From gotto at ameritech.net  Sun Oct  1 04:41:38 2006
From: gotto at ameritech.net (Gloria Otto)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 20:41:38 -0500
Subject: [TI] termini deaths after 1920 - Josie
In-Reply-To: <001f01c6e434$d6082c50$6501a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <000401c6e4fa$bcbce210$138afea9@D37FZK21>

Hi Josie
I would love to hear more about your trip to Montemaggiore Belsito. My
grandfather's sister was born there but other siblings were born in Cerda
which is were the Grillo ancestors have lived for a long time. My
grandfather Francesco Gugliuzza was born in Cerda but we have no idea where
his father was born. I am wondering if it could have been in Montemaggiore.

Gloria

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Josie Daly
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 8:05 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] termini deaths after 1920 - To Kathy

I was in Montemaggiore Belsito, Sicily last October/November and was 
promised some documents by the attendant in the courthouse.  I tried to give

her some money to pay for the documents and postage and she refused.  I 
waited and then about 5 months later I received everything that she promised

she would send and no bill for any of it.  Josie Mesi Daly
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kathy Kirkpatrick" <gentracer at gentracer.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] termini deaths after 1920 - To Kathy


> It's been years since I received a document with a bill. Usually they send
> the bill and then the document.
>
> Kathy Kirkpatrick
> GenTracer
> PO Box 11955
> Salt Lake City, UT 84147
> 801 755 6991
> www.gentracer.com
> gentracer at gentracer.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Melanie Holtz" <melanie_holtz at hotmail.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] termini deaths after 1920 - To Kathy
>
>
>> Kathy,
>>
>> I had sent a request for my ggrandfather's military records to the
>> appropriate place [I can't remember the address off-hand, he was from
>> Termini but I can't remember if the address was in Termini or Palermo]
> about
>> six months ago but I go no response.  Do you usually send some money with
>> your requests?  I have read several things that said to send money after
> you
>> receive the record.
>>
>> Any advice on mail correspondence would be appreciated.
>>
>> Melanie
>>
>>
>>
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From ltedesco26 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  2 01:19:24 2006
From: ltedesco26 at yahoo.com (Larie Tedesco)
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 15:19:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Corpora
Message-ID: <20061001221924.61057.qmail@web36214.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wasn't there some Corpora's in the database.  I can't
find them or it is spelled differently?

Thanks,
Larie



From anniegoe at fyi.net  Tue Oct  3 00:26:23 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:26:23 -0400
Subject: [TI] Will be welcoming our fellow TI members back
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.67$.005101c6e669$69db92b0$459a50ce@DJZBSK81>

To the Termini Travelers.
I hope you are all well.
Can't wait to hear about your trip after you wind down.
I got back from my vacation with a sinus infection on Thru.
I will be attending a reunion 11/12 when Diane Partain comes with her 90 
year old Mother.  Sara is packing and baking cookies.
Five Cacicia/Gacicia's  came out from Termini.
There are three left from Maria, Gaetana, Giuseppe, Pietro and Giovanni.
Who are Sara, my Aunt Marie and Margie.
And we are all the Grandchildren from the five who will be attending the get 
together.
We hope to get Jerry with his box of Termini pictures that I saw 2 years 
ago.
God Bless the ones traveling back!
Ann Riggio 




From anniegoe at fyi.net  Tue Oct  3 00:36:43 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:36:43 -0400
Subject: [TI] Will be welcoming our fellow TI members back
References: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.67$.005101c6e669$69db92b0$459a50ce@DJZBSK81>
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.153.76$.006301c6e66a$dbb45bf0$459a50ce@DJZBSK81>

Sorry reunion date is 10/12.  My error.
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "anniegoe" <anniegoe at fyi.net>
To: "Termini Termini" <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 5:26 PM
Subject: [TI] Will be welcoming our fellow TI members back


> To the Termini Travelers.
> I hope you are all well.
> Can't wait to hear about your trip after you wind down.
> I got back from my vacation with a sinus infection on Thru.
> I will be attending a reunion 11/12 when Diane Partain comes with her 90
> year old Mother.  Sara is packing and baking cookies.
> Five Cacicia/Gacicia's  came out from Termini.
> There are three left from Maria, Gaetana, Giuseppe, Pietro and Giovanni.
> Who are Sara, my Aunt Marie and Margie.
> And we are all the Grandchildren from the five who will be attending the 
> get
> together.
> We hope to get Jerry with his box of Termini pictures that I saw 2 years
> ago.
> God Bless the ones traveling back!
> Ann Riggio
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>
> 




From erinsmom at gmail.com  Tue Oct  3 02:47:41 2006
From: erinsmom at gmail.com (erinsmom)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:47:41 -0500
Subject: [TI] Will be welcoming our fellow TI members back
In-Reply-To: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.153.76$.006301c6e66a$dbb45bf0$459a50ce@DJZBSK81>
References: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.67$.005101c6e669$69db92b0$459a50ce@DJZBSK81>
	<anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.153.76$.006301c6e66a$dbb45bf0$459a50ce@DJZBSK81>
Message-ID: <135790bb0610021647s5e7d6781s376111cde67aff6a@mail.gmail.com>

Annie,
Have a great time. Please do me a favor when you are at the reunion.
See if anyone knows my grandparent's families -- since they were all
from Termini, maybe someone knows of them.
Thank you.
Franciene

On 10/2/06, anniegoe <anniegoe at fyi.net> wrote:
> Sorry reunion date is 10/12.  My error.
> Ann
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "anniegoe" <anniegoe at fyi.net>
> To: "Termini Termini" <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 5:26 PM
> Subject: [TI] Will be welcoming our fellow TI members back
>
>
> > To the Termini Travelers.
> > I hope you are all well.
> > Can't wait to hear about your trip after you wind down.
> > I got back from my vacation with a sinus infection on Thru.
> > I will be attending a reunion 11/12 when Diane Partain comes with her 90
> > year old Mother.  Sara is packing and baking cookies.
> > Five Cacicia/Gacicia's  came out from Termini.
> > There are three left from Maria, Gaetana, Giuseppe, Pietro and Giovanni.
> > Who are Sara, my Aunt Marie and Margie.
> > And we are all the Grandchildren from the five who will be attending the
> > get
> > together.
> > We hope to get Jerry with his box of Termini pictures that I saw 2 years
> > ago.
> > God Bless the ones traveling back!
> > Ann Riggio
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TerminiImerese mailing list
> > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> >
> >
>
>
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From gotto at ameritech.net  Tue Oct  3 04:22:52 2006
From: gotto at ameritech.net (Gloria Otto)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:22:52 -0500
Subject: [TI] Will be welcoming our fellow TI members back
In-Reply-To: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.67$.005101c6e669$69db92b0$459a50ce@DJZBSK81>
Message-ID: <002b01c6e68a$7586c640$138afea9@D37FZK21>

Hi Ann
I also hope all are well in Termini. We were very healthy when we went the
same time of year in 2002. Hope it is the same for them. The fresh air,
sunshine, and easy pace may help. We didn't see anyone sick in TI. Sorry to
hear you got sick. I think I'll get my flu shot before we go to AZ...

Your Reunion sounds very exciting. How nice that all the grandkids could get
together. Have a wonderful time. Are you talking about Jerry Serrino?
I'll send you my picture of my grandfather and his cousin in that macho
picture of them in their wrestling clothes or long johns (waist up)or what
ever they are. Maybe some of your older relatives can tell us if they really
are wrestling clothes.
Gloria

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of anniegoe
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:26 PM
To: Termini Termini
Subject: [TI] Will be welcoming our fellow TI members back

To the Termini Travelers.
I hope you are all well.
Can't wait to hear about your trip after you wind down.
I got back from my vacation with a sinus infection on Thru.
I will be attending a reunion 11/12 when Diane Partain comes with her 90 
year old Mother.  Sara is packing and baking cookies.
Five Cacicia/Gacicia's  came out from Termini.
There are three left from Maria, Gaetana, Giuseppe, Pietro and Giovanni.
Who are Sara, my Aunt Marie and Margie.
And we are all the Grandchildren from the five who will be attending the get

together.
We hope to get Jerry with his box of Termini pictures that I saw 2 years 
ago.
God Bless the ones traveling back!
Ann Riggio 


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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Tue Oct  3 15:57:10 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:57:10 -0400
Subject: [TI] Will be welcoming our fellow TI members back
References: <002b01c6e68a$7586c640$138afea9@D37FZK21>
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.85$.002c01c6e6eb$826fdcf0$559a50ce@DJZBSK81>

No that Jerry.  He has no connection with the Gacicia/Cacicia family.
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gloria Otto" <gotto at ameritech.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Will be welcoming our fellow TI members back


> Hi Ann
> I also hope all are well in Termini. We were very healthy when we went the
> same time of year in 2002. Hope it is the same for them. The fresh air,
> sunshine, and easy pace may help. We didn't see anyone sick in TI. Sorry 
> to
> hear you got sick. I think I'll get my flu shot before we go to AZ...
>
> Your Reunion sounds very exciting. How nice that all the grandkids could 
> get
> together. Have a wonderful time. Are you talking about Jerry Serrino?
> I'll send you my picture of my grandfather and his cousin in that macho
> picture of them in their wrestling clothes or long johns (waist up)or what
> ever they are. Maybe some of your older relatives can tell us if they 
> really
> are wrestling clothes.
> Gloria
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of anniegoe
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:26 PM
> To: Termini Termini
> Subject: [TI] Will be welcoming our fellow TI members back
>
> To the Termini Travelers.
> I hope you are all well.
> Can't wait to hear about your trip after you wind down.
> I got back from my vacation with a sinus infection on Thru.
> I will be attending a reunion 11/12 when Diane Partain comes with her 90
> year old Mother.  Sara is packing and baking cookies.
> Five Cacicia/Gacicia's  came out from Termini.
> There are three left from Maria, Gaetana, Giuseppe, Pietro and Giovanni.
> Who are Sara, my Aunt Marie and Margie.
> And we are all the Grandchildren from the five who will be attending the 
> get
>
> together.
> We hope to get Jerry with his box of Termini pictures that I saw 2 years
> ago.
> God Bless the ones traveling back!
> Ann Riggio
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>
>
>
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From mygirl at ctc.net  Tue Oct  3 16:27:23 2006
From: mygirl at ctc.net (Rosalie)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:27:23 -0400
Subject: [TI] Family History Center documents on the internet
Message-ID: <005101c6e6ef$a9a03960$6400a8c0@Rosalie>

http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650194998,00.html
Rosalie Amison




From beast63785 at ameritech.net  Tue Oct  3 17:55:55 2006
From: beast63785 at ameritech.net (beast63785 at ameritech.net)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 07:55:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Family History Center documents on the internet
In-Reply-To: <005101c6e6ef$a9a03960$6400a8c0@Rosalie>
Message-ID: <20061003145555.84183.qmail@web81013.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Rosalie,
 
Thank you for posting the website about the LDS.  I can't wait for that project to get up.  And to everyone who went to Termini to work on getting more records for the website Thank you so much.  I know it is alot of work to do and is greatly appreciated.  I dont know what I would do with out this site.  I wish there was one for Cesaro and Messina too.  Maybe increasing the price of membership would help with cost.  I know I would gladly pay it.
 
Tami Leanza


----- Original Message ----
From: Rosalie <mygirl at ctc.net>
To: Termini <Terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2006 9:27:23 AM
Subject: [TI] Family History Center documents on the internet


http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650194998,00.html
Rosalie Amison


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From ltedesco26 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  4 14:05:43 2006
From: ltedesco26 at yahoo.com (Larie Tedesco)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:05:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Old and Future Calendars
Message-ID: <20061004110543.61289.qmail@web36214.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Years 1582 thru 3000

http://www.hf.rim.or.jp/~kaji/cal/index.html



From SReif1956 at comcast.net  Thu Oct  5 04:42:01 2006
From: SReif1956 at comcast.net (SReif1956 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:42:01 +0000
Subject: [TI] Book about Chicago Mount Carmel and Queen of Heaven
	Cemeteries
Message-ID: <100520060142.10972.452462E90008DF1800002ADC2207000953C0CAC7CE00070AADAC@comcast.net>

Gloria, Ihave this book, and it is great....btw, I'm back from Sicily!!!! wonderful time had by all. too tired to tell all the tales now, but later...........
Sharon
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Gloria Otto" <gotto at ameritech.net>
> Looks like a very interesting read. Thought you might be interested. The
> following are notes from Chicago Tony Lascio chapter of PIP. Hope the rest
> of the book is as good as the back cover.
> 
> "A highlight of the meeting was the publication announcement by Jenny
> Floro-Khalaf of her book (with Cynthia Savaglio) about individuals and
> families buried in two Chicago suburban Catholic burial grounds: Mount
> Carmel and Queen of Heaven Cemeteries, published by Arcadia in their Images
> of America Series. The book contains photos and captions of tombstones and
> crypts, with emphasis on Italian families. Particularly interesting was the
> discussion about the transition over the past century of funeral procession
> via horse and buggy, to trains, and then to automobiles. Jenny had only one
> copy of the book with her, but promised to bring more to our next meeting.
>             The book is available from Amazon.com, and here is a description
> taken from the back cover:
> >From the heartbreak of dozens of families burying their children after the
> notorious Our Lady of Angels School Fire to the serenity of a grieving
> mother, who six years after the death of her daughter finds her wedding-clad
> body in peaceful repose; from the lawlessness of the bootleg era, punctuated
> by such ignominious figures as Al Capone and Dean O'Banion, to the patriotic
> triumph of one of the flag bearers of Iwo Jima, Mount Carmel and Queen of
> Heaven Cemeteries have provided the final chapter in the colorful lives and
> tragic events that have marked the city of Chicago for the last century. It
> denotes the final resting place of the churches' bishops and cardinals as
> well as the city's beloved parents, grandparents, and children. Mount Carmel
> and Queen of Heaven Cemeteries offers a unique glimpse into the history of
> Chicago during a time that saw massive immigration, rising
> industrialization, two world wars, and numerous tragedies, by chronicling
> the lives and stories behind the individuals who are interred there. Author
> Jenny Floro-Khalaf is a family historian and genealogist who is the creator
> and webmaster for ItalianAncestry.com. Cynthia Savaglio is a screenwriter
> and documentary filmmaker who teaches at Ithaca College in Ithaca, New York.
> The Images of America series celebrates the history of neighborhoods, towns,
> and cities across the country. Using archival photographs, each title
> presents the distinctive stories from the past that shape the character of
> the community today. Arcadia is proud to play a part in the preservation of
> local heritage, making history available to all
> 
> Gloria
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From corielind at msn.com  Thu Oct  5 06:42:34 2006
From: corielind at msn.com (Corie Lindemann)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:42:34 -0500
Subject: [TI] Amazing TI trip
References: <20061004110543.61289.qmail@web36214.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-DAV120F405F1BDBE3932AD965B8120@phx.gbl>


Well gang, it was an amazing reunion in Termini Imerese! Certainly not 
without glitches, but overall, I had a wonderful time walking the streets 
(and ooohhhh the steps) our forefathers walked. Many of us found ancestral 
homes and some even found relatives or possible relatives. A group took 
digital pics of the cemetery records from about 1910-1940 (dates could be 
off -- Paul Caito will confirm). We took photos of stones for a good part of 
the cemetery. We toured the duomo, which was amazing. I got to see and touch 
the baptismal fount where my great grandmother was baptized in the 1860s. It 
gave me a much better sense of how our ancestors lived.
Many images will stick with me for a long time -- the view from the rooftop 
of the hotel, looking out over the sea from the Belvedere, the narrow 
streets of steps winding up the hills, the people shouting at each other 
from the balconies across the skinny streets, the fish market, the crazy 
drivers, the gelato and cannolis, but especially the little man selling 
flowers in front of the cemetery, when we talked about our families and he 
pointed to us and smiled and said in very broken English: "You Termitani, 
si! You Termitani!!!" That just sent chills up my spine! Si, mi 
Termitani!!!!
I'm sure Laura will get the stories and the photos posted when she recovers. 
(I left her looking for baggage at O'Hare customs a few hours ago!) But I 
wanted to give you all an update. Much more to come!!!!

Ciao,
Corie 




From pjcaito at frontiernet.net  Thu Oct  5 16:40:16 2006
From: pjcaito at frontiernet.net (Paul  J. Caito)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:40:16 -0400
Subject: [TI] Amazing TI trip
References: <20061004110543.61289.qmail@web36214.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BAY108-DAV120F405F1BDBE3932AD965B8120@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00c101c6e883$cc2870c0$6401a8c0@frontiernet.net>

I got home in one piece at 11 PM (EDT) on Wednesday and PROMPTLY went
to be after being up for 23 hours of traveling.  Fortunately, no
travel glitches - even my suitcase made it.  Now that I've had some
rest it's off to work in another two hours.  Will write more later
tonight.  What an amazing trip!

The Cemetery records were digitally photographed from 1911 to 1971.

Oh, one last thing - just remember that NEXT years' reunion is in
Rochester, NY - probably the third or fourth weekend in September as
per our usual schedule.

Paul Caito
Rochester, NY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:42 PM
Subject: [TI] Amazing TI trip


>
> Well gang, it was an amazing reunion in Termini Imerese! Certainly
not
> without glitches, but overall, I had a wonderful time walking the
streets
> (and ooohhhh the steps) our forefathers walked. Many of us found
ancestral
> homes and some even found relatives or possible relatives. A group
took
> digital pics of the cemetery records from about 1910-1940 (dates
could be
> off -- Paul Caito will confirm). We took photos of stones for a good
part of
> the cemetery. We toured the duomo, which was amazing. I got to see
and touch
> the baptismal fount where my great grandmother was baptized in the
1860s. It
> gave me a much better sense of how our ancestors lived.
> Many images will stick with me for a long time -- the view from the
rooftop
> of the hotel, looking out over the sea from the Belvedere, the
narrow
> streets of steps winding up the hills, the people shouting at each
other
> from the balconies across the skinny streets, the fish market, the
crazy
> drivers, the gelato and cannolis, but especially the little man
selling
> flowers in front of the cemetery, when we talked about our families
and he
> pointed to us and smiled and said in very broken English: "You
Termitani,
> si! You Termitani!!!" That just sent chills up my spine! Si, mi
> Termitani!!!!
> I'm sure Laura will get the stories and the photos posted when she
recovers.
> (I left her looking for baggage at O'Hare customs a few hours ago!)
But I
> wanted to give you all an update. Much more to come!!!!
>
> Ciao,
> Corie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofita
ly.org
>




From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Thu Oct  5 16:52:54 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 08:52:54 -0500
Subject: [TI] Amazing TI trip
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-DAV120F405F1BDBE3932AD965B8120@phx.gbl>
References: <20061004110543.61289.qmail@web36214.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BAY108-DAV120F405F1BDBE3932AD965B8120@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <45250E36.4080105@madisontelco.com>

I didn't get in until late last night.  I missed the flight from Chicago 
to St Louis and got in much later than what I had hoped to get 
in..........then my suitcase wasn't on that flight.  The airport called 
about 3:30 this morning and they delivered it about 5 this morning.

Corie Lindemann wrote:

>Well gang, it was an amazing reunion in Termini Imerese! Certainly not 
>without glitches, but overall, I had a wonderful time walking the streets 
>(and ooohhhh the steps) our forefathers walked. Many of us found ancestral 
>homes and some even found relatives or possible relatives. A group took 
>digital pics of the cemetery records from about 1910-1940 (dates could be 
>off -- Paul Caito will confirm). We took photos of stones for a good part of 
>the cemetery. We toured the duomo, which was amazing. I got to see and touch 
>the baptismal fount where my great grandmother was baptized in the 1860s. It 
>gave me a much better sense of how our ancestors lived.
>Many images will stick with me for a long time -- the view from the rooftop 
>of the hotel, looking out over the sea from the Belvedere, the narrow 
>streets of steps winding up the hills, the people shouting at each other 
>from the balconies across the skinny streets, the fish market, the crazy 
>drivers, the gelato and cannolis, but especially the little man selling 
>flowers in front of the cemetery, when we talked about our families and he 
>pointed to us and smiled and said in very broken English: "You Termitani, 
>si! You Termitani!!!" That just sent chills up my spine! Si, mi 
>Termitani!!!!
>I'm sure Laura will get the stories and the photos posted when she recovers. 
>(I left her looking for baggage at O'Hare customs a few hours ago!) But I 
>wanted to give you all an update. Much more to come!!!!
>
>Ciao,
>Corie 
>
>
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>
>
>  
>



From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Thu Oct  5 17:11:23 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 09:11:23 -0500
Subject: [TI] Update on the Duomo
In-Reply-To: <45250E36.4080105@madisontelco.com>
References: <20061004110543.61289.qmail@web36214.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<BAY108-DAV120F405F1BDBE3932AD965B8120@phx.gbl>
	<45250E36.4080105@madisontelco.com>
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We were not able to digitally film the records at the Duomo.

Father Anfuso gave us a wonderful tour of the Duomo along with Mario Galioto.  Father Anfuso explained that they are planning on digitally filming the records at the Duomo and put them online.  He said he hoped that the project would be completed in the next 2-3 years and would prefer not to have anyone but the two archivists there do any lookups because they are badly deteriorating.  Father Anfuso also gave permission to Mario to do any lookups that we want.

Mario has agreed to do these lookups via email thru him.  I am to send him 10 at a time to do and he will send the results back to me and then I can forward them on to the person who requested them.  I have a list of about 100 at this point.  I will work down the list on the order that they were given to me and when I get low on those requests, I will ask for more.




From nellie at woh.rr.com  Thu Oct  5 18:38:43 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:38:43 -0400
Subject: [TI] Update on the Duomo
References: <20061004110543.61289.qmail@web36214.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BAY108-DAV120F405F1BDBE3932AD965B8120@phx.gbl>
	<45250E36.4080105@madisontelco.com>
	<4525128B.6030100@madisontelco.com>
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I find the fact that they want to put the records online absolutely 
fascinating!  Would this be only baptismal records?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laura Johnson" <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 10:11 AM
Subject: [TI] Update on the Duomo


> We were not able to digitally film the records at the Duomo.
>
> Father Anfuso gave us a wonderful tour of the Duomo along with Mario 
> Galioto.  Father Anfuso explained that they are planning on digitally 
> filming the records at the Duomo and put them online.  He said he hoped 
> that the project would be completed in the next 2-3 years and would prefer 
> not to have anyone but the two archivists there do any lookups because 
> they are badly deteriorating.  Father Anfuso also gave permission to Mario 
> to do any lookups that we want.
>
> Mario has agreed to do these lookups via email thru him.  I am to send him 
> 10 at a time to do and he will send the results back to me and then I can 
> forward them on to the person who requested them.  I have a list of about 
> 100 at this point.  I will work down the list on the order that they were 
> given to me and when I get low on those requests, I will ask for more.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> 





From tskibiski at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  5 22:52:47 2006
From: tskibiski at yahoo.com (Terry Skibiski)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 12:52:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] getting home
Message-ID: <20061005195247.82494.qmail@web35413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm glad some people got home from Italy with no
problems.  I not only missed my flight (due to
multiple mis-information from Alitalia), but had to
spend the night in the Airport, and then purchase a
new ticket in order to get home.  But the trip was a
truly uplifting, spiritual experience.  I hope those
who didn't go this time will get an opportunity to
experience it sometime.  I will write more later
regarding the cemetery project.

Terry  

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From SReif1956 at comcast.net  Thu Oct  5 23:05:56 2006
From: SReif1956 at comcast.net (SReif1956 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:05:56 +0000
Subject: [TI] A brief laugh about the hotel in Termini
Message-ID: <100520062005.25301.452565A400078CFE000062D52207300793C0CAC7CE00070AADAC@comcast.net>

We all got to experience the "soup nazi", aka the wine waiter in a white jacket.

The also experienced the absence of butter at a few meals....burra fini!!! No burra for you!!!! What a scream.  And rolls that seemed to get more stale as each day passed by.  I plan to make the chicken with eggplant slice and cheese/sauce topping.  It was very good.  It is good not to get charged for water....3 euro!

Termini has an in-house stairmaster.....the 99 steps from bassa to alta.  My thighs are pretty tight right now.  It is better than using the Buns of Steel video workout. A great cardio workout every day.

The gelato was to die for...I highly recommend the Ciambella flavor.  The price on the gelato got a little more expensive everyday.  I guess they realized the Americani were in town.

Thank goodness for electronics stores.  I needed to buy a new digital camera after I let my go bouncing across the stone alleyway when I met the Busalacchi kin who is now living in what was my Pitti great grandparents home.  What a surprise.

And the tour guide we had in Agrigento...WOW.  Those of you ladies who are single...have I got a man for you!  Vittorio Palermo was his name, and I took photos of his good side, his better side and his best side!  He was so cute. He had my attention the entire time of the tour.

The cemtery was a "don't miss" part of the trip.  Found some family names and made me feel like I was truly a part of the Termini community.

I did not study my Italian enough, I guess, or those Sicilians need to slow down their speech.  However, I did get by.  

I'll let someone else chime in on their experiences.  Toodles.

Sharon




From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Fri Oct  6 12:42:29 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:42:29 -0500
Subject: [TI] My trip
In-Reply-To: <100520062005.25301.452565A400078CFE000062D52207300793C0CAC7CE00070AADAC@comcast.net>
References: <100520062005.25301.452565A400078CFE000062D52207300793C0CAC7CE00070AADAC@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <45262505.202@madisontelco.com>

Leaving from St Louis wasn't a problem.  We were at JFK in plenty of 
time to catch our next flight.  We took off from JFK only to be turned 
back to land again after 45 minutes since there was a computer chip that 
was malfunctioning.  With this, I knew that my cousin Kim and her cousin 
Joe and I would not make our connecting flights to Palermo. 

The people at JFK were very kind and redid our flights for us to 
Palermo.  But due to the 4 hour delay, we didn't arrive in time to make 
that flight.  By the time we got thru getting our passports checked in 
Rome and then out of that building to the Terminal we needed to be in, 
they were already boarding the flight we were supposed to take and we 
didn't have time to get to the flight.  Alitalia rebooked us on the next 
flight out an hour later but we were too late to catch the bus to the 
hotel in Termini Imerese.  Riccarda Mescola had called the hotel to tell 
them we would be late and they told her to tell us to wait for the 6pm 
bus from the hotel.

But we were tired and wanted to get to the hotel and the idea of waiting 
another 3 hours for the bus was a bit too much.  Another couple came in 
on the same flight as us and they wanted to go by train so we got our 
first experience with the trains in Sicily.  First we had to get the one 
from the airport to Palermo Centrale which was easy.  Then we had to 
hurry to catch the next train to Termini Imerese.  The lines for tickets 
took so long and we only had 10 minutes to walk back to the train to 
board hauling all of our luggage with us.  But we made it.  Once we got 
in TI, we had to walk to the hotel.  Luckily there were signs pointing 
the way to the Grande Hotel della Terme and we made the walk fairly fast 
dodging the traffic most of the way.

Once we arrived at the hotel, we checked into our rooms and then went 
downstairs to the lobby and met a few others from our group.  We went up 
to the rooftop of the hotel and took some pictures and then went down 
for dinner.  The rest of our group arrived while we were at dinner.

Wednesday morning, we ate breakfast and then walked up to the top of the 
town to meet at the Duomo di San Nicola di Bari.  We had an appointment 
to tour the Duomo at 9 AM but that was cancelled until 3:15 that 
afternoon.  So a few of us walked over to the mayor's office and 
received a greeting from the Mayor, Enzo Giunta, himself.  He told us 
about Termini Imerese and allowed us to take some pictures of the inside 
of one of the meeting rooms.  He gave each of us a book about Termini 
Imerese and another about a famous painter from TI who had done some of 
the paintings in the mayor's office.  He signed a book that he had 
written that someone else had brought back to me a couple of years ago.

After the visit with the mayor, Jim and Elaine Corso and I walked around 
the Belvedere and took some pictures of the coast.  Then we walked 
through the old stone gates out to the cemetery.  After looking around there for a bit, we walked back to the Piazza del Duomo and found a little bar to eat lunch at.  We walked around a bit more and then it was time to go back to the Duomo for our tour.  Mario Galioto, Father Delisi's cousin, came back to take us 
through the tour of the Duomo.  Father Anfuso joined us for the tour and 
showed us many things about the Duomo.  After the tour, he took us into 
one of the back rooms and showed us pictures of all of the priests that 
have served at the Duomo since the 1400's.

I was able to talk with Father Anfuso about filming the records at the 
Duomo and he assured me that they are going to digitally film them in 
the near future.  But he also said that Mario Galioto could access the 
records and do lookups for us.

After the tour, we wandered around in small groups.  We stopped and had 
a gelato before we walked down Via Roma which is also known as the 
street of 99 steps.  Halfway down, we stopped and talked to some small 
children who tried their english out on us.  They saw us coming down and 
started yelling out to us - Hallo, Hallo.  We stopped and talked and 
they told us they were 7 and 8 and 9 years old.  Then we left and went 
back to the hotel to get ready for dinner.

Friday morning after breakfast, we headed back up to the cemetery to do 
some more filming of the burial records.  Paul Caito did a wonderful job 
and we were able to get those filmed from 1910 thru 1971.  Terry 
Skibiski worked on filming tombstones (see Monday for more about this).  
Then we headed back to the Piazza del Duomo and had lunch at the same 
little bar.  We walked around the Belvedere and took some more 
pictures.  Then wandered our way back down toward the hotel.  We stopped 
along the way and found the two streets where my great-grandparents were 
born and I took some pictures of the houses.  We wandered back down some 
more and found an internet cafe and I sent a couple of emails.

Later, Paul Caito and I walked out again looking for the streets for his 
relatives.   We found theirs and meandered our way along toward the 
church where his cousins had been married in 1954.  We arrived in time 
to see the end of a wedding and took some pictures of the bride and 
groom.  After the wedding was over, we walked up and into the church.  
The priest tried to talk to us but we could only make out a few words 
now and then.  One of the people in the back of the church spoke a 
little english and we managed to understand that he wanted us to come 
back on Sunday for Mass and that there was a First Communion that 
Sunday.  On the wall in the back of the church were the banns posted for 
the marriage that had just taken place.  Paul and I then headed back up to where my great-grandparents homes were and he took some pictures of me standing outside of them. We headed back to the hotel for dinner.

Saturday morning, Jim and Elaine Corso, Paul Caito and I took the train 
to Cefalu'.  We walked down the main street toward the Duomo there to 
arrive in time to see another wedding party coming out of the church.  
We watched them release the white doves and do their first toast at the 
foot of the stairs in front of the Duomo and then watched them have 
pictures taken around the Piazza by the Duomo.  We then walked further 
down the street to see if we could get down to the beach area but found 
an adorable little restaurant.  We ate lunch there at the outdoor area 
and watched the ships and the sea while we ate.  We walked back up to 
catch the train and did a bit of souvenir shopping, then caught the 
train back to Termini.

Sunday morning, Paul Caito and I went to mass at the church where we had 
been invited.  After the mass, this lady walked up to us who could speak 
english.  She helped us talk to the priest and explain about Paul's 
cousins being married there in 1954.  The priest went and got the book 
and he looked up the marriage.  He let us take digital photos of it and 
then proceeded to photocopy the document and put the official seal on it 
for Paul.  We started to walk back to the hotel and the one lady told us 
she knew people with those last names and took us around a bit to meet 
them.  Then she wanted to take us to one more place but I needed to get 
back to the hotel so I could join the other group that were going to the 
Duomo for mass as noon. 

As we were leaving the hotel, Paul came back to tell us he was to go 
back later to meet this other family - turns out it was the brother to 
the one who was on the marriage document and that the sister of these 
two men lived right next door.  So he had a good afternoon learning 
about his family there.

We walked back up to the Duomo.  When we reached the piazza, there was a marathon race going on that was sponsored by Fiat. We watched part of that and then went to Mass.  After Mass, we then walked out to the cemetery to do some 
filming of the tombstones but the cemetery was closing so we walked back 
to the Duomo area and had lunch.  Then we walked around a bit more, had 
a gelato and then walked back down to the hotel.  I took a short nap and 
then went down to dinner.

Monday morning, we set out for the stato civile but got turned around 
and ended up out of the way from it.  We finally managed to make someone 
understand where we wanted to go and we finally made it there.  Signora 
Angela Cardella rules the roost there and she did some lookups for us.  
She found the birth document for a baby in my tree that had died at the 
age of 3.  The births for first 10 months of 1842 were not filmed so I 
was glad to be able to finally get this birth document.  She let me digitally 
film the document but then created an official extract of it as well.  
As we were getting ready to leave several more people came in but they 
didn't get any of their requests at that time.  She had spent more than 
an hour with us.  

After we left the stato civile, we headed back to the cemetery.  We 
filmed some more tombstones and at 1 pm, the loud siren rang out.  We 
all assumed they were closing and we rushed to get out of there before 
we were locked in.  We then meandered back to the piazza by the Duomo 
and had lunch and then walked around a bit more, then walked back down 
the 99 steps on Via Roma.

Monday night was our gala dinner.  About halfway thru the dinner, Mario 
Galioto showed up to wish us all a safe trip home.  After the dinner, we 
went upstairs to the rooftop of the hotel and partied until about 
midnight.  There were a few who stayed later but some of us were too tired.

Due to a mixup in scheduling our group at the hotel, Tuesday morning, 14 rooms were being transferred to another hotel in Trabia so we had to get ready to leave for there.  Breakfast was a time of goodbyes for those of us who were leaving to go to the other hotel or to a hotel in Palermo.  

Finally, we got all of the stuff loaded on the bus and headed over to Trabia.  We walked up into the town and looked around a bit.  We went into a supermercato and bought a couple of things, sat in the piazza for a bit, then headed back down toward the hotel.  We stopped at a little restaurant across the street from the hotel and had lunch.  Then we went back to the hotel and meadered around by the beach and/or took naps at the hotel.    We went to dinner in the dining room and they gave us a very nice meal.  We all went to bed pretty early.  Some of us had very early transportation calls for the airport (mine was at 5:15am).  Elouise, my roommate had to get up at 3 am to get her transfer to the airport. 

Wednesday morning was a time of goodbyes.  We arrived at the airport.  I 
had a 2.5 hour wait for my plane but things went smoothly flying to 
Rome.  Finding my way around the Rome airport by myself was a trip.  I 
wasn't sure I would get to my plane in time but finally I did get to the gate about 15  minutes before the boarding time.  The take-off was fine but once we got over the Atlantic we got into a bit of turbulence and had a rough ride 
at times.

Arriving at Chicago was a nightmare.  First thru passport check, then 
claim our bags and then thru customs.  Then a tram to another terminal 
to find United Airlines, get my boarding pass then rush on another tram 
to get to the correct terminal where the gate was.   Then I had to go 
back thru security again since I had left the terminal where I came in.  
The lines were terribly long.  When I got the gate, the doors were 
closed to the plane.  I pushed the button and was told to find a person 
at one of the gates to help me.  I thought I was going to miss the 
flight but she called and told them I was ready and they opened the door 
and let me board the plane.

Once I landed in St Louis, they told us our baggage would be on carousel 
6.  I waited and waited and waited for mine to appear for about 45 
minutes.  Finally, I found where I had to go to report that it didn't 
arrive.  They told me it would be coming in on a plane that would arrive 
about 10 pm.  I told them I couldn't wait that long and they got my 
address at home and told me it would be delivered the next morning.  And I 
finally left for home.  I got home about 7:45pm.  We went to bed about 9 
that night - I was exhausted.  About 12:30 this morning Ray said the phone rang (I didn't hear it) and it was the airport asking for directions on how to get to 
our house.

I got up at 5 am and was coming out of the bathroom and heard 
a noise outside and then a car door slamming.  I didn't think anything 
of it but when I took Cujo (our little dog) outside at 6, my bag was sitting on the porch.

It was a wonderful trip but much too short.  I am ready to go back.  There is still so much to see of Termini Imerese that I didn't see.




From nellie at woh.rr.com  Fri Oct  6 13:30:03 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 06:30:03 -0400
Subject: [TI] My trip
References: <100520062005.25301.452565A400078CFE000062D52207300793C0CAC7CE00070AADAC@comcast.net>
	<45262505.202@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <000901c6e932$63044a60$6401a8c0@momshp>

Sounds like a delightful whirlwind trip!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laura Johnson" <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:42 AM
Subject: [TI] My trip


> Leaving from St Louis wasn't a problem.  We were at JFK in plenty of
> time to catch our next flight.  We took off from JFK only to be turned
> back to land again after 45 minutes since there was a computer chip that
> was malfunctioning.  With this, I knew that my cousin Kim and her cousin
> Joe and I would not make our connecting flights to Palermo.
>
> The people at JFK were very kind and redid our flights for us to
> Palermo.  But due to the 4 hour delay, we didn't arrive in time to make
> that flight.  By the time we got thru getting our passports checked in
> Rome and then out of that building to the Terminal we needed to be in,
> they were already boarding the flight we were supposed to take and we
> didn't have time to get to the flight.  Alitalia rebooked us on the next
> flight out an hour later but we were too late to catch the bus to the
> hotel in Termini Imerese.  Riccarda Mescola had called the hotel to tell
> them we would be late and they told her to tell us to wait for the 6pm
> bus from the hotel.
>
> But we were tired and wanted to get to the hotel and the idea of waiting
> another 3 hours for the bus was a bit too much.  Another couple came in
> on the same flight as us and they wanted to go by train so we got our
> first experience with the trains in Sicily.  First we had to get the one
> from the airport to Palermo Centrale which was easy.  Then we had to
> hurry to catch the next train to Termini Imerese.  The lines for tickets
> took so long and we only had 10 minutes to walk back to the train to
> board hauling all of our luggage with us.  But we made it.  Once we got
> in TI, we had to walk to the hotel.  Luckily there were signs pointing
> the way to the Grande Hotel della Terme and we made the walk fairly fast
> dodging the traffic most of the way.
>
> Once we arrived at the hotel, we checked into our rooms and then went
> downstairs to the lobby and met a few others from our group.  We went up
> to the rooftop of the hotel and took some pictures and then went down
> for dinner.  The rest of our group arrived while we were at dinner.
>
> Wednesday morning, we ate breakfast and then walked up to the top of the
> town to meet at the Duomo di San Nicola di Bari.  We had an appointment
> to tour the Duomo at 9 AM but that was cancelled until 3:15 that
> afternoon.  So a few of us walked over to the mayor's office and
> received a greeting from the Mayor, Enzo Giunta, himself.  He told us
> about Termini Imerese and allowed us to take some pictures of the inside
> of one of the meeting rooms.  He gave each of us a book about Termini
> Imerese and another about a famous painter from TI who had done some of
> the paintings in the mayor's office.  He signed a book that he had
> written that someone else had brought back to me a couple of years ago.
>
> After the visit with the mayor, Jim and Elaine Corso and I walked around
> the Belvedere and took some pictures of the coast.  Then we walked
> through the old stone gates out to the cemetery.  After looking around 
> there for a bit, we walked back to the Piazza del Duomo and found a little 
> bar to eat lunch at.  We walked around a bit more and then it was time to 
> go back to the Duomo for our tour.  Mario Galioto, Father Delisi's cousin, 
> came back to take us
> through the tour of the Duomo.  Father Anfuso joined us for the tour and
> showed us many things about the Duomo.  After the tour, he took us into
> one of the back rooms and showed us pictures of all of the priests that
> have served at the Duomo since the 1400's.
>
> I was able to talk with Father Anfuso about filming the records at the
> Duomo and he assured me that they are going to digitally film them in
> the near future.  But he also said that Mario Galioto could access the
> records and do lookups for us.
>
> After the tour, we wandered around in small groups.  We stopped and had
> a gelato before we walked down Via Roma which is also known as the
> street of 99 steps.  Halfway down, we stopped and talked to some small
> children who tried their english out on us.  They saw us coming down and
> started yelling out to us - Hallo, Hallo.  We stopped and talked and
> they told us they were 7 and 8 and 9 years old.  Then we left and went
> back to the hotel to get ready for dinner.
>
> Friday morning after breakfast, we headed back up to the cemetery to do
> some more filming of the burial records.  Paul Caito did a wonderful job
> and we were able to get those filmed from 1910 thru 1971.  Terry
> Skibiski worked on filming tombstones (see Monday for more about this).
> Then we headed back to the Piazza del Duomo and had lunch at the same
> little bar.  We walked around the Belvedere and took some more
> pictures.  Then wandered our way back down toward the hotel.  We stopped
> along the way and found the two streets where my great-grandparents were
> born and I took some pictures of the houses.  We wandered back down some
> more and found an internet cafe and I sent a couple of emails.
>
> Later, Paul Caito and I walked out again looking for the streets for his
> relatives.   We found theirs and meandered our way along toward the
> church where his cousins had been married in 1954.  We arrived in time
> to see the end of a wedding and took some pictures of the bride and
> groom.  After the wedding was over, we walked up and into the church.
> The priest tried to talk to us but we could only make out a few words
> now and then.  One of the people in the back of the church spoke a
> little english and we managed to understand that he wanted us to come
> back on Sunday for Mass and that there was a First Communion that
> Sunday.  On the wall in the back of the church were the banns posted for
> the marriage that had just taken place.  Paul and I then headed back up to 
> where my great-grandparents homes were and he took some pictures of me 
> standing outside of them. We headed back to the hotel for dinner.
>
> Saturday morning, Jim and Elaine Corso, Paul Caito and I took the train
> to Cefalu'.  We walked down the main street toward the Duomo there to
> arrive in time to see another wedding party coming out of the church.
> We watched them release the white doves and do their first toast at the
> foot of the stairs in front of the Duomo and then watched them have
> pictures taken around the Piazza by the Duomo.  We then walked further
> down the street to see if we could get down to the beach area but found
> an adorable little restaurant.  We ate lunch there at the outdoor area
> and watched the ships and the sea while we ate.  We walked back up to
> catch the train and did a bit of souvenir shopping, then caught the
> train back to Termini.
>
> Sunday morning, Paul Caito and I went to mass at the church where we had
> been invited.  After the mass, this lady walked up to us who could speak
> english.  She helped us talk to the priest and explain about Paul's
> cousins being married there in 1954.  The priest went and got the book
> and he looked up the marriage.  He let us take digital photos of it and
> then proceeded to photocopy the document and put the official seal on it
> for Paul.  We started to walk back to the hotel and the one lady told us
> she knew people with those last names and took us around a bit to meet
> them.  Then she wanted to take us to one more place but I needed to get
> back to the hotel so I could join the other group that were going to the
> Duomo for mass as noon.
>
> As we were leaving the hotel, Paul came back to tell us he was to go
> back later to meet this other family - turns out it was the brother to
> the one who was on the marriage document and that the sister of these
> two men lived right next door.  So he had a good afternoon learning
> about his family there.
>
> We walked back up to the Duomo.  When we reached the piazza, there was a 
> marathon race going on that was sponsored by Fiat. We watched part of that 
> and then went to Mass.  After Mass, we then walked out to the cemetery to 
> do some
> filming of the tombstones but the cemetery was closing so we walked back
> to the Duomo area and had lunch.  Then we walked around a bit more, had
> a gelato and then walked back down to the hotel.  I took a short nap and
> then went down to dinner.
>
> Monday morning, we set out for the stato civile but got turned around
> and ended up out of the way from it.  We finally managed to make someone
> understand where we wanted to go and we finally made it there.  Signora
> Angela Cardella rules the roost there and she did some lookups for us.
> She found the birth document for a baby in my tree that had died at the
> age of 3.  The births for first 10 months of 1842 were not filmed so I
> was glad to be able to finally get this birth document.  She let me 
> digitally
> film the document but then created an official extract of it as well.
> As we were getting ready to leave several more people came in but they
> didn't get any of their requests at that time.  She had spent more than
> an hour with us.
>
> After we left the stato civile, we headed back to the cemetery.  We
> filmed some more tombstones and at 1 pm, the loud siren rang out.  We
> all assumed they were closing and we rushed to get out of there before
> we were locked in.  We then meandered back to the piazza by the Duomo
> and had lunch and then walked around a bit more, then walked back down
> the 99 steps on Via Roma.
>
> Monday night was our gala dinner.  About halfway thru the dinner, Mario
> Galioto showed up to wish us all a safe trip home.  After the dinner, we
> went upstairs to the rooftop of the hotel and partied until about
> midnight.  There were a few who stayed later but some of us were too 
> tired.
>
> Due to a mixup in scheduling our group at the hotel, Tuesday morning, 14 
> rooms were being transferred to another hotel in Trabia so we had to get 
> ready to leave for there.  Breakfast was a time of goodbyes for those of 
> us who were leaving to go to the other hotel or to a hotel in Palermo.
>
> Finally, we got all of the stuff loaded on the bus and headed over to 
> Trabia.  We walked up into the town and looked around a bit.  We went into 
> a supermercato and bought a couple of things, sat in the piazza for a bit, 
> then headed back down toward the hotel.  We stopped at a little restaurant 
> across the street from the hotel and had lunch.  Then we went back to the 
> hotel and meadered around by the beach and/or took naps at the hotel. 
> We went to dinner in the dining room and they gave us a very nice meal. 
> We all went to bed pretty early.  Some of us had very early transportation 
> calls for the airport (mine was at 5:15am).  Elouise, my roommate had to 
> get up at 3 am to get her transfer to the airport.
>
> Wednesday morning was a time of goodbyes.  We arrived at the airport.  I
> had a 2.5 hour wait for my plane but things went smoothly flying to
> Rome.  Finding my way around the Rome airport by myself was a trip.  I
> wasn't sure I would get to my plane in time but finally I did get to the 
> gate about 15  minutes before the boarding time.  The take-off was fine 
> but once we got over the Atlantic we got into a bit of turbulence and had 
> a rough ride
> at times.
>
> Arriving at Chicago was a nightmare.  First thru passport check, then
> claim our bags and then thru customs.  Then a tram to another terminal
> to find United Airlines, get my boarding pass then rush on another tram
> to get to the correct terminal where the gate was.   Then I had to go
> back thru security again since I had left the terminal where I came in.
> The lines were terribly long.  When I got the gate, the doors were
> closed to the plane.  I pushed the button and was told to find a person
> at one of the gates to help me.  I thought I was going to miss the
> flight but she called and told them I was ready and they opened the door
> and let me board the plane.
>
> Once I landed in St Louis, they told us our baggage would be on carousel
> 6.  I waited and waited and waited for mine to appear for about 45
> minutes.  Finally, I found where I had to go to report that it didn't
> arrive.  They told me it would be coming in on a plane that would arrive
> about 10 pm.  I told them I couldn't wait that long and they got my
> address at home and told me it would be delivered the next morning.  And I
> finally left for home.  I got home about 7:45pm.  We went to bed about 9
> that night - I was exhausted.  About 12:30 this morning Ray said the phone 
> rang (I didn't hear it) and it was the airport asking for directions on 
> how to get to
> our house.
>
> I got up at 5 am and was coming out of the bathroom and heard
> a noise outside and then a car door slamming.  I didn't think anything
> of it but when I took Cujo (our little dog) outside at 6, my bag was 
> sitting on the porch.
>
> It was a wonderful trip but much too short.  I am ready to go back.  There 
> is still so much to see of Termini Imerese that I didn't see.
>
>
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From erbudry at sc.rr.com  Fri Oct  6 22:48:45 2006
From: erbudry at sc.rr.com (Elizabeth Budry)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:48:45 -0400
Subject: [TI] Our trip to Termini Imerese
Message-ID: <000001c6e980$72731c30$6501a8c0@Office>

What a great trip.  We flew Eurofly from JFK directly into Palermo and would
highly recommend it.  Individual screens on the back of all seats with
movies and the trip schedule.

TI was wonderful including the natural Stairmaster (the 99 steps).  The
gelato was wonderful.  The cherry amaretto was super.  The pizza was also
very good.  The cheese nazi (the head waiter in white jacket) was very
funny.  He wouldn't allow anyone to have cheese on the pasta with fish.  The
chef absolutely forbade it, he said.  The hotel was very nice and the
respite at Trabia was excellent.  What a view.  

In TI, I had a picture and address of my g-uncle Salvatore's house on
Stesicoro.  Madeleine helped us one day but we couldn't find it.  We
persisted on another day and found it in Basso, matching the picture to the
present day house.  The bottom of the house was a borzellerio (sp) a leather
shop that made purses.  There was an old couple in there and Gary prodded me
to talk to them.  At first I resisted (not knowing proficient Italian) but
finally I talked to them, explaining my zio Salvatore Sansone lived there
previously, showed them the picture and the lady recognized Signore Sansone
and his wife Rosina.  Turns out they lived next door when they were very
young (they are probably now mid 80's).  She showed the picture to her
husband but he had problems with his vision and it didn't register with him
but he did remember them.  I also found my grandfather's house on Palazzo
Cirullo. A few of the houses there were abandoned.  

My initial impression of TI?  I absolutely loved it and will definitely go
back, next time also going to Terrasini where my paternal g-grandparents
lived.  That is about 20 miles west of Palermo so the train will be no
problem.  Speaking of Trenitalia, the trains are super.  What a great way to
traverse the island.  

And last but not least, what a great bunch of people on the trip.  It is so
nice to now have a face to match the lister, and we will definitely be at
the reunion in Rochester, NY next year.

Madeleine Gill was such a wonderful help to us and her cousins, John and
Mary Badali, are such lovely people. We also met Madeline's cousin Claudio
who was in the process of selling his ancestral home in TI because he lives
in England.  What a great experience it was for us.

Elizabeth Budry
ERBudry at sc.rr.com 






From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  7 02:12:39 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:12:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Trip to Termini Imerese - Keep the emails coming!
In-Reply-To: <000001c6e980$72731c30$6501a8c0@Office>
Message-ID: <20061006231239.88081.qmail@web60320.mail.yahoo.com>

Elizabeth, Laura, Corie and others,

What WONDERFUL stories and accounts we are reading!
These are fascinating even for those of us who have
been to Termini before. Write more about it!!

I would highly encourage everyone who went on the trip
to feel free to post their experiences and adventures
in Termini. What impressed you the most? What
surprised you? What was the biggest challenge on the
trip? Did this trip change your life in any way? Etc.
We are all family... tell us about your trip!

These are all things that the rest of us can never get
enough of! But I would encourage everyone to write
these essays as soon as possible! Why? Because the
memories start fading. When I read my own accounts of
my Termini trip in 1999 I am surprised at how many
things that I had since forgotten about that I was
lucky enough to have written down in the days after I
got back.

And then the photos... I can't wait for these!! I hope
Laura can load some large high-resolution photos that
we can even use as desktop backgrounds on our
computers. The Corso's took great pictures the last
time they were there and I hope there are some more
pictures like it this time.

And let me guess, everyone who went probably is
wanting to go back again within a year, right? That's
what me and everyone else says whoever goes there!
Just hearing about everyone else's trip makes me want
to go back so soon.

Please write more about your trips!!!!!!!

Ken Geraci

--- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:

> What a great trip.  We flew Eurofly from JFK
> directly into Palermo and would
> highly recommend it.  Individual screens on the back
> of all seats with
> movies and the trip schedule.
> 
> TI was wonderful including the natural Stairmaster
> (the 99 steps).  The
> gelato was wonderful.  The cherry amaretto was
> super.  The pizza was also
> very good.  The cheese nazi (the head waiter in
> white jacket) was very
> funny.  He wouldn't allow anyone to have cheese on
> the pasta with fish.  The
> chef absolutely forbade it, he said.  The hotel was
> very nice and the
> respite at Trabia was excellent.  What a view.  
> 
> In TI, I had a picture and address of my g-uncle
> Salvatore's house on
> Stesicoro.  Madeleine helped us one day but we
> couldn't find it.  We
> persisted on another day and found it in Basso,
> matching the picture to the
> present day house.  The bottom of the house was a
> borzellerio (sp) a leather
> shop that made purses.  There was an old couple in
> there and Gary prodded me
> to talk to them.  At first I resisted (not knowing
> proficient Italian) but
> finally I talked to them, explaining my zio
> Salvatore Sansone lived there
> previously, showed them the picture and the lady
> recognized Signore Sansone
> and his wife Rosina.  Turns out they lived next door
> when they were very
> young (they are probably now mid 80's).  She showed
> the picture to her
> husband but he had problems with his vision and it
> didn't register with him
> but he did remember them.  I also found my
> grandfather's house on Palazzo
> Cirullo. A few of the houses there were abandoned.  
> 
> My initial impression of TI?  I absolutely loved it
> and will definitely go
> back, next time also going to Terrasini where my
> paternal g-grandparents
> lived.  That is about 20 miles west of Palermo so
> the train will be no
> problem.  Speaking of Trenitalia, the trains are
> super.  What a great way to
> traverse the island.  
> 
> And last but not least, what a great bunch of people
> on the trip.  It is so
> nice to now have a face to match the lister, and we
> will definitely be at
> the reunion in Rochester, NY next year.
> 
> Madeleine Gill was such a wonderful help to us and
> her cousins, John and
> Mary Badali, are such lovely people. We also met
> Madeline's cousin Claudio
> who was in the process of selling his ancestral home
> in TI because he lives
> in England.  What a great experience it was for us.
> 
> Elizabeth Budry
> ERBudry at sc.rr.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Sat Oct  7 02:24:59 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:24:59 -0500
Subject: [TI] Trip to Termini Imerese - Keep the emails coming!
In-Reply-To: <20061006231239.88081.qmail@web60320.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20061006231239.88081.qmail@web60320.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4526E5CB.70300@madisontelco.com>

Ken,

I am going to try to get some of the pictures uploaded this weekend.  
There are just so many to chose from.  I have Kim's and Joe's to go thru 
too.

Anyone else who was on the trip can send me pictures of the various 
places they saw.  Also, I would like for those who had pictures taken by 
ancestral homes to send me pictures of those and pictures of the 
churches they saw so that I can try to get those sections up on the 
website as well

Father Delisi gave us a list of 30 churches.........I found only 15 of 
them.  I am hoping others found some more that I missed.  I did buy a 
book at the Duomo about the history of the churches in TI and am hoping 
to translate some of the more important facts from it to go with the 
pictures

Ken Geraci wrote:

>Elizabeth, Laura, Corie and others,
>
>What WONDERFUL stories and accounts we are reading!
>These are fascinating even for those of us who have
>been to Termini before. Write more about it!!
>
>I would highly encourage everyone who went on the trip
>to feel free to post their experiences and adventures
>in Termini. What impressed you the most? What
>surprised you? What was the biggest challenge on the
>trip? Did this trip change your life in any way? Etc.
>We are all family... tell us about your trip!
>
>These are all things that the rest of us can never get
>enough of! But I would encourage everyone to write
>these essays as soon as possible! Why? Because the
>memories start fading. When I read my own accounts of
>my Termini trip in 1999 I am surprised at how many
>things that I had since forgotten about that I was
>lucky enough to have written down in the days after I
>got back.
>
>And then the photos... I can't wait for these!! I hope
>Laura can load some large high-resolution photos that
>we can even use as desktop backgrounds on our
>computers. The Corso's took great pictures the last
>time they were there and I hope there are some more
>pictures like it this time.
>
>And let me guess, everyone who went probably is
>wanting to go back again within a year, right? That's
>what me and everyone else says whoever goes there!
>Just hearing about everyone else's trip makes me want
>to go back so soon.
>
>Please write more about your trips!!!!!!!
>
>Ken Geraci
>
>--- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>What a great trip.  We flew Eurofly from JFK
>>directly into Palermo and would
>>highly recommend it.  Individual screens on the back
>>of all seats with
>>movies and the trip schedule.
>>
>>TI was wonderful including the natural Stairmaster
>>(the 99 steps).  The
>>gelato was wonderful.  The cherry amaretto was
>>super.  The pizza was also
>>very good.  The cheese nazi (the head waiter in
>>white jacket) was very
>>funny.  He wouldn't allow anyone to have cheese on
>>the pasta with fish.  The
>>chef absolutely forbade it, he said.  The hotel was
>>very nice and the
>>respite at Trabia was excellent.  What a view.  
>>
>>In TI, I had a picture and address of my g-uncle
>>Salvatore's house on
>>Stesicoro.  Madeleine helped us one day but we
>>couldn't find it.  We
>>persisted on another day and found it in Basso,
>>matching the picture to the
>>present day house.  The bottom of the house was a
>>borzellerio (sp) a leather
>>shop that made purses.  There was an old couple in
>>there and Gary prodded me
>>to talk to them.  At first I resisted (not knowing
>>proficient Italian) but
>>finally I talked to them, explaining my zio
>>Salvatore Sansone lived there
>>previously, showed them the picture and the lady
>>recognized Signore Sansone
>>and his wife Rosina.  Turns out they lived next door
>>when they were very
>>young (they are probably now mid 80's).  She showed
>>the picture to her
>>husband but he had problems with his vision and it
>>didn't register with him
>>but he did remember them.  I also found my
>>grandfather's house on Palazzo
>>Cirullo. A few of the houses there were abandoned.  
>>
>>My initial impression of TI?  I absolutely loved it
>>and will definitely go
>>back, next time also going to Terrasini where my
>>paternal g-grandparents
>>lived.  That is about 20 miles west of Palermo so
>>the train will be no
>>problem.  Speaking of Trenitalia, the trains are
>>super.  What a great way to
>>traverse the island.  
>>
>>And last but not least, what a great bunch of people
>>on the trip.  It is so
>>nice to now have a face to match the lister, and we
>>will definitely be at
>>the reunion in Rochester, NY next year.
>>
>>Madeleine Gill was such a wonderful help to us and
>>her cousins, John and
>>Mary Badali, are such lovely people. We also met
>>Madeline's cousin Claudio
>>who was in the process of selling his ancestral home
>>in TI because he lives
>>in England.  What a great experience it was for us.
>>
>>Elizabeth Budry
>>ERBudry at sc.rr.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>
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>>
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From sah71052 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  7 12:49:37 2006
From: sah71052 at yahoo.com (Sheryl Hartnett)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:49:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Many Thanks!
Message-ID: <20061007094937.23886.qmail@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

To Laura, Kim, Rosalie and all who spend countless
hours getting info for us.  Without their diligence, I
,for one, would know nothing of my ancestors. My tree
now goes back 5 generations. If I can ever be of any
help, please don't hesitate to ask.

Also a big thanks to all who helped me along the way
in Termini.  To Terry, who took care of me from the
flight from Chicago all the way through 4 days in Rome
to Termini.  To Tom Teresi, who made sure I made it up
the 99 STEPS to the Duomo.  To Corie for letting me
share her family moments in Trabia and sticking by me
(for about an hour)while a shopkeeper took advantage
of my lack of language skills. (A life lesson, hey,
Corie???  hahaha).  To Madeleine, for helping me make
phones to Sicilian speaking family and helping me in a
pinch at check-out time.  And especially to Tony and
Lynn Venafro, who made alot of my experiences in
Termini bearable.  The best being when they drove me
and my luggage to the hotel in Trabia, so that I could
spend time with family in Termini.

"Thank You!", just doesn't seem enough for all the
friendliness and helpfulness of the group in Termini.

Sheryl  :) 

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From sah71052 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  7 15:04:10 2006
From: sah71052 at yahoo.com (Sheryl Hartnett)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 05:04:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] My Trip
Message-ID: <20061007120410.84991.qmail@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My trip started out sitting in the plane for 5 hours
AT THE GATE in St. Louis.  They let us off then for a
while and we reboarded.  Then sat for another 1  1/2
hours on the runway waiting for weather in Chicago to
subside (heavy storms and tornadoes). I made it just
in time to be one of the last to board the flight with
Terry in Chicago.  That plane's windshield wiper was
broken and they replaced it.  But they replaced the
wrong one.  Then borrowed a wiper from the plane I
came in on and we finally left and was off to Rome,
via London. Our flight was originally to land in Rome
at 1:35 pm Sat. the 23rd.  We deboarded at 8:45pm...7
hrs and 15 min late.  My newly found cousin, Rose Khan
from Brooklyn was waiting for us.  Her plane landed at
11:30 am that morning. 

Terry, Nancy Yesu and niece, Kari, Nancy Colby and her
friend, Gari, my cousin, Rose Khan, and I stayed 4
days in Rome before flying to Palermo on the 27th.  I
highly recommend the trip to Rome.  We stayed at a
quaint hotel that was closely located near the Forum
and Colliseum...Hotel Perugia.  Within walking
distance to the Circus Maximus, Palatine Hill and the
Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.  A longer walk or short
bus ride to Piazza Navona, Pantheon, Trevi Fountain
and the Spanish Steps is well worth the time.  

I would not recommend a scheduled tour of the Vatican.
 The tours are shuffled through too fast and pictures
are not an option going that fast especially for the
price, 42 euros.  Take the tour on your own. Also,
they were not stopping at St. Peter's Bacillica, only
driving by.  We left the tour so we could see St.
Peter's.  I think you could have spent a week or two,
24 hours straight each day and not see everything
there is to see in St. Peter's.  Truly breaktaking.

In Termini, the thought of being on the same roads as
my ancestors, struck me with awe.  The view from the
hotel of the mountains and Mediterranian sea port was
beautiful and ever changing as hours past and the
shawdows of the sun made the view different with every
glance.  

The people went about their daily routines as we
invade the streets with cameras in hand and tears in
our eyes.  What was "everyday" to them was life
changing for us. They were very patient with the
Americani when we tried to garble out our rendition of
the Sicilian language.  But they seemed to always
understand what we tried to convey.

I was exceptionally blessed on this trip to meet with
several (close to about a dozen families) of my Bova
family members.  Some having information and pictures
to share.  Some taking me into their homes and
preparing succulant meals that would fill an elephant.
 THESE PEOPLE LIKE TO EAT!!!  Showing me family
photos, antiques, wedding presents, etc.  Giving me
gifts to take home to America. I also collected email
and snail mail addresses of the family I met so we can
keep in touch. Family was the biggest reason for me
taking this trip and it was more that worth it.

I must admit I didn't get to see much of Termini or
take the day tours.  I figure it will be a good reason
to go back again and bring my family. 

My flights home left ALOT to be desired.  I found the
serpentine line for American Flights to Chicago. 
Stood in that line for 40 min. only to hear I should
be at Alitalia.  Stood in Alitalia's serpentine line
for 50 min to hear that for some unknown reason the
airline, Alitalia, said that their computer had it
that I got to London coming over and the rest of my
ticket had been canceled!!!  NOT!  I was standing in
Rome at the time, wasn't I???  So they hussled me to a
Continental flight that left later than my scheduled
flight.  
Got to Newark LATE, missed that flight, rescheduled
onto another flight to Chicago.  Got to Chicago (about
9:35 pm) way too late for my scheduled flight (6:45
pm) to St. Louis.  They rescheduled me at 9:45 pm on a
10:10 pm flight, handed me a boarding pass and then
said I wasn't in time to check my luggage to make that
flight( must be 40 mins before the flight)....THE LAST
OF THE NIGHT!!  I was then put on a flight leaving at
6:55 am the next morning (Oct 5th), given a boarding
pass for that flight and spent the night in the
airport.  My husband could have driven to O'Hare,
picked me up  and drove us back home in the time span
I waited for the plane.  LOL    I was never so glad to
be home after all that. By the time I reached my house
I had had about an hour's dozing in 3 days straight
(considering the time changes).  Needless to say, I
have been sleeping on and off since.  And plan to do
more to catch up.

Sheryl  :)









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From corielind at msn.com  Sat Oct  7 16:36:27 2006
From: corielind at msn.com (Corie Lindemann)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:36:27 -0500
Subject: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
References: <20061007120410.84991.qmail@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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You know, one thing that really struck me about Sicily is that timetables 
and schedules are "just a suggestion" (as Sharon Reif so aptly put it). 
Stores say they open at 8 and someone wanders around 8:40 to open it up. 
This happened multiple times. But I had been warned (thanks to Rick Steves 
travel books), so it was sort of expected. I had to remind myself I was on 
"Sicilian time". It also helped me understand that my sister's chronic 
tardiness is just part of her Sicilian heritage! I did find it interesting, 
though, that they never were a minute late when closing for the afternoon 
break!!

I also found it interesting that public employees would purposely 
shortchange you and not think a thing of it. When we arrived at Palermo 
Centrale, we went to buy tickets for the train to Termini. We made the 
mistake of asking the ticket seller if he spoke English (NO!) and he 
proceeded to shortchange several of us by 10 Euro each. By the time we 
figured it out, the line was too long to go back and argue. And we were not 
proficient in arguing in Sicilian (which EVERYONE who lives there seems to 
be). The Sicilians are passionate arguers! We witnessed some incredible road 
rage on the bus on the way to Palermo... Drivers getting out of their tiny 
little cars and arguing, shouting and gesturing to each other... repeatedly! 
Even the bus driver hung out the window and got in to the argument.

Now the little old man in Termini who shortchanged Sheryl and I was a 
different case. I'm convinced he was a confused dementia case who couldn't 
see the bills or the coins without holding them a few inches from his face. 
The interesting thing was, that as soon as we figured out there was a 
problem with the change, several people came in to the store and started 
shouting in Sicilian. Not sure if they were shouting at us, at the 
storekeeper, or just because they like to shout. Discussions always seemed 
to take on a loud passionate pitch with lots of gesturing. I think one of 
them thought we were trying to rip the poor old guy off. But it suddenly 
became the afternoon entertainment in that little store!  We should have 
charged admission! Sheryl found two younger Sicilian girls who tried to help 
translate, but even they shook their head after some time and said "he is an 
old man, he is confused".

The other interesting thing was that the price of gelati in the Dolce Vienna 
pasticcieria on Via Mazzini went up incrementally each day. It went from 
$2.25 on Thursday, to $2.50 on Sunday to $3.00 by the time we left. By the 
last day, I could clearly tell that the girl was asking the manager "what 
are we charging the Americani today?"  I guess it was the law of supply and 
demand. They did almost have the corner on the market in the afternoons. 
Nothing else was open around there.

I will say that this was not totally the rule. When Sheryl explained her 
frustration (!) with the old shopkeeper to the guy at another shop (Sicilia 
Lumie?), he actually apologized for all of Sicily! He even offered to gift 
wrap whatever we bought at the old man's shop for us.

Generally, the shopkeepers were friendly, as long as you tried to speak 
Italian.  I clearly did not learn enough of the language before I got there, 
but by the end, I was getting by with a few key words and phrases and a lot 
of pointing. I also learned to wait to pay the bill until you could actually 
see the numbers on the receipt. Much less chance of getting shortchanged. It 
gave me an opportunity to count out the money that required the LEAST amount 
of change possible!

This was all just part of the amazing experience in Sicily. The friendliness 
of all the people far outweighed the few negatives. (yes, even the 
soup/cheese/butter nazi waiters) Walking up and down the many many streets 
of TI, we were constantly greeted with "buon giorno", even as they looked at 
us curiously. Once we responded "buon giorno", they smiled and went on their 
way. I can't say that would have happened walking the streets of my hometown 
here.

Corie

 




From guiffre at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 17:28:52 2006
From: guiffre at gmail.com (Donna Guiffre)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:28:52 -0400
Subject: [TI] thanks for all the trip stories!
Message-ID: <5221131f0610070728x6557b626p67985e789ccca485@mail.gmail.com>

thanks so much to everyone for letting us know what your trip was
like.  I find myself reading every line of every note!  I just wish I
could have been with you,  I have not yet been fortunate enough to
meet any of you so truly look forward to the day when I can.  Your
stories are helping us all get a feeling for what the trip must have
been like.

I too can't wait to see all the pictures!

Thanks so much!!!

Donna Guiffre



From LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com  Sat Oct  7 18:12:00 2006
From: LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com (LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:12:00 EDT
Subject: [TI] thanks for all the trip stories!!
Message-ID: <2fe.4d38aa0.32591dc0@aol.com>

Donna,
 
You took the words right out of my mouth!  What a fantastic  trip!
 
Diane
 
In a message dated 10/7/2006 9:29:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
guiffre at gmail.com writes:

thanks so much to everyone for letting us know what your trip  was
like.  I find myself reading every line of every note!  I just  wish I
could have been with you,  I have not yet been fortunate enough  to
meet any of you so truly look forward to the day when I can.   Your
stories are helping us all get a feeling for what the trip must  have
been like.

I too can't wait to see all the  pictures!

Thanks so much!!!

Donna  Guiffre

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From LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com  Sat Oct  7 18:20:30 2006
From: LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com (LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:20:30 EDT
Subject: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
Message-ID: <cc2.260741.32591fbe@aol.com>

Corie,
 
Reading the account of your experiences makes me feel like I was on that  
trip with you all.  How I wish I could have been.  Number one on my  "Life List" 
is to go to Sicily.  
 
Diane
 
In a message dated 10/7/2006 8:37:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
corielind at msn.com writes:
You know, one thing that really struck me about  Sicily is that timetables 
and schedules are "just a suggestion" (as Sharon  Reif so aptly put it). 
Stores say they open at 8 and someone wanders around  8:40 to open it up. 
This happened multiple times. But I had been warned  (thanks to Rick Steves 
travel books), so it was sort of expected. I had to  remind myself I was on 
"Sicilian time". It also helped me understand that my  sister's chronic 
tardiness is just part of her Sicilian heritage! I did find  it interesting, 
though, that they never were a minute late when closing for  the afternoon 
break!!

I also found it interesting that public  employees would purposely 
shortchange you and not think a thing of it. When  we arrived at Palermo 
Centrale, we went to buy tickets for the train to  Termini. We made the 
mistake of asking the ticket seller if he spoke English  (NO!) and he 
proceeded to shortchange several of us by 10 Euro each. By the  time we 
figured it out, the line was too long to go back and argue. And we  were not 
proficient in arguing in Sicilian (which EVERYONE who lives there  seems to 
be). The Sicilians are passionate arguers! We witnessed some  incredible road 
rage on the bus on the way to Palermo... Drivers getting out  of their tiny 
little cars and arguing, shouting and gesturing to each  other... repeatedly! 
Even the bus driver hung out the window and got in to  the argument.

Now the little old man in Termini who shortchanged Sheryl  and I was a 
different case. I'm convinced he was a confused dementia case  who couldn't 
see the bills or the coins without holding them a few inches  from his face. 
The interesting thing was, that as soon as we figured out  there was a 
problem with the change, several people came in to the store and  started 
shouting in Sicilian. Not sure if they were shouting at us, at the  
storekeeper, or just because they like to shout. Discussions always seemed  
to take on a loud passionate pitch with lots of gesturing. I think one of  
them thought we were trying to rip the poor old guy off. But it suddenly  
became the afternoon entertainment in that little store!  We should  have 
charged admission! Sheryl found two younger Sicilian girls who tried to  help 
translate, but even they shook their head after some time and said "he  is an 
old man, he is confused".

The other interesting thing was that  the price of gelati in the Dolce Vienna 
pasticcieria on Via Mazzini went up  incrementally each day. It went from 
$2.25 on Thursday, to $2.50 on Sunday  to $3.00 by the time we left. By the 
last day, I could clearly tell that the  girl was asking the manager "what 
are we charging the Americani  today?"  I guess it was the law of supply and 
demand. They did almost  have the corner on the market in the afternoons. 
Nothing else was open  around there.

I will say that this was not totally the rule. When Sheryl  explained her 
frustration (!) with the old shopkeeper to the guy at another  shop (Sicilia 
Lumie?), he actually apologized for all of Sicily! He even  offered to gift 
wrap whatever we bought at the old man's shop for  us.

Generally, the shopkeepers were friendly, as long as you tried to  speak 
Italian.  I clearly did not learn enough of the language before I  got there, 
but by the end, I was getting by with a few key words and phrases  and a lot 
of pointing. I also learned to wait to pay the bill until you  could actually 
see the numbers on the receipt. Much less chance of getting  shortchanged. It 
gave me an opportunity to count out the money that required  the LEAST amount 
of change possible!

This was all just part of the  amazing experience in Sicily. The friendliness 
of all the people far  outweighed the few negatives. (yes, even the 
soup/cheese/butter nazi  waiters) Walking up and down the many many streets 
of TI, we were constantly  greeted with "buon giorno", even as they looked at 
us curiously. Once we  responded "buon giorno", they smiled and went on their 
way. I can't say that  would have happened walking the streets of my hometown 
 
here.

Corie




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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Sat Oct  7 19:15:42 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:15:42 -0500
Subject: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
In-Reply-To: <cc2.260741.32591fbe@aol.com>
References: <cc2.260741.32591fbe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4527D2AE.2060102@madisontelco.com>

Then start saving your pennies NOW............we are going back in 5 
years - 2011

LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:

>Corie,
> 
>Reading the account of your experiences makes me feel like I was on that  
>trip with you all.  How I wish I could have been.  Number one on my  "Life List" 
>is to go to Sicily.  
> 
>Diane
> 
>In a message dated 10/7/2006 8:37:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
>corielind at msn.com writes:
>You know, one thing that really struck me about  Sicily is that timetables 
>and schedules are "just a suggestion" (as Sharon  Reif so aptly put it). 
>Stores say they open at 8 and someone wanders around  8:40 to open it up. 
>This happened multiple times. But I had been warned  (thanks to Rick Steves 
>travel books), so it was sort of expected. I had to  remind myself I was on 
>"Sicilian time". It also helped me understand that my  sister's chronic 
>tardiness is just part of her Sicilian heritage! I did find  it interesting, 
>though, that they never were a minute late when closing for  the afternoon 
>break!!
>
>I also found it interesting that public  employees would purposely 
>shortchange you and not think a thing of it. When  we arrived at Palermo 
>Centrale, we went to buy tickets for the train to  Termini. We made the 
>mistake of asking the ticket seller if he spoke English  (NO!) and he 
>proceeded to shortchange several of us by 10 Euro each. By the  time we 
>figured it out, the line was too long to go back and argue. And we  were not 
>proficient in arguing in Sicilian (which EVERYONE who lives there  seems to 
>be). The Sicilians are passionate arguers! We witnessed some  incredible road 
>rage on the bus on the way to Palermo... Drivers getting out  of their tiny 
>little cars and arguing, shouting and gesturing to each  other... repeatedly! 
>Even the bus driver hung out the window and got in to  the argument.
>
>Now the little old man in Termini who shortchanged Sheryl  and I was a 
>different case. I'm convinced he was a confused dementia case  who couldn't 
>see the bills or the coins without holding them a few inches  from his face. 
>The interesting thing was, that as soon as we figured out  there was a 
>problem with the change, several people came in to the store and  started 
>shouting in Sicilian. Not sure if they were shouting at us, at the  
>storekeeper, or just because they like to shout. Discussions always seemed  
>to take on a loud passionate pitch with lots of gesturing. I think one of  
>them thought we were trying to rip the poor old guy off. But it suddenly  
>became the afternoon entertainment in that little store!  We should  have 
>charged admission! Sheryl found two younger Sicilian girls who tried to  help 
>translate, but even they shook their head after some time and said "he  is an 
>old man, he is confused".
>
>The other interesting thing was that  the price of gelati in the Dolce Vienna 
>pasticcieria on Via Mazzini went up  incrementally each day. It went from 
>$2.25 on Thursday, to $2.50 on Sunday  to $3.00 by the time we left. By the 
>last day, I could clearly tell that the  girl was asking the manager "what 
>are we charging the Americani  today?"  I guess it was the law of supply and 
>demand. They did almost  have the corner on the market in the afternoons. 
>Nothing else was open  around there.
>
>I will say that this was not totally the rule. When Sheryl  explained her 
>frustration (!) with the old shopkeeper to the guy at another  shop (Sicilia 
>Lumie?), he actually apologized for all of Sicily! He even  offered to gift 
>wrap whatever we bought at the old man's shop for  us.
>
>Generally, the shopkeepers were friendly, as long as you tried to  speak 
>Italian.  I clearly did not learn enough of the language before I  got there, 
>but by the end, I was getting by with a few key words and phrases  and a lot 
>of pointing. I also learned to wait to pay the bill until you  could actually 
>see the numbers on the receipt. Much less chance of getting  shortchanged. It 
>gave me an opportunity to count out the money that required  the LEAST amount 
>of change possible!
>
>This was all just part of the  amazing experience in Sicily. The friendliness 
>of all the people far  outweighed the few negatives. (yes, even the 
>soup/cheese/butter nazi  waiters) Walking up and down the many many streets 
>of TI, we were constantly  greeted with "buon giorno", even as they looked at 
>us curiously. Once we  responded "buon giorno", they smiled and went on their 
>way. I can't say that  would have happened walking the streets of my hometown 
> 
>here.
>
>Corie
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>  
>



From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Sat Oct  7 19:17:11 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:17:11 -0500
Subject: [TI] thanks for all the trip stories!
In-Reply-To: <5221131f0610070728x6557b626p67985e789ccca485@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5221131f0610070728x6557b626p67985e789ccca485@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4527D307.30302@madisontelco.com>

Pictures..........groan!

There are so many to chose from.  I took well over 2500 pictures alone 
including those I did in the cemetery.

working on it........slowly........trying to organize them into groups

Donna Guiffre wrote:

>thanks so much to everyone for letting us know what your trip was
>like.  I find myself reading every line of every note!  I just wish I
>could have been with you,  I have not yet been fortunate enough to
>meet any of you so truly look forward to the day when I can.  Your
>stories are helping us all get a feeling for what the trip must have
>been like.
>
>I too can't wait to see all the pictures!
>
>Thanks so much!!!
>
>Donna Guiffre
>
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>
>
>  
>



From LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com  Sat Oct  7 19:17:24 2006
From: LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com (LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:17:24 EDT
Subject: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
Message-ID: <bf0.50731b5.32592d14@aol.com>

I will. I'll be on that next trip!
 
Diane
 
In a message dated 10/7/2006 11:13:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
rngade57 at madisontelco.com writes:
Then start saving your pennies  NOW............we are going back in 5 
years -  2011

LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:

>Corie,
>  
>Reading the account of your experiences makes me feel like I was on  that  
>trip with you all.  How I wish I could have been.   Number one on my  "Life 
List" 
>is to go to Sicily.  
>  
>Diane
> 
>



From jlip37 at verizon.net  Sat Oct  7 21:09:40 2006
From: jlip37 at verizon.net (Joan Petrulis)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:09:40 -0500
Subject: [TI] My Trip
References: <20061007120410.84991.qmail@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <013f01c6ea3b$c34fba30$4001a8c0@Gonzo>

What a fabulous trip! And what a wonderful group of people on this Termini 
Imerese list! Staying behind after so many of you left for Trabia was a 
little lonely but I found a very interesting part of the trip was yet to 
come.

We took an interpreter with us to try to find the birth records of my 
Chiaramonte grandparents. I think we can bestow the title of "records nazi" 
on the generale you have to butter up in order to get any information. When 
she found out we were staying at the Grand Hotel she threw her hands up in 
the air, rolled her eyes and shouted that she had 70 of us from the Grand 
Hotel in her office the day before...all looking for dead relatives! But 
aside from the menacing looks she gave Al as he boldly took photos of her 
books of records, she was accommodating and we found the births and visited 
the addresses that were listed. The new owners of the Chiaramonte house 
invited us in and we videoed their home which was essentially a three story, 
three room home...but very neat and clean with some ornate antiques in it.

Then we visited Caccamo castle and Mussomeli Castle, both of which have a 
Chiaramonte connection. At Mussomeli we met Pasquale Messina, an historian 
who has written several books about Manfredi and Andrea Chiaramonte and the 
castle itself. I purchased them but need to translate them...good luck!  I 
must say I felt like I was finally home when I ascended the windswept path 
to Mussomeli Castle. We were in the actual room where the barons plotted the 
unsuccessful overthrow of the Aragona. Al now calls me "Baronessa."

I also found out that the Indovina fountain in Mussomeli is not a 
"fortuneteller" fountain. The whole section of the city is called "Indovina" 
and the fountain is where the townspeople get their drinking water.

We covered alot of territory on this trip and I came home with more 
questions than I had before I got there, but that is all good. I loved every 
moment. When we left the cousins we made a pact: Teresa Todaro promised to 
learn English if I would learn to speak Italian. We shook on that so I have 
much work to do before I ever return to Termini.

The plane from Rome to Chicago took off 90 min. late so we missed our next 
flight and were on standby for the Chicago to Madison, WI leg of the trip - 
but all went well and we got on the next flight.

Hope you all made it back okay.

Joan & Al





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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Sat Oct  7 23:40:46 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:40:46 -0400
Subject: [TI] thanks for all the trip stories!
References: <5221131f0610070728x6557b626p67985e789ccca485@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004901c6ea50$f065bb40$179950ce@DJZBSK81>

Ditto!!  I am enjoying all your emails, and the descriptions of Sicily.
Thanks for sharing.
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donna Guiffre" <guiffre at gmail.com>
To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 10:28 AM
Subject: [TI] thanks for all the trip stories!


> thanks so much to everyone for letting us know what your trip was
> like.  I find myself reading every line of every note!  I just wish I
> could have been with you,  I have not yet been fortunate enough to
> meet any of you so truly look forward to the day when I can.  Your
> stories are helping us all get a feeling for what the trip must have
> been like.
>
> I too can't wait to see all the pictures!
>
> Thanks so much!!!
>
> Donna Guiffre
>
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Sat Oct  7 23:42:22 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:42:22 -0400
Subject: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
References: <cc2.260741.32591fbe@aol.com> <4527D2AE.2060102@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <005001c6ea51$298fd360$179950ce@DJZBSK81>

Maybe a little sooner???  We are getting old.  One thing I know, I can't do 
99 steps now.
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laura Johnson" <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money


> Then start saving your pennies NOW............we are going back in 5
> years - 2011
>
> LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
>
>>Corie,
>>
>>Reading the account of your experiences makes me feel like I was on that
>>trip with you all.  How I wish I could have been.  Number one on my  "Life 
>>List"
>>is to go to Sicily.
>>
>>Diane
>>
>>In a message dated 10/7/2006 8:37:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>corielind at msn.com writes:
>>You know, one thing that really struck me about  Sicily is that timetables
>>and schedules are "just a suggestion" (as Sharon  Reif so aptly put it).
>>Stores say they open at 8 and someone wanders around  8:40 to open it up.
>>This happened multiple times. But I had been warned  (thanks to Rick 
>>Steves
>>travel books), so it was sort of expected. I had to  remind myself I was 
>>on
>>"Sicilian time". It also helped me understand that my  sister's chronic
>>tardiness is just part of her Sicilian heritage! I did find  it 
>>interesting,
>>though, that they never were a minute late when closing for  the afternoon
>>break!!
>>
>>I also found it interesting that public  employees would purposely
>>shortchange you and not think a thing of it. When  we arrived at Palermo
>>Centrale, we went to buy tickets for the train to  Termini. We made the
>>mistake of asking the ticket seller if he spoke English  (NO!) and he
>>proceeded to shortchange several of us by 10 Euro each. By the  time we
>>figured it out, the line was too long to go back and argue. And we  were 
>>not
>>proficient in arguing in Sicilian (which EVERYONE who lives there  seems 
>>to
>>be). The Sicilians are passionate arguers! We witnessed some  incredible 
>>road
>>rage on the bus on the way to Palermo... Drivers getting out  of their 
>>tiny
>>little cars and arguing, shouting and gesturing to each  other... 
>>repeatedly!
>>Even the bus driver hung out the window and got in to  the argument.
>>
>>Now the little old man in Termini who shortchanged Sheryl  and I was a
>>different case. I'm convinced he was a confused dementia case  who 
>>couldn't
>>see the bills or the coins without holding them a few inches  from his 
>>face.
>>The interesting thing was, that as soon as we figured out  there was a
>>problem with the change, several people came in to the store and  started
>>shouting in Sicilian. Not sure if they were shouting at us, at the
>>storekeeper, or just because they like to shout. Discussions always seemed
>>to take on a loud passionate pitch with lots of gesturing. I think one of
>>them thought we were trying to rip the poor old guy off. But it suddenly
>>became the afternoon entertainment in that little store!  We should  have
>>charged admission! Sheryl found two younger Sicilian girls who tried to 
>>help
>>translate, but even they shook their head after some time and said "he  is 
>>an
>>old man, he is confused".
>>
>>The other interesting thing was that  the price of gelati in the Dolce 
>>Vienna
>>pasticcieria on Via Mazzini went up  incrementally each day. It went from
>>$2.25 on Thursday, to $2.50 on Sunday  to $3.00 by the time we left. By 
>>the
>>last day, I could clearly tell that the  girl was asking the manager "what
>>are we charging the Americani  today?"  I guess it was the law of supply 
>>and
>>demand. They did almost  have the corner on the market in the afternoons.
>>Nothing else was open  around there.
>>
>>I will say that this was not totally the rule. When Sheryl  explained her
>>frustration (!) with the old shopkeeper to the guy at another  shop 
>>(Sicilia
>>Lumie?), he actually apologized for all of Sicily! He even  offered to 
>>gift
>>wrap whatever we bought at the old man's shop for  us.
>>
>>Generally, the shopkeepers were friendly, as long as you tried to  speak
>>Italian.  I clearly did not learn enough of the language before I  got 
>>there,
>>but by the end, I was getting by with a few key words and phrases  and a 
>>lot
>>of pointing. I also learned to wait to pay the bill until you  could 
>>actually
>>see the numbers on the receipt. Much less chance of getting  shortchanged. 
>>It
>>gave me an opportunity to count out the money that required  the LEAST 
>>amount
>>of change possible!
>>
>>This was all just part of the  amazing experience in Sicily. The 
>>friendliness
>>of all the people far  outweighed the few negatives. (yes, even the
>>soup/cheese/butter nazi  waiters) Walking up and down the many many 
>>streets
>>of TI, we were constantly  greeted with "buon giorno", even as they looked 
>>at
>>us curiously. Once we  responded "buon giorno", they smiled and went on 
>>their
>>way. I can't say that  would have happened walking the streets of my 
>>hometown
>>
>>here.
>>
>>Corie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Sat Oct  7 23:43:21 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:43:21 -0400
Subject: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
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Can you make 99 steps?
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money


>I will. I'll be on that next trip!
>
> Diane
>
> In a message dated 10/7/2006 11:13:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> rngade57 at madisontelco.com writes:
> Then start saving your pennies  NOW............we are going back in 5
> years -  2011
>
> LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
>
>>Corie,
>>
>>Reading the account of your experiences makes me feel like I was on  that
>>trip with you all.  How I wish I could have been.   Number one on my 
>>"Life
> List"
>>is to go to Sicily.
>>
>>Diane
>>
>>
>
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From aj4eyes at sympatico.ca  Sun Oct  8 00:41:18 2006
From: aj4eyes at sympatico.ca (A. J. Quattrocchi)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:41:18 -0400
Subject: [TI] thanks for all the trip stories!
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Laura I am sure enjoying all the stories of the trips to TI, I would have liked to go, but in 5 years for the next trip I will be about 90 and that is a question mark, waitng for cousin Madeleine to get home on the 15th to hear what she found out, enjoy your memories. A.J. Quattrocchi a 100% Termitani.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laura Johnson" <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] thanks for all the trip stories!


> Pictures..........groan!
> 
> There are so many to chose from.  I took well over 2500 pictures alone 
> including those I did in the cemetery.
> 
> working on it........slowly........trying to organize them into groups
> 
> Donna Guiffre wrote:
> 
> >thanks so much to everyone for letting us know what your trip was
> >like.  I find myself reading every line of every note!  I just wish I
> >could have been with you,  I have not yet been fortunate enough to
> >meet any of you so truly look forward to the day when I can.  Your
> >stories are helping us all get a feeling for what the trip must have
> >been like.
> >
> >I too can't wait to see all the pictures!
> >
> >Thanks so much!!!
> >
> >Donna Guiffre
> >
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From LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com  Sun Oct  8 00:06:11 2006
From: LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com (LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:06:11 EDT
Subject: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
Message-ID: <bd6.6361866.325970c3@aol.com>

If I start walking now,,,,haha
 
In a message dated 10/7/2006 3:44:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
anniegoe at fyi.net writes:
Can you make 99 steps?
Ann
----- Original  Message ----- 
From: <LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com>
To:  <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006  12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time &  money


>I will. I'll be on that next trip!
>
>  Diane
>
> In a message dated 10/7/2006 11:13:13 A.M. Central  Daylight Time,
> rngade57 at madisontelco.com writes:
> Then start  saving your pennies  NOW............we are going back in 5
> years  -  2011
>
> LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com  wrote:
>
>>Corie,
>>
>>Reading the account of  your experiences makes me feel like I was on  that
>>trip with you  all.  How I wish I could have been.   Number one on my  
>>"Life
> List"
>>is to go to  Sicily.
>>
>>Diane
>>
>>
>
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From LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com  Sun Oct  8 00:46:33 2006
From: LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com (LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:46:33 EDT
Subject: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS
Message-ID: <384.ba686de.32597a39@aol.com>

A.J.,
 
Stick around.  In five years I'll need you to help me up those 99  steps!
 
Diane
 
In a message dated 10/7/2006 4:42:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
aj4eyes at sympatico.ca writes:
Laura I am sure enjoying all the stories of the  trips to TI, I would have 
liked to go, but in 5 years for the next trip I will  be about 90 and that is a 
question mark, waitng for cousin Madeleine to get home  on the 15th to hear 
what she found out, enjoy your memories. A.J. Quattrocchi a  100% Termitani.





From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Sun Oct  8 01:18:39 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 17:18:39 -0500
Subject: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
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2011  - the next 4 years are already chosen destinations

Start walking now and stairclimbing alone won't do it.  I had been 
practicing on the stairs on the outside of our building at work but they 
are nothing like what we walked in TI.

anniegoe wrote:

>Maybe a little sooner???  We are getting old.  One thing I know, I can't do 
>99 steps now.
>Ann
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Laura Johnson" <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
>To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:15 PM
>Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
>
>
>  
>
>>Then start saving your pennies NOW............we are going back in 5
>>years - 2011
>>
>>LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Corie,
>>>
>>>Reading the account of your experiences makes me feel like I was on that
>>>trip with you all.  How I wish I could have been.  Number one on my  "Life 
>>>List"
>>>is to go to Sicily.
>>>
>>>Diane
>>>
>>>In a message dated 10/7/2006 8:37:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>>corielind at msn.com writes:
>>>You know, one thing that really struck me about  Sicily is that timetables
>>>and schedules are "just a suggestion" (as Sharon  Reif so aptly put it).
>>>Stores say they open at 8 and someone wanders around  8:40 to open it up.
>>>This happened multiple times. But I had been warned  (thanks to Rick 
>>>Steves
>>>travel books), so it was sort of expected. I had to  remind myself I was 
>>>on
>>>"Sicilian time". It also helped me understand that my  sister's chronic
>>>tardiness is just part of her Sicilian heritage! I did find  it 
>>>interesting,
>>>though, that they never were a minute late when closing for  the afternoon
>>>break!!
>>>
>>>I also found it interesting that public  employees would purposely
>>>shortchange you and not think a thing of it. When  we arrived at Palermo
>>>Centrale, we went to buy tickets for the train to  Termini. We made the
>>>mistake of asking the ticket seller if he spoke English  (NO!) and he
>>>proceeded to shortchange several of us by 10 Euro each. By the  time we
>>>figured it out, the line was too long to go back and argue. And we  were 
>>>not
>>>proficient in arguing in Sicilian (which EVERYONE who lives there  seems 
>>>to
>>>be). The Sicilians are passionate arguers! We witnessed some  incredible 
>>>road
>>>rage on the bus on the way to Palermo... Drivers getting out  of their 
>>>tiny
>>>little cars and arguing, shouting and gesturing to each  other... 
>>>repeatedly!
>>>Even the bus driver hung out the window and got in to  the argument.
>>>
>>>Now the little old man in Termini who shortchanged Sheryl  and I was a
>>>different case. I'm convinced he was a confused dementia case  who 
>>>couldn't
>>>see the bills or the coins without holding them a few inches  from his 
>>>face.
>>>The interesting thing was, that as soon as we figured out  there was a
>>>problem with the change, several people came in to the store and  started
>>>shouting in Sicilian. Not sure if they were shouting at us, at the
>>>storekeeper, or just because they like to shout. Discussions always seemed
>>>to take on a loud passionate pitch with lots of gesturing. I think one of
>>>them thought we were trying to rip the poor old guy off. But it suddenly
>>>became the afternoon entertainment in that little store!  We should  have
>>>charged admission! Sheryl found two younger Sicilian girls who tried to 
>>>help
>>>translate, but even they shook their head after some time and said "he  is 
>>>an
>>>old man, he is confused".
>>>
>>>The other interesting thing was that  the price of gelati in the Dolce 
>>>Vienna
>>>pasticcieria on Via Mazzini went up  incrementally each day. It went from
>>>$2.25 on Thursday, to $2.50 on Sunday  to $3.00 by the time we left. By 
>>>the
>>>last day, I could clearly tell that the  girl was asking the manager "what
>>>are we charging the Americani  today?"  I guess it was the law of supply 
>>>and
>>>demand. They did almost  have the corner on the market in the afternoons.
>>>Nothing else was open  around there.
>>>
>>>I will say that this was not totally the rule. When Sheryl  explained her
>>>frustration (!) with the old shopkeeper to the guy at another  shop 
>>>(Sicilia
>>>Lumie?), he actually apologized for all of Sicily! He even  offered to 
>>>gift
>>>wrap whatever we bought at the old man's shop for  us.
>>>
>>>Generally, the shopkeepers were friendly, as long as you tried to  speak
>>>Italian.  I clearly did not learn enough of the language before I  got 
>>>there,
>>>but by the end, I was getting by with a few key words and phrases  and a 
>>>lot
>>>of pointing. I also learned to wait to pay the bill until you  could 
>>>actually
>>>see the numbers on the receipt. Much less chance of getting  shortchanged. 
>>>It
>>>gave me an opportunity to count out the money that required  the LEAST 
>>>amount
>>>of change possible!
>>>
>>>This was all just part of the  amazing experience in Sicily. The 
>>>friendliness
>>>of all the people far  outweighed the few negatives. (yes, even the
>>>soup/cheese/butter nazi  waiters) Walking up and down the many many 
>>>streets
>>>of TI, we were constantly  greeted with "buon giorno", even as they looked 
>>>at
>>>us curiously. Once we  responded "buon giorno", they smiled and went on 
>>>their
>>>way. I can't say that  would have happened walking the streets of my 
>>>hometown
>>>
>>>here.
>>>
>>>Corie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From corielind at msn.com  Sun Oct  8 02:43:26 2006
From: corielind at msn.com (Corie Lindemann)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 18:43:26 -0500
Subject: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
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Start doing a stairmaster now. One thing Termini is not is handicapped 
accessible! If you can't do steps, you will need a car for sure. Even some 
of the roads are steps!

Corie


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "anniegoe" <anniegoe at fyi.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money


> Can you make 99 steps?
> Ann
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
>
>
> >I will. I'll be on that next trip!
> >
> > Diane
> >
> > In a message dated 10/7/2006 11:13:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > rngade57 at madisontelco.com writes:
> > Then start saving your pennies  NOW............we are going back in 5
> > years -  2011
> >
> > LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>Corie,
> >>
> >>Reading the account of your experiences makes me feel like I was on 
> >>that
> >>trip with you all.  How I wish I could have been.   Number one on my
> >>"Life
> > List"
> >>is to go to Sicily.
> >>
> >>Diane
> >>
> >>
> >
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Sun Oct  8 03:06:25 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:06:25 -0400
Subject: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
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I can't do steps.  I would be out of breath!   I am washing clothes, and I 
have to go down the cellar steps, my loads are spaced far apart.  So if I 
left now, I may see you at the top in five years.  One step at a time!!!! 
No wonder my family died young in Termini. They were Alta!
Ann

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money


> Start doing a stairmaster now. One thing Termini is not is handicapped 
> accessible! If you can't do steps, you will need a car for sure. Even some 
> of the roads are steps!
>
> Corie
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "anniegoe" <anniegoe at fyi.net>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 3:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
>
>
>> Can you make 99 steps?
>> Ann
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com>
>> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
>>
>>
>> >I will. I'll be on that next trip!
>> >
>> > Diane
>> >
>> > In a message dated 10/7/2006 11:13:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> > rngade57 at madisontelco.com writes:
>> > Then start saving your pennies  NOW............we are going back in 5
>> > years -  2011
>> >
>> > LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> >>Corie,
>> >>
>> >>Reading the account of your experiences makes me feel like I was on 
>> >>that
>> >>trip with you all.  How I wish I could have been.   Number one on my
>> >>"Life
>> > List"
>> >>is to go to Sicily.
>> >>
>> >>Diane
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Sun Oct  8 03:09:03 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:09:03 -0400
Subject: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
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And I used to worry about the chickens walking in the houses!
My reason for not going before.
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money


> Start doing a stairmaster now. One thing Termini is not is handicapped 
> accessible! If you can't do steps, you will need a car for sure. Even some 
> of the roads are steps!
>
> Corie
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "anniegoe" <anniegoe at fyi.net>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 3:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
>
>
>> Can you make 99 steps?
>> Ann
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com>
>> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
>>
>>
>> >I will. I'll be on that next trip!
>> >
>> > Diane
>> >
>> > In a message dated 10/7/2006 11:13:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> > rngade57 at madisontelco.com writes:
>> > Then start saving your pennies  NOW............we are going back in 5
>> > years -  2011
>> >
>> > LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> >>Corie,
>> >>
>> >>Reading the account of your experiences makes me feel like I was on 
>> >>that
>> >>trip with you all.  How I wish I could have been.   Number one on my
>> >>"Life
>> > List"
>> >>is to go to Sicily.
>> >>
>> >>Diane
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > TerminiImerese mailing list
>> > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
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From corielind at msn.com  Sun Oct  8 03:11:18 2006
From: corielind at msn.com (Corie Lindemann)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 19:11:18 -0500
Subject: [TI] The waiters...
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I thought I better explain all the references to the "soup nazi" from the 
trip. The "soup nazi" is a character on Seinfeld from years ago. He was a 
cook
at a restaurant and if he didn't like you, he'd shout "NO SOUP FOR YOU!".
The characters on the show called him the "soup nazi".
At the Grand Hotel, the waiters were a lot like that. We asked for some
grated cheese for the pasta with sardines and he'd get all indignant and
say "you don't put CHEESE on your fish!" (No cheese for you!) Then, they
ran out of butter and he said "No Butter! Burra fini! (No butter for you!)
So we called the snobby waiter "the cheese nazi" or "the butter nazi"
since he was so much like that "soup nazi" character.

The service at the hotel restaurant left a lot to be desired. The other
waiter told Elaine Corso that she had to sit in the same place every
night! He asked me on 3 different nights if I had the bed and breakfast 
plan. (Why would I be eating dinner there if I only had bed and breakfast?) 
He would get upset if we came in at different times. "Tomorrow you all come 
at 8!" Not always possible with the day tours.
Then he would come around to collect the 3 Euro per bottle of water
before we even had half our meal. Not even water was included with the meal. 
It left a bad taste in our mouths... literally!

They seemed to loosen up a bit by the last night, but maybe that was just 
because they knew we were leaving!

Corie 




From gotto at ameritech.net  Sun Oct  8 03:33:51 2006
From: gotto at ameritech.net (Charles A Otto)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:33:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Amazing TI trip
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Message-ID: <20061008003351.55617.qmail@web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Corie for such a nice update on Termini.  Your
letter gave me chills also. Just finally got to the
computer at my son's in Tucson. Gloria

--- Corie Lindemann <corielind at msn.com> wrote:

> 
> Well gang, it was an amazing reunion in Termini
> Imerese! Certainly not 
> without glitches, but overall, I had a wonderful
> time walking the streets 
> (and ooohhhh the steps) our forefathers walked. Many
> of us found ancestral 
> homes and some even found relatives or possible
> relatives. A group took 
> digital pics of the cemetery records from about
> 1910-1940 (dates could be 
> off -- Paul Caito will confirm). We took photos of
> stones for a good part of 
> the cemetery. We toured the duomo, which was
> amazing. I got to see and touch 
> the baptismal fount where my great grandmother was
> baptized in the 1860s. It 
> gave me a much better sense of how our ancestors
> lived.
> Many images will stick with me for a long time --
> the view from the rooftop 
> of the hotel, looking out over the sea from the
> Belvedere, the narrow 
> streets of steps winding up the hills, the people
> shouting at each other 
> from the balconies across the skinny streets, the
> fish market, the crazy 
> drivers, the gelato and cannolis, but especially the
> little man selling 
> flowers in front of the cemetery, when we talked
> about our families and he 
> pointed to us and smiled and said in very broken
> English: "You Termitani, 
> si! You Termitani!!!" That just sent chills up my
> spine! Si, mi 
> Termitani!!!!
> I'm sure Laura will get the stories and the photos
> posted when she recovers. 
> (I left her looking for baggage at O'Hare customs a
> few hours ago!) But I 
> wanted to give you all an update. Much more to
> come!!!!
> 
> Ciao,
> Corie 
> 
> 
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From LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com  Sun Oct  8 04:41:00 2006
From: LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com (LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:41:00 EDT
Subject: [TI] The waiters...
Message-ID: <bb8.5533646.3259b12c@aol.com>

Corie,
 
Thanks for the explanation of the "soup nazi".  That is just too  funny.  
Hysterical really.  I'm glad I'm learning all about this  beforehand so that I 
won't be too surprised when it happens to me...hahaha
 
Diane
 



From m.maddi at att.net  Sun Oct  8 04:58:05 2006
From: m.maddi at att.net (Mike Maddi)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 01:58:05 +0000
Subject: [TI] The waiters...
Message-ID: <100820060158.20773.45285B2C000DFD18000051252160281060070B0B0E03D203@att.net>

I can verify Corie's description of the waiters. My girlfriend Tonya and I were amused by them. The one who really got us was the maitre'd.

On the third day we were there, about 30 of us went on a day tour to Mt. Etna and Taormina. It was quite a drive and we didn't arrive back at the hotel until 9:30. Even though the restaurant was open for dinner from 8 to 10 pm, we had been told the night before that all of us should be there at 8 pm for our group's dinners. 

I was sure that all 30 of us would go to bed hungry, especially when I saw the maitre'd standing at the entrance to the restaurant. He had daggers coming from his eyes as he watched us come into the hotel from the buses! But we all had our dinner that night.

Mike


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com
> Corie,
>  
> Thanks for the explanation of the "soup nazi".  That is just too  funny.  
> Hysterical really.  I'm glad I'm learning all about this  beforehand so that I 
> won't be too surprised when it happens to me...hahaha
>  
> Diane
>  
> 
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Sun Oct  8 05:32:40 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 21:32:40 -0500
Subject: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded
In-Reply-To: <100820060158.20773.45285B2C000DFD18000051252160281060070B0B0E03D203@att.net>
References: <100820060158.20773.45285B2C000DFD18000051252160281060070B0B0E03D203@att.net>
Message-ID: <45286348.8000402@madisontelco.com>

Due to the amount of pictures coming in that were taken, I separated them into different topics.  I have uploaded over 230 pictures so far.

The pictures of the Duomo and the other churches we found, Ancestral Homes, Streets, Finding Family, Food and Trips to other Towns  will be put up later as more pictures come in for those topics.

The reason for the Duomo and other church picturs not being put up at this time is that I bought a book about the history of the churches in TI and a book about the history of the Duomo and I would like to include some of that history along with the pictures when they go up.  I am also waiting on some pictures from others of churches they took pictures of.

The pictures that were taken at the cemetery will not appear until we have completed indexing the burial records Paul Caito filmed from 1910 thru 1971.  Our plans are to link the image (if available) to the burial record into a database but this will take some time to get this all compiled.

So in the meantime, you can directly click the link on the main page for Pictures of Past Reunions or go directly to:
http://www.termini-imerese.org/Reunion/2006TI/Reunion2006.htm




From Gtownma at midsouth.rr.com  Sun Oct  8 05:46:29 2006
From: Gtownma at midsouth.rr.com (Tina Sansone)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:46:29 -0500
Subject: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded
References: <100820060158.20773.45285B2C000DFD18000051252160281060070B0B0E03D203@att.net>
	<45286348.8000402@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <000601c6ea83$f5679720$250110ac@TINASLAPTOP>

To see the record of Sansone was so exciting.  OH how exciting to see the 
pictures.

Tina

PS  would love to see these "steps" we heard mentioned if available. 





From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Sun Oct  8 05:53:52 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 21:53:52 -0500
Subject: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded
In-Reply-To: <000601c6ea83$f5679720$250110ac@TINASLAPTOP>
References: <100820060158.20773.45285B2C000DFD18000051252160281060070B0B0E03D203@att.net>	<45286348.8000402@madisontelco.com>
	<000601c6ea83$f5679720$250110ac@TINASLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <45286840.4010207@madisontelco.com>

look at VIA ROMA

Tina Sansone wrote:

>To see the record of Sansone was so exciting.  OH how exciting to see the 
>pictures.
>
>Tina
>
>PS  would love to see these "steps" we heard mentioned if available. 
>
>
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From Gtownma at midsouth.rr.com  Sun Oct  8 06:02:39 2006
From: Gtownma at midsouth.rr.com (Tina Sansone)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 22:02:39 -0500
Subject: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded
References: <100820060158.20773.45285B2C000DFD18000051252160281060070B0B0E03D203@att.net>
	<45286348.8000402@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <000801c6ea86$37623ca0$250110ac@TINASLAPTOP>

Thanks... I  missed that I was looking at all so fast.  I'll probably look 
at them many times and stiill miss something.  I was not expecting the steps 
such as those.  Their walkways are  steps, how different.  I guess I had 
better get into a lot better shape myself.  Thanks for this Termini site to 
show us all that could not go.

Tina 





From m.maddi at att.net  Sun Oct  8 06:03:16 2006
From: m.maddi at att.net (Mike Maddi)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 03:03:16 +0000
Subject: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded
Message-ID: <100820060303.27492.45286A74000277A800006B642160281060070B0B0E03D203@att.net>

Laura,

I will look at my photos tomorrow and choose those I will send to you. I have a 5 megapixel camera so these photos are large. How do you want me to edit these in Photoshop Elements, as far as size goes?

Mike

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
> Due to the amount of pictures coming in that were taken, I separated them into 
> different topics.  I have uploaded over 230 pictures so far.
> 
> The pictures of the Duomo and the other churches we found, Ancestral Homes, 
> Streets, Finding Family, Food and Trips to other Towns  will be put up later as 
> more pictures come in for those topics.
> 
> The reason for the Duomo and other church picturs not being put up at this time 
> is that I bought a book about the history of the churches in TI and a book about 
> the history of the Duomo and I would like to include some of that history along 
> with the pictures when they go up.  I am also waiting on some pictures from 
> others of churches they took pictures of.
> 
> The pictures that were taken at the cemetery will not appear until we have 
> completed indexing the burial records Paul Caito filmed from 1910 thru 1971.  
> Our plans are to link the image (if available) to the burial record into a 
> database but this will take some time to get this all compiled.
> 
> So in the meantime, you can directly click the link on the main page for 
> Pictures of Past Reunions or go directly to:
> http://www.termini-imerese.org/Reunion/2006TI/Reunion2006.htm
> 
> 
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From kimsansone at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct  8 07:04:12 2006
From: kimsansone at sbcglobal.net (Kim Sansone)
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:04:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] My Trip
Message-ID: <20061008040412.67436.qmail@web81715.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well my cousin and I made it home from Rome.   We made
it to Rome with no problems.  We spent the next couple
of days wandering around the city.  A bit dirty and
not tourist friendly, but it was interesting.   We
actually ran into Jim and Elaine Corso on the street. 
 

We caught our flight from Rome to Chicago.  It went
smoothly, other than it was about 10 hours.   When we
got to Chicago to catch a flight at 5:45, we
discovered our flight had been cancelled.  So we had
to wait until 6:45.  I walked in the door about 10pm. 


Long day and very tired. 





From anniegoe at fyi.net  Sun Oct  8 07:40:00 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 00:40:00 -0400
Subject: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded
References: <100820060158.20773.45285B2C000DFD18000051252160281060070B0B0E03D203@att.net><45286348.8000402@madisontelco.com>
	<000801c6ea86$37623ca0$250110ac@TINASLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.153.17$.002301c6ea93$d1672dd0$119950ce@DJZBSK81>

I pictures the steps to be a long flight of  wide cement steps leading up to 
the sky.
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tina Sansone" <Gtownma at midsouth.rr.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded


> Thanks... I  missed that I was looking at all so fast.  I'll probably look
> at them many times and stiill miss something.  I was not expecting the 
> steps
> such as those.  Their walkways are  steps, how different.  I guess I had
> better get into a lot better shape myself.  Thanks for this Termini site 
> to
> show us all that could not go.
>
> Tina
>
>
>
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Sun Oct  8 12:06:30 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 04:06:30 -0500
Subject: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded
In-Reply-To: <100820060303.27492.45286A74000277A800006B642160281060070B0B0E03D203@att.net>
References: <100820060303.27492.45286A74000277A800006B642160281060070B0B0E03D203@att.net>
Message-ID: <4528BF96.90104@madisontelco.com>

Please don't edit them........send then just the way they are.  I will 
resize them down here so that they are all the same size when uploaded.

Mike Maddi wrote:

>Laura,
>
>I will look at my photos tomorrow and choose those I will send to you. I have a 5 megapixel camera so these photos are large. How do you want me to edit these in Photoshop Elements, as far as size goes?
>
>Mike
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
>  
>
>>Due to the amount of pictures coming in that were taken, I separated them into 
>>different topics.  I have uploaded over 230 pictures so far.
>>
>>The pictures of the Duomo and the other churches we found, Ancestral Homes, 
>>Streets, Finding Family, Food and Trips to other Towns  will be put up later as 
>>more pictures come in for those topics.
>>
>>The reason for the Duomo and other church picturs not being put up at this time 
>>is that I bought a book about the history of the churches in TI and a book about 
>>the history of the Duomo and I would like to include some of that history along 
>>with the pictures when they go up.  I am also waiting on some pictures from 
>>others of churches they took pictures of.
>>
>>The pictures that were taken at the cemetery will not appear until we have 
>>completed indexing the burial records Paul Caito filmed from 1910 thru 1971.  
>>Our plans are to link the image (if available) to the burial record into a 
>>database but this will take some time to get this all compiled.
>>
>>So in the meantime, you can directly click the link on the main page for 
>>Pictures of Past Reunions or go directly to:
>>http://www.termini-imerese.org/Reunion/2006TI/Reunion2006.htm
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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From LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com  Sun Oct  8 07:25:08 2006
From: LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com (LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 00:25:08 EDT
Subject: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded
Message-ID: <4fc.ad37632.3259d7a4@aol.com>

I saw the steps I'll have to conquer in five years!!!!   
 
Oh, the pictures are just wonderful, thank you all so much for taking these  
wonderful shots, and for uploading them so quickly.  It gives us that  didn't 
go a feeling that we did. 
 
Ch? bello!
 
In a message dated 10/7/2006 9:50:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
rngade57 at madisontelco.com writes:
look at VIA ROMA

Tina Sansone  wrote:

>To see the record of Sansone was so exciting.  OH how  exciting to see the  
>pictures.
>
>Tina
>
>PS  would love to see  these "steps" we heard mentioned if available.  
>
>
>
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From LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com  Sun Oct  8 07:27:22 2006
From: LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com (LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 00:27:22 EDT
Subject: [TI] SANSONE RECORD
Message-ID: <bce.46cc779.3259d82a@aol.com>

Wouldn't it be wonderful if all the records were as clear as the Sansone  
record!!  It was perfect!
 
In a message dated 10/7/2006 9:47:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
Gtownma at midsouth.rr.com writes:
To see the record of Sansone was so  exciting.  OH how exciting to see the  
pictures.

Tina

PS  would love to see these "steps" we  heard mentioned if available.  



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From LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com  Sun Oct  8 08:57:29 2006
From: LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com (LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 01:57:29 EDT
Subject: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded
Message-ID: <52a.818f9e9.3259ed49@aol.com>

At least they are not steep steps.  But they are a lot.  I  noticed that 
everyone had their walking shoes on!
 
In a message dated 10/7/2006 11:41:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
anniegoe at fyi.net writes:
I pictures the steps to be a long flight of   wide cement steps leading up to 
the sky.
Ann
----- Original Message  ----- 
From: "Tina Sansone" <Gtownma at midsouth.rr.com>
To:  <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006  11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded


>  Thanks... I  missed that I was looking at all so fast.  I'll probably  look
> at them many times and stiill miss something.  I was not  expecting the 
> steps
> such as those.  Their walkways  are  steps, how different.  I guess I had
> better get into a  lot better shape myself.  Thanks for this Termini site 
> to
>  show us all that could not go.
>
>  Tina
>
>
>
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From sah71052 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  8 11:23:07 2006
From: sah71052 at yahoo.com (Sheryl Hartnett)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 01:23:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
In-Reply-To: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.153.78$.001c01c6ea6d$99862cc0$4e9950ce@DJZBSK81>
Message-ID: <20061008082307.17912.qmail@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Don't feel bad, Ann.  Tome Teresi was the last one up
ONLY because he was behind me to make sure I made it
up.  I don't do steps either.  I only did them ONCE!! 
Next time, you and I can call for a ride and wait for
everyone else at the top!  LOL
Sheryl  :)

--- anniegoe <anniegoe at fyi.net> wrote:

> I can't do steps.  I would be out of breath!   I am
> washing clothes, and I 
> have to go down the cellar steps, my loads are
> spaced far apart.  So if I 
> left now, I may see you at the top in five years. 
> One step at a time!!!! 
> No wonder my family died young in Termini. They were
> Alta!
> Ann
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 7:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
> 
> 
> > Start doing a stairmaster now. One thing Termini
> is not is handicapped 
> > accessible! If you can't do steps, you will need a
> car for sure. Even some 
> > of the roads are steps!
> >
> > Corie
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "anniegoe" <anniegoe at fyi.net>
> > To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 3:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time &
> money
> >
> >
> >> Can you make 99 steps?
> >> Ann
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: <LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com>
> >> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:17 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time &
> money
> >>
> >>
> >> >I will. I'll be on that next trip!
> >> >
> >> > Diane
> >> >
> >> > In a message dated 10/7/2006 11:13:13 A.M.
> Central Daylight Time,
> >> > rngade57 at madisontelco.com writes:
> >> > Then start saving your pennies 
> NOW............we are going back in 5
> >> > years -  2011
> >> >
> >> > LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Corie,
> >> >>
> >> >>Reading the account of your experiences makes
> me feel like I was on 
> >> >>that
> >> >>trip with you all.  How I wish I could have
> been.   Number one on my
> >> >>"Life
> >> > List"
> >> >>is to go to Sicily.
> >> >>
> >> >>Diane
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Sun Oct  8 12:24:09 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 04:24:09 -0500
Subject: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded
In-Reply-To: <52a.818f9e9.3259ed49@aol.com>
References: <52a.818f9e9.3259ed49@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4528C3B9.8050105@madisontelco.com>

The pictures do not do justice to the steepness of the steps - they ARE 
steep as you are continuously walking uphill or downhill the whole time 
even between the steps.  They are NOT like our steps at all.  You walk a 
bit on cobblestones 4-5 steps at an incline, then take a larger step 
than what we are used to up to the next section.

LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:

>At least they are not steep steps.  But they are a lot.  I  noticed that 
>everyone had their walking shoes on!
> 
>In a message dated 10/7/2006 11:41:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
>anniegoe at fyi.net writes:
>I pictures the steps to be a long flight of   wide cement steps leading up to 
>the sky.
>Ann
>----- Original Message  ----- 
>From: "Tina Sansone" <Gtownma at midsouth.rr.com>
>To:  <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006  11:02 PM
>Subject: Re: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded
>
>
>  
>
>> Thanks... I  missed that I was looking at all so fast.  I'll probably  look
>>at them many times and stiill miss something.  I was not  expecting the 
>>steps
>>such as those.  Their walkways  are  steps, how different.  I guess I had
>>better get into a  lot better shape myself.  Thanks for this Termini site 
>>to
>> show us all that could not go.
>>
>> Tina
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
>>    
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From jotd at myclearwave.net  Sun Oct  8 13:23:58 2006
From: jotd at myclearwave.net (Josie Daly)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:23:58 -0500
Subject: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded
References: <100820060158.20773.45285B2C000DFD18000051252160281060070B0B0E03D203@att.net>
	<45286348.8000402@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c6eac3$de370d70$6401a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>

Laura-Would it be possible to identify the woman in the second picture 
listed under Gala Dinner.  She has a STRONG family resemblance to my family. 
If is is possible, thank you.  Josie Mesi Daly
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laura Johnson" <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:32 PM
Subject: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded


> Due to the amount of pictures coming in that were taken, I separated them 
> into different topics.  I have uploaded over 230 pictures so far.
>
> The pictures of the Duomo and the other churches we found, Ancestral 
> Homes, Streets, Finding Family, Food and Trips to other Towns  will be put 
> up later as more pictures come in for those topics.
>
> The reason for the Duomo and other church picturs not being put up at this 
> time is that I bought a book about the history of the churches in TI and a 
> book about the history of the Duomo and I would like to include some of 
> that history along with the pictures when they go up.  I am also waiting 
> on some pictures from others of churches they took pictures of.
>
> The pictures that were taken at the cemetery will not appear until we have 
> completed indexing the burial records Paul Caito filmed from 1910 thru 
> 1971.  Our plans are to link the image (if available) to the burial record 
> into a database but this will take some time to get this all compiled.
>
> So in the meantime, you can directly click the link on the main page for 
> Pictures of Past Reunions or go directly to:
> http://www.termini-imerese.org/Reunion/2006TI/Reunion2006.htm
>
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From jlip37 at verizon.net  Sun Oct  8 20:57:11 2006
From: jlip37 at verizon.net (Joan Petrulis)
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 12:57:11 -0500
Subject: [TI] Quattrocchi
References: <5221131f0610070728x6557b626p67985e789ccca485@mail.gmail.com>
	<4527D307.30302@madisontelco.com>
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Hi. I met my cousin Teresa Indovina Todaro in Termini on the trip. I found 
out her grandmother was Concetta Quattrocchi, married to Giuseppe Indovina, 
engineer. Does any of that sound familiar to you?
Joan Petrulis


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. J. Quattrocchi" <aj4eyes at sympatico.ca>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] thanks for all the trip stories!


> Laura I am sure enjoying all the stories of the trips to TI, I would have 
> liked to go, but in 5 years for the next trip I will be about 90 and that 
> is a question mark, waitng for cousin Madeleine to get home on the 15th to 
> hear what she found out, enjoy your memories. A.J. Quattrocchi a 100% 
> Termitani.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Laura Johnson" <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] thanks for all the trip stories!
>
>
>> Pictures..........groan!
>>
>> There are so many to chose from.  I took well over 2500 pictures alone
>> including those I did in the cemetery.
>>
>> working on it........slowly........trying to organize them into groups
>>
>> Donna Guiffre wrote:
>>
>> >thanks so much to everyone for letting us know what your trip was
>> >like.  I find myself reading every line of every note!  I just wish I
>> >could have been with you,  I have not yet been fortunate enough to
>> >meet any of you so truly look forward to the day when I can.  Your
>> >stories are helping us all get a feeling for what the trip must have
>> >been like.
>> >
>> >I too can't wait to see all the pictures!
>> >
>> >Thanks so much!!!
>> >
>> >Donna Guiffre
>> >
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From corielind at msn.com  Sun Oct  8 23:11:56 2006
From: corielind at msn.com (Corie Lindemann)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 15:11:56 -0500
Subject: [TI] TI cemetery & burials
References: <5221131f0610070728x6557b626p67985e789ccca485@mail.gmail.com><4527D307.30302@madisontelco.com><BAYC1-PASMTP07799741C49C97BC0D568684100@CEZ.ICE>
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One of the most fascinating part of the trip was wandering around the 
cemetery. (When it was open!) We took a lot of photos of the stones and 
mausoleums, and saw a lot of family names on the stones. There were quite a 
few Bondi gravestones, and I'm trying to connect them to my family, but no 
luck so far. I did find the burial record for my great great grandfather, 
Agostino Bondi, from 1905. He is buried in the old section B of the 
cemetery. He doesn't have a stone. As I understand it,
if the family doesn't pay the "rent" on the cemetery plot after about 20
years, the bones are moved to an area in the middle of the section and left
unmarked. It was rather sad. The center of the section of gravestones is a 
rather bare area with dirt and broken stones and maybe a few old iron 
crosses.
This has happened to the ancestors of several of the
people on the trip. That's why we saw several generations of families buried
in the same plot, same gravestone, now. They stack the coffins, and add 
marble
plates to the top or sides of headstones with names and photos. The later 
generations then pay for the rent. Most of the stones only go back to early 
1900s.
We saw several burials while we were at the cemetery on Monday. It was very
matter-of-fact, not ceremonial like I expected. Before the entourage gets
there, the cemetery workers pry off the marble cover to the tomb. The hearse
drives in, followed by the mourners on foot. The workers tie a big rope
around the coffin and lower it in to the ground. Then they put the marble
slab back on top and that's it. No priest there, no ceremony or audible
prayers. Then everyone leaves. It maybe takes about 15-20 minutes. I was 
really hoping to see a little more ceremony with it, but it was not to be. 
Whatever happened to those legendary paid mourners who loudly weep and carry 
on?

Corie 




From erbudry at sc.rr.com  Mon Oct  9 02:40:32 2006
From: erbudry at sc.rr.com (Elizabeth Budry)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:40:32 -0400
Subject: [TI] My Trip
In-Reply-To: <20061007120410.84991.qmail@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000201c6eb33$279985f0$6501a8c0@Office>

But Cheryl, you left out the best part.  How many of us had a Sicilian
policeman named Agostino looking for us?

Elizabeth Budry

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Sheryl
Hartnett
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 7:04 AM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: [TI] My Trip

My trip started out sitting in the plane for 5 hours
AT THE GATE in St. Louis.  They let us off then for a
while and we reboarded.  Then sat for another 1  1/2
hours on the runway waiting for weather in Chicago to
subside (heavy storms and tornadoes). I made it just
in time to be one of the last to board the flight with
Terry in Chicago.  That plane's windshield wiper was
broken and they replaced it.  But they replaced the
wrong one.  Then borrowed a wiper from the plane I
came in on and we finally left and was off to Rome,
via London. Our flight was originally to land in Rome
at 1:35 pm Sat. the 23rd.  We deboarded at 8:45pm...7
hrs and 15 min late.  My newly found cousin, Rose Khan
from Brooklyn was waiting for us.  Her plane landed at
11:30 am that morning. 

Terry, Nancy Yesu and niece, Kari, Nancy Colby and her
friend, Gari, my cousin, Rose Khan, and I stayed 4
days in Rome before flying to Palermo on the 27th.  I
highly recommend the trip to Rome.  We stayed at a
quaint hotel that was closely located near the Forum
and Colliseum...Hotel Perugia.  Within walking
distance to the Circus Maximus, Palatine Hill and the
Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.  A longer walk or short
bus ride to Piazza Navona, Pantheon, Trevi Fountain
and the Spanish Steps is well worth the time.  

I would not recommend a scheduled tour of the Vatican.
 The tours are shuffled through too fast and pictures
are not an option going that fast especially for the
price, 42 euros.  Take the tour on your own. Also,
they were not stopping at St. Peter's Bacillica, only
driving by.  We left the tour so we could see St.
Peter's.  I think you could have spent a week or two,
24 hours straight each day and not see everything
there is to see in St. Peter's.  Truly breaktaking.

In Termini, the thought of being on the same roads as
my ancestors, struck me with awe.  The view from the
hotel of the mountains and Mediterranian sea port was
beautiful and ever changing as hours past and the
shawdows of the sun made the view different with every
glance.  

The people went about their daily routines as we
invade the streets with cameras in hand and tears in
our eyes.  What was "everyday" to them was life
changing for us. They were very patient with the
Americani when we tried to garble out our rendition of
the Sicilian language.  But they seemed to always
understand what we tried to convey.

I was exceptionally blessed on this trip to meet with
several (close to about a dozen families) of my Bova
family members.  Some having information and pictures
to share.  Some taking me into their homes and
preparing succulant meals that would fill an elephant.
 THESE PEOPLE LIKE TO EAT!!!  Showing me family
photos, antiques, wedding presents, etc.  Giving me
gifts to take home to America. I also collected email
and snail mail addresses of the family I met so we can
keep in touch. Family was the biggest reason for me
taking this trip and it was more that worth it.

I must admit I didn't get to see much of Termini or
take the day tours.  I figure it will be a good reason
to go back again and bring my family. 

My flights home left ALOT to be desired.  I found the
serpentine line for American Flights to Chicago. 
Stood in that line for 40 min. only to hear I should
be at Alitalia.  Stood in Alitalia's serpentine line
for 50 min to hear that for some unknown reason the
airline, Alitalia, said that their computer had it
that I got to London coming over and the rest of my
ticket had been canceled!!!  NOT!  I was standing in
Rome at the time, wasn't I???  So they hussled me to a
Continental flight that left later than my scheduled
flight.  
Got to Newark LATE, missed that flight, rescheduled
onto another flight to Chicago.  Got to Chicago (about
9:35 pm) way too late for my scheduled flight (6:45
pm) to St. Louis.  They rescheduled me at 9:45 pm on a
10:10 pm flight, handed me a boarding pass and then
said I wasn't in time to check my luggage to make that
flight( must be 40 mins before the flight)....THE LAST
OF THE NIGHT!!  I was then put on a flight leaving at
6:55 am the next morning (Oct 5th), given a boarding
pass for that flight and spent the night in the
airport.  My husband could have driven to O'Hare,
picked me up  and drove us back home in the time span
I waited for the plane.  LOL    I was never so glad to
be home after all that. By the time I reached my house
I had had about an hour's dozing in 3 days straight
(considering the time changes).  Needless to say, I
have been sleeping on and off since.  And plan to do
more to catch up.

Sheryl  :)









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From erbudry at sc.rr.com  Mon Oct  9 03:00:52 2006
From: erbudry at sc.rr.com (Elizabeth Budry)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:00:52 -0400
Subject: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
In-Reply-To: <4527D2AE.2060102@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <000001c6eb35$fc53c420$6501a8c0@Office>

Laura:

Count us in for 2011.  Much more to see and do, and enjoy that wonderful
city of Termini Imerese.

Elizabeth Budry 

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Laura
Johnson
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 11:16 AM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money

Then start saving your pennies NOW............we are going back in 5 
years - 2011

LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:

>Corie,
> 
>Reading the account of your experiences makes me feel like I was on that  
>trip with you all.  How I wish I could have been.  Number one on my  "Life
List" 
>is to go to Sicily.  
> 
>Diane
> 
>In a message dated 10/7/2006 8:37:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
>corielind at msn.com writes:
>You know, one thing that really struck me about  Sicily is that timetables 
>and schedules are "just a suggestion" (as Sharon  Reif so aptly put it). 
>Stores say they open at 8 and someone wanders around  8:40 to open it up. 
>This happened multiple times. But I had been warned  (thanks to Rick Steves

>travel books), so it was sort of expected. I had to  remind myself I was on

>"Sicilian time". It also helped me understand that my  sister's chronic 
>tardiness is just part of her Sicilian heritage! I did find  it
interesting, 
>though, that they never were a minute late when closing for  the afternoon 
>break!!
>
>I also found it interesting that public  employees would purposely 
>shortchange you and not think a thing of it. When  we arrived at Palermo 
>Centrale, we went to buy tickets for the train to  Termini. We made the 
>mistake of asking the ticket seller if he spoke English  (NO!) and he 
>proceeded to shortchange several of us by 10 Euro each. By the  time we 
>figured it out, the line was too long to go back and argue. And we  were
not 
>proficient in arguing in Sicilian (which EVERYONE who lives there  seems to

>be). The Sicilians are passionate arguers! We witnessed some  incredible
road 
>rage on the bus on the way to Palermo... Drivers getting out  of their tiny

>little cars and arguing, shouting and gesturing to each  other...
repeatedly! 
>Even the bus driver hung out the window and got in to  the argument.
>
>Now the little old man in Termini who shortchanged Sheryl  and I was a 
>different case. I'm convinced he was a confused dementia case  who couldn't

>see the bills or the coins without holding them a few inches  from his
face. 
>The interesting thing was, that as soon as we figured out  there was a 
>problem with the change, several people came in to the store and  started 
>shouting in Sicilian. Not sure if they were shouting at us, at the  
>storekeeper, or just because they like to shout. Discussions always seemed

>to take on a loud passionate pitch with lots of gesturing. I think one of  
>them thought we were trying to rip the poor old guy off. But it suddenly  
>became the afternoon entertainment in that little store!  We should  have 
>charged admission! Sheryl found two younger Sicilian girls who tried to
help 
>translate, but even they shook their head after some time and said "he  is
an 
>old man, he is confused".
>
>The other interesting thing was that  the price of gelati in the Dolce
Vienna 
>pasticcieria on Via Mazzini went up  incrementally each day. It went from 
>$2.25 on Thursday, to $2.50 on Sunday  to $3.00 by the time we left. By the

>last day, I could clearly tell that the  girl was asking the manager "what 
>are we charging the Americani  today?"  I guess it was the law of supply
and 
>demand. They did almost  have the corner on the market in the afternoons. 
>Nothing else was open  around there.
>
>I will say that this was not totally the rule. When Sheryl  explained her 
>frustration (!) with the old shopkeeper to the guy at another  shop
(Sicilia 
>Lumie?), he actually apologized for all of Sicily! He even  offered to gift

>wrap whatever we bought at the old man's shop for  us.
>
>Generally, the shopkeepers were friendly, as long as you tried to  speak 
>Italian.  I clearly did not learn enough of the language before I  got
there, 
>but by the end, I was getting by with a few key words and phrases  and a
lot 
>of pointing. I also learned to wait to pay the bill until you  could
actually 
>see the numbers on the receipt. Much less chance of getting  shortchanged.
It 
>gave me an opportunity to count out the money that required  the LEAST
amount 
>of change possible!
>
>This was all just part of the  amazing experience in Sicily. The
friendliness 
>of all the people far  outweighed the few negatives. (yes, even the 
>soup/cheese/butter nazi  waiters) Walking up and down the many many streets

>of TI, we were constantly  greeted with "buon giorno", even as they looked
at 
>us curiously. Once we  responded "buon giorno", they smiled and went on
their 
>way. I can't say that  would have happened walking the streets of my
hometown 
> 
>here.
>
>Corie
>
>
>
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From fpalmis at comcast.net  Mon Oct  9 04:25:59 2006
From: fpalmis at comcast.net (Frank Sr.)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:25:59 -0500
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
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Message-ID: <LOBBLKKLDJDGJKFLCLLEMEBFEDAA.fpalmis@comcast.net>



I've put my pics into a slide show that you can view at
http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you are using a dial-up
connection.

Thanks!!

Frank Palmisano




From sreif1956 at comcast.net  Mon Oct  9 05:19:58 2006
From: sreif1956 at comcast.net (sreif1956 at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 02:19:58 +0000
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
Message-ID: <100920060219.16979.4529B1CE00048AAC000042532200760180C0CAC7CE00070A9D9C@comcast.net>

Frank, your photos are wonderful.  Great job!  Sharon
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
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> 
> 
> I've put my pics into a slide show that you can view at
> http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you are using a dial-up
> connection.
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> Frank Palmisano
> 
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Mon Oct  9 05:23:47 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 22:23:47 -0400
Subject: [TI] TI cemetery & burials
References: <5221131f0610070728x6557b626p67985e789ccca485@mail.gmail.com><4527D307.30302@madisontelco.com><BAYC1-PASMTP07799741C49C97BC0D568684100@CEZ.ICE><009f01c6eb03$2ebe23c0$4001a8c0@Gonzo>
	<BAY108-DAV72C1EBA6324C6CDF1B6B5B8110@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.68$.007a01c6eb49$f6f21cc0$449a50ce@DJZBSK81>

Cory you said you saw quite a few Bondi gravestones.  When I go to the 
cemetery I see quite a few Bondi gravestones.  They are in part of our 
family section.  The Bondi  ancestors put flowers on one of the Greco 
cousins grave.  I know we have a Bondi connection or why  would they be 
doing that.  This is many generations later.  If I could camp out over 
Memorial Day I would find out.
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 4:11 PM
Subject: [TI] TI cemetery & burials


> One of the most fascinating part of the trip was wandering around the 
> cemetery. (When it was open!) We took a lot of photos of the stones and 
> mausoleums, and saw a lot of family names on the stones. There were quite 
> a few Bondi gravestones, and I'm trying to connect them to my family, but 
> no luck so far. I did find the burial record for my great great 
> grandfather, Agostino Bondi, from 1905. He is buried in the old section B 
> of the cemetery. He doesn't have a stone. As I understand it,
> if the family doesn't pay the "rent" on the cemetery plot after about 20
> years, the bones are moved to an area in the middle of the section and 
> left
> unmarked. It was rather sad. The center of the section of gravestones is a 
> rather bare area with dirt and broken stones and maybe a few old iron 
> crosses.
> This has happened to the ancestors of several of the
> people on the trip. That's why we saw several generations of families 
> buried
> in the same plot, same gravestone, now. They stack the coffins, and add 
> marble
> plates to the top or sides of headstones with names and photos. The later 
> generations then pay for the rent. Most of the stones only go back to 
> early 1900s.
> We saw several burials while we were at the cemetery on Monday. It was 
> very
> matter-of-fact, not ceremonial like I expected. Before the entourage gets
> there, the cemetery workers pry off the marble cover to the tomb. The 
> hearse
> drives in, followed by the mourners on foot. The workers tie a big rope
> around the coffin and lower it in to the ground. Then they put the marble
> slab back on top and that's it. No priest there, no ceremony or audible
> prayers. Then everyone leaves. It maybe takes about 15-20 minutes. I was 
> really hoping to see a little more ceremony with it, but it was not to be. 
> Whatever happened to those legendary paid mourners who loudly weep and 
> carry on?
>
> Corie
>
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From mygirl at ctc.net  Mon Oct  9 05:48:08 2006
From: mygirl at ctc.net (Rosalie)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 22:48:08 -0400
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
References: <LOBBLKKLDJDGJKFLCLLEMEBFEDAA.fpalmis@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <010b01c6eb4d$5acc85c0$6400a8c0@Rosalie>

Pictures are very nice.  Thank you for sharing.  
Rosalie Amison
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:25 PM
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


> 
> 
> I've put my pics into a slide show that you can view at
> http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you are using a dial-up
> connection.
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> Frank Palmisano





From Gtownma at midsouth.rr.com  Mon Oct  9 05:53:07 2006
From: Gtownma at midsouth.rr.com (Tina Sansone)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 21:53:07 -0500
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
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	<010b01c6eb4d$5acc85c0$6400a8c0@Rosalie>
Message-ID: <000b01c6eb4e$0d65f540$250110ac@TINASLAPTOP>

I am so truly thankful for the stories and pictures.  I will share them with 
the family here.  I esp. am thankful for the  Cefula pics as I just 
discovered one of my best friends has ancestors, Saia from there.  She and 
her famly will love seeing these pictures as well. Thank you so much for 
sharing.

Tina Sansone. 





From corielind at msn.com  Mon Oct  9 06:03:13 2006
From: corielind at msn.com (Corie Lindemann)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 22:03:13 -0500
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
References: <LOBBLKKLDJDGJKFLCLLEMEBFEDAA.fpalmis@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY108-DAV111E002E3FFB20BCE26A78B8160@phx.gbl>

Great pictures, Frank! I like the fades in and out too! I like the photos of 
Trabia, too. I spent a few hours there (my other ancestral home), but didn't 
get to see that area very much.
Thanks for sharing!

Corie



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From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 8:25 PM
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


>
>
> I've put my pics into a slide show that you can view at
> http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you are using a dial-up
> connection.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Frank Palmisano
>
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Mon Oct  9 06:19:17 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 23:19:17 -0400
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
References: <100920060219.16979.4529B1CE00048AAC000042532200760180C0CAC7CE00070A9D9C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.68$.000601c6eb51$b53f4a20$449a50ce@DJZBSK81>

I saw the Giuffre picture and nothing else.  How does it go to the next 
picture.  I waited.
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <sreif1956 at comcast.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


> Frank, your photos are wonderful.  Great job!  Sharon
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
>>
>>
>> I've put my pics into a slide show that you can view at
>> http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you are using a dial-up
>> connection.
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> Frank Palmisano
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TerminiImerese mailing list
>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>
>
>
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Mon Oct  9 06:24:42 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 23:24:42 -0400
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
References: <100920060219.16979.4529B1CE00048AAC000042532200760180C0CAC7CE00070A9D9C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.68$.001e01c6eb52$76b13b50$449a50ce@DJZBSK81>

Can anyone tell me how I can see them all.  Only saw the stone of Giuffre.
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <sreif1956 at comcast.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


> Frank, your photos are wonderful.  Great job!  Sharon
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
>>
>>
>> I've put my pics into a slide show that you can view at
>> http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you are using a dial-up
>> connection.
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> Frank Palmisano
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TerminiImerese mailing list
>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
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>
> 




From anniegoe at fyi.net  Mon Oct  9 12:38:56 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 05:38:56 -0400
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
References: <LOBBLKKLDJDGJKFLCLLEMEBFEDAA.fpalmis@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.68$.003101c6eb86$be6e4300$449a50ce@DJZBSK81>

Frank, I saw all your wonderful pictures.  I could not get it started. I 
left my computer on all night, it was "stuck" on the first picture.  I got 
up at 4:00AM looked at the computer, and it started by itself.
One by one!  What a gife to us.   The street Teresi is where my family 
lived.
Thank you.
Ann Riggio from Pittsburgh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:25 PM
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


>
>
> I've put my pics into a slide show that you can view at
> http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you are using a dial-up
> connection.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Frank Palmisano
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> 




From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Mon Oct  9 12:58:58 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 04:58:58 -0500
Subject: [TI] Regards from the Mayor of Termini Imerese
In-Reply-To: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.68$.003101c6eb86$be6e4300$449a50ce@DJZBSK81>
References: <LOBBLKKLDJDGJKFLCLLEMEBFEDAA.fpalmis@comcast.net>
	<anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.68$.003101c6eb86$be6e4300$449a50ce@DJZBSK81>
Message-ID: <452A1D62.1020002@madisontelco.com>

On Friday afternoon, I sent Enzo Giunta an email thanking him for taking the time to meet with us at his office.  He sent an email back a few minutes ago:

Dear Termini Group:
It was my pleasure to meet with all of you.  I really enjoyed seeing so many people who were interested in our fine city at one time.  Please feel free to stop in to see me anytime you are in Termini.
Enzo Giunta






From kimsansone at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct  9 15:32:19 2006
From: kimsansone at sbcglobal.net (Kim Sansone)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 05:32:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
Message-ID: <20061009123219.60731.qmail@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

While in Termini Imerese I was able to obtain a 2004-
2005 Palermo province phone book, from a very nice
store owner.  I have made copies of the Termini
Imerese pages, which I will mail to Laura and she is
going to put on the website for easy access to the
group. 

If anyone needs any information for cities other than
Termini that are located in the Palermo province,
please let me know and I will be happy to look the
information up for you. 

Kim Sansone 



From kimsansone at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct  9 15:32:44 2006
From: kimsansone at sbcglobal.net (Kim Sansone)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 05:32:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] To Tom Teresi
Message-ID: <20061009123244.26413.qmail@web81714.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tom, 

Please send me your email address. 

Thanks 

Kim 



From kimsansone at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct  9 15:49:50 2006
From: kimsansone at sbcglobal.net (Kim Sansone)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 05:49:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Tina Sansone and Cefalu
Message-ID: <20061009124950.51369.qmail@web81713.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tina, 

Please contact me off list about Cefalu. Your email
went to my junk mail box and my finger was too quick
and I deleted the email.   

Kim Sansone 



From joseph at laiacona.org  Mon Oct  9 16:41:39 2006
From: joseph at laiacona.org (Joseph Laiacona)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:41:39 -0500
Subject: [TI] TI cemetery & burials
References: <5221131f0610070728x6557b626p67985e789ccca485@mail.gmail.com><4527D307.30302@madisontelco.com><BAYC1-PASMTP07799741C49C97BC0D568684100@CEZ.ICE><009f01c6eb03$2ebe23c0$4001a8c0@Gonzo><BAY108-DAV72C1EBA6324C6CDF1B6B5B8110@phx.gbl>
	<anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.68$.007a01c6eb49$f6f21cc0$449a50ce@DJZBSK81>
Message-ID: <006301c6eba8$a6b8a670$220110ac@JACK>

put a message in a small jar near the gravestone... or ask the Cemetery 
secretary to forward a letter to the gravesite owner.

Joe


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "anniegoe" <anniegoe at fyi.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] TI cemetery & burials


> Cory you said you saw quite a few Bondi gravestones.  When I go to the
> cemetery I see quite a few Bondi gravestones.  They are in part of our
> family section.  The Bondi  ancestors put flowers on one of the Greco
> cousins grave.  I know we have a Bondi connection or why  would they be
> doing that.  This is many generations later.  If I could camp out over
> Memorial Day I would find out.
> Ann
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 4:11 PM
> Subject: [TI] TI cemetery & burials
>
>
>> One of the most fascinating part of the trip was wandering around the
>> cemetery. (When it was open!) We took a lot of photos of the stones and
>> mausoleums, and saw a lot of family names on the stones. There were quite
>> a few Bondi gravestones, and I'm trying to connect them to my family, but
>> no luck so far. I did find the burial record for my great great
>> grandfather, Agostino Bondi, from 1905. He is buried in the old section B
>> of the cemetery. He doesn't have a stone. As I understand it,
>> if the family doesn't pay the "rent" on the cemetery plot after about 20
>> years, the bones are moved to an area in the middle of the section and
>> left
>> unmarked. It was rather sad. The center of the section of gravestones is 
>> a
>> rather bare area with dirt and broken stones and maybe a few old iron
>> crosses.
>> This has happened to the ancestors of several of the
>> people on the trip. That's why we saw several generations of families
>> buried
>> in the same plot, same gravestone, now. They stack the coffins, and add
>> marble
>> plates to the top or sides of headstones with names and photos. The later
>> generations then pay for the rent. Most of the stones only go back to
>> early 1900s.
>> We saw several burials while we were at the cemetery on Monday. It was
>> very
>> matter-of-fact, not ceremonial like I expected. Before the entourage gets
>> there, the cemetery workers pry off the marble cover to the tomb. The
>> hearse
>> drives in, followed by the mourners on foot. The workers tie a big rope
>> around the coffin and lower it in to the ground. Then they put the marble
>> slab back on top and that's it. No priest there, no ceremony or audible
>> prayers. Then everyone leaves. It maybe takes about 15-20 minutes. I was
>> really hoping to see a little more ceremony with it, but it was not to 
>> be.
>> Whatever happened to those legendary paid mourners who loudly weep and
>> carry on?
>>
>> Corie
>>
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From m.maddi at att.net  Mon Oct  9 17:49:18 2006
From: m.maddi at att.net (Mike Maddi)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:49:18 +0000
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
Message-ID: <100920061449.14176.452A616E0005F70D000037602161243646070B0B0E03D203@att.net>

Great picture show. I noticed that Martin Scorsese's new movie opened over the weekend with record revenues. The only reason he doesn't fear you as a rival is that you haven't gotten into the "talkies" yet.

Mike


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
> 
> 
> I've put my pics into a slide show that you can view at
> http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you are using a dial-up
> connection.
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> Frank Palmisano
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org





From nellie at woh.rr.com  Mon Oct  9 17:55:10 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:55:10 -0400
Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
References: <20061009123219.60731.qmail@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301c6ebb2$eb0e0b30$6601a8c0@momshp>

Do you have any Lamantias in Trabia???
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kim Sansone" <kimsansone at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Termini Website" <Terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book


> While in Termini Imerese I was able to obtain a 2004-
> 2005 Palermo province phone book, from a very nice
> store owner.  I have made copies of the Termini
> Imerese pages, which I will mail to Laura and she is
> going to put on the website for easy access to the
> group.
>
> If anyone needs any information for cities other than
> Termini that are located in the Palermo province,
> please let me know and I will be happy to look the
> information up for you.
>
> Kim Sansone
>
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> 





From fpalmis at comcast.net  Mon Oct  9 18:30:09 2006
From: fpalmis at comcast.net (Frank Sr.)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:30:09 -0500
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
In-Reply-To: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.68$.000601c6eb51$b53f4a20$449a50ce@DJZBSK81>
Message-ID: <LOBBLKKLDJDGJKFLCLLEIECBEDAA.fpalmis@comcast.net>

Ann, if you use a dial-up connection, it takes a while to load, maybe a long
while depending on your PC, other programs you might have running, etc.
Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: anniegoe [mailto:anniegoe at fyi.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:19 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


I saw the Giuffre picture and nothing else.  How does it go to the next
picture.  I waited.
Ann
----- Original Message -----
From: <sreif1956 at comcast.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


> Frank, your photos are wonderful.  Great job!  Sharon
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
>>
>>
>> I've put my pics into a slide show that you can view at
>> http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you are using a dial-up
>> connection.
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> Frank Palmisano
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TerminiImerese mailing list
>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>
>







From fpalmis at comcast.net  Mon Oct  9 18:33:28 2006
From: fpalmis at comcast.net (Frank Sr.)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:33:28 -0500
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-DAV111E002E3FFB20BCE26A78B8160@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <LOBBLKKLDJDGJKFLCLLEAECCEDAA.fpalmis@comcast.net>

The slide show was put together very easily with Microsoft Photo Story 3 for
Windows.  It is a free download. The default is for random transition
effects but you can change those, the timing, and add music, etc.  It's
great!

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/digitalphotography/photostory/defau
lt.mspx

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Corie Lindemann [mailto:corielind at msn.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:03 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


Great pictures, Frank! I like the fades in and out too! I like the photos of
Trabia, too. I spent a few hours there (my other ancestral home), but didn't
get to see that area very much.
Thanks for sharing!

Corie



----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 8:25 PM
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


>
>
> I've put my pics into a slide show that you can view at
> http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you are using a dial-up
> connection.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Frank Palmisano
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>






From jlip37 at verizon.net  Mon Oct  9 18:37:10 2006
From: jlip37 at verizon.net (Joan Petrulis)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 10:37:10 -0500
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
References: <LOBBLKKLDJDGJKFLCLLEIECBEDAA.fpalmis@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000901c6ebb8$c9764900$4001a8c0@Gonzo>

Excellent pictures, Frank. I still haven't transferred mine to the computer 
yet. Joan P.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


> Ann, if you use a dial-up connection, it takes a while to load, maybe a 
> long
> while depending on your PC, other programs you might have running, etc.
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: anniegoe [mailto:anniegoe at fyi.net]
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:19 PM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
>
>
> I saw the Giuffre picture and nothing else.  How does it go to the next
> picture.  I waited.
> Ann
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <sreif1956 at comcast.net>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
>
>
>> Frank, your photos are wonderful.  Great job!  Sharon
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've put my pics into a slide show that you can view at
>>> http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you are using a dial-up
>>> connection.
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
>>>
>>> Frank Palmisano
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TerminiImerese mailing list
>>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>>
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TerminiImerese mailing list
>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org 




From sreif1956 at comcast.net  Mon Oct  9 20:23:34 2006
From: sreif1956 at comcast.net (sreif1956 at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 17:23:34 +0000
Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
Message-ID: <100920061723.25339.452A859600035C06000062FB2207300033C0CAC7CE00070A9D9C@comcast.net>

Hi Kim....is there a listing for the town of Belmonte Mezzagno in that phone book?  It is in the hills, not too far from the city of Palermo and Monreale.  I am looking for Pitti family listings.  My distant cousin, Fabio Pitti, in northern Italy tells me that many of the family now reside in this town.

Sharon
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Kim Sansone <kimsansone at sbcglobal.net>
> While in Termini Imerese I was able to obtain a 2004-
> 2005 Palermo province phone book, from a very nice
> store owner.  I have made copies of the Termini
> Imerese pages, which I will mail to Laura and she is
> going to put on the website for easy access to the
> group. 
> 
> If anyone needs any information for cities other than
> Termini that are located in the Palermo province,
> please let me know and I will be happy to look the
> information up for you. 
> 
> Kim Sansone 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org





From erbudry at sc.rr.com  Mon Oct  9 20:51:05 2006
From: erbudry at sc.rr.com (Elizabeth Budry)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:51:05 -0400
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLKKLDJDGJKFLCLLEAECCEDAA.fpalmis@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000301c6ebcb$80db1e10$6501a8c0@Office>

Frank:

Absolutely loved your slide show.  What a remembrance.

Elizabeth Budry

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Frank Sr.
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:33 AM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion

The slide show was put together very easily with Microsoft Photo Story 3 for
Windows.  It is a free download. The default is for random transition
effects but you can change those, the timing, and add music, etc.  It's
great!

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/digitalphotography/photostory/defau
lt.mspx

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Corie Lindemann [mailto:corielind at msn.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:03 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


Great pictures, Frank! I like the fades in and out too! I like the photos of
Trabia, too. I spent a few hours there (my other ancestral home), but didn't
get to see that area very much.
Thanks for sharing!

Corie



----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 8:25 PM
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


>
>
> I've put my pics into a slide show that you can view at
> http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you are using a dial-up
> connection.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Frank Palmisano
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>




_______________________________________________
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TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
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From kimsansone at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct  9 21:12:01 2006
From: kimsansone at sbcglobal.net (Kim Sansone)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:12:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
In-Reply-To: <100920061723.25339.452A859600035C06000062FB2207300033C0CAC7CE00070A9D9C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20061009181201.68807.qmail@web81714.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sharon, 

No Pitti's, but there are three Patti's, but no
Fabiano.  Agostino, Antonio and Benedetto. 

--- sreif1956 at comcast.net wrote:

> Hi Kim....is there a listing for the town of
> Belmonte Mezzagno in that phone book?  It is in the
> hills, not too far from the city of Palermo and
> Monreale.  I am looking for Pitti family listings. 
> My distant cousin, Fabio Pitti, in northern Italy
> tells me that many of the family now reside in this
> town.
> 
> Sharon
>  -------------- Original message
> ----------------------
> From: Kim Sansone <kimsansone at sbcglobal.net>
> > While in Termini Imerese I was able to obtain a
> 2004-
> > 2005 Palermo province phone book, from a very nice
> > store owner.  I have made copies of the Termini
> > Imerese pages, which I will mail to Laura and she
> is
> > going to put on the website for easy access to the
> > group. 
> > 
> > If anyone needs any information for cities other
> than
> > Termini that are located in the Palermo province,
> > please let me know and I will be happy to look the
> > information up for you. 
> > 
> > Kim Sansone 
> > 
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From jlip37 at verizon.net  Mon Oct  9 21:39:06 2006
From: jlip37 at verizon.net (Joan Petrulis)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:39:06 -0500
Subject: [TI] Ardissone-Caito (ATTN:Paul)
References: <20061004110543.61289.qmail@web36214.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BAY108-DAV120F405F1BDBE3932AD965B8120@phx.gbl>
	<00c101c6e883$cc2870c0$6401a8c0@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <000701c6ebd2$3698c940$4001a8c0@Gonzo>

Hi Paul,

I was just browsing through the personal information on the TI site and saw 
your entry for Ardizzone-Caito. When I checked for my grandfather's birth 
record in Termini it listed Dorotea Ardissone-Caito (prob. same surname as 
your zz entry) Do you know if you have any Chiaramonte or Battaglia surnames 
in that line?

Joan Petrulis



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul J. Caito" <pjcaito at frontiernet.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] Amazing TI trip


>I got home in one piece at 11 PM (EDT) on Wednesday and PROMPTLY went
> to be after being up for 23 hours of traveling.  Fortunately, no
> travel glitches - even my suitcase made it.  Now that I've had some
> rest it's off to work in another two hours.  Will write more later
> tonight.  What an amazing trip!
>
> The Cemetery records were digitally photographed from 1911 to 1971.
>
> Oh, one last thing - just remember that NEXT years' reunion is in
> Rochester, NY - probably the third or fourth weekend in September as
> per our usual schedule.
>
> Paul Caito
> Rochester, NY
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:42 PM
> Subject: [TI] Amazing TI trip
>
>
>>
>> Well gang, it was an amazing reunion in Termini Imerese! Certainly
> not
>> without glitches, but overall, I had a wonderful time walking the
> streets
>> (and ooohhhh the steps) our forefathers walked. Many of us found
> ancestral
>> homes and some even found relatives or possible relatives. A group
> took
>> digital pics of the cemetery records from about 1910-1940 (dates
> could be
>> off -- Paul Caito will confirm). We took photos of stones for a good
> part of
>> the cemetery. We toured the duomo, which was amazing. I got to see
> and touch
>> the baptismal fount where my great grandmother was baptized in the
> 1860s. It
>> gave me a much better sense of how our ancestors lived.
>> Many images will stick with me for a long time -- the view from the
> rooftop
>> of the hotel, looking out over the sea from the Belvedere, the
> narrow
>> streets of steps winding up the hills, the people shouting at each
> other
>> from the balconies across the skinny streets, the fish market, the
> crazy
>> drivers, the gelato and cannolis, but especially the little man
> selling
>> flowers in front of the cemetery, when we talked about our families
> and he
>> pointed to us and smiled and said in very broken English: "You
> Termitani,
>> si! You Termitani!!!" That just sent chills up my spine! Si, mi
>> Termitani!!!!
>> I'm sure Laura will get the stories and the photos posted when she
> recovers.
>> (I left her looking for baggage at O'Hare customs a few hours ago!)
> But I
>> wanted to give you all an update. Much more to come!!!!
>>
>> Ciao,
>> Corie
>>
>>
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From la_sin_ventura at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  9 22:30:05 2006
From: la_sin_ventura at yahoo.com (Christine Comella)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:30:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [TI] Welcome Back!
Message-ID: <20061009193005.38508.qmail@web54508.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Everyone:

Just want to say "welcome back" to all those who
recently returned from Termini-Imerese. You've all
been incredibly generous in sharing your photos,
stories and insights about your experience.

Next month, I hope to walk in my great-grandfather's
steps in Termini-Imerese for the first time, as part
of a two-week trip to Italy and Sicily.

Best,
Christine



From m.maddi at att.net  Mon Oct  9 23:32:55 2006
From: m.maddi at att.net (Mike Maddi)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 20:32:55 +0000
Subject: [TI] getting home
Message-ID: <100920062032.25002.452AB1F700004CA1000061AA2161243646070B0B0E03D203@att.net>

Terry,

Did you spend the night in the Rome airport too? Tonya and I took the overnight train from Termini Imerese to Rome to get our flight on Thursday morning. We thought that would be better than getting up early to get to Palermo for a flight to Rome.

Unfortunately, the train was late by an hour and a quarter. So we arrived at the Rome airport just barely before the flight was boarding and had baggage to check. If the train had gotten into Rome just 15 minutes earlier, we probably would have made our flight!

When I explained the train situation to the Continental ticket agent, she waived the fee for missing our flight and put us on the same flight the next morning. Meaning we had to spend the night in the airport. We had 36 euros left which allowed us to eat enough in the 24 hours we were there.

Mike

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Terry Skibiski <tskibiski at yahoo.com>
> I'm glad some people got home from Italy with no
> problems.  I not only missed my flight (due to
> multiple mis-information from Alitalia), but had to
> spend the night in the Airport, and then purchase a
> new ticket in order to get home.  But the trip was a
> truly uplifting, spiritual experience.  I hope those
> who didn't go this time will get an opportunity to
> experience it sometime.  I will write more later
> regarding the cemetery project.
> 
> Terry  
> 
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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  9 23:38:34 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:38:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] thanks for all the trip stories!
In-Reply-To: <5221131f0610070728x6557b626p67985e789ccca485@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061009203834.43632.qmail@web60312.mail.yahoo.com>

I agree with Donna!! Great stories from everyone. I am
also reading every line. Keep the memories coming!

Yes, I too, noticed that people do talk loud in Italy.
I noticed that the people in Naples talk even louder
than the Sicilians. The gentlest conversation sounds
like a heated argument! LOL

Ken Geraci

--- Donna Guiffre <guiffre at gmail.com> wrote:

> thanks so much to everyone for letting us know what
> your trip was
> like.  I find myself reading every line of every
> note!  I just wish I
> could have been with you,  I have not yet been
> fortunate enough to
> meet any of you so truly look forward to the day
> when I can.  Your
> stories are helping us all get a feeling for what
> the trip must have
> been like.
> 
> I too can't wait to see all the pictures!
> 
> Thanks so much!!!
> 
> Donna Guiffre
> 
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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  9 23:45:13 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:45:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Sicily - Sooner?
In-Reply-To: <005001c6ea51$298fd360$179950ce@DJZBSK81>
Message-ID: <20061009204513.52704.qmail@web60311.mail.yahoo.com>

Cousin Ann,

I think all of us who couldn't make it last week are
thinking about a trip sooner then five years. So
what's everyone doing next week? OK - maybe that's a
little too soon!

Perhaps in a year or so we could have an auxillary
trip? The rates are cheaper starting in October
(off-season). By then, some of those who went will be
ready to go back again!

This will be my 3rd trip to Italy if I go next time.

Ken Geraci

--- anniegoe <anniegoe at fyi.net> wrote:

> Maybe a little sooner???  We are getting old.  One
> thing I know, I can't do 
> 99 steps now.
> Ann
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Laura Johnson" <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
> 
> 
> > Then start saving your pennies NOW............we
> are going back in 5
> > years - 2011
> >
> > LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>Corie,
> >>
> >>Reading the account of your experiences makes me
> feel like I was on that
> >>trip with you all.  How I wish I could have been. 
> Number one on my  "Life 
> >>List"
> >>is to go to Sicily.
> >>
> >>Diane
> >>
> >>In a message dated 10/7/2006 8:37:24 A.M. Central
> Daylight Time,
> >>corielind at msn.com writes:
> >>You know, one thing that really struck me about 
> Sicily is that timetables
> >>and schedules are "just a suggestion" (as Sharon 
> Reif so aptly put it).
> >>Stores say they open at 8 and someone wanders
> around  8:40 to open it up.
> >>This happened multiple times. But I had been
> warned  (thanks to Rick 
> >>Steves
> >>travel books), so it was sort of expected. I had
> to  remind myself I was 
> >>on
> >>"Sicilian time". It also helped me understand that
> my  sister's chronic
> >>tardiness is just part of her Sicilian heritage! I
> did find  it 
> >>interesting,
> >>though, that they never were a minute late when
> closing for  the afternoon
> >>break!!
> >>
> >>I also found it interesting that public  employees
> would purposely
> >>shortchange you and not think a thing of it. When 
> we arrived at Palermo
> >>Centrale, we went to buy tickets for the train to 
> Termini. We made the
> >>mistake of asking the ticket seller if he spoke
> English  (NO!) and he
> >>proceeded to shortchange several of us by 10 Euro
> each. By the  time we
> >>figured it out, the line was too long to go back
> and argue. And we  were 
> >>not
> >>proficient in arguing in Sicilian (which EVERYONE
> who lives there  seems 
> >>to
> >>be). The Sicilians are passionate arguers! We
> witnessed some  incredible 
> >>road
> >>rage on the bus on the way to Palermo... Drivers
> getting out  of their 
> >>tiny
> >>little cars and arguing, shouting and gesturing to
> each  other... 
> >>repeatedly!
> >>Even the bus driver hung out the window and got in
> to  the argument.
> >>
> >>Now the little old man in Termini who shortchanged
> Sheryl  and I was a
> >>different case. I'm convinced he was a confused
> dementia case  who 
> >>couldn't
> >>see the bills or the coins without holding them a
> few inches  from his 
> >>face.
> >>The interesting thing was, that as soon as we
> figured out  there was a
> >>problem with the change, several people came in to
> the store and  started
> >>shouting in Sicilian. Not sure if they were
> shouting at us, at the
> >>storekeeper, or just because they like to shout.
> Discussions always seemed
> >>to take on a loud passionate pitch with lots of
> gesturing. I think one of
> >>them thought we were trying to rip the poor old
> guy off. But it suddenly
> >>became the afternoon entertainment in that little
> store!  We should  have
> >>charged admission! Sheryl found two younger
> Sicilian girls who tried to 
> >>help
> >>translate, but even they shook their head after
> some time and said "he  is 
> >>an
> >>old man, he is confused".
> >>
> >>The other interesting thing was that  the price of
> gelati in the Dolce 
> >>Vienna
> >>pasticcieria on Via Mazzini went up  incrementally
> each day. It went from
> >>$2.25 on Thursday, to $2.50 on Sunday  to $3.00 by
> the time we left. By 
> >>the
> >>last day, I could clearly tell that the  girl was
> asking the manager "what
> >>are we charging the Americani  today?"  I guess it
> was the law of supply 
> >>and
> >>demand. They did almost  have the corner on the
> market in the afternoons.
> >>Nothing else was open  around there.
> >>
> >>I will say that this was not totally the rule.
> When Sheryl  explained her
> >>frustration (!) with the old shopkeeper to the guy
> at another  shop 
> >>(Sicilia
> >>Lumie?), he actually apologized for all of Sicily!
> He even  offered to 
> >>gift
> >>wrap whatever we bought at the old man's shop for 
> us.
> >>
> >>Generally, the shopkeepers were friendly, as long
> as you tried to  speak
> >>Italian.  I clearly did not learn enough of the
> language before I  got 
> >>there,
> >>but by the end, I was getting by with a few key
> words and phrases  and a 
> >>lot
> >>of pointing. I also learned to wait to pay the
> bill until you  could 
> >>actually
> >>see the numbers on the receipt. Much less chance
> of getting  shortchanged. 
> >>It
> >>gave me an opportunity to count out the money that
> required  the LEAST 
> >>amount
> >>of change possible!
> >>
> >>This was all just part of the  amazing experience
> in Sicily. The 
> >>friendliness
> >>of all the people far  outweighed the few
> negatives. (yes, even the
> >>soup/cheese/butter nazi  waiters) Walking up and
> down the many many 
> >>streets
> >>of TI, we were constantly  greeted with "buon
> giorno", even as they looked 
> >>at
> >>us curiously. Once we  responded "buon giorno",
> they smiled and went on 
> >>their
> >>way. I can't say that  would have happened walking
> the streets of my 
> >>hometown
> >>
> >>here.
> >>
> >>Corie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >>TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  9 23:47:58 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:47:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS
In-Reply-To: <384.ba686de.32597a39@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20061009204758.53339.qmail@web60311.mail.yahoo.com>

There are other ways around besides the 99 steps but
Termini does have LOTS of uphill and down hill
sections. Everyone should keep this in mind. Bad knees
and arthritis seem to be prevalent with Termitani so
don't wait too late in life to go. 

Ken

--- LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:

> A.J.,
>  
> Stick around.  In five years I'll need you to help
> me up those 99  steps!
>  
> Diane
>  
> In a message dated 10/7/2006 4:42:14 P.M. Central
> Daylight Time,  
> aj4eyes at sympatico.ca writes:
> Laura I am sure enjoying all the stories of the 
> trips to TI, I would have 
> liked to go, but in 5 years for the next trip I will
>  be about 90 and that is a 
> question mark, waitng for cousin Madeleine to get
> home  on the 15th to hear 
> what she found out, enjoy your memories. A.J.
> Quattrocchi a  100% Termitani.
> 
> 
> 
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Tue Oct 10 00:18:36 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 17:18:36 -0400
Subject: [TI] Sicily - Sooner?
References: <20061009204513.52704.qmail@web60311.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.86$.001601c6ebe8$7d0e7f80$569a50ce@DJZBSK81>

Ken, if I go I would want one destination Sicily.
I have no desire to tour Italy.
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Geraci" <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily - Sooner?


> Cousin Ann,
>
> I think all of us who couldn't make it last week are
> thinking about a trip sooner then five years. So
> what's everyone doing next week? OK - maybe that's a
> little too soon!
>
> Perhaps in a year or so we could have an auxillary
> trip? The rates are cheaper starting in October
> (off-season). By then, some of those who went will be
> ready to go back again!
>
> This will be my 3rd trip to Italy if I go next time.
>
> Ken Geraci
>
> --- anniegoe <anniegoe at fyi.net> wrote:
>
>> Maybe a little sooner???  We are getting old.  One
>> thing I know, I can't do
>> 99 steps now.
>> Ann
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Laura Johnson" <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
>> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TI] Sicily experiences - time & money
>>
>>
>> > Then start saving your pennies NOW............we
>> are going back in 5
>> > years - 2011
>> >
>> > LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> >>Corie,
>> >>
>> >>Reading the account of your experiences makes me
>> feel like I was on that
>> >>trip with you all.  How I wish I could have been.
>> Number one on my  "Life
>> >>List"
>> >>is to go to Sicily.
>> >>
>> >>Diane
>> >>
>> >>In a message dated 10/7/2006 8:37:24 A.M. Central
>> Daylight Time,
>> >>corielind at msn.com writes:
>> >>You know, one thing that really struck me about
>> Sicily is that timetables
>> >>and schedules are "just a suggestion" (as Sharon
>> Reif so aptly put it).
>> >>Stores say they open at 8 and someone wanders
>> around  8:40 to open it up.
>> >>This happened multiple times. But I had been
>> warned  (thanks to Rick
>> >>Steves
>> >>travel books), so it was sort of expected. I had
>> to  remind myself I was
>> >>on
>> >>"Sicilian time". It also helped me understand that
>> my  sister's chronic
>> >>tardiness is just part of her Sicilian heritage! I
>> did find  it
>> >>interesting,
>> >>though, that they never were a minute late when
>> closing for  the afternoon
>> >>break!!
>> >>
>> >>I also found it interesting that public  employees
>> would purposely
>> >>shortchange you and not think a thing of it. When
>> we arrived at Palermo
>> >>Centrale, we went to buy tickets for the train to
>> Termini. We made the
>> >>mistake of asking the ticket seller if he spoke
>> English  (NO!) and he
>> >>proceeded to shortchange several of us by 10 Euro
>> each. By the  time we
>> >>figured it out, the line was too long to go back
>> and argue. And we  were
>> >>not
>> >>proficient in arguing in Sicilian (which EVERYONE
>> who lives there  seems
>> >>to
>> >>be). The Sicilians are passionate arguers! We
>> witnessed some  incredible
>> >>road
>> >>rage on the bus on the way to Palermo... Drivers
>> getting out  of their
>> >>tiny
>> >>little cars and arguing, shouting and gesturing to
>> each  other...
>> >>repeatedly!
>> >>Even the bus driver hung out the window and got in
>> to  the argument.
>> >>
>> >>Now the little old man in Termini who shortchanged
>> Sheryl  and I was a
>> >>different case. I'm convinced he was a confused
>> dementia case  who
>> >>couldn't
>> >>see the bills or the coins without holding them a
>> few inches  from his
>> >>face.
>> >>The interesting thing was, that as soon as we
>> figured out  there was a
>> >>problem with the change, several people came in to
>> the store and  started
>> >>shouting in Sicilian. Not sure if they were
>> shouting at us, at the
>> >>storekeeper, or just because they like to shout.
>> Discussions always seemed
>> >>to take on a loud passionate pitch with lots of
>> gesturing. I think one of
>> >>them thought we were trying to rip the poor old
>> guy off. But it suddenly
>> >>became the afternoon entertainment in that little
>> store!  We should  have
>> >>charged admission! Sheryl found two younger
>> Sicilian girls who tried to
>> >>help
>> >>translate, but even they shook their head after
>> some time and said "he  is
>> >>an
>> >>old man, he is confused".
>> >>
>> >>The other interesting thing was that  the price of
>> gelati in the Dolce
>> >>Vienna
>> >>pasticcieria on Via Mazzini went up  incrementally
>> each day. It went from
>> >>$2.25 on Thursday, to $2.50 on Sunday  to $3.00 by
>> the time we left. By
>> >>the
>> >>last day, I could clearly tell that the  girl was
>> asking the manager "what
>> >>are we charging the Americani  today?"  I guess it
>> was the law of supply
>> >>and
>> >>demand. They did almost  have the corner on the
>> market in the afternoons.
>> >>Nothing else was open  around there.
>> >>
>> >>I will say that this was not totally the rule.
>> When Sheryl  explained her
>> >>frustration (!) with the old shopkeeper to the guy
>> at another  shop
>> >>(Sicilia
>> >>Lumie?), he actually apologized for all of Sicily!
>> He even  offered to
>> >>gift
>> >>wrap whatever we bought at the old man's shop for
>> us.
>> >>
>> >>Generally, the shopkeepers were friendly, as long
>> as you tried to  speak
>> >>Italian.  I clearly did not learn enough of the
>> language before I  got
>> >>there,
>> >>but by the end, I was getting by with a few key
>> words and phrases  and a
>> >>lot
>> >>of pointing. I also learned to wait to pay the
>> bill until you  could
>> >>actually
>> >>see the numbers on the receipt. Much less chance
>> of getting  shortchanged.
>> >>It
>> >>gave me an opportunity to count out the money that
>> required  the LEAST
>> >>amount
>> >>of change possible!
>> >>
>> >>This was all just part of the  amazing experience
>> in Sicily. The
>> >>friendliness
>> >>of all the people far  outweighed the few
>> negatives. (yes, even the
>> >>soup/cheese/butter nazi  waiters) Walking up and
>> down the many many
>> >>streets
>> >>of TI, we were constantly  greeted with "buon
>> giorno", even as they looked
>> >>at
>> >>us curiously. Once we  responded "buon giorno",
>> they smiled and went on
>> >>their
>> >>way. I can't say that  would have happened walking
>> the streets of my
>> >>hometown
>> >>
>> >>here.
>> >>
>> >>Corie
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>_______________________________________________
>> >>TerminiImerese  mailing  list
>> >>TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>
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From mtickner at geminfo.org  Tue Oct 10 00:30:51 2006
From: mtickner at geminfo.org (Marilyn Tickner)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 17:30:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded
In-Reply-To: <000801c6ea86$37623ca0$250110ac@TINASLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10610091726050.11684-100000@ericir.syr.edu>

"Cousins"- just to thank you all for sharing your trip, your stories and
pictures with the list! I am saving now for 2011! And I too will take care
to build some endurance for the walking/stair climbing, etc.
I am so happy for all of you who attended this year- and genuinely
grateful that you are sharing this years' experience!

grazie infinite 
Marilyn Tickner
(Lanasa/Sansone)

On Sat, 7 Oct 2006, Tina Sansone wrote:

> Thanks... I  missed that I was looking at all so fast.  I'll probably look 
> at them many times and stiill miss something.  I was not expecting the steps 
> such as those.  Their walkways are  steps, how different.  I guess I had 
> better get into a lot better shape myself.  Thanks for this Termini site to 
> show us all that could not go.
> 
> Tina 
> 
> 
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From sah71052 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  9 22:13:32 2006
From: sah71052 at yahoo.com (Sheryl Hartnett)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 12:13:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] My Trip
In-Reply-To: <000201c6eb33$279985f0$6501a8c0@Office>
Message-ID: <20061009191332.25984.qmail@web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm still perplexed as to which Agostino Bova that
was.  Sure wish he would have showed up again when I
was at the hotel.  I will email a couple of newly
found cugnini and see if any of them can tell me about
the polizia I'm related to.  I'll let you know if I
find out anything.

Sheryl  :)

--- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:

> But Cheryl, you left out the best part.  How many of
> us had a Sicilian
> policeman named Agostino looking for us?
> 
> Elizabeth Budry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
> On Behalf Of Sheryl
> Hartnett
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 7:04 AM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: [TI] My Trip
> 
> My trip started out sitting in the plane for 5 hours
> AT THE GATE in St. Louis.  They let us off then for
> a
> while and we reboarded.  Then sat for another 1  1/2
> hours on the runway waiting for weather in Chicago
> to
> subside (heavy storms and tornadoes). I made it just
> in time to be one of the last to board the flight
> with
> Terry in Chicago.  That plane's windshield wiper was
> broken and they replaced it.  But they replaced the
> wrong one.  Then borrowed a wiper from the plane I
> came in on and we finally left and was off to Rome,
> via London. Our flight was originally to land in
> Rome
> at 1:35 pm Sat. the 23rd.  We deboarded at
> 8:45pm...7
> hrs and 15 min late.  My newly found cousin, Rose
> Khan
> from Brooklyn was waiting for us.  Her plane landed
> at
> 11:30 am that morning. 
> 
> Terry, Nancy Yesu and niece, Kari, Nancy Colby and
> her
> friend, Gari, my cousin, Rose Khan, and I stayed 4
> days in Rome before flying to Palermo on the 27th. 
> I
> highly recommend the trip to Rome.  We stayed at a
> quaint hotel that was closely located near the Forum
> and Colliseum...Hotel Perugia.  Within walking
> distance to the Circus Maximus, Palatine Hill and
> the
> Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.  A longer walk or short
> bus ride to Piazza Navona, Pantheon, Trevi Fountain
> and the Spanish Steps is well worth the time.  
> 
> I would not recommend a scheduled tour of the
> Vatican.
>  The tours are shuffled through too fast and
> pictures
> are not an option going that fast especially for the
> price, 42 euros.  Take the tour on your own. Also,
> they were not stopping at St. Peter's Bacillica,
> only
> driving by.  We left the tour so we could see St.
> Peter's.  I think you could have spent a week or
> two,
> 24 hours straight each day and not see everything
> there is to see in St. Peter's.  Truly breaktaking.
> 
> In Termini, the thought of being on the same roads
> as
> my ancestors, struck me with awe.  The view from the
> hotel of the mountains and Mediterranian sea port
> was
> beautiful and ever changing as hours past and the
> shawdows of the sun made the view different with
> every
> glance.  
> 
> The people went about their daily routines as we
> invade the streets with cameras in hand and tears in
> our eyes.  What was "everyday" to them was life
> changing for us. They were very patient with the
> Americani when we tried to garble out our rendition
> of
> the Sicilian language.  But they seemed to always
> understand what we tried to convey.
> 
> I was exceptionally blessed on this trip to meet
> with
> several (close to about a dozen families) of my Bova
> family members.  Some having information and
> pictures
> to share.  Some taking me into their homes and
> preparing succulant meals that would fill an
> elephant.
>  THESE PEOPLE LIKE TO EAT!!!  Showing me family
> photos, antiques, wedding presents, etc.  Giving me
> gifts to take home to America. I also collected
> email
> and snail mail addresses of the family I met so we
> can
> keep in touch. Family was the biggest reason for me
> taking this trip and it was more that worth it.
> 
> I must admit I didn't get to see much of Termini or
> take the day tours.  I figure it will be a good
> reason
> to go back again and bring my family. 
> 
> My flights home left ALOT to be desired.  I found
> the
> serpentine line for American Flights to Chicago. 
> Stood in that line for 40 min. only to hear I should
> be at Alitalia.  Stood in Alitalia's serpentine line
> for 50 min to hear that for some unknown reason the
> airline, Alitalia, said that their computer had it
> that I got to London coming over and the rest of my
> ticket had been canceled!!!  NOT!  I was standing in
> Rome at the time, wasn't I???  So they hussled me to
> a
> Continental flight that left later than my scheduled
> flight.  
> Got to Newark LATE, missed that flight, rescheduled
> onto another flight to Chicago.  Got to Chicago
> (about
> 9:35 pm) way too late for my scheduled flight (6:45
> pm) to St. Louis.  They rescheduled me at 9:45 pm on
> a
> 10:10 pm flight, handed me a boarding pass and then
> said I wasn't in time to check my luggage to make
> that
> flight( must be 40 mins before the flight)....THE
> LAST
> OF THE NIGHT!!  I was then put on a flight leaving
> at
> 6:55 am the next morning (Oct 5th), given a boarding
> pass for that flight and spent the night in the
> airport.  My husband could have driven to O'Hare,
> picked me up  and drove us back home in the time
> span
> I waited for the plane.  LOL    I was never so glad
> to
> be home after all that. By the time I reached my
> house
> I had had about an hour's dozing in 3 days straight
> (considering the time changes).  Needless to say, I
> have been sleeping on and off since.  And plan to do
> more to catch up.
> 
> Sheryl  :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 10 03:31:10 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 17:31:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded -BIGGER PICS?
In-Reply-To: <45286348.8000402@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <20061010003110.2168.qmail@web60317.mail.yahoo.com>

Laura,

The pictures are great! 

Special request .... after you get done would you
consider putting up just a few of the best pictures as
800 x 600's on a special "HIGH-RESOLUTION" Termini
pictures page? 

I would guess that most of us have high-speed internet
(cable, DSL, etc) these days.. Most of the new
pictures are TOO GOOD to be posted in a smaller
format!! The bigger the pictures, the more life-like
they'll be for those of us who couldn't go! LOL

Ken
--- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:

> Due to the amount of pictures coming in that were
> taken, I separated them into different topics.  I
> have uploaded over 230 pictures so far.
> 
> The pictures of the Duomo and the other churches we
> found, Ancestral Homes, Streets, Finding Family,
> Food and Trips to other Towns  will be put up later
> as more pictures come in for those topics.
> 
> The reason for the Duomo and other church picturs
> not being put up at this time is that I bought a
> book about the history of the churches in TI and a
> book about the history of the Duomo and I would like
> to include some of that history along with the
> pictures when they go up.  I am also waiting on some
> pictures from others of churches they took pictures
> of.
> 
> The pictures that were taken at the cemetery will
> not appear until we have completed indexing the
> burial records Paul Caito filmed from 1910 thru
> 1971.  Our plans are to link the image (if
> available) to the burial record into a database but
> this will take some time to get this all compiled.
> 
> So in the meantime, you can directly click the link
> on the main page for Pictures of Past Reunions or go
> directly to:
>
http://www.termini-imerese.org/Reunion/2006TI/Reunion2006.htm
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From amborocco at usa.net  Tue Oct 10 11:08:29 2006
From: amborocco at usa.net (JAL)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:08:29 +0200
Subject: [TI] 99 STEPS
Message-ID: <239kJJiHd5414S27.1160467709@cmsweb27.cms.usa.net>

Now we REALLY know why the ancestors left beautiful Termini!

Janet Larocco

------ Original Message ------
Received: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 10:48:51 PM CEST
From: Ken Geraci <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS

There are other ways around besides the 99 steps but
Termini does have LOTS of uphill and down hill
sections. Everyone should keep this in mind. Bad knees
and arthritis seem to be prevalent with Termitani so
don't wait too late in life to go. 

Ken





From tskibiski at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 10 15:46:22 2006
From: tskibiski at yahoo.com (Terry Skibiski)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 05:46:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded
In-Reply-To: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.153.17$.002301c6ea93$d1672dd0$119950ce@DJZBSK81>
Message-ID: <20061010124622.81282.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I pictured them that way, too, sort of like the
Spanish Steps in Rome, all neat and uniform and
together.  NOT!  They wind and twist and angle. You
may go up 12 steps and then it splits off and you have
to decide whether to go right or left.  Most are
cobblestone, and because the "streets" twist around
corners, you can't see your destination, only your
next turn.  Quite fun, actually, if you are the
adventuresome type.  But certainly a cardiac workout. 
If you get lost, the locals are always willing to
help.  They point, say something in Italian, and then
finish with "Two minutes."  Regardless of how long it
really takes, everything to Terminati is in "Two
minutes".  I think that's the only English they know.

Terry

--- anniegoe <anniegoe at fyi.net> wrote:

> I pictures the steps to be a long flight of  wide
> cement steps leading up to 
> the sky.
> Ann
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tina Sansone" <Gtownma at midsouth.rr.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 11:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded
> 
> 
> > Thanks... I  missed that I was looking at all so
> fast.  I'll probably look
> > at them many times and stiill miss something.  I
> was not expecting the 
> > steps
> > such as those.  Their walkways are  steps, how
> different.  I guess I had
> > better get into a lot better shape myself.  Thanks
> for this Termini site 
> > to
> > show us all that could not go.
> >
> > Tina
> >
> >
> >
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Tue Oct 10 16:20:21 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:20:21 -0400
Subject: [TI] 99 STEPS
References: <239kJJiHd5414S27.1160467709@cmsweb27.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.78$.002201c6ec6e$dbccfd40$4e9a50ce@DJZBSK81>

My Grandmother came sick. Can you picture her dragging her belongings down 
to bassa from Alta?
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JAL" <amborocco at usa.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:08 AM
Subject: [TI] 99 STEPS


> Now we REALLY know why the ancestors left beautiful Termini!
>
> Janet Larocco
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 10:48:51 PM CEST
> From: Ken Geraci <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS
>
> There are other ways around besides the 99 steps but
> Termini does have LOTS of uphill and down hill
> sections. Everyone should keep this in mind. Bad knees
> and arthritis seem to be prevalent with Termitani so
> don't wait too late in life to go.
>
> Ken
>
>
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From tskibiski at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 10 16:51:39 2006
From: tskibiski at yahoo.com (Terry Skibiski)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 06:51:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] cemetery
Message-ID: <20061010135139.78859.qmail@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Greetings, all!  I just thought I?d scribble a few
lines to let you know how the Termini cemetery project
went, and share a little information I learned while
there.   I talked to To To Loparella, the cemetery 
director, via an interpreter and was given some
interesting information.  We had been told some of
this before, but he helped fill in some of the gaps. 
The plots in the cemetery are not like the nice grassy
plots here with one or two people buried in each
space.  There are 20 sections in the main part of the
cemetery, and the graves are situated around the
perimeter of each section.  Sections are separated by
narrow paved streets.  Graves consist of a concrete or
marble slab over a grave 16 feet deep, which is also
lined with concrete.  Caskets are lowered into the
vertical crypt, and piled one on top of each other. 
In this way entire families can be buried together. 
Headstones for the most part consist of marble,
limestone, or concrete vertical slabs inlaid with oval
ceramic photos of the deceased, with the birth and
death dates recorded underneath or next to the photo. 
Some also have small plaques sitting on marble easels
on top of the slab.  Grave sites are rented to the
families for 20 years, and if the rent is not renewed,
then the bodies are exhumed and re-interred in the
central area of the section, sometimes with a small
steel cross or rock to mark the spot, but more often
than not, no marker at all.  The concrete sites are
then rented to another family.   Old headstones are
returned to the family.  Of course, if the family does
renew the rent, then the bodies remain for a longer
time.  Occasionally families will acquire a larger
site and move the scattered family members to the new
site so all the family is together.  The most number
of people I counted buried in one spot was 29, but
that site was wider than the majority of sites. 
Wealthy families have tall mausoleums where the family
is placed in the walls in vaults.  The insides of
these contain altars, chairs, statues, paintings,
candelabras, and photos of the family ? very elegant
and ornate, like a small private chapel. 

The whole cemetery is quite peaceful and emotionally
moving.  Most of the graves in the cemetery are
beautifully but simply decorated with flowers and
candles.  They are all kept up very nice and clean.  I
saw several families there decorating plots, or
washing and sweeping them.  There is no ?old? section
per se, because families are buried together, but the
section in the north part was the first part of the
cemetery built.  This was the area I photographed, but
because of the large numbers of people buried in each
plot, it took a great deal of time, and I only managed
to photograph four sections.  I have 696 photos, and
many of these have multiple people on them.  It will
take a while to transcribe all of the information on
these pictures, and the dates range from the early
1900s to 2006.  Paul Caito and Sheryl Hartnet also did
some photographing, and we will be consolidating all
the pictures into one database.  

Thanks for your patience with this project.  I would
be happy to accept large monetary donations from
anyone who wants me to return and continue this. 
Really, I will.  No, I?m serious.  I will take
anybody?s money.  I?m not proud.  I want to go back! 
It may take several trips, so please contribute
generously and often!  I will even send you a postcard
while I?m there.

Still dreaming in Italian,
Terry


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From fpalmis at comcast.net  Tue Oct 10 16:57:00 2006
From: fpalmis at comcast.net (Frank Sr.)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:57:00 -0500
Subject: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS
In-Reply-To: <20061009204758.53339.qmail@web60311.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLKKLDJDGJKFLCLLEKECNEDAA.fpalmis@comcast.net>

Terry's additional description of alternatives to the 99 steps meant for me
that ANY way up/down was UPPPPP and DOWNNNN!!  Even within Alta or Bassa,
there seem to be UPPS and DOWWNNS!  No escape!  BUT, suffering from the bad
knees and arthritis that Ken mentions, I actually found that I came back in
better shape, knees/arthritis-wise, than when I left.  As Terry pointed out,
the real stress seemed to be cardiac/respiratory.  These steps were the
ultimate workout!  Another common experience: while we americani struggled,
we were usually passed up by quite unstressed little old men and women.  Why
not?  They've grown up doing this!

Frank Palmisano

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Geraci [mailto:ken_geraci at yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:48 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS


There are other ways around besides the 99 steps but
Termini does have LOTS of uphill and down hill
sections. Everyone should keep this in mind. Bad knees
and arthritis seem to be prevalent with Termitani so
don't wait too late in life to go.

Ken

--- LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:

> A.J.,
>
> Stick around.  In five years I'll need you to help
> me up those 99  steps!
>
> Diane
>
> In a message dated 10/7/2006 4:42:14 P.M. Central
> Daylight Time,
> aj4eyes at sympatico.ca writes:
> Laura I am sure enjoying all the stories of the
> trips to TI, I would have
> liked to go, but in 5 years for the next trip I will
>  be about 90 and that is a
> question mark, waitng for cousin Madeleine to get
> home  on the 15th to hear
> what she found out, enjoy your memories. A.J.
> Quattrocchi a  100% Termitani.
>
>
>
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From erinsmom at gmail.com  Tue Oct 10 17:13:16 2006
From: erinsmom at gmail.com (erinsmom)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:13:16 -0500
Subject: [TI] cemetery
In-Reply-To: <20061010135139.78859.qmail@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20061010135139.78859.qmail@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <135790bb0610100713w4f665d1bi6c44c81f88088409@mail.gmail.com>

Terry,
If only I were rich, I could send you back and maybe carry your
luggage for you. Thank you so much for what you have done. Can't wait
to see the transcribed records.

Franciene Mcdonald

On 10/10/06, Terry Skibiski <tskibiski at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Greetings, all!  I just thought I'd scribble a few
> lines to let you know how the Termini cemetery project
> went, and share a little information I learned while
> there.   I talked to To To Loparella, the cemetery
> director, via an interpreter and was given some
> interesting information.  We had been told some of
> this before, but he helped fill in some of the gaps.
> The plots in the cemetery are not like the nice grassy
> plots here with one or two people buried in each
> space.  There are 20 sections in the main part of the
> cemetery, and the graves are situated around the
> perimeter of each section.  Sections are separated by
> narrow paved streets.  Graves consist of a concrete or
> marble slab over a grave 16 feet deep, which is also
> lined with concrete.  Caskets are lowered into the
> vertical crypt, and piled one on top of each other.
> In this way entire families can be buried together.
> Headstones for the most part consist of marble,
> limestone, or concrete vertical slabs inlaid with oval
> ceramic photos of the deceased, with the birth and
> death dates recorded underneath or next to the photo.
> Some also have small plaques sitting on marble easels
> on top of the slab.  Grave sites are rented to the
> families for 20 years, and if the rent is not renewed,
> then the bodies are exhumed and re-interred in the
> central area of the section, sometimes with a small
> steel cross or rock to mark the spot, but more often
> than not, no marker at all.  The concrete sites are
> then rented to another family.   Old headstones are
> returned to the family.  Of course, if the family does
> renew the rent, then the bodies remain for a longer
> time.  Occasionally families will acquire a larger
> site and move the scattered family members to the new
> site so all the family is together.  The most number
> of people I counted buried in one spot was 29, but
> that site was wider than the majority of sites.
> Wealthy families have tall mausoleums where the family
> is placed in the walls in vaults.  The insides of
> these contain altars, chairs, statues, paintings,
> candelabras, and photos of the family ? very elegant
> and ornate, like a small private chapel.
>
> The whole cemetery is quite peaceful and emotionally
> moving.  Most of the graves in the cemetery are
> beautifully but simply decorated with flowers and
> candles.  They are all kept up very nice and clean.  I
> saw several families there decorating plots, or
> washing and sweeping them.  There is no "old" section
> per se, because families are buried together, but the
> section in the north part was the first part of the
> cemetery built.  This was the area I photographed, but
> because of the large numbers of people buried in each
> plot, it took a great deal of time, and I only managed
> to photograph four sections.  I have 696 photos, and
> many of these have multiple people on them.  It will
> take a while to transcribe all of the information on
> these pictures, and the dates range from the early
> 1900s to 2006.  Paul Caito and Sheryl Hartnet also did
> some photographing, and we will be consolidating all
> the pictures into one database.
>
> Thanks for your patience with this project.  I would
> be happy to accept large monetary donations from
> anyone who wants me to return and continue this.
> Really, I will.  No, I'm serious.  I will take
> anybody's money.  I'm not proud.  I want to go back!
> It may take several trips, so please contribute
> generously and often!  I will even send you a postcard
> while I'm there.
>
> Still dreaming in Italian,
> Terry
>
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From philcutrara1 at netzero.net  Tue Oct 10 17:26:11 2006
From: philcutrara1 at netzero.net (Phil Cutrara)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:26:11 GMT
Subject: [TI] Obit - Gloria Giunta - Pittsburgh PA
Message-ID: <20061010.072639.15626.991573@webmail04.nyc.untd.com>

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From nellie at woh.rr.com  Tue Oct 10 17:52:09 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:52:09 -0400
Subject: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS
References: <LOBBLKKLDJDGJKFLCLLEKECNEDAA.fpalmis@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c6ec7b$ac2bc500$6601a8c0@momshp>

a few years ago when I had serious knee pain from sitting too long at a time 
(working overtime), my doctor told me to get on my cardiac exerciser (moved 
knees and arms).  It worked.  The knee pain was soon gone so I am not 
surprised if the knee pains are gone by walking up and down stairs, also the 
blood pressure would come down from the workout.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS


> Terry's additional description of alternatives to the 99 steps meant for 
> me
> that ANY way up/down was UPPPPP and DOWNNNN!!  Even within Alta or Bassa,
> there seem to be UPPS and DOWWNNS!  No escape!  BUT, suffering from the 
> bad
> knees and arthritis that Ken mentions, I actually found that I came back 
> in
> better shape, knees/arthritis-wise, than when I left.  As Terry pointed 
> out,
> the real stress seemed to be cardiac/respiratory.  These steps were the
> ultimate workout!  Another common experience: while we americani 
> struggled,
> we were usually passed up by quite unstressed little old men and women. 
> Why
> not?  They've grown up doing this!
>
> Frank Palmisano
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Geraci [mailto:ken_geraci at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:48 PM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS
>
>
> There are other ways around besides the 99 steps but
> Termini does have LOTS of uphill and down hill
> sections. Everyone should keep this in mind. Bad knees
> and arthritis seem to be prevalent with Termitani so
> don't wait too late in life to go.
>
> Ken
>
> --- LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
>
>> A.J.,
>>
>> Stick around.  In five years I'll need you to help
>> me up those 99  steps!
>>
>> Diane
>>
>> In a message dated 10/7/2006 4:42:14 P.M. Central
>> Daylight Time,
>> aj4eyes at sympatico.ca writes:
>> Laura I am sure enjoying all the stories of the
>> trips to TI, I would have
>> liked to go, but in 5 years for the next trip I will
>>  be about 90 and that is a
>> question mark, waitng for cousin Madeleine to get
>> home  on the 15th to hear
>> what she found out, enjoy your memories. A.J.
>> Quattrocchi a  100% Termitani.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TerminiImerese mailing list
>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>>
>
>
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From kimsansone at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 10 18:07:34 2006
From: kimsansone at sbcglobal.net (Kim Sansone)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:07:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
In-Reply-To: <000301c6ebb2$eb0e0b30$6601a8c0@momshp>
Message-ID: <20061010150734.38192.qmail@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes, 

There are just two 

Antonio LaMantia 29 v Menzalora S. Nicola L'Arena 
091 8 125 904

Salvatore LaMantia Km 229.500 str. stat.113 San Nicola
L'Arena 
091 8 101 011


--- nell lamantia <nellie at woh.rr.com> wrote:

> Do you have any Lamantias in Trabia???
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kim Sansone" <kimsansone at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Termini Website"
> <Terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:32 AM
> Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
> 
> 
> > While in Termini Imerese I was able to obtain a
> 2004-
> > 2005 Palermo province phone book, from a very nice
> > store owner.  I have made copies of the Termini
> > Imerese pages, which I will mail to Laura and she
> is
> > going to put on the website for easy access to the
> > group.
> >
> > If anyone needs any information for cities other
> than
> > Termini that are located in the Palermo province,
> > please let me know and I will be happy to look the
> > information up for you.
> >
> > Kim Sansone
> >
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> >
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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 10 23:53:03 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:53:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS - Frank
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLKKLDJDGJKFLCLLEKECNEDAA.fpalmis@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20061010205304.49283.qmail@web60314.mail.yahoo.com>

Frank,

Your email brings back memories about the steps and
the "cardio-vascular" workout they inevitably give
you. 

I was in Termini during the last week of July, 1999
through the first week in August and I was only 36
years old back then but I remembered having to stop
very frequently just to catch my breath. Of course
during that time of the year Termini was a sweltering
sauna. 

I was staying at Il Gabbiano hotel which was at least
1/2 mile from the train station. I had to walk along
the bay to get to the train station area and THEN walk
up via Roma with the 99 steps. I would start out fresh
from my hotel but by the time I got to the Duomo I
would need to go back to the hotel for another shower!
I could rarely find a taxi then until the last day
when the taxi driver gave me his cell phone number
(which I've lost). 

How was the taxi availability this time? Did anyone in
the group use the taxis?

Ken

--- "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net> wrote:

> Terry's additional description of alternatives to
> the 99 steps meant for me
> that ANY way up/down was UPPPPP and DOWNNNN!!  Even
> within Alta or Bassa,
> there seem to be UPPS and DOWWNNS!  No escape!  BUT,
> suffering from the bad
> knees and arthritis that Ken mentions, I actually
> found that I came back in
> better shape, knees/arthritis-wise, than when I
> left.  As Terry pointed out,
> the real stress seemed to be cardiac/respiratory. 
> These steps were the
> ultimate workout!  Another common experience: while
> we americani struggled,
> we were usually passed up by quite unstressed little
> old men and women.  Why
> not?  They've grown up doing this!
> 
> Frank Palmisano
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Geraci [mailto:ken_geraci at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:48 PM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS
> 
> 
> There are other ways around besides the 99 steps but
> Termini does have LOTS of uphill and down hill
> sections. Everyone should keep this in mind. Bad
> knees
> and arthritis seem to be prevalent with Termitani so
> don't wait too late in life to go.
> 
> Ken
> 
> --- LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
> 
> > A.J.,
> >
> > Stick around.  In five years I'll need you to help
> > me up those 99  steps!
> >
> > Diane
> >
> > In a message dated 10/7/2006 4:42:14 P.M. Central
> > Daylight Time,
> > aj4eyes at sympatico.ca writes:
> > Laura I am sure enjoying all the stories of the
> > trips to TI, I would have
> > liked to go, but in 5 years for the next trip I
> will
> >  be about 90 and that is a
> > question mark, waitng for cousin Madeleine to get
> > home  on the 15th to hear
> > what she found out, enjoy your memories. A.J.
> > Quattrocchi a  100% Termitani.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TerminiImerese mailing list
> > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >
>
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> >
> 
> 
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From corielind at msn.com  Wed Oct 11 00:03:21 2006
From: corielind at msn.com (Corie Lindemann)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:03:21 -0500
Subject: [TI] taxis
In-Reply-To: <20061010205304.49283.qmail@web60314.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F36DB00BBD6D2221A65695B8170@phx.gbl>


We used a taxi the first morning when we overslept and had to get to the 
Duomo for the tour (that was postponed) right away. The desk clerk looked at 
me like I was nuts when I said I needed a taxi right now. Not on Sicilian 
time! One did come in about 5 minutes, so I was impressed based on what I 
had heard. The hotel apparently had 2 "reliable" taxi drivers that they 
recommend and call when needed.

Corie



>From: Ken Geraci <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS - Frank
>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:53:03 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Frank,
>
>Your email brings back memories about the steps and
>the "cardio-vascular" workout they inevitably give
>you.
>
>I was in Termini during the last week of July, 1999
>through the first week in August and I was only 36
>years old back then but I remembered having to stop
>very frequently just to catch my breath. Of course
>during that time of the year Termini was a sweltering
>sauna.
>
>I was staying at Il Gabbiano hotel which was at least
>1/2 mile from the train station. I had to walk along
>the bay to get to the train station area and THEN walk
>up via Roma with the 99 steps. I would start out fresh
>from my hotel but by the time I got to the Duomo I
>would need to go back to the hotel for another shower!
>I could rarely find a taxi then until the last day
>when the taxi driver gave me his cell phone number
>(which I've lost).
>
>How was the taxi availability this time? Did anyone in
>the group use the taxis?
>
>Ken
>
>--- "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Terry's additional description of alternatives to
> > the 99 steps meant for me
> > that ANY way up/down was UPPPPP and DOWNNNN!!  Even
> > within Alta or Bassa,
> > there seem to be UPPS and DOWWNNS!  No escape!  BUT,
> > suffering from the bad
> > knees and arthritis that Ken mentions, I actually
> > found that I came back in
> > better shape, knees/arthritis-wise, than when I
> > left.  As Terry pointed out,
> > the real stress seemed to be cardiac/respiratory.
> > These steps were the
> > ultimate workout!  Another common experience: while
> > we americani struggled,
> > we were usually passed up by quite unstressed little
> > old men and women.  Why
> > not?  They've grown up doing this!
> >
> > Frank Palmisano
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken Geraci [mailto:ken_geraci at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:48 PM
> > To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS
> >
> >
> > There are other ways around besides the 99 steps but
> > Termini does have LOTS of uphill and down hill
> > sections. Everyone should keep this in mind. Bad
> > knees
> > and arthritis seem to be prevalent with Termitani so
> > don't wait too late in life to go.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > A.J.,
> > >
> > > Stick around.  In five years I'll need you to help
> > > me up those 99  steps!
> > >
> > > Diane
> > >
> > > In a message dated 10/7/2006 4:42:14 P.M. Central
> > > Daylight Time,
> > > aj4eyes at sympatico.ca writes:
> > > Laura I am sure enjoying all the stories of the
> > > trips to TI, I would have
> > > liked to go, but in 5 years for the next trip I
> > will
> > >  be about 90 and that is a
> > > question mark, waitng for cousin Madeleine to get
> > > home  on the 15th to hear
> > > what she found out, enjoy your memories. A.J.
> > > Quattrocchi a  100% Termitani.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TerminiImerese mailing list
> > > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > >
> >
>http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> > >
> >
> >
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From acm605 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 11 00:07:11 2006
From: acm605 at comcast.net (Tony Massaro)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:07:11 +0000
Subject: [TI] termini pictures-Anne riggio
Message-ID: <101020062107.2497.452C0B7F000C7EC7000009C12209229927CACFC0030C0E@comcast.net>

Anne:
I just got back from italy today. I need to stay up for about 6 more hours so i'm not trashed tomorrow. However I do have a picture i will send you of Gaetana Trapani's birth house Via teresi #8 or 7 or whatever it says on the nato. My father and i found several of our ancestors houses and talked to a couple of the residents. however, my family has been gone "piu di cento anni fa" (more than 100 years ago). this made them laugh. i'll get you the pictures later this week._

--
Tony Massaro
acm605 at comcast.net

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "anniegoe" <anniegoe at fyi.net>
> I pictures the steps to be a long flight of  wide cement steps leading up to 
> the sky.
> Ann
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tina Sansone" <Gtownma at midsouth.rr.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 11:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] First Batch of Pictures Uploaded
> 
> 
> > Thanks... I  missed that I was looking at all so fast.  I'll probably look
> > at them many times and stiill miss something.  I was not expecting the 
> > steps
> > such as those.  Their walkways are  steps, how different.  I guess I had
> > better get into a lot better shape myself.  Thanks for this Termini site 
> > to
> > show us all that could not go.
> >
> > Tina
> >
> >
> >
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From acm605 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 11 00:10:42 2006
From: acm605 at comcast.net (Tony Massaro)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:10:42 +0000
Subject: [TI] A brief laugh about the hotel in Termini
Message-ID: <101020062110.11824.452C0C52000D8F4F00002E302209229927CACFC0030C0E@comcast.net>

I agree about the soup nazi. Signore Carlini. What a sour puss. Our favorite joke in italy was NO!. they loved to say that and the longer i sat and watched, it didn't matter if you were american or italian they just don't give service with a smile.

--
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acm605 at comcast.net

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: SReif1956 at comcast.net
> We all got to experience the "soup nazi", aka the wine waiter in a white jacket.
> 
> The also experienced the absence of butter at a few meals....burra fini!!! No 
> burra for you!!!! What a scream.  And rolls that seemed to get more stale as 
> each day passed by.  I plan to make the chicken with eggplant slice and 
> cheese/sauce topping.  It was very good.  It is good not to get charged for 
> water....3 euro!
> 
> Termini has an in-house stairmaster.....the 99 steps from bassa to alta.  My 
> thighs are pretty tight right now.  It is better than using the Buns of Steel 
> video workout. A great cardio workout every day.
> 
> The gelato was to die for...I highly recommend the Ciambella flavor.  The price 
> on the gelato got a little more expensive everyday.  I guess they realized the 
> Americani were in town.
> 
> Thank goodness for electronics stores.  I needed to buy a new digital camera 
> after I let my go bouncing across the stone alleyway when I met the Busalacchi 
> kin who is now living in what was my Pitti great grandparents home.  What a 
> surprise.
> 
> And the tour guide we had in Agrigento...WOW.  Those of you ladies who are 
> single...have I got a man for you!  Vittorio Palermo was his name, and I took 
> photos of his good side, his better side and his best side!  He was so cute. He 
> had my attention the entire time of the tour.
> 
> The cemtery was a "don't miss" part of the trip.  Found some family names and 
> made me feel like I was truly a part of the Termini community.
> 
> I did not study my Italian enough, I guess, or those Sicilians need to slow down 
> their speech.  However, I did get by.  
> 
> I'll let someone else chime in on their experiences.  Toodles.
> 
> Sharon
> 
> 
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Wed Oct 11 01:34:53 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:34:53 -0500
Subject: [TI] cemetery
In-Reply-To: <20061010135139.78859.qmail@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20061010135139.78859.qmail@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <452C200D.9020108@madisontelco.com>

Terry,

Add the following sections to the list of those filmed:

I did - B (1, 2, 3), C-1
Paul Caito started C-3 and got about halfway there
Corie did C-2
Sharon did the grave separating the section you did and those of B& C as 
well as the wall down to about the beginning of D3 (right hand corner) 
and then I finished it around to the chapel
Frank Palmisano did the masoleums along the back part of the cemetery

Can you send me another blank copy of the google map you used so that I 
can add it to the website along making some notes on it for the website? 
Also, I need your snail mail address so that I can send you those images 
from Corie, Sharon, Frank and I.

I believe Paul will be sending his to me along with the images of the 
burial records and I will forward those images as well.

I also have a bunch of images that several people took of different lots 
but I don't know which sections they are in so I will forward those to 
you as well.


Terry Skibiski wrote:

>Greetings, all!  I just thought I?d scribble a few
>lines to let you know how the Termini cemetery project
>went, and share a little information I learned while
>there.   I talked to To To Loparella, the cemetery 
>director, via an interpreter and was given some
>interesting information.  We had been told some of
>this before, but he helped fill in some of the gaps. 
>The plots in the cemetery are not like the nice grassy
>plots here with one or two people buried in each
>space.  There are 20 sections in the main part of the
>cemetery, and the graves are situated around the
>perimeter of each section.  Sections are separated by
>narrow paved streets.  Graves consist of a concrete or
>marble slab over a grave 16 feet deep, which is also
>lined with concrete.  Caskets are lowered into the
>vertical crypt, and piled one on top of each other. 
>In this way entire families can be buried together. 
>Headstones for the most part consist of marble,
>limestone, or concrete vertical slabs inlaid with oval
>ceramic photos of the deceased, with the birth and
>death dates recorded underneath or next to the photo. 
>Some also have small plaques sitting on marble easels
>on top of the slab.  Grave sites are rented to the
>families for 20 years, and if the rent is not renewed,
>then the bodies are exhumed and re-interred in the
>central area of the section, sometimes with a small
>steel cross or rock to mark the spot, but more often
>than not, no marker at all.  The concrete sites are
>then rented to another family.   Old headstones are
>returned to the family.  Of course, if the family does
>renew the rent, then the bodies remain for a longer
>time.  Occasionally families will acquire a larger
>site and move the scattered family members to the new
>site so all the family is together.  The most number
>of people I counted buried in one spot was 29, but
>that site was wider than the majority of sites. 
>Wealthy families have tall mausoleums where the family
>is placed in the walls in vaults.  The insides of
>these contain altars, chairs, statues, paintings,
>candelabras, and photos of the family ? very elegant
>and ornate, like a small private chapel. 
>
>The whole cemetery is quite peaceful and emotionally
>moving.  Most of the graves in the cemetery are
>beautifully but simply decorated with flowers and
>candles.  They are all kept up very nice and clean.  I
>saw several families there decorating plots, or
>washing and sweeping them.  There is no ?old? section
>per se, because families are buried together, but the
>section in the north part was the first part of the
>cemetery built.  This was the area I photographed, but
>because of the large numbers of people buried in each
>plot, it took a great deal of time, and I only managed
>to photograph four sections.  I have 696 photos, and
>many of these have multiple people on them.  It will
>take a while to transcribe all of the information on
>these pictures, and the dates range from the early
>1900s to 2006.  Paul Caito and Sheryl Hartnet also did
>some photographing, and we will be consolidating all
>the pictures into one database.  
>
>Thanks for your patience with this project.  I would
>be happy to accept large monetary donations from
>anyone who wants me to return and continue this. 
>Really, I will.  No, I?m serious.  I will take
>anybody?s money.  I?m not proud.  I want to go back! 
>It may take several trips, so please contribute
>generously and often!  I will even send you a postcard
>while I?m there.
>
>Still dreaming in Italian,
>Terry
>
>
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From kimsansone at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 11 01:40:04 2006
From: kimsansone at sbcglobal.net (Kim Sansone)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:40:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
In-Reply-To: <100920061723.25339.452A859600035C06000062FB2207300033C0CAC7CE00070A9D9C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20061010224004.53061.qmail@web81713.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sharon, 

Did you need me to make a copy of the Belmonte
Mezzagno page of the phone book?

--- sreif1956 at comcast.net wrote:

> Hi Kim....is there a listing for the town of
> Belmonte Mezzagno in that phone book?  It is in the
> hills, not too far from the city of Palermo and
> Monreale.  I am looking for Pitti family listings. 
> My distant cousin, Fabio Pitti, in northern Italy
> tells me that many of the family now reside in this
> town.
> 
> Sharon
>  -------------- Original message
> ----------------------
> From: Kim Sansone <kimsansone at sbcglobal.net>
> > While in Termini Imerese I was able to obtain a
> 2004-
> > 2005 Palermo province phone book, from a very nice
> > store owner.  I have made copies of the Termini
> > Imerese pages, which I will mail to Laura and she
> is
> > going to put on the website for easy access to the
> > group. 
> > 
> > If anyone needs any information for cities other
> than
> > Termini that are located in the Palermo province,
> > please let me know and I will be happy to look the
> > information up for you. 
> > 
> > Kim Sansone 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TerminiImerese mailing list
> > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >
>
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> 
> 
> 
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From LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com  Wed Oct 11 01:33:44 2006
From: LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com (LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:33:44 EDT
Subject: [TI] cemetery
Message-ID: <58d.4ff8b20.325d79c8@aol.com>

Terry,
 
Thank you for your very descriptive relating of the cemeteries in Termini  
Imerese.  I really enjoyed your account of them.  I think the cemetery  project 
sounds wonderful. 
 
Diane M.
New Orleans, LA
 
In a message dated 10/10/2006 9:15:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
erinsmom at gmail.com writes:
Terry,
If only I were rich, I could send you  back and maybe carry your
luggage for you. Thank you so much for what you  have done. Can't wait
to see the transcribed records.

Franciene  Mcdonald

On 10/10/06, Terry Skibiski <tskibiski at yahoo.com>  wrote:
> Greetings, all!  I just thought I'd scribble a few
>  lines to let you know how the Termini cemetery project
> went, and share a  little information I learned while
> there.   I talked to To To  Loparella, the cemetery
> director, via an interpreter and was given  some
> interesting information.  We had been told some of
>  this before, but he helped fill in some of the gaps.
> The plots in the  cemetery are not like the nice grassy
> plots here with one or two people  buried in each
> space.  There are 20 sections in the main part of  the
> cemetery, and the graves are situated around the
> perimeter  of each section.  Sections are separated by
> narrow paved  streets.  Graves consist of a concrete or
> marble slab over a grave  16 feet deep, which is also
> lined with concrete.  Caskets are  lowered into the
> vertical crypt, and piled one on top of each  other.
> In this way entire families can be buried together.
>  Headstones for the most part consist of marble,
> limestone, or concrete  vertical slabs inlaid with oval
> ceramic photos of the deceased, with the  birth and
> death dates recorded underneath or next to the photo.
>  Some also have small plaques sitting on marble easels
> on top of the  slab.  Grave sites are rented to the
> families for 20 years, and if  the rent is not renewed,
> then the bodies are exhumed and re-interred in  the
> central area of the section, sometimes with a small
> steel  cross or rock to mark the spot, but more often
> than not, no marker at  all.  The concrete sites are
> then rented to another  family.   Old headstones are
> returned to the family.  Of  course, if the family does
> renew the rent, then the bodies remain for a  longer
> time.  Occasionally families will acquire a larger
>  site and move the scattered family members to the new
> site so all the  family is together.  The most number
> of people I counted buried in  one spot was 29, but
> that site was wider than the majority of  sites.
> Wealthy families have tall mausoleums where the family
> is  placed in the walls in vaults.  The insides of
> these contain  altars, chairs, statues, paintings,
> candelabras, and photos of the  family ? very elegant
> and ornate, like a small private  chapel.
>
> The whole cemetery is quite peaceful and  emotionally
> moving.  Most of the graves in the cemetery are
>  beautifully but simply decorated with flowers and
> candles.  They  are all kept up very nice and clean.  I
> saw several families there  decorating plots, or
> washing and sweeping them.  There is no "old"  section
> per se, because families are buried together, but the
>  section in the north part was the first part of the
> cemetery  built.  This was the area I photographed, but
> because of the large  numbers of people buried in each
> plot, it took a great deal of time, and  I only managed
> to photograph four sections.  I have 696 photos,  and
> many of these have multiple people on them.  It will
>  take a while to transcribe all of the information on
> these pictures, and  the dates range from the early
> 1900s to 2006.  Paul Caito and  Sheryl Hartnet also did
> some photographing, and we will be consolidating  all
> the pictures into one database.
>
> Thanks for your  patience with this project.  I would
> be happy to accept large  monetary donations from
> anyone who wants me to return and continue  this.
> Really, I will.  No, I'm serious.  I will take
>  anybody's money.  I'm not proud.  I want to go back!
> It may  take several trips, so please contribute
> generously and often!  I  will even send you a postcard
> while I'm there.
>
> Still  dreaming in Italian,
> Terry
>
>
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From LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com  Wed Oct 11 01:43:33 2006
From: LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com (LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:43:33 EDT
Subject: [TI] 99 STEPS
Message-ID: <3b3.8f9d705.325d7c15@aol.com>

Everyone's account of the 99 steps, and other things have me cracking up  
laughing.  I've never laughed so hard in a long time.  It's just  hysterical the 
way you all recount it.  I'm so happy to see that everyone  managed to keep 
their sense of humor in lieu of all that they went though....No  burra for 
you!!!!  Burra fini!!!!!....oh, there I go again....I'm in  
stitches....hahaha...You all are great.  
 
I'm glad that you all had such a good time, and could enjoy Termini  
together.  I'm also glad to know of these things before hand so that I go  there 
expecting it all to happen to me, knowing that it will, and when it does  to be 
able to deal with it as graciously and humorously as you all  have.  
 
Thank you all for your wonderful accounts of Termini-Imerese.  I can't  wait 
to get home every day to read the list.
 
Diane
New Orleans
 



From jbova.genealogy at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 11 01:33:48 2006
From: jbova.genealogy at sbcglobal.net (Joseph Bova)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:33:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] cemetery
In-Reply-To: <20061010135139.78859.qmail@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20061010223348.2361.qmail@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Terry, your good, I am still laughing.....If you get donations I will volunteer to hold your camera bag
 
Joe Bova 
Pebble Beach, CA
researching:
Termini Imerisi, Sicily: Bova, Spagnola/Spagnolo
Alcamo, TP, Sicily: Adragna, Filippi 


----- Original Message ----
From: Terry Skibiski <tskibiski at yahoo.com>
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:51:39 AM
Subject: [TI] cemetery


Greetings, all!  I just thought Id scribble a few
lines to let you know how the Termini cemetery project
went, and share a little information I learned while
there.   I talked to To To Loparella, the cemetery 
director, via an interpreter and was given some
interesting information.  We had been told some of
this before, but he helped fill in some of the gaps. 
The plots in the cemetery are not like the nice grassy
plots here with one or two people buried in each
space.  There are 20 sections in the main part of the
cemetery, and the graves are situated around the
perimeter of each section.  Sections are separated by
narrow paved streets.  Graves consist of a concrete or
marble slab over a grave 16 feet deep, which is also
lined with concrete.  Caskets are lowered into the
vertical crypt, and piled one on top of each other. 
In this way entire families can be buried together. 
Headstones for the most part consist of marble,
limestone, or concrete vertical slabs inlaid with oval
ceramic photos of the deceased, with the birth and
death dates recorded underneath or next to the photo. 
Some also have small plaques sitting on marble easels
on top of the slab.  Grave sites are rented to the
families for 20 years, and if the rent is not renewed,
then the bodies are exhumed and re-interred in the
central area of the section, sometimes with a small
steel cross or rock to mark the spot, but more often
than not, no marker at all.  The concrete sites are
then rented to another family.   Old headstones are
returned to the family.  Of course, if the family does
renew the rent, then the bodies remain for a longer
time.  Occasionally families will acquire a larger
site and move the scattered family members to the new
site so all the family is together.  The most number
of people I counted buried in one spot was 29, but
that site was wider than the majority of sites. 
Wealthy families have tall mausoleums where the family
is placed in the walls in vaults.  The insides of
these contain altars, chairs, statues, paintings,
candelabras, and photos of the family  very elegant
and ornate, like a small private chapel. 

The whole cemetery is quite peaceful and emotionally
moving.  Most of the graves in the cemetery are
beautifully but simply decorated with flowers and
candles.  They are all kept up very nice and clean.  I
saw several families there decorating plots, or
washing and sweeping them.  There is no old section
per se, because families are buried together, but the
section in the north part was the first part of the
cemetery built.  This was the area I photographed, but
because of the large numbers of people buried in each
plot, it took a great deal of time, and I only managed
to photograph four sections.  I have 696 photos, and
many of these have multiple people on them.  It will
take a while to transcribe all of the information on
these pictures, and the dates range from the early
1900s to 2006.  Paul Caito and Sheryl Hartnet also did
some photographing, and we will be consolidating all
the pictures into one database.  

Thanks for your patience with this project.  I would
be happy to accept large monetary donations from
anyone who wants me to return and continue this. 
Really, I will.  No, Im serious.  I will take
anybodys money.  Im not proud.  I want to go back! 
It may take several trips, so please contribute
generously and often!  I will even send you a postcard
while Im there.

Still dreaming in Italian,
Terry


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From SReif1956 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 11 03:01:22 2006
From: SReif1956 at comcast.net (SReif1956 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:01:22 +0000
Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
Message-ID: <101120060001.6202.452C3452000245C70000183A2206424413C0CAC7CE00070AADAC@comcast.net>

No, thanks Kim, Sharon
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Kim Sansone <kimsansone at sbcglobal.net>
> Sharon, 
> 
> Did you need me to make a copy of the Belmonte
> Mezzagno page of the phone book?
> 
> --- sreif1956 at comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > Hi Kim....is there a listing for the town of
> > Belmonte Mezzagno in that phone book?  It is in the
> > hills, not too far from the city of Palermo and
> > Monreale.  I am looking for Pitti family listings. 
> > My distant cousin, Fabio Pitti, in northern Italy
> > tells me that many of the family now reside in this
> > town.
> > 
> > Sharon
> >  -------------- Original message
> > ----------------------
> > From: Kim Sansone <kimsansone at sbcglobal.net>
> > > While in Termini Imerese I was able to obtain a
> > 2004-
> > > 2005 Palermo province phone book, from a very nice
> > > store owner.  I have made copies of the Termini
> > > Imerese pages, which I will mail to Laura and she
> > is
> > > going to put on the website for easy access to the
> > > group. 
> > > 
> > > If anyone needs any information for cities other
> > than
> > > Termini that are located in the Palermo province,
> > > please let me know and I will be happy to look the
> > > information up for you. 
> > > 
> > > Kim Sansone 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TerminiImerese mailing list
> > > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > >
> >
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> >
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From corielind at msn.com  Wed Oct 11 05:00:11 2006
From: corielind at msn.com (Corie Lindemann)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:00:11 -0500
Subject: [TI] cemetery
References: <20061010135139.78859.qmail@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-DAV14B11AE89C78B3786C3CA9B8140@phx.gbl>

Terry,
Thanks for the details on the graves. I wondered how deep they were and how 
many they fit in there when we were watching the burials.  We saw several 
headstones with quite a few names and could not figure the space logistics, 
especially after watching a couple of burials! The graves didn't seem that 
deep. I just feel sorry for those poor people whose family didn't pay rent 
(including mine). The center of those sections are so bleak and barren.
Toto was trying to tell me something about my great great grandfathers grave 
and I wish I had an interpreter along for that part. We were interrupted by 
some official cemetery business. I think he was just telling me that there 
wasn't a stone for him, but I'll have to find out more next time! (and learn 
more Italian!)
I'm buying lottery tickets for the return trip!!  I'm thinking timeshare! 
Some place with a good supply of butter and cheese and free water (no gas!)!

Corie

PS... I, too, had several dreams in Italian on the plane and after my 
return. I couldn't understand too much, but I just kept saying "mi dispiace" 
and "grazie" a lot.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry Skibiski" <tskibiski at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:51 AM
Subject: [TI] cemetery


Greetings, all!  I just thought I'd scribble a few
lines to let you know how the Termini cemetery project
went, and share a little information I learned while
there.   I talked to To To Loparella, the cemetery
director, via an interpreter and was given some
interesting information.  We had been told some of
this before, but he helped fill in some of the gaps.
The plots in the cemetery are not like the nice grassy
plots here with one or two people buried in each
space.  There are 20 sections in the main part of the
cemetery, and the graves are situated around the
perimeter of each section.  Sections are separated by
narrow paved streets.  Graves consist of a concrete or
marble slab over a grave 16 feet deep, which is also
lined with concrete.  Caskets are lowered into the
vertical crypt, and piled one on top of each other.
In this way entire families can be buried together.
Headstones for the most part consist of marble,
limestone, or concrete vertical slabs inlaid with oval
ceramic photos of the deceased, with the birth and
death dates recorded underneath or next to the photo.
Some also have small plaques sitting on marble easels
on top of the slab.  Grave sites are rented to the
families for 20 years, and if the rent is not renewed,
then the bodies are exhumed and re-interred in the
central area of the section, sometimes with a small
steel cross or rock to mark the spot, but more often
than not, no marker at all.  The concrete sites are
then rented to another family.   Old headstones are
returned to the family.  Of course, if the family does
renew the rent, then the bodies remain for a longer
time.  Occasionally families will acquire a larger
site and move the scattered family members to the new
site so all the family is together.  The most number
of people I counted buried in one spot was 29, but
that site was wider than the majority of sites.
Wealthy families have tall mausoleums where the family
is placed in the walls in vaults.  The insides of
these contain altars, chairs, statues, paintings,
candelabras, and photos of the family - very elegant
and ornate, like a small private chapel.

The whole cemetery is quite peaceful and emotionally
moving.  Most of the graves in the cemetery are
beautifully but simply decorated with flowers and
candles.  They are all kept up very nice and clean.  I
saw several families there decorating plots, or
washing and sweeping them.  There is no "old" section
per se, because families are buried together, but the
section in the north part was the first part of the
cemetery built.  This was the area I photographed, but
because of the large numbers of people buried in each
plot, it took a great deal of time, and I only managed
to photograph four sections.  I have 696 photos, and
many of these have multiple people on them.  It will
take a while to transcribe all of the information on
these pictures, and the dates range from the early
1900s to 2006.  Paul Caito and Sheryl Hartnet also did
some photographing, and we will be consolidating all
the pictures into one database.

Thanks for your patience with this project.  I would
be happy to accept large monetary donations from
anyone who wants me to return and continue this.
Really, I will.  No, I'm serious.  I will take
anybody's money.  I'm not proud.  I want to go back!
It may take several trips, so please contribute
generously and often!  I will even send you a postcard
while I'm there.

Still dreaming in Italian,
Terry


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From tskibiski at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 11 05:45:46 2006
From: tskibiski at yahoo.com (Terry Skibiski)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:45:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] churches
Message-ID: <20061011024546.18596.qmail@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Here's a little bit of information I gathered from my
day trip to Cammarata and Castronuovo.  There are many
churches in these little Sicilian towns (including
Termini), often several on the same block, and a few
of them right next door to each other.  Apparently as
the population grew, the churches were not large
enough to hold all the parishioners, so they would
build another church to handle the overflow.  Churches
were traditionally built on the highest point in town
(you know, closer to God), or at least the highest
point available, so many were near each other to
fulfill that tradition.  Families worshiped at the
same church, regardless of whether or not it was the
closest.  Most records were kept at the "mother
church", although some records were also retained at
the "family church".  Therefore, it is important
before you go to know what church the family was
married in; check the allegati.  If the priest at the
mother church isn't cooperative, or isn't around, try
the local church.  

One priest was particularly helpful, and spent an hour
with me looking up names and dates.  I found it
amazing that he knew just by looking at the names
where these people were from.  He looked at my family
tree and said, "This person is from Cammarata, this
one is from Castronuovo, this one is from Lercarra." 
He recognized names just as we can figure out that
Jose Delgato is Mexican, Jan Swensen is Swedish, etc. 
He also apologized that the records only went back to
1600 (the church was built in 1081), but a fire had
destroyed the "old" records.  In one town I asked how
old the town was, and was told, "Not very old.  It
only goes back to the middle ages."  I guess
everything is relative.  Here we put up signs if a
house dates to the 1800s.  What a laugh! 

Terry 

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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 11 07:32:15 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:32:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] churches - più, per favore!
In-Reply-To: <20061011024546.18596.qmail@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20061011043215.83884.qmail@web60322.mail.yahoo.com>

Terry,

I really enjoyed reading the email below on the
churches. Very interesting! Please keep more of these
kinds of emails coming... I KNOW what you're capable
of as an author!!!! Abbiamo bisogna di pi? e pi?! LOL 

And Mike Maddi, send us some more of your keen
observations as well... I know you too also write very
well. 

So far I have to rate Corie as the most prolific
post-Termini trip author so ya'll have to catch up
with her! (And she's a great writer, too, so please
keep sending more Corie!)

In fact, EVERYONE keep writing more! Tell us about the
PEOPLE you met, the places you saw, etc. Otherwise I'm
going to have to bore the list with my 7-year old
Termini adventures and everyone's already heard these
at least 3 times! Trust me that all of us can't get
enough of these anecdotes!

Ken Geraci

PS- And feel free to email me a few large digital
pictures that anyone might have taken in Sicily
(something that could be used as Computer Desktop
Wallpaper) I have HUGE bandwidth... send some BIG pics
to me offlist at ken_geraci at yahoo.com!!. 

--- Terry Skibiski <tskibiski at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Here's a little bit of information I gathered from
> my
> day trip to Cammarata and Castronuovo.  There are
> many
> churches in these little Sicilian towns (including
> Termini), often several on the same block, and a few
> of them right next door to each other.  Apparently
> as
> the population grew, the churches were not large
> enough to hold all the parishioners, so they would
> build another church to handle the overflow. 
> Churches
> were traditionally built on the highest point in
> town
> (you know, closer to God), or at least the highest
> point available, so many were near each other to
> fulfill that tradition.  Families worshiped at the
> same church, regardless of whether or not it was the
> closest.  Most records were kept at the "mother
> church", although some records were also retained at
> the "family church".  Therefore, it is important
> before you go to know what church the family was
> married in; check the allegati.  If the priest at
> the
> mother church isn't cooperative, or isn't around,
> try
> the local church.  
> 
> One priest was particularly helpful, and spent an
> hour
> with me looking up names and dates.  I found it
> amazing that he knew just by looking at the names
> where these people were from.  He looked at my
> family
> tree and said, "This person is from Cammarata, this
> one is from Castronuovo, this one is from Lercarra."
> 
> He recognized names just as we can figure out that
> Jose Delgato is Mexican, Jan Swensen is Swedish,
> etc. 
> He also apologized that the records only went back
> to
> 1600 (the church was built in 1081), but a fire had
> destroyed the "old" records.  In one town I asked
> how
> old the town was, and was told, "Not very old.  It
> only goes back to the middle ages."  I guess
> everything is relative.  Here we put up signs if a
> house dates to the 1800s.  What a laugh! 
> 
> Terry 
> 
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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 11 08:00:45 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:00:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] A few more questions for i nostri viaggiatori (our
	travellers)!
In-Reply-To: <20061007120410.84991.qmail@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20061011050045.82993.qmail@web60316.mail.yahoo.com>

I re-read Laura's, Sheryl's, Elizabeth's and Joan's
accounts and I'm sorry I didn't mention them also as
great writers in my last email as their stories were
very good as well. And I'm sure that I've still left
off a few people. Mi dispiace!

I think many of us particularly enjoy reading about
the various people and characters that you met in
Sicily. Tell us about people - either family members
or clerks, strangers or anyone you met there. And how
about the parks? And the plaza in front of the duomo.
Do young people still congregate there in the evenings
and on weekends? And nobody has mentioned the scooters
and motorcycles. Are they still there?

How did everyone do with the language? What was the
biggest challenge, speaking Italian or understanding
the Italian that was spoken to you? For me, I had
studied Italian so forming the sentences was not too
hard. However, UNDERSTANDING the Italian that was
being spoken to me was the HARD part. And often,
people lapse into true Sicilian for a word or phrase
and this threw me for a loop. Was anyone in the group
able to speak in true Sicilian? Maybe Madeleine? 

Tell us more!

Ken

--- Sheryl Hartnett <sah71052 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> My trip started out sitting in the plane for 5 hours
> AT THE GATE in St. Louis.  They let us off then for
> a
> while and we reboarded.  

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From anniegoe at FYI.NET  Wed Oct 11 05:18:48 2006
From: anniegoe at FYI.NET (anniegoe)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:18:48 -0400
Subject: [TI] cemetery
References: <20061010135139.78859.qmail@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<135790bb0610100713w4f665d1bi6c44c81f88088409@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.153.76$.003501c6ecdb$97244f50$4c9950ce@DJZBSK81>

Terry I will contribute, I'll also join your group, and you can carry me up 
and down  the 99 each day.
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] cemetery


Terry,
If only I were rich, I could send you back and maybe carry your
luggage for you. Thank you so much for what you have done. Can't wait
to see the transcribed records.

Franciene Mcdonald

On 10/10/06, Terry Skibiski <tskibiski at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Greetings, all!  I just thought I'd scribble a few
> lines to let you know how the Termini cemetery project
> went, and share a little information I learned while
> there.   I talked to To To Loparella, the cemetery
> director, via an interpreter and was given some
> interesting information.  We had been told some of
> this before, but he helped fill in some of the gaps.
> The plots in the cemetery are not like the nice grassy
> plots here with one or two people buried in each
> space.  There are 20 sections in the main part of the
> cemetery, and the graves are situated around the
> perimeter of each section.  Sections are separated by
> narrow paved streets.  Graves consist of a concrete or
> marble slab over a grave 16 feet deep, which is also
> lined with concrete.  Caskets are lowered into the
> vertical crypt, and piled one on top of each other.
> In this way entire families can be buried together.
> Headstones for the most part consist of marble,
> limestone, or concrete vertical slabs inlaid with oval
> ceramic photos of the deceased, with the birth and
> death dates recorded underneath or next to the photo.
> Some also have small plaques sitting on marble easels
> on top of the slab.  Grave sites are rented to the
> families for 20 years, and if the rent is not renewed,
> then the bodies are exhumed and re-interred in the
> central area of the section, sometimes with a small
> steel cross or rock to mark the spot, but more often
> than not, no marker at all.  The concrete sites are
> then rented to another family.   Old headstones are
> returned to the family.  Of course, if the family does
> renew the rent, then the bodies remain for a longer
> time.  Occasionally families will acquire a larger
> site and move the scattered family members to the new
> site so all the family is together.  The most number
> of people I counted buried in one spot was 29, but
> that site was wider than the majority of sites.
> Wealthy families have tall mausoleums where the family
> is placed in the walls in vaults.  The insides of
> these contain altars, chairs, statues, paintings,
> candelabras, and photos of the family ? very elegant
> and ornate, like a small private chapel.
>
> The whole cemetery is quite peaceful and emotionally
> moving.  Most of the graves in the cemetery are
> beautifully but simply decorated with flowers and
> candles.  They are all kept up very nice and clean.  I
> saw several families there decorating plots, or
> washing and sweeping them.  There is no "old" section
> per se, because families are buried together, but the
> section in the north part was the first part of the
> cemetery built.  This was the area I photographed, but
> because of the large numbers of people buried in each
> plot, it took a great deal of time, and I only managed
> to photograph four sections.  I have 696 photos, and
> many of these have multiple people on them.  It will
> take a while to transcribe all of the information on
> these pictures, and the dates range from the early
> 1900s to 2006.  Paul Caito and Sheryl Hartnet also did
> some photographing, and we will be consolidating all
> the pictures into one database.
>
> Thanks for your patience with this project.  I would
> be happy to accept large monetary donations from
> anyone who wants me to return and continue this.
> Really, I will.  No, I'm serious.  I will take
> anybody's money.  I'm not proud.  I want to go back!
> It may take several trips, so please contribute
> generously and often!  I will even send you a postcard
> while I'm there.
>
> Still dreaming in Italian,
> Terry
>
>
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From kimsansone at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 11 13:03:44 2006
From: kimsansone at sbcglobal.net (Kim Sansone)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 03:03:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] A few more questions for i nostri viaggiatori (our
	travellers)!
In-Reply-To: <20061011050045.82993.qmail@web60316.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20061011100344.68588.qmail@web81709.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ken, 

The younger people still congregate in front of the
Duomo. Talking and riding around on scooters and those
little cars.   Rose Campisi and Rose Khan can give you
more details, I am sure, as they spent I believe
Friday evening up there.  My cousin and I went up, but
couldn't find the two Rose's, so we went and had some
Gelato.   

Laura, Joe and I did enjoy a funny moment, but it was
in Rome.  A gentleman was sitting near us talking on
the phone.  He then answered a second phone and then a
third phone!  The Italians do not seem to believe in
too much air conditioning, so it was beginning to get
warm in the airport. The man proceeded to pull a box
out of his bag and pull out a green fan and was
fanning himself.  With his shirt unbuttoned half way
down, a very hairy chest and a huge silver cross on
his necklace, along with three phones, it was quite a
sight! 

As far as the scooters go, they seem to be everywhere.
 I was amazed that they would have a small child
standing on the scooter in front of the driver, no
helmet, and weaving in and out, between people and
cars! 


--- Ken Geraci <ken_geraci at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I re-read Laura's, Sheryl's, Elizabeth's and Joan's
> accounts and I'm sorry I didn't mention them also as
> great writers in my last email as their stories were
> very good as well. And I'm sure that I've still left
> off a few people. Mi dispiace!
> 
> I think many of us particularly enjoy reading about
> the various people and characters that you met in
> Sicily. Tell us about people - either family members
> or clerks, strangers or anyone you met there. And
> how
> about the parks? And the plaza in front of the
> duomo.
> Do young people still congregate there in the
> evenings
> and on weekends? And nobody has mentioned the
> scooters
> and motorcycles. Are they still there?
> 
> How did everyone do with the language? What was the
> biggest challenge, speaking Italian or understanding
> the Italian that was spoken to you? For me, I had
> studied Italian so forming the sentences was not too
> hard. However, UNDERSTANDING the Italian that was
> being spoken to me was the HARD part. And often,
> people lapse into true Sicilian for a word or phrase
> and this threw me for a loop. Was anyone in the
> group
> able to speak in true Sicilian? Maybe Madeleine? 
> 
> Tell us more!
> 
> Ken
> 
> --- Sheryl Hartnett <sah71052 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > My trip started out sitting in the plane for 5
> hours
> > AT THE GATE in St. Louis.  They let us off then
> for
> > a
> > while and we reboarded.  
> 
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Wed Oct 11 13:35:22 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:35:22 -0500
Subject: [TI] A few more questions for i nostri viaggiatori
	(our	travellers)!
In-Reply-To: <20061011100344.68588.qmail@web81709.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20061011100344.68588.qmail@web81709.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <452CC8EA.2090801@madisontelco.com>

I was amazed at how some of the italians were just like us - we don't 
want our pictures taken unless we are fully dressed and groomed to our best

When Paul and I went back to take pictures of me standing next to my 
great-grandparents homes where they were born, there were two ladies 
sitting out in the street on Via Panzica.  Paul took several pictures of 
me standing next to the door of the house where my great-grandfather 
Saverio Sansone was born.  We explained that he was born there and then 
Paul gestured for them to get in the picture with me.  One lady was more 
than willing to get in the picture.  The other one kept pointing to her 
hair, her clothes, etc and babbling in italian at us that she wasn't 
dressed to take any pictures.  Finally she got in the picture with me 
and the other lady



From philcutrara1 at netzero.net  Wed Oct 11 15:53:00 2006
From: philcutrara1 at netzero.net (Phil Cutrara)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:53:00 GMT
Subject: [TI] trip to Termini Imerese
Message-ID: <20061011.055345.752.497630@webmail09.nyc.untd.com>

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From aj4eyes at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 11 16:23:30 2006
From: aj4eyes at sympatico.ca (A. J. Quattrocchi)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:23:30 -0400
Subject: [TI] A brief laugh about the hotel in Termini
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I enjoyed hearing your comments and experiences about having the pasta with sardines which is a popular dish in that region of sicily. In 1975 my wife and I my mother in law and a niece toured Italy and then spent a week in TI and Palermo staying in relatives cold homes, one day one of them spent the afternoon preparing PastaCon Sarde, which was realy nice and the first time we had tasted it. Later in Palermo we went to a restaurant and they had it on the menu which I ordered and it was even better. After getting home a few years later we were in florida [St. Petersburg] and in an Italian specialty store saw cans of Pasta con Sarde which you mix with your own cooked pasta and viola your favourite dish. We can get it here in Ottawa Canada. enjoy
A.J. QUATTROCCHI


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Massaro" <acm605 at comcast.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] A brief laugh about the hotel in Termini


> I agree about the soup nazi. Signore Carlini. What a sour puss. Our favorite joke in italy was NO!. they loved to say that and the longer i sat and watched, it didn't matter if you were american or italian they just don't give service with a smile.
> 
> --
> Tony Massaro
> acm605 at comcast.net
> 
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: SReif1956 at comcast.net
> > We all got to experience the "soup nazi", aka the wine waiter in a white jacket.
> > 
> > The also experienced the absence of butter at a few meals....burra fini!!! No 
> > burra for you!!!! What a scream.  And rolls that seemed to get more stale as 
> > each day passed by.  I plan to make the chicken with eggplant slice and 
> > cheese/sauce topping.  It was very good.  It is good not to get charged for 
> > water....3 euro!
> > 
> > Termini has an in-house stairmaster.....the 99 steps from bassa to alta.  My 
> > thighs are pretty tight right now.  It is better than using the Buns of Steel 
> > video workout. A great cardio workout every day.
> > 
> > The gelato was to die for...I highly recommend the Ciambella flavor.  The price 
> > on the gelato got a little more expensive everyday.  I guess they realized the 
> > Americani were in town.
> > 
> > Thank goodness for electronics stores.  I needed to buy a new digital camera 
> > after I let my go bouncing across the stone alleyway when I met the Busalacchi 
> > kin who is now living in what was my Pitti great grandparents home.  What a 
> > surprise.
> > 
> > And the tour guide we had in Agrigento...WOW.  Those of you ladies who are 
> > single...have I got a man for you!  Vittorio Palermo was his name, and I took 
> > photos of his good side, his better side and his best side!  He was so cute. He 
> > had my attention the entire time of the tour.
> > 
> > The cemtery was a "don't miss" part of the trip.  Found some family names and 
> > made me feel like I was truly a part of the Termini community.
> > 
> > I did not study my Italian enough, I guess, or those Sicilians need to slow down 
> > their speech.  However, I did get by.  
> > 
> > I'll let someone else chime in on their experiences.  Toodles.
> > 
> > Sharon
> > 
> > 
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From hjenkins at SW.rr.com  Wed Oct 11 19:16:44 2006
From: hjenkins at SW.rr.com (Barbara Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:16:44 -0500
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
References: <LOBBLKKLDJDGJKFLCLLEMEBFEDAA.fpalmis@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <008b01c6ed50$a4f082f0$bbce1942@new>

Frank,
Thank you so much for the beautiful presentation.  I feel so lucky to 
recognize most of the places.  What a wonderful trip and group we had.  Your 
pictures reminded me of the fantastic weather.  Who could ask for more?  Are 
you ready for 2011?
I am still working on my pictures - and jealous of the job you did.  Also 
waiting for my luggage to arrive!
Barbara Jenkins

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 8:25 PM
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


>
>
> I've put my pics into a slide show that you can view at
> http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you are using a dial-up
> connection.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Frank Palmisano
>
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From kimsansone at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 11 19:38:31 2006
From: kimsansone at sbcglobal.net (Kim Sansone)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:38:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
In-Reply-To: <008b01c6ed50$a4f082f0$bbce1942@new>
Message-ID: <20061011163831.19510.qmail@web81711.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Barbara, 

Your family isn't having much luck when it comes to
your luggage are you? 

How was Venice? 

Kim 

--- Barbara Jenkins <hjenkins at SW.rr.com> wrote:

> Frank,
> Thank you so much for the beautiful presentation.  I
> feel so lucky to 
> recognize most of the places.  What a wonderful trip
> and group we had.  Your 
> pictures reminded me of the fantastic weather.  Who
> could ask for more?  Are 
> you ready for 2011?
> I am still working on my pictures - and jealous of
> the job you did.  Also 
> waiting for my luggage to arrive!
> Barbara Jenkins
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 8:25 PM
> Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > I've put my pics into a slide show that you can
> view at
> > http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you
> are using a dial-up
> > connection.
> >
> > Thanks!!
> >
> > Frank Palmisano
> >
> >
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From erbudry at sc.rr.com  Thu Oct 12 00:39:49 2006
From: erbudry at sc.rr.com (Elizabeth Budry)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:39:49 -0400
Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
In-Reply-To: <20061009123219.60731.qmail@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004401c6ed7d$caff4620$6501a8c0@Office>

Kim:

What a clever person you are!!  If there is a commune listing of Terrasini
which is in the PA province, could you please copy/scan them and either
e-mail them to me or snail mail?  My paternal grandfather's line is from
Terrasini (Tocco, Aiello, Frontieri).  Many thanks.

Elizabeth Budry  

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Kim Sansone
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:32 AM
To: Termini Website
Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book

While in Termini Imerese I was able to obtain a 2004-
2005 Palermo province phone book, from a very nice
store owner.  I have made copies of the Termini
Imerese pages, which I will mail to Laura and she is
going to put on the website for easy access to the
group. 

If anyone needs any information for cities other than
Termini that are located in the Palermo province,
please let me know and I will be happy to look the
information up for you. 

Kim Sansone 

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From kimsansone at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 12 00:41:32 2006
From: kimsansone at sbcglobal.net (Kim Sansone)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:41:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
In-Reply-To: <004401c6ed7d$caff4620$6501a8c0@Office>
Message-ID: <20061011214132.87668.qmail@web81710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Send me your snail mail address and I will mail it out
tomorrow. 

Kim

--- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:

> Kim:
> 
> What a clever person you are!!  If there is a
> commune listing of Terrasini
> which is in the PA province, could you please
> copy/scan them and either
> e-mail them to me or snail mail?  My paternal
> grandfather's line is from
> Terrasini (Tocco, Aiello, Frontieri).  Many thanks.
> 
> Elizabeth Budry  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
> On Behalf Of Kim Sansone
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:32 AM
> To: Termini Website
> Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
> 
> While in Termini Imerese I was able to obtain a
> 2004-
> 2005 Palermo province phone book, from a very nice
> store owner.  I have made copies of the Termini
> Imerese pages, which I will mail to Laura and she is
> going to put on the website for easy access to the
> group. 
> 
> If anyone needs any information for cities other
> than
> Termini that are located in the Palermo province,
> please let me know and I will be happy to look the
> information up for you. 
> 
> Kim Sansone 
> 
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From erbudry at sc.rr.com  Thu Oct 12 01:11:08 2006
From: erbudry at sc.rr.com (Elizabeth Budry)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:11:08 -0400
Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
In-Reply-To: <20061011214132.87668.qmail@web81710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c6ed82$27abf4f0$6501a8c0@Office>

Kim:

Many thanks.  Didn't have time to take the train to Terrasini this time but
will the next time (and there will be a next time).

Elizabeth Budry
7 Oak Bluff Ct.
Columbia, SC  29223

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Kim Sansone
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:42 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book

Send me your snail mail address and I will mail it out
tomorrow. 

Kim

--- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:

> Kim:
> 
> What a clever person you are!!  If there is a
> commune listing of Terrasini
> which is in the PA province, could you please
> copy/scan them and either
> e-mail them to me or snail mail?  My paternal
> grandfather's line is from
> Terrasini (Tocco, Aiello, Frontieri).  Many thanks.
> 
> Elizabeth Budry  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
> On Behalf Of Kim Sansone
> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:32 AM
> To: Termini Website
> Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
> 
> While in Termini Imerese I was able to obtain a
> 2004-
> 2005 Palermo province phone book, from a very nice
> store owner.  I have made copies of the Termini
> Imerese pages, which I will mail to Laura and she is
> going to put on the website for easy access to the
> group. 
> 
> If anyone needs any information for cities other
> than
> Termini that are located in the Palermo province,
> please let me know and I will be happy to look the
> information up for you. 
> 
> Kim Sansone 
> 
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From jlip37 at verizon.net  Thu Oct 12 01:31:32 2006
From: jlip37 at verizon.net (Joan Petrulis)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:31:32 -0500
Subject: [TI] Miraculous 99 STEPS
References: <3b3.8f9d705.325d7c15@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c6ed85$02469050$4001a8c0@Gonzo>

They should be called the MIRACULOUS 99 STEPS.

In preparation for this trip I worked out 5 days a week and promptly hurt my 
ankle so badly that I had to tone it down to a slow walk on the treadmill. 
Each time I tried to increase the speed the ankle cracked, squeaked and hurt 
all over again. After a week in Termini my ankle is 100% improved and I am 
back to my speedier exercising regime. I'm thinking next time I'm in TI I 
should climb those steps on my knees and give thanks to the 
Madonna...hm...maybe NOT.

Joan P.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:43 PM
Subject: [TI] 99 STEPS


> Everyone's account of the 99 steps, and other things have me cracking up
> laughing.  I've never laughed so hard in a long time.  It's just 
> hysterical the
> way you all recount it.  I'm so happy to see that everyone  managed to 
> keep
> their sense of humor in lieu of all that they went though....No  burra for
> you!!!!  Burra fini!!!!!....oh, there I go again....I'm in
> stitches....hahaha...You all are great.
>
> I'm glad that you all had such a good time, and could enjoy Termini
> together.  I'm also glad to know of these things before hand so that I go 
> there
> expecting it all to happen to me, knowing that it will, and when it does 
> to be
> able to deal with it as graciously and humorously as you all  have.
>
> Thank you all for your wonderful accounts of Termini-Imerese.  I can't 
> wait
> to get home every day to read the list.
>
> Diane
> New Orleans
>
>
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Thu Oct 12 01:41:11 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:41:11 -0400
Subject: [TI] Miraculous 99 STEPS
References: <3b3.8f9d705.325d7c15@aol.com>
	<001e01c6ed85$02469050$4001a8c0@Gonzo>
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.153.74$.005f01c6ed86$5ae95700$4a9950ce@DJZBSK81>

I just left my cousins house that had about 10 steps no rail, I hurt my hip 
and back walking down them.  So I could not do those steps.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joan Petrulis" <jlip37 at verizon.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Miraculous 99 STEPS


> They should be called the MIRACULOUS 99 STEPS.
>
> In preparation for this trip I worked out 5 days a week and promptly hurt 
> my
> ankle so badly that I had to tone it down to a slow walk on the treadmill.
> Each time I tried to increase the speed the ankle cracked, squeaked and 
> hurt
> all over again. After a week in Termini my ankle is 100% improved and I am
> back to my speedier exercising regime. I'm thinking next time I'm in TI I
> should climb those steps on my knees and give thanks to the
> Madonna...hm...maybe NOT.
>
> Joan P.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:43 PM
> Subject: [TI] 99 STEPS
>
>
>> Everyone's account of the 99 steps, and other things have me cracking up
>> laughing.  I've never laughed so hard in a long time.  It's just
>> hysterical the
>> way you all recount it.  I'm so happy to see that everyone  managed to
>> keep
>> their sense of humor in lieu of all that they went though....No  burra 
>> for
>> you!!!!  Burra fini!!!!!....oh, there I go again....I'm in
>> stitches....hahaha...You all are great.
>>
>> I'm glad that you all had such a good time, and could enjoy Termini
>> together.  I'm also glad to know of these things before hand so that I go
>> there
>> expecting it all to happen to me, knowing that it will, and when it does
>> to be
>> able to deal with it as graciously and humorously as you all  have.
>>
>> Thank you all for your wonderful accounts of Termini-Imerese.  I can't
>> wait
>> to get home every day to read the list.
>>
>> Diane
>> New Orleans
>>
>>
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From LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com  Thu Oct 12 01:36:38 2006
From: LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com (LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:36:38 EDT
Subject: [TI] Miraculous 99 STEPS
Message-ID: <4a4.8ce47ea.325ecbf6@aol.com>

I know one thing, not one person who has read any of these recent messages  
on the list about the trip to Termini and the "99 Steps" will go to Termini  
without seeing them, and giving them a try.  They have become famous on  this 
list!  I'm sure they were world famous before to anyone who  experienced them 
but they really made a hit with the subscribers on the  list.  I love it!!  
 
Diane
 
In a message dated 10/11/2006 5:32:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
jlip37 at verizon.net writes:
They should be called the MIRACULOUS 99  STEPS.

In preparation for this trip I worked out 5 days a week and  promptly hurt my 
ankle so badly that I had to tone it down to a slow walk on  the treadmill. 
Each time I tried to increase the speed the ankle cracked,  squeaked and hurt 
all over again. After a week in Termini my ankle is 100%  improved and I am 
back to my speedier exercising regime. I'm thinking next  time I'm in TI I 
should climb those steps on my knees and give thanks to the  
Madonna...hm...maybe NOT.

Joan P.

----- Original Message -----  
From: <LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com>
To:  <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006  5:43 PM
Subject: [TI] 99 STEPS


> Everyone's account of the 99  steps, and other things have me cracking up
> laughing.  I've never  laughed so hard in a long time.  It's just 
> hysterical the
>  way you all recount it.  I'm so happy to see that everyone  managed to  
> keep
> their sense of humor in lieu of all that they went  though....No  burra for
> you!!!!  Burra fini!!!!!....oh, there  I go again....I'm in
> stitches....hahaha...You all are  great.
>
> I'm glad that you all had such a good time, and could  enjoy Termini
> together.  I'm also glad to know of these things  before hand so that I go 
> there
> expecting it all to happen to  me, knowing that it will, and when it does 
> to be
> able to deal  with it as graciously and humorously as you all  have.
>
>  Thank you all for your wonderful accounts of Termini-Imerese.  I can't  
> wait
> to get home every day to read the list.
>
>  Diane
> New Orleans
>
>
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From LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com  Thu Oct 12 01:48:22 2006
From: LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com (LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:48:22 EDT
Subject: [TI] Miraculous 99 STEPS
Message-ID: <38a.d36946b.325eceb6@aol.com>

I must be crazy but, I would love to give them a try.  I don't do  steps well 
either.  When I go to the movies, I like to sit all the way at  the top of 
the stadium seats and it just about kills me to get up there.   It takes about 
five minutes of bellowing like a buffalo to catch my  breath!  So why do I want 
to do those steps?  Because my ancestors  walked them, and I want to walk in 
their footsteps.  I guess I could find  an easier place though to walk in 
their footsteps but the list has made them  sound fascinating to me.  
 
Diane
 
In a message dated 10/11/2006 5:43:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
anniegoe at fyi.net writes:
I just left my cousins house that had about 10 steps  no rail, I hurt my hip 
and back walking down them.  So I could not do  those steps.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joan Petrulis"  <jlip37 at verizon.net>
To:  <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006  6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Miraculous 99 STEPS


> They should be  called the MIRACULOUS 99 STEPS.
>
> In preparation for this trip I  worked out 5 days a week and promptly hurt 
> my
> ankle so badly  that I had to tone it down to a slow walk on the treadmill.
> Each time I  tried to increase the speed the ankle cracked, squeaked and 
>  hurt
> all over again. After a week in Termini my ankle is 100% improved  and I am
> back to my speedier exercising regime. I'm thinking next time  I'm in TI I
> should climb those steps on my knees and give thanks to  the
> Madonna...hm...maybe NOT.
>
> Joan P.
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com>
>  To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10,  2006 5:43 PM
> Subject: [TI] 99 STEPS
>
>
>>  Everyone's account of the 99 steps, and other things have me cracking  up
>> laughing.  I've never laughed so hard in a long time.   It's just
>> hysterical the
>> way you all recount it.   I'm so happy to see that everyone  managed to
>> keep
>>  their sense of humor in lieu of all that they went though....No  burra  
>> for
>> you!!!!  Burra fini!!!!!....oh, there I go  again....I'm in
>> stitches....hahaha...You all are  great.
>>
>> I'm glad that you all had such a good time, and  could enjoy Termini
>> together.  I'm also glad to know of these  things before hand so that I go
>> there
>> expecting it all  to happen to me, knowing that it will, and when it does
>> to  be
>> able to deal with it as graciously and humorously as you  all  have.
>>
>> Thank you all for your wonderful  accounts of Termini-Imerese.  I can't
>> wait
>> to get  home every day to read the list.
>>
>> Diane
>> New  Orleans
>>
>>
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From jlip37 at verizon.net  Thu Oct 12 01:55:08 2006
From: jlip37 at verizon.net (Joan Petrulis)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:55:08 -0500
Subject: [TI] taxis
References: <BAY108-F36DB00BBD6D2221A65695B8170@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00c401c6ed88$4d777f50$4001a8c0@Gonzo>

The problem I had was that taxis were not recognizable once you were 
deposited somewhere and needed a ride back. However, who needs a taxi when 
you have famiglia? We were searching for a Banco di Sicilia and our cugini 
(?) happened to be driving down the street. They jumped out of the car and 
left it running right in traffic as they proceeded to direct us. After much 
arm waving and shouting Pietro got back in and drove off while Teresa helped 
us with our banking task.When we found the bank we pulled #149 and the 
teller was on #20. A futile errand, we decided we didn't need to spend any 
money after all.

Joan P.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:03 PM
Subject: [TI] taxis


>
> We used a taxi the first morning when we overslept and had to get to the
> Duomo for the tour (that was postponed) right away. The desk clerk looked 
> at
> me like I was nuts when I said I needed a taxi right now. Not on Sicilian
> time! One did come in about 5 minutes, so I was impressed based on what I
> had heard. The hotel apparently had 2 "reliable" taxi drivers that they
> recommend and call when needed.
>
> Corie
>
>
>
>>From: Ken Geraci <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
>>Reply-To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS - Frank
>>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:53:03 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>Frank,
>>
>>Your email brings back memories about the steps and
>>the "cardio-vascular" workout they inevitably give
>>you.
>>
>>I was in Termini during the last week of July, 1999
>>through the first week in August and I was only 36
>>years old back then but I remembered having to stop
>>very frequently just to catch my breath. Of course
>>during that time of the year Termini was a sweltering
>>sauna.
>>
>>I was staying at Il Gabbiano hotel which was at least
>>1/2 mile from the train station. I had to walk along
>>the bay to get to the train station area and THEN walk
>>up via Roma with the 99 steps. I would start out fresh
>>from my hotel but by the time I got to the Duomo I
>>would need to go back to the hotel for another shower!
>>I could rarely find a taxi then until the last day
>>when the taxi driver gave me his cell phone number
>>(which I've lost).
>>
>>How was the taxi availability this time? Did anyone in
>>the group use the taxis?
>>
>>Ken
>>
>>--- "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Terry's additional description of alternatives to
>> > the 99 steps meant for me
>> > that ANY way up/down was UPPPPP and DOWNNNN!!  Even
>> > within Alta or Bassa,
>> > there seem to be UPPS and DOWWNNS!  No escape!  BUT,
>> > suffering from the bad
>> > knees and arthritis that Ken mentions, I actually
>> > found that I came back in
>> > better shape, knees/arthritis-wise, than when I
>> > left.  As Terry pointed out,
>> > the real stress seemed to be cardiac/respiratory.
>> > These steps were the
>> > ultimate workout!  Another common experience: while
>> > we americani struggled,
>> > we were usually passed up by quite unstressed little
>> > old men and women.  Why
>> > not?  They've grown up doing this!
>> >
>> > Frank Palmisano
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Ken Geraci [mailto:ken_geraci at yahoo.com]
>> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:48 PM
>> > To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> > Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS
>> >
>> >
>> > There are other ways around besides the 99 steps but
>> > Termini does have LOTS of uphill and down hill
>> > sections. Everyone should keep this in mind. Bad
>> > knees
>> > and arthritis seem to be prevalent with Termitani so
>> > don't wait too late in life to go.
>> >
>> > Ken
>> >
>> > --- LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> > > A.J.,
>> > >
>> > > Stick around.  In five years I'll need you to help
>> > > me up those 99  steps!
>> > >
>> > > Diane
>> > >
>> > > In a message dated 10/7/2006 4:42:14 P.M. Central
>> > > Daylight Time,
>> > > aj4eyes at sympatico.ca writes:
>> > > Laura I am sure enjoying all the stories of the
>> > > trips to TI, I would have
>> > > liked to go, but in 5 years for the next trip I
>> > will
>> > >  be about 90 and that is a
>> > > question mark, waitng for cousin Madeleine to get
>> > > home  on the 15th to hear
>> > > what she found out, enjoy your memories. A.J.
>> > > Quattrocchi a  100% Termitani.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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>> >
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>> >
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Thu Oct 12 02:04:28 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:04:28 -0500
Subject: [TI] taxis
In-Reply-To: <00c401c6ed88$4d777f50$4001a8c0@Gonzo>
References: <BAY108-F36DB00BBD6D2221A65695B8170@phx.gbl>
	<00c401c6ed88$4d777f50$4001a8c0@Gonzo>
Message-ID: <452D787C.8000400@madisontelco.com>

This sounds similar to the experience that Paul Caito and I had at the 
post office.  Paul wanted to buy stamps and I needed a few also.  He 
took a number............there were four windows open and the people 
were just standing around waiting for their numbers to be called.  There 
were 7 or 8 numbers in front of Paul's so after about 30 minutes of not 
getting any closer to the window, we left.  Then Jim and Elaine told us 
to buy them in the tobacco shop instead which we did in Cefalu'.  So 
much simpler.

By the way.........I mailed 1 postcard on Monday to my office.  It got 
there on Thursday - not too bad.  On Tuesday morning I mailed 3 more and 
they arrived on Saturday here in Staunton.

Joan Petrulis wrote:

>The problem I had was that taxis were not recognizable once you were 
>deposited somewhere and needed a ride back. However, who needs a taxi when 
>you have famiglia? We were searching for a Banco di Sicilia and our cugini 
>(?) happened to be driving down the street. They jumped out of the car and 
>left it running right in traffic as they proceeded to direct us. After much 
>arm waving and shouting Pietro got back in and drove off while Teresa helped 
>us with our banking task.When we found the bank we pulled #149 and the 
>teller was on #20. A futile errand, we decided we didn't need to spend any 
>money after all.
>
>Joan P.
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
>To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:03 PM
>Subject: [TI] taxis
>
>
>  
>
>>We used a taxi the first morning when we overslept and had to get to the
>>Duomo for the tour (that was postponed) right away. The desk clerk looked 
>>at
>>me like I was nuts when I said I needed a taxi right now. Not on Sicilian
>>time! One did come in about 5 minutes, so I was impressed based on what I
>>had heard. The hotel apparently had 2 "reliable" taxi drivers that they
>>recommend and call when needed.
>>
>>Corie
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>From: Ken Geraci <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
>>>Reply-To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>>To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>>Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS - Frank
>>>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:53:03 -0700 (PDT)
>>>
>>>Frank,
>>>
>>>Your email brings back memories about the steps and
>>>the "cardio-vascular" workout they inevitably give
>>>you.
>>>
>>>I was in Termini during the last week of July, 1999
>>>through the first week in August and I was only 36
>>>years old back then but I remembered having to stop
>>>very frequently just to catch my breath. Of course
>>>during that time of the year Termini was a sweltering
>>>sauna.
>>>
>>>I was staying at Il Gabbiano hotel which was at least
>>>1/2 mile from the train station. I had to walk along
>>>the bay to get to the train station area and THEN walk
>>>up via Roma with the 99 steps. I would start out fresh
>>>      
>>>
>>>from my hotel but by the time I got to the Duomo I
>>    
>>
>>>would need to go back to the hotel for another shower!
>>>I could rarely find a taxi then until the last day
>>>when the taxi driver gave me his cell phone number
>>>(which I've lost).
>>>
>>>How was the taxi availability this time? Did anyone in
>>>the group use the taxis?
>>>
>>>Ken
>>>
>>>--- "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Terry's additional description of alternatives to
>>>>the 99 steps meant for me
>>>>that ANY way up/down was UPPPPP and DOWNNNN!!  Even
>>>>within Alta or Bassa,
>>>>there seem to be UPPS and DOWWNNS!  No escape!  BUT,
>>>>suffering from the bad
>>>>knees and arthritis that Ken mentions, I actually
>>>>found that I came back in
>>>>better shape, knees/arthritis-wise, than when I
>>>>left.  As Terry pointed out,
>>>>the real stress seemed to be cardiac/respiratory.
>>>>These steps were the
>>>>ultimate workout!  Another common experience: while
>>>>we americani struggled,
>>>>we were usually passed up by quite unstressed little
>>>>old men and women.  Why
>>>>not?  They've grown up doing this!
>>>>
>>>>Frank Palmisano
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Ken Geraci [mailto:ken_geraci at yahoo.com]
>>>>Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:48 PM
>>>>To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>>>Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>There are other ways around besides the 99 steps but
>>>>Termini does have LOTS of uphill and down hill
>>>>sections. Everyone should keep this in mind. Bad
>>>>knees
>>>>and arthritis seem to be prevalent with Termitani so
>>>>don't wait too late in life to go.
>>>>
>>>>Ken
>>>>
>>>>--- LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>A.J.,
>>>>>
>>>>>Stick around.  In five years I'll need you to help
>>>>>me up those 99  steps!
>>>>>
>>>>>Diane
>>>>>
>>>>>In a message dated 10/7/2006 4:42:14 P.M. Central
>>>>>Daylight Time,
>>>>>aj4eyes at sympatico.ca writes:
>>>>>Laura I am sure enjoying all the stories of the
>>>>>trips to TI, I would have
>>>>>liked to go, but in 5 years for the next trip I
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>will
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>> be about 90 and that is a
>>>>>question mark, waitng for cousin Madeleine to get
>>>>>home  on the 15th to hear
>>>>>what she found out, enjoy your memories. A.J.
>>>>>Quattrocchi a  100% Termitani.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>TerminiImerese mailing list
>>>>>TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
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>>>
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Thu Oct 12 02:14:42 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:14:42 -0500
Subject: [TI] Churches
In-Reply-To: <452D787C.8000400@madisontelco.com>
References: <BAY108-F36DB00BBD6D2221A65695B8170@phx.gbl>	<00c401c6ed88$4d777f50$4001a8c0@Gonzo>
	<452D787C.8000400@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <452D7AE2.8030002@madisontelco.com>

For those who took pictures of the churches in TI, send them to me at Laura at termini-imerese.org :

I still need pictures for the following churches:

Maria SS del Carmelo
SS Salvatore
S. Caterina Vergine e Martire
S. Marina
S. Anna
Maria SS della Carita'
San Girolamo
Santa Lucia
S. Francesco di Paoolo (this one is listed as closed in the book I got)
SS. Cosimo e Damiano
SS. Crocifisso
Casa Circondariale
Opedale Civico




From jlip37 at verizon.net  Thu Oct 12 02:16:21 2006
From: jlip37 at verizon.net (Joan Petrulis)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:16:21 -0500
Subject: [TI] No Snow in Termini?
References: <BAY108-F36DB00BBD6D2221A65695B8170@phx.gbl>
	<00c401c6ed88$4d777f50$4001a8c0@Gonzo>
Message-ID: <000f01c6ed8b$47321760$4001a8c0@Gonzo>

I want to go back to Termini! Would you believe it is snowing today in 
Wisconsin! Lord, forgive me for complaining about the heat while I was 
dragging myself up and down steps in beautiful Termini.

Joan P.


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From tskibiski at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 12 03:09:00 2006
From: tskibiski at yahoo.com (Terry Skibiski)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:09:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] 198 STEPS
In-Reply-To: <38a.d36946b.325eceb6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20061012000900.32460.qmail@web35402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think we need to re-calculate the steps.  If you go
up 99, and come down 99, that makes 198.  I was also
thinking that if they were smart, most the ancestors
didn't climb the steps at all.  If they lived at the
top, they stayed at the top.  Those on the bottom were
bottom dwellers all their lives.  You know, sort of
like the Morlocks and Earloys of The Time Machine. 
Those who did have to climb them came to America to
escape.  Think about it:  Are there churches at the
top? Yes.  Are there churches at the bottom?  Yes.  Is
there gelatto at the top?  Yes.  Is there Gelatto at
the bottom?  Yes.  What else could possibly motivate
you to climb these things?  If you visited someone,
you stopped three times before you got there to drop
in on another relative, since you were in the
neighborhood (or altitude) and got refreshed. 

Terry 

--- LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:

> I must be crazy but, I would love to give them a
> try.  I don't do  steps well 
> either.  When I go to the movies, I like to sit all
> the way at  the top of 
> the stadium seats and it just about kills me to get
> up there.   It takes about 
> five minutes of bellowing like a buffalo to catch my
>  breath!  So why do I want 
> to do those steps?  Because my ancestors  walked
> them, and I want to walk in 
> their footsteps.  I guess I could find  an easier
> place though to walk in 
> their footsteps but the list has made them  sound
> fascinating to me.  
>  
> Diane


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From tskibiski at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 12 03:29:18 2006
From: tskibiski at yahoo.com (Terry Skibiski)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:29:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] taxis
In-Reply-To: <00c401c6ed88$4d777f50$4001a8c0@Gonzo>
Message-ID: <20061012002918.15583.qmail@web35405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

One afternoon Sheryl and I photographed some of the
cemetery, and on the way back decided to get a taxi,
since it was hot and we were tired.  We never saw one
drive by, so I stopped at a store and asked if they
could call one for us.  They tried, got no answer, so
the lady closed her shop and drove us back to the
hotel herself.  There are nice people in the world.

Terry  

--- Joan Petrulis <jlip37 at verizon.net> wrote:

> The problem I had was that taxis were not
> recognizable once you were 
> deposited somewhere and needed a ride back. However,
> who needs a taxi when 
> you have famiglia? We were searching for a Banco di
> Sicilia and our cugini 
> (?) happened to be driving down the street. They
> jumped out of the car and 
> left it running right in traffic as they proceeded
> to direct us. After much 
> arm waving and shouting Pietro got back in and drove
> off while Teresa helped 
> us with our banking task.When we found the bank we
> pulled #149 and the 
> teller was on #20. A futile errand, we decided we
> didn't need to spend any 
> money after all.
> 
> Joan P.


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From erbudry at sc.rr.com  Thu Oct 12 03:47:57 2006
From: erbudry at sc.rr.com (Elizabeth Budry)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:47:57 -0400
Subject: [TI] A few more questions for i nostri viaggiatori
	(ourtravellers)!
In-Reply-To: <20061011050045.82993.qmail@web60316.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c6ed98$13991810$6501a8c0@Office>

Ken:

For the most part, I understood a good part of what the locals said but the
problem herein is that I don't speak but a few phrases and/or words.  My
husband said he was surprised that we did as well as we did but he figured
it was because I persisted in trying to make myself understood.

In Termini at the train station, the machine stamps date and time on the
train tickets; in Palermo, the machine just makes a weird little partial
hole in the ticket.  We did not know the 5 pm train from Palermo to Termini
did not run on "festivi" days and guess what?  Sunday was a festivi day.
The gentleman in the information booth at the Palermo station did not
understand one lick of English but the woman had a better understanding.
She told us to take the Milan overnight and it stopped in Termini.  The
conductor told us to use the Primo Due cars (first or second) of about 25
cars.  I asked where we could "stampa" the tickets.  No one understood me
(no wonder) but when I motioned for stamping the ticket, they understood.
Then I was worried about the weird little hole in the ticket.  The conductor
told me he would scrivere the ticket when he collected them.

And God Bless Madeleine.  She helped us with the language barrier a whole
lot.  She was a tremendous help.  The local people were lovely and
demonstrated a willingness to help us Americani.  Their directions were
superb (even if we didn't understand them).  Between their gestures,
pointing, it was great.

Elizabeth Budry  
  

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Ken Geraci
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:01 AM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] A few more questions for i nostri viaggiatori
(ourtravellers)!

I re-read Laura's, Sheryl's, Elizabeth's and Joan's
accounts and I'm sorry I didn't mention them also as
great writers in my last email as their stories were
very good as well. And I'm sure that I've still left
off a few people. Mi dispiace!

I think many of us particularly enjoy reading about
the various people and characters that you met in
Sicily. Tell us about people - either family members
or clerks, strangers or anyone you met there. And how
about the parks? And the plaza in front of the duomo.
Do young people still congregate there in the evenings
and on weekends? And nobody has mentioned the scooters
and motorcycles. Are they still there?

How did everyone do with the language? What was the
biggest challenge, speaking Italian or understanding
the Italian that was spoken to you? For me, I had
studied Italian so forming the sentences was not too
hard. However, UNDERSTANDING the Italian that was
being spoken to me was the HARD part. And often,
people lapse into true Sicilian for a word or phrase
and this threw me for a loop. Was anyone in the group
able to speak in true Sicilian? Maybe Madeleine? 

Tell us more!

Ken

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> AT THE GATE in St. Louis.  They let us off then for
> a
> while and we reboarded.  

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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 12 05:00:17 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Elizabeth /trains/ Ken's 2006 Termini adventure
In-Reply-To: <000001c6ed98$13991810$6501a8c0@Office>
Message-ID: <20061012020017.39682.qmail@web60324.mail.yahoo.com>

Elizabeth,

Thanks for the response. Your mention of the Termini
trains brings back memories. I was always kind of
nervous that I was going to mess up with the tickets
(in getting them stamped). And sure enough one time I
got on the train and I had forgotten to get the ticket
stamped and I was panicking as the train was ready to
depart but then I saw a conductor and told him and he
also personally took care of my ticket like yours did.

I am not surprised that Madeleine was one of the main
communicators either. In Salt Lake City we were
discussing Sicilian words that we heard as children
and I mentioned "meschino" (poor, wretched person) and
she was the only one out of a large group of us who
instantly knew its meaning.

Speaking of Madeleine, was she again always ten paces
ahead of everyone else in the group? In Salt Lake city
she had the energy and endurance of a high-school
track athlete!! Rose Campisi and I huffed and puffed
several paces behind her most of the time! LOL

I missed Madeleine a lot since I didn't get to go this
year. I actually tried to call the Grand Hotel while
you all were there and they kept telling me there was
"no Signora Madelena Gill" staying at the hotel. I
even tried asking for Madelana Badali (her maiden
name). Finally, the third or fourth day I called again
and the same thing happened. But then the desk
attendant said "OH!!! LA SIGNORA MADALENA JEEL" (he
was pronouncing the "G" like a "J" and I said "Si,
Si!!!"

But they told me she wasn't in her room (I tried to
call around 1:30 PM Central time (US) on October 3rd.
I then tried asking for "la Signora Lah-OOH-rah
Johnson" but she was also not "in camera" (in her
room) either. Oh well, I tried!

Wow... I guess that was my 2006 Termini adventure!

Ken


--- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:

> Ken:
> 
> For the most part, I understood a good part of what
> the locals said but the
> problem herein is that I don't speak but a few
> phrases and/or words.  My
> husband said he was surprised that we did as well as
> we did but he figured
> it was because I persisted in trying to make myself
> understood.
> 
> In Termini at the train station, the machine stamps
> date and time on the
> train tickets; in Palermo, the machine just makes a
> weird little partial
> hole in the ticket.  We did not know the 5 pm train
> from Palermo to Termini
> did not run on "festivi" days and guess what? 
> Sunday was a festivi day.
> The gentleman in the information booth at the
> Palermo station did not
> understand one lick of English but the woman had a
> better understanding.
> She told us to take the Milan overnight and it
> stopped in Termini.  The
> conductor told us to use the Primo Due cars (first
> or second) of about 25
> cars.  I asked where we could "stampa" the tickets. 
> No one understood me
> (no wonder) but when I motioned for stamping the
> ticket, they understood.
> Then I was worried about the weird little hole in
> the ticket.  The conductor
> told me he would scrivere the ticket when he
> collected them.
> 
> And God Bless Madeleine.  She helped us with the
> language barrier a whole
> lot.  She was a tremendous help.  The local people
> were lovely and
> demonstrated a willingness to help us Americani. 
> Their directions were
> superb (even if we didn't understand them).  Between
> their gestures,
> pointing, it was great.
> 
> Elizabeth Budry  
>   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
> On Behalf Of Ken Geraci
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:01 AM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] A few more questions for i nostri
> viaggiatori
> (ourtravellers)!
> 
> I re-read Laura's, Sheryl's, Elizabeth's and Joan's
> accounts and I'm sorry I didn't mention them also as
> great writers in my last email as their stories were
> very good as well. And I'm sure that I've still left
> off a few people. Mi dispiace!
> 
> I think many of us particularly enjoy reading about
> the various people and characters that you met in
> Sicily. Tell us about people - either family members
> or clerks, strangers or anyone you met there. And
> how
> about the parks? And the plaza in front of the
> duomo.
> Do young people still congregate there in the
> evenings
> and on weekends? And nobody has mentioned the
> scooters
> and motorcycles. Are they still there?
> 
> How did everyone do with the language? What was the
> biggest challenge, speaking Italian or understanding
> the Italian that was spoken to you? For me, I had
> studied Italian so forming the sentences was not too
> hard. However, UNDERSTANDING the Italian that was
> being spoken to me was the HARD part. And often,
> people lapse into true Sicilian for a word or phrase
> and this threw me for a loop. Was anyone in the
> group
> able to speak in true Sicilian? Maybe Madeleine? 
> 
> Tell us more!
> 
> Ken
> 
> --- Sheryl Hartnett <sah71052 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > My trip started out sitting in the plane for 5
> hours
> > AT THE GATE in St. Louis.  They let us off then
> for
> > a
> > while and we reboarded.  
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From italiancousin at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 12 06:19:00 2006
From: italiancousin at yahoo.com (Roseann Lemp)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:19:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Ancestors Address in Termini
In-Reply-To: <44F79AA0.5020407@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <20061012031900.46699.qmail@web39508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My grandfather ..Augustino Brugnone..bricklayer.lived
at 6 Marfisi

--- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:

> Send them to the list and I will keep track of them
> and post them on the 
> website.
> 
> PLEASE don't keep repeating them thru the list
> 
> Gloria Otto wrote:
> 
> >Yes but I love seeing everyone contributing.  It is
> so interesting and
> >exciting.
> >
> >Gloria
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Rosalie
> >Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:12 PM
> >To: TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >Subject: Re: [TI] Ancestors Address in Termini
> >
> >fine.  Do you think we need to send this to Laura
> and let her do a site for 
> >us?  I think it would be easier to keep track of.
> >Rosalie Amison
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Gloria Otto" <gotto at ameritech.net>
> >To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:05 PM
> >Subject: Re: [TI] Ancestors Address in Termini
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>1.Leonardo Giuffre b.1877 Via Lo Faso 15 (aka Via
> Macello)Alta Butcher
> >>Duomo (Gloria)
> >>2. Nunzio Russo born 1867 was a carter in Sicily,
> Macaroni factory in
> >>Cleveland, Ohio and in Rochester, New York.
> (Rosalie Amison)
> >>3. Vincenzo LoBello b. 1864  lived at 9 Amodeo
> Dias (Nancy Yesu
> >>
> >>So sorry Rosalie. old eyes. Thanks for the
> correction.ok now?
> >>Gloria
> >>
> >>Missed part of the information.  The factory was
> macaroni.
> >>Rosalie Amison
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From LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com  Thu Oct 12 06:25:00 2006
From: LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com (LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:25:00 EDT
Subject: [TI] Ancestors Address in Termini
Message-ID: <409.6b73f105.325f0f8c@aol.com>

Laura,
 
If one made an inquiry to the vital records bureau in Termini either by  
phone or by snail mail, would there be people there who know of relatives if you  
give them the name of your ancestor?  Just a thought.
 
Thanks.
 
Diane



From NCOLBY at allstate.com  Thu Oct 12 13:10:27 2006
From: NCOLBY at allstate.com (Colby, Nancy)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:10:27 -0500
Subject: [TI] No Snow in Termini?
Message-ID: <0BF482116FEFCA4392898C6C19B67E150B0A705A@a0001-xpo0117-s.hodc.ad.allstate.com>

Me too, I'm in Illinois and it is cold.  It's hard to believe that just
last week we were in Termini, enjoying the beautiful picture post card
days.  Didn't the week go by really fast??

Nancy 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:16 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] No Snow in Termini?

I want to go back to Termini! Would you believe it is snowing today in
Wisconsin! Lord, forgive me for complaining about the heat while I was
dragging myself up and down steps in beautiful Termini.

Joan P.


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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Thu Oct 12 13:20:06 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:20:06 -0500
Subject: [TI] No Snow in Termini?
In-Reply-To: <0BF482116FEFCA4392898C6C19B67E150B0A705A@a0001-xpo0117-s.hodc.ad.allstate.com>
References: <0BF482116FEFCA4392898C6C19B67E150B0A705A@a0001-xpo0117-s.hodc.ad.allstate.com>
Message-ID: <452E16D6.1000608@madisontelco.com>

way too fast!!!!!

Colby, Nancy wrote:

>Me too, I'm in Illinois and it is cold.  It's hard to believe that just
>last week we were in Termini, enjoying the beautiful picture post card
>days.  Didn't the week go by really fast??
>
>Nancy 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
>[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Joan
>Petrulis
>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:16 PM
>To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>Subject: Re: [TI] No Snow in Termini?
>
>I want to go back to Termini! Would you believe it is snowing today in
>Wisconsin! Lord, forgive me for complaining about the heat while I was
>dragging myself up and down steps in beautiful Termini.
>
>Joan P.
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From kimsansone at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 12 15:22:07 2006
From: kimsansone at sbcglobal.net (Kim Sansone)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:22:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
In-Reply-To: <004b01c6ed82$27abf4f0$6501a8c0@Office>
Message-ID: <20061012122207.77916.qmail@web81715.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Elizabeth, 

Made the copies of Terrasini section of phone book.  I
see some Aiello's, no Frontiere's but lots and lots of
Tocco's.  Will put in the mail this morning. 

--- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:

> Kim:
> 
> Many thanks.  Didn't have time to take the train to
> Terrasini this time but
> will the next time (and there will be a next time).
> 
> Elizabeth Budry
> 7 Oak Bluff Ct.
> Columbia, SC  29223
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
> On Behalf Of Kim Sansone
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:42 PM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
> 
> Send me your snail mail address and I will mail it
> out
> tomorrow. 
> 
> Kim
> 
> --- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > Kim:
> > 
> > What a clever person you are!!  If there is a
> > commune listing of Terrasini
> > which is in the PA province, could you please
> > copy/scan them and either
> > e-mail them to me or snail mail?  My paternal
> > grandfather's line is from
> > Terrasini (Tocco, Aiello, Frontieri).  Many
> thanks.
> > 
> > Elizabeth Budry  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> > [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
> > On Behalf Of Kim Sansone
> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:32 AM
> > To: Termini Website
> > Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
> > 
> > While in Termini Imerese I was able to obtain a
> > 2004-
> > 2005 Palermo province phone book, from a very nice
> > store owner.  I have made copies of the Termini
> > Imerese pages, which I will mail to Laura and she
> is
> > going to put on the website for easy access to the
> > group. 
> > 
> > If anyone needs any information for cities other
> > than
> > Termini that are located in the Palermo province,
> > please let me know and I will be happy to look the
> > information up for you. 
> > 
> > Kim Sansone 
> > 
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From franthony at trappist.net  Thu Oct 12 15:22:35 2006
From: franthony at trappist.net (Fr. Anthony Delisi)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:22:35 -0400
Subject: [TI] cemetery
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-DAV14B11AE89C78B3786C3CA9B8140@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004d01c6edf9$1c8844d0$6d01a8c0@109anthny>

Dear Cousins,

In the Termini cemetery it is the custom every few years to empty the older
caskets into a common casket in; the bottom of the compartment.

PAX. fr. Anthony Delisi

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Corie
Lindemann
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:00 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] cemetery

Terry,
Thanks for the details on the graves. I wondered how deep they were and how 
many they fit in there when we were watching the burials.  We saw several 
headstones with quite a few names and could not figure the space logistics, 
especially after watching a couple of burials! The graves didn't seem that 
deep. I just feel sorry for those poor people whose family didn't pay rent 
(including mine). The center of those sections are so bleak and barren.
Toto was trying to tell me something about my great great grandfathers grave

and I wish I had an interpreter along for that part. We were interrupted by 
some official cemetery business. I think he was just telling me that there 
wasn't a stone for him, but I'll have to find out more next time! (and learn

more Italian!)
I'm buying lottery tickets for the return trip!!  I'm thinking timeshare! 
Some place with a good supply of butter and cheese and free water (no gas!)!

Corie

PS... I, too, had several dreams in Italian on the plane and after my 
return. I couldn't understand too much, but I just kept saying "mi dispiace"

and "grazie" a lot.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry Skibiski" <tskibiski at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:51 AM
Subject: [TI] cemetery


Greetings, all!  I just thought I'd scribble a few
lines to let you know how the Termini cemetery project
went, and share a little information I learned while
there.   I talked to To To Loparella, the cemetery
director, via an interpreter and was given some
interesting information.  We had been told some of
this before, but he helped fill in some of the gaps.
The plots in the cemetery are not like the nice grassy
plots here with one or two people buried in each
space.  There are 20 sections in the main part of the
cemetery, and the graves are situated around the
perimeter of each section.  Sections are separated by
narrow paved streets.  Graves consist of a concrete or
marble slab over a grave 16 feet deep, which is also
lined with concrete.  Caskets are lowered into the
vertical crypt, and piled one on top of each other.
In this way entire families can be buried together.
Headstones for the most part consist of marble,
limestone, or concrete vertical slabs inlaid with oval
ceramic photos of the deceased, with the birth and
death dates recorded underneath or next to the photo.
Some also have small plaques sitting on marble easels
on top of the slab.  Grave sites are rented to the
families for 20 years, and if the rent is not renewed,
then the bodies are exhumed and re-interred in the
central area of the section, sometimes with a small
steel cross or rock to mark the spot, but more often
than not, no marker at all.  The concrete sites are
then rented to another family.   Old headstones are
returned to the family.  Of course, if the family does
renew the rent, then the bodies remain for a longer
time.  Occasionally families will acquire a larger
site and move the scattered family members to the new
site so all the family is together.  The most number
of people I counted buried in one spot was 29, but
that site was wider than the majority of sites.
Wealthy families have tall mausoleums where the family
is placed in the walls in vaults.  The insides of
these contain altars, chairs, statues, paintings,
candelabras, and photos of the family - very elegant
and ornate, like a small private chapel.

The whole cemetery is quite peaceful and emotionally
moving.  Most of the graves in the cemetery are
beautifully but simply decorated with flowers and
candles.  They are all kept up very nice and clean.  I
saw several families there decorating plots, or
washing and sweeping them.  There is no "old" section
per se, because families are buried together, but the
section in the north part was the first part of the
cemetery built.  This was the area I photographed, but
because of the large numbers of people buried in each
plot, it took a great deal of time, and I only managed
to photograph four sections.  I have 696 photos, and
many of these have multiple people on them.  It will
take a while to transcribe all of the information on
these pictures, and the dates range from the early
1900s to 2006.  Paul Caito and Sheryl Hartnet also did
some photographing, and we will be consolidating all
the pictures into one database.

Thanks for your patience with this project.  I would
be happy to accept large monetary donations from
anyone who wants me to return and continue this.
Really, I will.  No, I'm serious.  I will take
anybody's money.  I'm not proud.  I want to go back!
It may take several trips, so please contribute
generously and often!  I will even send you a postcard
while I'm there.

Still dreaming in Italian,
Terry


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From corielind at msn.com  Thu Oct 12 17:17:54 2006
From: corielind at msn.com (Corie Lindemann)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:17:54 -0500
Subject: [TI] post office story
In-Reply-To: <452D787C.8000400@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F246A6440C9EEEB738FBEEFB8150@phx.gbl>

A funny post office story...
I bought some postcards at a tobacco shop (not the one Paul cleaned out up 
in Alta), and asked for enough "francobollo" to mail them. The clerk gave me 
60 cents worth for each card. After I heard Paul say they were 85 cents for 
international postage, I went to the post office station at the Palermo 
airport for more. I showed the clerk the postcards with 60 and said I needed 
25 cents more. She pointed across the way and I thought she meant I had to 
get in the LONG line, but then she shouted and called me back and pointed to 
the mailbox. Confused, I asked again about additional postage. She waved her 
hands furiously and said "no difference, no difference", meaning that it 
really didn't matter how much postage I put on those babies. I expect 
they'll show up by Christmas...if I'm lucky!

Corie





>From: Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
>Reply-To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>Subject: Re: [TI] taxis
>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:04:28 -0500
>
>This sounds similar to the experience that Paul Caito and I had at the
>post office.  Paul wanted to buy stamps and I needed a few also.  He
>took a number............there were four windows open and the people
>were just standing around waiting for their numbers to be called.  There
>were 7 or 8 numbers in front of Paul's so after about 30 minutes of not
>getting any closer to the window, we left.  Then Jim and Elaine told us
>to buy them in the tobacco shop instead which we did in Cefalu'.  So
>much simpler.
>
>By the way.........I mailed 1 postcard on Monday to my office.  It got
>there on Thursday - not too bad.  On Tuesday morning I mailed 3 more and
>they arrived on Saturday here in Staunton.
>
>Joan Petrulis wrote:
>
> >The problem I had was that taxis were not recognizable once you were
> >deposited somewhere and needed a ride back. However, who needs a taxi 
>when
> >you have famiglia? We were searching for a Banco di Sicilia and our 
>cugini
> >(?) happened to be driving down the street. They jumped out of the car 
>and
> >left it running right in traffic as they proceeded to direct us. After 
>much
> >arm waving and shouting Pietro got back in and drove off while Teresa 
>helped
> >us with our banking task.When we found the bank we pulled #149 and the
> >teller was on #20. A futile errand, we decided we didn't need to spend 
>any
> >money after all.
> >
> >Joan P.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
> >To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:03 PM
> >Subject: [TI] taxis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>We used a taxi the first morning when we overslept and had to get to the
> >>Duomo for the tour (that was postponed) right away. The desk clerk 
>looked
> >>at
> >>me like I was nuts when I said I needed a taxi right now. Not on 
>Sicilian
> >>time! One did come in about 5 minutes, so I was impressed based on what 
>I
> >>had heard. The hotel apparently had 2 "reliable" taxi drivers that they
> >>recommend and call when needed.
> >>
> >>Corie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: Ken Geraci <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
> >>>Reply-To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >>>To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >>>Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS - Frank
> >>>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:53:03 -0700 (PDT)
> >>>
> >>>Frank,
> >>>
> >>>Your email brings back memories about the steps and
> >>>the "cardio-vascular" workout they inevitably give
> >>>you.
> >>>
> >>>I was in Termini during the last week of July, 1999
> >>>through the first week in August and I was only 36
> >>>years old back then but I remembered having to stop
> >>>very frequently just to catch my breath. Of course
> >>>during that time of the year Termini was a sweltering
> >>>sauna.
> >>>
> >>>I was staying at Il Gabbiano hotel which was at least
> >>>1/2 mile from the train station. I had to walk along
> >>>the bay to get to the train station area and THEN walk
> >>>up via Roma with the 99 steps. I would start out fresh
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>from my hotel but by the time I got to the Duomo I
> >>
> >>
> >>>would need to go back to the hotel for another shower!
> >>>I could rarely find a taxi then until the last day
> >>>when the taxi driver gave me his cell phone number
> >>>(which I've lost).
> >>>
> >>>How was the taxi availability this time? Did anyone in
> >>>the group use the taxis?
> >>>
> >>>Ken
> >>>
> >>>--- "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Terry's additional description of alternatives to
> >>>>the 99 steps meant for me
> >>>>that ANY way up/down was UPPPPP and DOWNNNN!!  Even
> >>>>within Alta or Bassa,
> >>>>there seem to be UPPS and DOWWNNS!  No escape!  BUT,
> >>>>suffering from the bad
> >>>>knees and arthritis that Ken mentions, I actually
> >>>>found that I came back in
> >>>>better shape, knees/arthritis-wise, than when I
> >>>>left.  As Terry pointed out,
> >>>>the real stress seemed to be cardiac/respiratory.
> >>>>These steps were the
> >>>>ultimate workout!  Another common experience: while
> >>>>we americani struggled,
> >>>>we were usually passed up by quite unstressed little
> >>>>old men and women.  Why
> >>>>not?  They've grown up doing this!
> >>>>
> >>>>Frank Palmisano
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: Ken Geraci [mailto:ken_geraci at yahoo.com]
> >>>>Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:48 PM
> >>>>To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >>>>Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>There are other ways around besides the 99 steps but
> >>>>Termini does have LOTS of uphill and down hill
> >>>>sections. Everyone should keep this in mind. Bad
> >>>>knees
> >>>>and arthritis seem to be prevalent with Termitani so
> >>>>don't wait too late in life to go.
> >>>>
> >>>>Ken
> >>>>
> >>>>--- LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>A.J.,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Stick around.  In five years I'll need you to help
> >>>>>me up those 99  steps!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Diane
> >>>>>
> >>>>>In a message dated 10/7/2006 4:42:14 P.M. Central
> >>>>>Daylight Time,
> >>>>>aj4eyes at sympatico.ca writes:
> >>>>>Laura I am sure enjoying all the stories of the
> >>>>>trips to TI, I would have
> >>>>>liked to go, but in 5 years for the next trip I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>will
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> be about 90 and that is a
> >>>>>question mark, waitng for cousin Madeleine to get
> >>>>>home  on the 15th to hear
> >>>>>what she found out, enjoy your memories. A.J.
> >>>>>Quattrocchi a  100% Termitani.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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From NCOLBY at allstate.com  Thu Oct 12 17:49:34 2006
From: NCOLBY at allstate.com (Colby, Nancy)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:49:34 -0500
Subject: [TI] post office story
Message-ID: <0BF482116FEFCA4392898C6C19B67E150B0A71BC@a0001-xpo0117-s.hodc.ad.allstate.com>

I can't believe you found postcards in Termini, I thought I looked in
every shop in Termini, no postcards to be found anywhere.  Actually, I
couldn't find any kind of a souvenir with the name Termini on it.

Nancy 

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Corie
Lindemann
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:18 AM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: [TI] post office story

A funny post office story...
I bought some postcards at a tobacco shop (not the one Paul cleaned out
up in Alta), and asked for enough "francobollo" to mail them. The clerk
gave me 60 cents worth for each card. After I heard Paul say they were
85 cents for international postage, I went to the post office station at
the Palermo airport for more. I showed the clerk the postcards with 60
and said I needed
25 cents more. She pointed across the way and I thought she meant I had
to get in the LONG line, but then she shouted and called me back and
pointed to the mailbox. Confused, I asked again about additional
postage. She waved her hands furiously and said "no difference, no
difference", meaning that it really didn't matter how much postage I put
on those babies. I expect they'll show up by Christmas...if I'm lucky!

Corie





>From: Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
>Reply-To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>Subject: Re: [TI] taxis
>Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:04:28 -0500
>
>This sounds similar to the experience that Paul Caito and I had at the 
>post office.  Paul wanted to buy stamps and I needed a few also.  He 
>took a number............there were four windows open and the people 
>were just standing around waiting for their numbers to be called.  
>There were 7 or 8 numbers in front of Paul's so after about 30 minutes 
>of not getting any closer to the window, we left.  Then Jim and Elaine 
>told us to buy them in the tobacco shop instead which we did in 
>Cefalu'.  So much simpler.
>
>By the way.........I mailed 1 postcard on Monday to my office.  It got 
>there on Thursday - not too bad.  On Tuesday morning I mailed 3 more 
>and they arrived on Saturday here in Staunton.
>
>Joan Petrulis wrote:
>
> >The problem I had was that taxis were not recognizable once you were 
> >deposited somewhere and needed a ride back. However, who needs a taxi
>when
> >you have famiglia? We were searching for a Banco di Sicilia and our
>cugini
> >(?) happened to be driving down the street. They jumped out of the 
> >car
>and
> >left it running right in traffic as they proceeded to direct us. 
> >After
>much
> >arm waving and shouting Pietro got back in and drove off while Teresa
>helped
> >us with our banking task.When we found the bank we pulled #149 and 
> >the teller was on #20. A futile errand, we decided we didn't need to 
> >spend
>any
> >money after all.
> >
> >Joan P.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
> >To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:03 PM
> >Subject: [TI] taxis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>We used a taxi the first morning when we overslept and had to get to

> >>the Duomo for the tour (that was postponed) right away. The desk 
> >>clerk
>looked
> >>at
> >>me like I was nuts when I said I needed a taxi right now. Not on
>Sicilian
> >>time! One did come in about 5 minutes, so I was impressed based on 
> >>what
>I
> >>had heard. The hotel apparently had 2 "reliable" taxi drivers that 
> >>they recommend and call when needed.
> >>
> >>Corie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: Ken Geraci <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
> >>>Reply-To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >>>To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >>>Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS - Frank
> >>>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:53:03 -0700 (PDT)
> >>>
> >>>Frank,
> >>>
> >>>Your email brings back memories about the steps and the 
> >>>"cardio-vascular" workout they inevitably give you.
> >>>
> >>>I was in Termini during the last week of July, 1999 through the 
> >>>first week in August and I was only 36 years old back then but I 
> >>>remembered having to stop very frequently just to catch my breath. 
> >>>Of course during that time of the year Termini was a sweltering 
> >>>sauna.
> >>>
> >>>I was staying at Il Gabbiano hotel which was at least
> >>>1/2 mile from the train station. I had to walk along the bay to get

> >>>to the train station area and THEN walk up via Roma with the 99 
> >>>steps. I would start out fresh
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>from my hotel but by the time I got to the Duomo I
> >>
> >>
> >>>would need to go back to the hotel for another shower!
> >>>I could rarely find a taxi then until the last day when the taxi 
> >>>driver gave me his cell phone number (which I've lost).
> >>>
> >>>How was the taxi availability this time? Did anyone in the group 
> >>>use the taxis?
> >>>
> >>>Ken
> >>>
> >>>--- "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Terry's additional description of alternatives to the 99 steps 
> >>>>meant for me that ANY way up/down was UPPPPP and DOWNNNN!!  Even 
> >>>>within Alta or Bassa, there seem to be UPPS and DOWWNNS!  No 
> >>>>escape!  BUT, suffering from the bad knees and arthritis that Ken 
> >>>>mentions, I actually found that I came back in better shape, 
> >>>>knees/arthritis-wise, than when I left.  As Terry pointed out, the

> >>>>real stress seemed to be cardiac/respiratory.
> >>>>These steps were the
> >>>>ultimate workout!  Another common experience: while we americani 
> >>>>struggled, we were usually passed up by quite unstressed little 
> >>>>old men and women.  Why not?  They've grown up doing this!
> >>>>
> >>>>Frank Palmisano
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: Ken Geraci [mailto:ken_geraci at yahoo.com]
> >>>>Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:48 PM
> >>>>To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >>>>Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>There are other ways around besides the 99 steps but Termini does 
> >>>>have LOTS of uphill and down hill sections. Everyone should keep 
> >>>>this in mind. Bad knees and arthritis seem to be prevalent with 
> >>>>Termitani so don't wait too late in life to go.
> >>>>
> >>>>Ken
> >>>>
> >>>>--- LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>A.J.,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Stick around.  In five years I'll need you to help me up those 99

> >>>>>steps!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Diane
> >>>>>
> >>>>>In a message dated 10/7/2006 4:42:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> >>>>>aj4eyes at sympatico.ca writes:
> >>>>>Laura I am sure enjoying all the stories of the trips to TI, I 
> >>>>>would have liked to go, but in 5 years for the next trip I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>will
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> be about 90 and that is a
> >>>>>question mark, waitng for cousin Madeleine to get home  on the 
> >>>>>15th to hear what she found out, enjoy your memories. A.J.
> >>>>>Quattrocchi a  100% Termitani.
> >>>>>
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From judy.agostino at 295.ca  Thu Oct 12 18:52:46 2006
From: judy.agostino at 295.ca (judy.agostino at 295.ca)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:52:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TI] Our trip to Termini Imerese
In-Reply-To: <000001c6e980$72731c30$6501a8c0@Office>
References: <000001c6e980$72731c30$6501a8c0@Office>
Message-ID: <1103.208.65.247.60.1160668366.squirrel@mail.295.ca>

>
  Hi:
    I have enjoyed reading about the 99 steps and other adventures, but
did anyone visit the Museum in Termini.  We visited it a few years
ago, and found it very interesting.
    Agostino Galioto.

 What a great trip.  We flew Eurofly from JFK directly into Palermo and
> would
> highly recommend it.  Individual screens on the back of all seats with
> movies and the trip schedule.
>
> TI was wonderful including the natural Stairmaster (the 99 steps).  The
> gelato was wonderful.  The cherry amaretto was super.  The pizza was also
> very good.  The cheese nazi (the head waiter in white jacket) was very
> funny.  He wouldn't allow anyone to have cheese on the pasta with fish.
> The
> chef absolutely forbade it, he said.  The hotel was very nice and the
> respite at Trabia was excellent.  What a view.
>
> In TI, I had a picture and address of my g-uncle Salvatore's house on
> Stesicoro.  Madeleine helped us one day but we couldn't find it.  We
> persisted on another day and found it in Basso, matching the picture to
> the
> present day house.  The bottom of the house was a borzellerio (sp) a
> leather
> shop that made purses.  There was an old couple in there and Gary prodded
> me
> to talk to them.  At first I resisted (not knowing proficient Italian) but
> finally I talked to them, explaining my zio Salvatore Sansone lived there
> previously, showed them the picture and the lady recognized Signore
> Sansone
> and his wife Rosina.  Turns out they lived next door when they were very
> young (they are probably now mid 80's).  She showed the picture to her
> husband but he had problems with his vision and it didn't register with
> him
> but he did remember them.  I also found my grandfather's house on Palazzo
> Cirullo. A few of the houses there were abandoned.
>
> My initial impression of TI?  I absolutely loved it and will definitely go
> back, next time also going to Terrasini where my paternal g-grandparents
> lived.  That is about 20 miles west of Palermo so the train will be no
> problem.  Speaking of Trenitalia, the trains are super.  What a great way
> to
> traverse the island.
>
> And last but not least, what a great bunch of people on the trip.  It is
> so
> nice to now have a face to match the lister, and we will definitely be at
> the reunion in Rochester, NY next year.
>
> Madeleine Gill was such a wonderful help to us and her cousins, John and
> Mary Badali, are such lovely people. We also met Madeline's cousin Claudio
> who was in the process of selling his ancestral home in TI because he
> lives
> in England.  What a great experience it was for us.
>
> Elizabeth Budry
> ERBudry at sc.rr.com
>
>
>
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From amborocco at usa.net  Thu Oct 12 18:03:30 2006
From: amborocco at usa.net (JAL)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:03:30 +0200
Subject: [TI] cemetery
Message-ID: <524kJLPcE7584S18.1160665410@uwdvg018.cms.usa.net>

I'm told in ROME, the next-of-kin are called to pick up the bones after ten
years.  Not good for genealogists.

Janet Larocco

------ Original Message ------
Received: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:25:05 PM CEST
From: "Fr. Anthony Delisi" <franthony at trappist.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Subject: Re: [TI] cemetery

Dear Cousins,

In the Termini cemetery it is the custom every few years to empty the older
caskets into a common casket in; the bottom of the compartment.

PAX. fr. Anthony Delisi

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Corie
Lindemann
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:00 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] cemetery

Terry,
Thanks for the details on the graves. I wondered how deep they were and how 
many they fit in there when we were watching the burials.  We saw several 
headstones with quite a few names and could not figure the space logistics, 
especially after watching a couple of burials! The graves didn't seem that 
deep. I just feel sorry for those poor people whose family didn't pay rent 
(including mine). The center of those sections are so bleak and barren.
Toto was trying to tell me something about my great great grandfathers grave

and I wish I had an interpreter along for that part. We were interrupted by 
some official cemetery business. I think he was just telling me that there 
wasn't a stone for him, but I'll have to find out more next time! (and learn

more Italian!)
I'm buying lottery tickets for the return trip!!  I'm thinking timeshare! 
Some place with a good supply of butter and cheese and free water (no gas!)!

Corie

PS... I, too, had several dreams in Italian on the plane and after my 
return. I couldn't understand too much, but I just kept saying "mi dispiace"

and "grazie" a lot.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry Skibiski" <tskibiski at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:51 AM
Subject: [TI] cemetery


Greetings, all!  I just thought I'd scribble a few
lines to let you know how the Termini cemetery project
went, and share a little information I learned while
there.   I talked to To To Loparella, the cemetery
director, via an interpreter and was given some
interesting information.  We had been told some of
this before, but he helped fill in some of the gaps.
The plots in the cemetery are not like the nice grassy
plots here with one or two people buried in each
space.  There are 20 sections in the main part of the
cemetery, and the graves are situated around the
perimeter of each section.  Sections are separated by
narrow paved streets.  Graves consist of a concrete or
marble slab over a grave 16 feet deep, which is also
lined with concrete.  Caskets are lowered into the
vertical crypt, and piled one on top of each other.
In this way entire families can be buried together.
Headstones for the most part consist of marble,
limestone, or concrete vertical slabs inlaid with oval
ceramic photos of the deceased, with the birth and
death dates recorded underneath or next to the photo.
Some also have small plaques sitting on marble easels
on top of the slab.  Grave sites are rented to the
families for 20 years, and if the rent is not renewed,
then the bodies are exhumed and re-interred in the
central area of the section, sometimes with a small
steel cross or rock to mark the spot, but more often
than not, no marker at all.  The concrete sites are
then rented to another family.   Old headstones are
returned to the family.  Of course, if the family does
renew the rent, then the bodies remain for a longer
time.  Occasionally families will acquire a larger
site and move the scattered family members to the new
site so all the family is together.  The most number
of people I counted buried in one spot was 29, but
that site was wider than the majority of sites.
Wealthy families have tall mausoleums where the family
is placed in the walls in vaults.  The insides of
these contain altars, chairs, statues, paintings,
candelabras, and photos of the family - very elegant
and ornate, like a small private chapel.

The whole cemetery is quite peaceful and emotionally
moving.  Most of the graves in the cemetery are
beautifully but simply decorated with flowers and
candles.  They are all kept up very nice and clean.  I
saw several families there decorating plots, or
washing and sweeping them.  There is no "old" section
per se, because families are buried together, but the
section in the north part was the first part of the
cemetery built.  This was the area I photographed, but
because of the large numbers of people buried in each
plot, it took a great deal of time, and I only managed
to photograph four sections.  I have 696 photos, and
many of these have multiple people on them.  It will
take a while to transcribe all of the information on
these pictures, and the dates range from the early
1900s to 2006.  Paul Caito and Sheryl Hartnet also did
some photographing, and we will be consolidating all
the pictures into one database.

Thanks for your patience with this project.  I would
be happy to accept large monetary donations from
anyone who wants me to return and continue this.
Really, I will.  No, I'm serious.  I will take
anybody's money.  I'm not proud.  I want to go back!
It may take several trips, so please contribute
generously and often!  I will even send you a postcard
while I'm there.

Still dreaming in Italian,
Terry


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From acm605 at comcast.net  Thu Oct 12 20:23:13 2006
From: acm605 at comcast.net (Tony Massaro)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:23:13 +0000
Subject: [TI] Our trip to Termini Imerese
Message-ID: <101220061723.4155.452E7A010007BF7D0000103B2213575333CACFC0030C0E@comcast.net>

We flew Alitalia from Chicago to Milan because we worked our way down to Termini. I was very dissappointed. the seats were uncomfortable though it was a 767 and the main movie screen did not work both on the way to and from italy. And as i found several times, service didn't come with a smile.

--
Tony Massaro
acm605 at comcast.net

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: judy.agostino at 295.ca
> >
>   Hi:
>     I have enjoyed reading about the 99 steps and other adventures, but
> did anyone visit the Museum in Termini.  We visited it a few years
> ago, and found it very interesting.
>     Agostino Galioto.
> 
>  What a great trip.  We flew Eurofly from JFK directly into Palermo and
> > would
> > highly recommend it.  Individual screens on the back of all seats with
> > movies and the trip schedule.
> >
> > TI was wonderful including the natural Stairmaster (the 99 steps).  The
> > gelato was wonderful.  The cherry amaretto was super.  The pizza was also
> > very good.  The cheese nazi (the head waiter in white jacket) was very
> > funny.  He wouldn't allow anyone to have cheese on the pasta with fish.
> > The
> > chef absolutely forbade it, he said.  The hotel was very nice and the
> > respite at Trabia was excellent.  What a view.
> >
> > In TI, I had a picture and address of my g-uncle Salvatore's house on
> > Stesicoro.  Madeleine helped us one day but we couldn't find it.  We
> > persisted on another day and found it in Basso, matching the picture to
> > the
> > present day house.  The bottom of the house was a borzellerio (sp) a
> > leather
> > shop that made purses.  There was an old couple in there and Gary prodded
> > me
> > to talk to them.  At first I resisted (not knowing proficient Italian) but
> > finally I talked to them, explaining my zio Salvatore Sansone lived there
> > previously, showed them the picture and the lady recognized Signore
> > Sansone
> > and his wife Rosina.  Turns out they lived next door when they were very
> > young (they are probably now mid 80's).  She showed the picture to her
> > husband but he had problems with his vision and it didn't register with
> > him
> > but he did remember them.  I also found my grandfather's house on Palazzo
> > Cirullo. A few of the houses there were abandoned.
> >
> > My initial impression of TI?  I absolutely loved it and will definitely go
> > back, next time also going to Terrasini where my paternal g-grandparents
> > lived.  That is about 20 miles west of Palermo so the train will be no
> > problem.  Speaking of Trenitalia, the trains are super.  What a great way
> > to
> > traverse the island.
> >
> > And last but not least, what a great bunch of people on the trip.  It is
> > so
> > nice to now have a face to match the lister, and we will definitely be at
> > the reunion in Rochester, NY next year.
> >
> > Madeleine Gill was such a wonderful help to us and her cousins, John and
> > Mary Badali, are such lovely people. We also met Madeline's cousin Claudio
> > who was in the process of selling his ancestral home in TI because he
> > lives
> > in England.  What a great experience it was for us.
> >
> > Elizabeth Budry
> > ERBudry at sc.rr.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From amborocco at usa.net  Thu Oct 12 20:38:21 2006
From: amborocco at usa.net (JAL)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:38:21 +0200
Subject: [TI] Alitalia
Message-ID: <707kJLRlV8966S11.1160674701@cmsweb11.cms.usa.net>

Sorry for your troubles.  Alitalia is a troubled, troubled airline.  It does
not seem to occur to the staff that fewer and fewer people will want to travel
on their airline as service continues to worsen.

Jim just returned to Rome, on Alitalia, via Milan. He was in business class,
and there were no pillows, and no blankets for a 13-hour flight! Their plane
also had the audio/ video troubles. [What's with that?] Apparently someone
found the right switch to flip about 4 hours into the flight, and they had
some audio/video after that. There was a whole list of deficiencies, but
suffice it to say, it is my LAST choice for travel.

Looks like Eurofly was the way to get to Palermo!
Janet Larocco





From corielind at msn.com  Thu Oct 12 21:13:44 2006
From: corielind at msn.com (Corie Lindemann)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:13:44 -0500
Subject: [TI] post office story
In-Reply-To: <0BF482116FEFCA4392898C6C19B67E150B0A71BC@a0001-xpo0117-s.hodc.ad.allstate.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F5054174F4C188E8E994ECB8150@phx.gbl>

I found them the first day at the tobacco shop across from Dolce Vienna on 
Via Mazzini in alta. Paul went there later and just about cleaned them out. 
I then found a few more at a little shop in bassa off of Via Bagni. I should 
scan those in and send to Laura so we can post them. Pretty nice views... 
although I personally think our collective photos were better!!

Corie



>From: "Colby, Nancy" <NCOLBY at allstate.com>
>Reply-To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>Subject: Re: [TI] post office story
>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:49:34 -0500
>
>I can't believe you found postcards in Termini, I thought I looked in
>every shop in Termini, no postcards to be found anywhere.  Actually, I
>couldn't find any kind of a souvenir with the name Termini on it.
>
>Nancy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
>[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Corie
>Lindemann
>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:18 AM
>To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>Subject: [TI] post office story
>
>A funny post office story...
>I bought some postcards at a tobacco shop (not the one Paul cleaned out
>up in Alta), and asked for enough "francobollo" to mail them. The clerk
>gave me 60 cents worth for each card. After I heard Paul say they were
>85 cents for international postage, I went to the post office station at
>the Palermo airport for more. I showed the clerk the postcards with 60
>and said I needed
>25 cents more. She pointed across the way and I thought she meant I had
>to get in the LONG line, but then she shouted and called me back and
>pointed to the mailbox. Confused, I asked again about additional
>postage. She waved her hands furiously and said "no difference, no
>difference", meaning that it really didn't matter how much postage I put
>on those babies. I expect they'll show up by Christmas...if I'm lucky!
>
>Corie
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
> >Reply-To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >Subject: Re: [TI] taxis
> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:04:28 -0500
> >
> >This sounds similar to the experience that Paul Caito and I had at the
> >post office.  Paul wanted to buy stamps and I needed a few also.  He
> >took a number............there were four windows open and the people
> >were just standing around waiting for their numbers to be called.
> >There were 7 or 8 numbers in front of Paul's so after about 30 minutes
> >of not getting any closer to the window, we left.  Then Jim and Elaine
> >told us to buy them in the tobacco shop instead which we did in
> >Cefalu'.  So much simpler.
> >
> >By the way.........I mailed 1 postcard on Monday to my office.  It got
> >there on Thursday - not too bad.  On Tuesday morning I mailed 3 more
> >and they arrived on Saturday here in Staunton.
> >
> >Joan Petrulis wrote:
> >
> > >The problem I had was that taxis were not recognizable once you were
> > >deposited somewhere and needed a ride back. However, who needs a taxi
> >when
> > >you have famiglia? We were searching for a Banco di Sicilia and our
> >cugini
> > >(?) happened to be driving down the street. They jumped out of the
> > >car
> >and
> > >left it running right in traffic as they proceeded to direct us.
> > >After
> >much
> > >arm waving and shouting Pietro got back in and drove off while Teresa
> >helped
> > >us with our banking task.When we found the bank we pulled #149 and
> > >the teller was on #20. A futile errand, we decided we didn't need to
> > >spend
> >any
> > >money after all.
> > >
> > >Joan P.
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
> > >To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:03 PM
> > >Subject: [TI] taxis
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>We used a taxi the first morning when we overslept and had to get to
>
> > >>the Duomo for the tour (that was postponed) right away. The desk
> > >>clerk
> >looked
> > >>at
> > >>me like I was nuts when I said I needed a taxi right now. Not on
> >Sicilian
> > >>time! One did come in about 5 minutes, so I was impressed based on
> > >>what
> >I
> > >>had heard. The hotel apparently had 2 "reliable" taxi drivers that
> > >>they recommend and call when needed.
> > >>
> > >>Corie
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>From: Ken Geraci <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
> > >>>Reply-To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > >>>To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > >>>Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS - Frank
> > >>>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:53:03 -0700 (PDT)
> > >>>
> > >>>Frank,
> > >>>
> > >>>Your email brings back memories about the steps and the
> > >>>"cardio-vascular" workout they inevitably give you.
> > >>>
> > >>>I was in Termini during the last week of July, 1999 through the
> > >>>first week in August and I was only 36 years old back then but I
> > >>>remembered having to stop very frequently just to catch my breath.
> > >>>Of course during that time of the year Termini was a sweltering
> > >>>sauna.
> > >>>
> > >>>I was staying at Il Gabbiano hotel which was at least
> > >>>1/2 mile from the train station. I had to walk along the bay to get
>
> > >>>to the train station area and THEN walk up via Roma with the 99
> > >>>steps. I would start out fresh
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>from my hotel but by the time I got to the Duomo I
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>would need to go back to the hotel for another shower!
> > >>>I could rarely find a taxi then until the last day when the taxi
> > >>>driver gave me his cell phone number (which I've lost).
> > >>>
> > >>>How was the taxi availability this time? Did anyone in the group
> > >>>use the taxis?
> > >>>
> > >>>Ken
> > >>>
> > >>>--- "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Terry's additional description of alternatives to the 99 steps
> > >>>>meant for me that ANY way up/down was UPPPPP and DOWNNNN!!  Even
> > >>>>within Alta or Bassa, there seem to be UPPS and DOWWNNS!  No
> > >>>>escape!  BUT, suffering from the bad knees and arthritis that Ken
> > >>>>mentions, I actually found that I came back in better shape,
> > >>>>knees/arthritis-wise, than when I left.  As Terry pointed out, the
>
> > >>>>real stress seemed to be cardiac/respiratory.
> > >>>>These steps were the
> > >>>>ultimate workout!  Another common experience: while we americani
> > >>>>struggled, we were usually passed up by quite unstressed little
> > >>>>old men and women.  Why not?  They've grown up doing this!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Frank Palmisano
> > >>>>
> > >>>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>>From: Ken Geraci [mailto:ken_geraci at yahoo.com]
> > >>>>Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:48 PM
> > >>>>To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > >>>>Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>There are other ways around besides the 99 steps but Termini does
> > >>>>have LOTS of uphill and down hill sections. Everyone should keep
> > >>>>this in mind. Bad knees and arthritis seem to be prevalent with
> > >>>>Termitani so don't wait too late in life to go.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Ken
> > >>>>
> > >>>>--- LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>A.J.,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Stick around.  In five years I'll need you to help me up those 99
>
> > >>>>>steps!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Diane
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>In a message dated 10/7/2006 4:42:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > >>>>>aj4eyes at sympatico.ca writes:
> > >>>>>Laura I am sure enjoying all the stories of the trips to TI, I
> > >>>>>would have liked to go, but in 5 years for the next trip I
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>will
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> be about 90 and that is a
> > >>>>>question mark, waitng for cousin Madeleine to get home  on the
> > >>>>>15th to hear what she found out, enjoy your memories. A.J.
> > >>>>>Quattrocchi a  100% Termitani.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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From gentracer at gentracer.com  Thu Oct 12 19:58:05 2006
From: gentracer at gentracer.com (Kathy Kirkpatrick)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:58:05 -0600
Subject: [TI] Ancestors Address in Termini
References: <409.6b73f105.325f0f8c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301c6ee2f$a8172300$6900a8c0@hsd1.ut.comcast.net>

That's asking a lot with so many folks in town with the same names and who
knows how many years in between. Best for you to do the research, locating
the siblings of your immigrant and tracking their descendants until you run
out of records (currently 1910 in Termini), then sending letters to the
folks in town with those family names and your pedigree chart to show the
connections.

Kathy Kirkpatrick
GenTracer
PO Box 11955
Salt Lake City, UT 84147
801 755 6991
www.gentracer.com
gentracer at gentracer.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Ancestors Address in Termini


> Laura,
>
> If one made an inquiry to the vital records bureau in Termini either by
> phone or by snail mail, would there be people there who know of relatives
if you
> give them the name of your ancestor?  Just a thought.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Diane
>
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From gentracer at gentracer.com  Thu Oct 12 20:26:43 2006
From: gentracer at gentracer.com (Kathy Kirkpatrick)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:26:43 -0600
Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
References: <004b01c6ed82$27abf4f0$6501a8c0@Office>
Message-ID: <000801c6ee2f$a94ce3e0$6900a8c0@hsd1.ut.comcast.net>

Elizabeth,

The train station is quite a ways out of Terrasini, so I took the bus from
Palermo instead (before I got brave enough to drive there). You'll end up in
the center of town (Terrasini) on the bus. Lovely views!

Kathy Kirkpatrick
GenTracer
PO Box 11955
Salt Lake City, UT 84147
801 755 6991
www.gentracer.com
gentracer at gentracer.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Budry" <erbudry at sc.rr.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book


> Kim:
>
> Many thanks.  Didn't have time to take the train to Terrasini this time
but
> will the next time (and there will be a next time).
>
> Elizabeth Budry
> 7 Oak Bluff Ct.
> Columbia, SC  29223
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Kim
Sansone
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:42 PM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
>
> Send me your snail mail address and I will mail it out
> tomorrow.
>
> Kim
>
> --- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Kim:
> >
> > What a clever person you are!!  If there is a
> > commune listing of Terrasini
> > which is in the PA province, could you please
> > copy/scan them and either
> > e-mail them to me or snail mail?  My paternal
> > grandfather's line is from
> > Terrasini (Tocco, Aiello, Frontieri).  Many thanks.
> >
> > Elizabeth Budry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> > [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
> > On Behalf Of Kim Sansone
> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:32 AM
> > To: Termini Website
> > Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
> >
> > While in Termini Imerese I was able to obtain a
> > 2004-
> > 2005 Palermo province phone book, from a very nice
> > store owner.  I have made copies of the Termini
> > Imerese pages, which I will mail to Laura and she is
> > going to put on the website for easy access to the
> > group.
> >
> > If anyone needs any information for cities other
> > than
> > Termini that are located in the Palermo province,
> > please let me know and I will be happy to look the
> > information up for you.
> >
> > Kim Sansone
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TerminiImerese mailing list
> > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >
>
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> >
> >
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> >
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From erinsmom at gmail.com  Thu Oct 12 21:59:34 2006
From: erinsmom at gmail.com (erinsmom)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:59:34 -0500
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
Message-ID: <135790bb0610121159t2d55df03r290254006da16b78@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I have found the surname Ardizzone-Caito in my family tree. Does
anyone know the history of this hyphenated name?
Franciene McDonald
-- 
Meet my amazing Italian American family: go to http://www.iannarino.us.



From mygirl at ctc.net  Thu Oct 12 22:08:39 2006
From: mygirl at ctc.net (Rosalie)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:08:39 -0400
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
References: <135790bb0610121159t2d55df03r290254006da16b78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01d901c6ee31$d4287ff0$6400a8c0@Rosalie>

Very nice site you have.  Love the way it is set up.  Nice work.
Rosalie Amison
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:59 PM
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito


> Hi all,
> I have found the surname Ardizzone-Caito in my family tree. Does
> anyone know the history of this hyphenated name?
> Franciene McDonald
> -- 
> Meet my amazing Italian American family: go to http://www.iannarino.us.





From erinsmom at gmail.com  Thu Oct 12 22:13:37 2006
From: erinsmom at gmail.com (erinsmom)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:13:37 -0500
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
In-Reply-To: <01d901c6ee31$d4287ff0$6400a8c0@Rosalie>
References: <135790bb0610121159t2d55df03r290254006da16b78@mail.gmail.com>
	<01d901c6ee31$d4287ff0$6400a8c0@Rosalie>
Message-ID: <135790bb0610121213l561a40fft69f2961e0ee47aa3@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Rosalie. I appreciate you visiting the site and making
comments. I am always updating the site. If I spent as much time on
keeping my house up as I do the website, this would be a palace. LOL
Franciene

On 10/12/06, Rosalie <mygirl at ctc.net> wrote:
> Very nice site you have.  Love the way it is set up.  Nice work.
> Rosalie Amison
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
> To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:59 PM
> Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
>
>
> > Hi all,
> > I have found the surname Ardizzone-Caito in my family tree. Does
> > anyone know the history of this hyphenated name?
> > Franciene McDonald
> > --
> > Meet my amazing Italian American family: go to http://www.iannarino.us.
>
>
>
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>


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From mygirl at ctc.net  Thu Oct 12 22:19:07 2006
From: mygirl at ctc.net (Rosalie)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:19:07 -0400
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
References: <135790bb0610121159t2d55df03r290254006da16b78@mail.gmail.com><01d901c6ee31$d4287ff0$6400a8c0@Rosalie>
	<135790bb0610121213l561a40fft69f2961e0ee47aa3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01ec01c6ee33$49f42e40$6400a8c0@Rosalie>

Palace is for royalty.  I don't fall into that class at all.  lol  Hate 
house work.
Rosalie Amison
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito


> Thank you Rosalie. I appreciate you visiting the site and making
> comments. I am always updating the site. If I spent as much time on
> keeping my house up as I do the website, this would be a palace. LOL
> Franciene





From erbudry at sc.rr.com  Fri Oct 13 00:40:13 2006
From: erbudry at sc.rr.com (Elizabeth Budry)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:40:13 -0400
Subject: [TI] Elizabeth /trains/ Ken's 2006 Termini adventure
In-Reply-To: <20061012020017.39682.qmail@web60324.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c6ee47$025c4d10$6501a8c0@Office>

Ken:

Madeleine was like the energizer bunny, just kept going and going, but she
told my husband that she had really slowed down (yeh, right).  She said at
78 she was entitled to slow down.  If that's her vision of slowing down, she
just have been something at top speed.  LOL

Elizabeth Budry

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Ken Geraci
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:00 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] Elizabeth /trains/ Ken's 2006 Termini adventure

Elizabeth,

Thanks for the response. Your mention of the Termini
trains brings back memories. I was always kind of
nervous that I was going to mess up with the tickets
(in getting them stamped). And sure enough one time I
got on the train and I had forgotten to get the ticket
stamped and I was panicking as the train was ready to
depart but then I saw a conductor and told him and he
also personally took care of my ticket like yours did.

I am not surprised that Madeleine was one of the main
communicators either. In Salt Lake City we were
discussing Sicilian words that we heard as children
and I mentioned "meschino" (poor, wretched person) and
she was the only one out of a large group of us who
instantly knew its meaning.

Speaking of Madeleine, was she again always ten paces
ahead of everyone else in the group? In Salt Lake city
she had the energy and endurance of a high-school
track athlete!! Rose Campisi and I huffed and puffed
several paces behind her most of the time! LOL

I missed Madeleine a lot since I didn't get to go this
year. I actually tried to call the Grand Hotel while
you all were there and they kept telling me there was
"no Signora Madelena Gill" staying at the hotel. I
even tried asking for Madelana Badali (her maiden
name). Finally, the third or fourth day I called again
and the same thing happened. But then the desk
attendant said "OH!!! LA SIGNORA MADALENA JEEL" (he
was pronouncing the "G" like a "J" and I said "Si,
Si!!!"

But they told me she wasn't in her room (I tried to
call around 1:30 PM Central time (US) on October 3rd.
I then tried asking for "la Signora Lah-OOH-rah
Johnson" but she was also not "in camera" (in her
room) either. Oh well, I tried!

Wow... I guess that was my 2006 Termini adventure!

Ken


--- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:

> Ken:
> 
> For the most part, I understood a good part of what
> the locals said but the
> problem herein is that I don't speak but a few
> phrases and/or words.  My
> husband said he was surprised that we did as well as
> we did but he figured
> it was because I persisted in trying to make myself
> understood.
> 
> In Termini at the train station, the machine stamps
> date and time on the
> train tickets; in Palermo, the machine just makes a
> weird little partial
> hole in the ticket.  We did not know the 5 pm train
> from Palermo to Termini
> did not run on "festivi" days and guess what? 
> Sunday was a festivi day.
> The gentleman in the information booth at the
> Palermo station did not
> understand one lick of English but the woman had a
> better understanding.
> She told us to take the Milan overnight and it
> stopped in Termini.  The
> conductor told us to use the Primo Due cars (first
> or second) of about 25
> cars.  I asked where we could "stampa" the tickets. 
> No one understood me
> (no wonder) but when I motioned for stamping the
> ticket, they understood.
> Then I was worried about the weird little hole in
> the ticket.  The conductor
> told me he would scrivere the ticket when he
> collected them.
> 
> And God Bless Madeleine.  She helped us with the
> language barrier a whole
> lot.  She was a tremendous help.  The local people
> were lovely and
> demonstrated a willingness to help us Americani. 
> Their directions were
> superb (even if we didn't understand them).  Between
> their gestures,
> pointing, it was great.
> 
> Elizabeth Budry  
>   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
> On Behalf Of Ken Geraci
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:01 AM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] A few more questions for i nostri
> viaggiatori
> (ourtravellers)!
> 
> I re-read Laura's, Sheryl's, Elizabeth's and Joan's
> accounts and I'm sorry I didn't mention them also as
> great writers in my last email as their stories were
> very good as well. And I'm sure that I've still left
> off a few people. Mi dispiace!
> 
> I think many of us particularly enjoy reading about
> the various people and characters that you met in
> Sicily. Tell us about people - either family members
> or clerks, strangers or anyone you met there. And
> how
> about the parks? And the plaza in front of the
> duomo.
> Do young people still congregate there in the
> evenings
> and on weekends? And nobody has mentioned the
> scooters
> and motorcycles. Are they still there?
> 
> How did everyone do with the language? What was the
> biggest challenge, speaking Italian or understanding
> the Italian that was spoken to you? For me, I had
> studied Italian so forming the sentences was not too
> hard. However, UNDERSTANDING the Italian that was
> being spoken to me was the HARD part. And often,
> people lapse into true Sicilian for a word or phrase
> and this threw me for a loop. Was anyone in the
> group
> able to speak in true Sicilian? Maybe Madeleine? 
> 
> Tell us more!
> 
> Ken
> 
> --- Sheryl Hartnett <sah71052 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > My trip started out sitting in the plane for 5
> hours
> > AT THE GATE in St. Louis.  They let us off then
> for
> > a
> > while and we reboarded.  
> 
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From jlip37 at verizon.net  Fri Oct 13 00:42:12 2006
From: jlip37 at verizon.net (Joan Petrulis)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:42:12 -0500
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
References: <135790bb0610121159t2d55df03r290254006da16b78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001301c6ee47$4769c2c0$4001a8c0@Gonzo>

Don't know the origin of it but I found it in mine too.
Joan P.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito


> Hi all,
> I have found the surname Ardizzone-Caito in my family tree. Does
> anyone know the history of this hyphenated name?
> Franciene McDonald
> -- 
> Meet my amazing Italian American family: go to http://www.iannarino.us.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
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From erbudry at sc.rr.com  Fri Oct 13 00:43:36 2006
From: erbudry at sc.rr.com (Elizabeth Budry)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:43:36 -0400
Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
In-Reply-To: <20061012122207.77916.qmail@web81715.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c6ee47$7c74dcc0$6501a8c0@Office>

Kim:

Thanks very much.  I have a feeling this Tocco family is going to be much
more complicated than the Sansones.

Elizabeth Budry

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Kim Sansone
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:22 AM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book

Elizabeth, 

Made the copies of Terrasini section of phone book.  I
see some Aiello's, no Frontiere's but lots and lots of
Tocco's.  Will put in the mail this morning. 

--- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:

> Kim:
> 
> Many thanks.  Didn't have time to take the train to
> Terrasini this time but
> will the next time (and there will be a next time).
> 
> Elizabeth Budry
> 7 Oak Bluff Ct.
> Columbia, SC  29223
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
> On Behalf Of Kim Sansone
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:42 PM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
> 
> Send me your snail mail address and I will mail it
> out
> tomorrow. 
> 
> Kim
> 
> --- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > Kim:
> > 
> > What a clever person you are!!  If there is a
> > commune listing of Terrasini
> > which is in the PA province, could you please
> > copy/scan them and either
> > e-mail them to me or snail mail?  My paternal
> > grandfather's line is from
> > Terrasini (Tocco, Aiello, Frontieri).  Many
> thanks.
> > 
> > Elizabeth Budry  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> > [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
> > On Behalf Of Kim Sansone
> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:32 AM
> > To: Termini Website
> > Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
> > 
> > While in Termini Imerese I was able to obtain a
> > 2004-
> > 2005 Palermo province phone book, from a very nice
> > store owner.  I have made copies of the Termini
> > Imerese pages, which I will mail to Laura and she
> is
> > going to put on the website for easy access to the
> > group. 
> > 
> > If anyone needs any information for cities other
> > than
> > Termini that are located in the Palermo province,
> > please let me know and I will be happy to look the
> > information up for you. 
> > 
> > Kim Sansone 
> > 
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> >
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From erbudry at sc.rr.com  Fri Oct 13 00:46:01 2006
From: erbudry at sc.rr.com (Elizabeth Budry)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:46:01 -0400
Subject: [TI] Our trip to Termini Imerese
In-Reply-To: <1103.208.65.247.60.1160668366.squirrel@mail.295.ca>
Message-ID: <000f01c6ee47$cf9169a0$6501a8c0@Office>

Agostino:

We have allotted Monday as the day to go to the museum; however we were
fooled because museums are closed on that day.  Well, there will always be a
next time.  I understand the Termini museum is great.  

Elizabeth Budry

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of
judy.agostino at 295.ca
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:53 AM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] Our trip to Termini Imerese

>
  Hi:
    I have enjoyed reading about the 99 steps and other adventures, but
did anyone visit the Museum in Termini.  We visited it a few years
ago, and found it very interesting.
    Agostino Galioto.

 What a great trip.  We flew Eurofly from JFK directly into Palermo and
> would
> highly recommend it.  Individual screens on the back of all seats with
> movies and the trip schedule.
>
> TI was wonderful including the natural Stairmaster (the 99 steps).  The
> gelato was wonderful.  The cherry amaretto was super.  The pizza was also
> very good.  The cheese nazi (the head waiter in white jacket) was very
> funny.  He wouldn't allow anyone to have cheese on the pasta with fish.
> The
> chef absolutely forbade it, he said.  The hotel was very nice and the
> respite at Trabia was excellent.  What a view.
>
> In TI, I had a picture and address of my g-uncle Salvatore's house on
> Stesicoro.  Madeleine helped us one day but we couldn't find it.  We
> persisted on another day and found it in Basso, matching the picture to
> the
> present day house.  The bottom of the house was a borzellerio (sp) a
> leather
> shop that made purses.  There was an old couple in there and Gary prodded
> me
> to talk to them.  At first I resisted (not knowing proficient Italian) but
> finally I talked to them, explaining my zio Salvatore Sansone lived there
> previously, showed them the picture and the lady recognized Signore
> Sansone
> and his wife Rosina.  Turns out they lived next door when they were very
> young (they are probably now mid 80's).  She showed the picture to her
> husband but he had problems with his vision and it didn't register with
> him
> but he did remember them.  I also found my grandfather's house on Palazzo
> Cirullo. A few of the houses there were abandoned.
>
> My initial impression of TI?  I absolutely loved it and will definitely go
> back, next time also going to Terrasini where my paternal g-grandparents
> lived.  That is about 20 miles west of Palermo so the train will be no
> problem.  Speaking of Trenitalia, the trains are super.  What a great way
> to
> traverse the island.
>
> And last but not least, what a great bunch of people on the trip.  It is
> so
> nice to now have a face to match the lister, and we will definitely be at
> the reunion in Rochester, NY next year.
>
> Madeleine Gill was such a wonderful help to us and her cousins, John and
> Mary Badali, are such lovely people. We also met Madeline's cousin Claudio
> who was in the process of selling his ancestral home in TI because he
> lives
> in England.  What a great experience it was for us.
>
> Elizabeth Budry
> ERBudry at sc.rr.com
>
>
>
>
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From erbudry at sc.rr.com  Fri Oct 13 00:47:50 2006
From: erbudry at sc.rr.com (Elizabeth Budry)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:47:50 -0400
Subject: [TI] Our trip to Termini Imerese
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Message-ID: <001001c6ee48$11d278e0$6501a8c0@Office>

Tony:

We tried to avoid Alitalia at any cost, having never heard anything good
about them.  That's one of the reasons we ended up on Eurofly and would do
so again at any time.

Elizabeth Budry

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Tony Massaro
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:23 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] Our trip to Termini Imerese

We flew Alitalia from Chicago to Milan because we worked our way down to
Termini. I was very dissappointed. the seats were uncomfortable though it
was a 767 and the main movie screen did not work both on the way to and from
italy. And as i found several times, service didn't come with a smile.

--
Tony Massaro
acm605 at comcast.net

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: judy.agostino at 295.ca
> >
>   Hi:
>     I have enjoyed reading about the 99 steps and other adventures, but
> did anyone visit the Museum in Termini.  We visited it a few years
> ago, and found it very interesting.
>     Agostino Galioto.
> 
>  What a great trip.  We flew Eurofly from JFK directly into Palermo and
> > would
> > highly recommend it.  Individual screens on the back of all seats with
> > movies and the trip schedule.
> >
> > TI was wonderful including the natural Stairmaster (the 99 steps).  The
> > gelato was wonderful.  The cherry amaretto was super.  The pizza was
also
> > very good.  The cheese nazi (the head waiter in white jacket) was very
> > funny.  He wouldn't allow anyone to have cheese on the pasta with fish.
> > The
> > chef absolutely forbade it, he said.  The hotel was very nice and the
> > respite at Trabia was excellent.  What a view.
> >
> > In TI, I had a picture and address of my g-uncle Salvatore's house on
> > Stesicoro.  Madeleine helped us one day but we couldn't find it.  We
> > persisted on another day and found it in Basso, matching the picture to
> > the
> > present day house.  The bottom of the house was a borzellerio (sp) a
> > leather
> > shop that made purses.  There was an old couple in there and Gary
prodded
> > me
> > to talk to them.  At first I resisted (not knowing proficient Italian)
but
> > finally I talked to them, explaining my zio Salvatore Sansone lived
there
> > previously, showed them the picture and the lady recognized Signore
> > Sansone
> > and his wife Rosina.  Turns out they lived next door when they were very
> > young (they are probably now mid 80's).  She showed the picture to her
> > husband but he had problems with his vision and it didn't register with
> > him
> > but he did remember them.  I also found my grandfather's house on
Palazzo
> > Cirullo. A few of the houses there were abandoned.
> >
> > My initial impression of TI?  I absolutely loved it and will definitely
go
> > back, next time also going to Terrasini where my paternal g-grandparents
> > lived.  That is about 20 miles west of Palermo so the train will be no
> > problem.  Speaking of Trenitalia, the trains are super.  What a great
way
> > to
> > traverse the island.
> >
> > And last but not least, what a great bunch of people on the trip.  It is
> > so
> > nice to now have a face to match the lister, and we will definitely be
at
> > the reunion in Rochester, NY next year.
> >
> > Madeleine Gill was such a wonderful help to us and her cousins, John and
> > Mary Badali, are such lovely people. We also met Madeline's cousin
Claudio
> > who was in the process of selling his ancestral home in TI because he
> > lives
> > in England.  What a great experience it was for us.
> >
> > Elizabeth Budry
> > ERBudry at sc.rr.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TerminiImerese mailing list
> > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >
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> >
> 
> 
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From erbudry at sc.rr.com  Fri Oct 13 00:50:27 2006
From: erbudry at sc.rr.com (Elizabeth Budry)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:50:27 -0400
Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
In-Reply-To: <000801c6ee2f$a94ce3e0$6900a8c0@hsd1.ut.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001101c6ee48$6e038be0$6501a8c0@Office>

Thanks, Kathy.  The next time I will be on that bus to Terrasini.

Elizabeth Budry

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Kathy
Kirkpatrick
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:27 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book

Elizabeth,

The train station is quite a ways out of Terrasini, so I took the bus from
Palermo instead (before I got brave enough to drive there). You'll end up in
the center of town (Terrasini) on the bus. Lovely views!

Kathy Kirkpatrick
GenTracer
PO Box 11955
Salt Lake City, UT 84147
801 755 6991
www.gentracer.com
gentracer at gentracer.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Budry" <erbudry at sc.rr.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book


> Kim:
>
> Many thanks.  Didn't have time to take the train to Terrasini this time
but
> will the next time (and there will be a next time).
>
> Elizabeth Budry
> 7 Oak Bluff Ct.
> Columbia, SC  29223
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Kim
Sansone
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:42 PM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
>
> Send me your snail mail address and I will mail it out
> tomorrow.
>
> Kim
>
> --- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Kim:
> >
> > What a clever person you are!!  If there is a
> > commune listing of Terrasini
> > which is in the PA province, could you please
> > copy/scan them and either
> > e-mail them to me or snail mail?  My paternal
> > grandfather's line is from
> > Terrasini (Tocco, Aiello, Frontieri).  Many thanks.
> >
> > Elizabeth Budry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> > [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
> > On Behalf Of Kim Sansone
> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 7:32 AM
> > To: Termini Website
> > Subject: [TI] Palermo Province Phone Book
> >
> > While in Termini Imerese I was able to obtain a
> > 2004-
> > 2005 Palermo province phone book, from a very nice
> > store owner.  I have made copies of the Termini
> > Imerese pages, which I will mail to Laura and she is
> > going to put on the website for easy access to the
> > group.
> >
> > If anyone needs any information for cities other
> > than
> > Termini that are located in the Palermo province,
> > please let me know and I will be happy to look the
> > information up for you.
> >
> > Kim Sansone
> >
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> >
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Thu Oct 12 18:08:15 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:08:15 -0400
Subject: [TI] 198 STEPS
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Terry, remember these poor old souls had to go down them to get to the boat 
at the turn of the centaury.  That may have been their only trip down them.
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry Skibiski" <tskibiski at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] 198 STEPS


>I think we need to re-calculate the steps.  If you go
> up 99, and come down 99, that makes 198.  I was also
> thinking that if they were smart, most the ancestors
> didn't climb the steps at all.  If they lived at the
> top, they stayed at the top.  Those on the bottom were
> bottom dwellers all their lives.  You know, sort of
> like the Morlocks and Earloys of The Time Machine.
> Those who did have to climb them came to America to
> escape.  Think about it:  Are there churches at the
> top? Yes.  Are there churches at the bottom?  Yes.  Is
> there gelatto at the top?  Yes.  Is there Gelatto at
> the bottom?  Yes.  What else could possibly motivate
> you to climb these things?  If you visited someone,
> you stopped three times before you got there to drop
> in on another relative, since you were in the
> neighborhood (or altitude) and got refreshed.
>
> Terry
>
> --- LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
>
>> I must be crazy but, I would love to give them a
>> try.  I don't do  steps well
>> either.  When I go to the movies, I like to sit all
>> the way at  the top of
>> the stadium seats and it just about kills me to get
>> up there.   It takes about
>> five minutes of bellowing like a buffalo to catch my
>>  breath!  So why do I want
>> to do those steps?  Because my ancestors  walked
>> them, and I want to walk in
>> their footsteps.  I guess I could find  an easier
>> place though to walk in
>> their footsteps but the list has made them  sound
>> fascinating to me.
>>
>> Diane
>
>
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Thu Oct 12 18:11:59 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:11:59 -0400
Subject: [TI] A few more questions for i nostri
	viaggiatori(ourtravellers)!
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Question, why didn't a few pitch in a rent a car for things like this? 
Going up, coming down, stores, churches.  Anyone who had some  errand could 
have the car to use.  Not to travel all around, just for this local getting 
to get around.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Budry" <erbudry at sc.rr.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] A few more questions for i nostri 
viaggiatori(ourtravellers)!


> Ken:
>
> For the most part, I understood a good part of what the locals said but 
> the
> problem herein is that I don't speak but a few phrases and/or words.  My
> husband said he was surprised that we did as well as we did but he figured
> it was because I persisted in trying to make myself understood.
>
> In Termini at the train station, the machine stamps date and time on the
> train tickets; in Palermo, the machine just makes a weird little partial
> hole in the ticket.  We did not know the 5 pm train from Palermo to 
> Termini
> did not run on "festivi" days and guess what?  Sunday was a festivi day.
> The gentleman in the information booth at the Palermo station did not
> understand one lick of English but the woman had a better understanding.
> She told us to take the Milan overnight and it stopped in Termini.  The
> conductor told us to use the Primo Due cars (first or second) of about 25
> cars.  I asked where we could "stampa" the tickets.  No one understood me
> (no wonder) but when I motioned for stamping the ticket, they understood.
> Then I was worried about the weird little hole in the ticket.  The 
> conductor
> told me he would scrivere the ticket when he collected them.
>
> And God Bless Madeleine.  She helped us with the language barrier a whole
> lot.  She was a tremendous help.  The local people were lovely and
> demonstrated a willingness to help us Americani.  Their directions were
> superb (even if we didn't understand them).  Between their gestures,
> pointing, it was great.
>
> Elizabeth Budry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Ken Geraci
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:01 AM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] A few more questions for i nostri viaggiatori
> (ourtravellers)!
>
> I re-read Laura's, Sheryl's, Elizabeth's and Joan's
> accounts and I'm sorry I didn't mention them also as
> great writers in my last email as their stories were
> very good as well. And I'm sure that I've still left
> off a few people. Mi dispiace!
>
> I think many of us particularly enjoy reading about
> the various people and characters that you met in
> Sicily. Tell us about people - either family members
> or clerks, strangers or anyone you met there. And how
> about the parks? And the plaza in front of the duomo.
> Do young people still congregate there in the evenings
> and on weekends? And nobody has mentioned the scooters
> and motorcycles. Are they still there?
>
> How did everyone do with the language? What was the
> biggest challenge, speaking Italian or understanding
> the Italian that was spoken to you? For me, I had
> studied Italian so forming the sentences was not too
> hard. However, UNDERSTANDING the Italian that was
> being spoken to me was the HARD part. And often,
> people lapse into true Sicilian for a word or phrase
> and this threw me for a loop. Was anyone in the group
> able to speak in true Sicilian? Maybe Madeleine?
>
> Tell us more!
>
> Ken
>
> --- Sheryl Hartnett <sah71052 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> My trip started out sitting in the plane for 5 hours
>> AT THE GATE in St. Louis.  They let us off then for
>> a
>> while and we reboarded.
>
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Thu Oct 12 18:22:20 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:22:20 -0400
Subject: [TI] cemetery
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Fr. Anthony,  I like our American way.  You pay up front and it's yours 
forever.
I hate to think my ancestors bones are spread all ovr the land.  I wonder 
why they did not do it our way.
Ann Riggio
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fr. Anthony Delisi" <franthony at trappist.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] cemetery


> Dear Cousins,
>
> In the Termini cemetery it is the custom every few years to empty the 
> older
> caskets into a common casket in; the bottom of the compartment.
>
> PAX. fr. Anthony Delisi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Corie
> Lindemann
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:00 PM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] cemetery
>
> Terry,
> Thanks for the details on the graves. I wondered how deep they were and 
> how
> many they fit in there when we were watching the burials.  We saw several
> headstones with quite a few names and could not figure the space 
> logistics,
> especially after watching a couple of burials! The graves didn't seem that
> deep. I just feel sorry for those poor people whose family didn't pay rent
> (including mine). The center of those sections are so bleak and barren.
> Toto was trying to tell me something about my great great grandfathers 
> grave
>
> and I wish I had an interpreter along for that part. We were interrupted 
> by
> some official cemetery business. I think he was just telling me that there
> wasn't a stone for him, but I'll have to find out more next time! (and 
> learn
>
> more Italian!)
> I'm buying lottery tickets for the return trip!!  I'm thinking timeshare!
> Some place with a good supply of butter and cheese and free water (no 
> gas!)!
>
> Corie
>
> PS... I, too, had several dreams in Italian on the plane and after my
> return. I couldn't understand too much, but I just kept saying "mi 
> dispiace"
>
> and "grazie" a lot.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Terry Skibiski" <tskibiski at yahoo.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:51 AM
> Subject: [TI] cemetery
>
>
> Greetings, all!  I just thought I'd scribble a few
> lines to let you know how the Termini cemetery project
> went, and share a little information I learned while
> there.   I talked to To To Loparella, the cemetery
> director, via an interpreter and was given some
> interesting information.  We had been told some of
> this before, but he helped fill in some of the gaps.
> The plots in the cemetery are not like the nice grassy
> plots here with one or two people buried in each
> space.  There are 20 sections in the main part of the
> cemetery, and the graves are situated around the
> perimeter of each section.  Sections are separated by
> narrow paved streets.  Graves consist of a concrete or
> marble slab over a grave 16 feet deep, which is also
> lined with concrete.  Caskets are lowered into the
> vertical crypt, and piled one on top of each other.
> In this way entire families can be buried together.
> Headstones for the most part consist of marble,
> limestone, or concrete vertical slabs inlaid with oval
> ceramic photos of the deceased, with the birth and
> death dates recorded underneath or next to the photo.
> Some also have small plaques sitting on marble easels
> on top of the slab.  Grave sites are rented to the
> families for 20 years, and if the rent is not renewed,
> then the bodies are exhumed and re-interred in the
> central area of the section, sometimes with a small
> steel cross or rock to mark the spot, but more often
> than not, no marker at all.  The concrete sites are
> then rented to another family.   Old headstones are
> returned to the family.  Of course, if the family does
> renew the rent, then the bodies remain for a longer
> time.  Occasionally families will acquire a larger
> site and move the scattered family members to the new
> site so all the family is together.  The most number
> of people I counted buried in one spot was 29, but
> that site was wider than the majority of sites.
> Wealthy families have tall mausoleums where the family
> is placed in the walls in vaults.  The insides of
> these contain altars, chairs, statues, paintings,
> candelabras, and photos of the family - very elegant
> and ornate, like a small private chapel.
>
> The whole cemetery is quite peaceful and emotionally
> moving.  Most of the graves in the cemetery are
> beautifully but simply decorated with flowers and
> candles.  They are all kept up very nice and clean.  I
> saw several families there decorating plots, or
> washing and sweeping them.  There is no "old" section
> per se, because families are buried together, but the
> section in the north part was the first part of the
> cemetery built.  This was the area I photographed, but
> because of the large numbers of people buried in each
> plot, it took a great deal of time, and I only managed
> to photograph four sections.  I have 696 photos, and
> many of these have multiple people on them.  It will
> take a while to transcribe all of the information on
> these pictures, and the dates range from the early
> 1900s to 2006.  Paul Caito and Sheryl Hartnet also did
> some photographing, and we will be consolidating all
> the pictures into one database.
>
> Thanks for your patience with this project.  I would
> be happy to accept large monetary donations from
> anyone who wants me to return and continue this.
> Really, I will.  No, I'm serious.  I will take
> anybody's money.  I'm not proud.  I want to go back!
> It may take several trips, so please contribute
> generously and often!  I will even send you a postcard
> while I'm there.
>
> Still dreaming in Italian,
> Terry
>
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From erbudry at sc.rr.com  Fri Oct 13 00:55:24 2006
From: erbudry at sc.rr.com (Elizabeth Budry)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:55:24 -0400
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
In-Reply-To: <135790bb0610121159t2d55df03r290254006da16b78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201c6ee49$1f115250$6501a8c0@Office>

Franciene:

What a great web site!!  Just love reading about our ancestors.

Elizabeth Budry

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Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito

Hi all,
I have found the surname Ardizzone-Caito in my family tree. Does
anyone know the history of this hyphenated name?
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Fri Oct 13 01:00:02 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:00:02 -0500
Subject: [TI] 198 STEPS
In-Reply-To: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.84$.001401c6ee10$3f8eac00$549a50ce@DJZBSK81>
References: <20061012000900.32460.qmail@web35402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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going down is always easier LOL

anniegoe wrote:

>Terry, remember these poor old souls had to go down them to get to the boat 
>at the turn of the centaury.  That may have been their only trip down them.
>Ann
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Terry Skibiski" <tskibiski at yahoo.com>
>To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:09 PM
>Subject: Re: [TI] 198 STEPS
>
>
>  
>
>>I think we need to re-calculate the steps.  If you go
>>up 99, and come down 99, that makes 198.  I was also
>>thinking that if they were smart, most the ancestors
>>didn't climb the steps at all.  If they lived at the
>>top, they stayed at the top.  Those on the bottom were
>>bottom dwellers all their lives.  You know, sort of
>>like the Morlocks and Earloys of The Time Machine.
>>Those who did have to climb them came to America to
>>escape.  Think about it:  Are there churches at the
>>top? Yes.  Are there churches at the bottom?  Yes.  Is
>>there gelatto at the top?  Yes.  Is there Gelatto at
>>the bottom?  Yes.  What else could possibly motivate
>>you to climb these things?  If you visited someone,
>>you stopped three times before you got there to drop
>>in on another relative, since you were in the
>>neighborhood (or altitude) and got refreshed.
>>
>>Terry
>>
>>--- LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I must be crazy but, I would love to give them a
>>>try.  I don't do  steps well
>>>either.  When I go to the movies, I like to sit all
>>>the way at  the top of
>>>the stadium seats and it just about kills me to get
>>>up there.   It takes about
>>>five minutes of bellowing like a buffalo to catch my
>>> breath!  So why do I want
>>>to do those steps?  Because my ancestors  walked
>>>them, and I want to walk in
>>>their footsteps.  I guess I could find  an easier
>>>place though to walk in
>>>their footsteps but the list has made them  sound
>>>fascinating to me.
>>>
>>>Diane
>>>      
>>>
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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 13 03:02:12 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:02:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Alitalia
In-Reply-To: <001001c6ee48$11d278e0$6501a8c0@Office>
Message-ID: <20061013000212.10877.qmail@web60321.mail.yahoo.com>

I flew Alitalia in 2000 from Rome and I thought they
were pretty good. Of course I admit to being somewhat
captivated by the Italian stewardesses wearing their
little green, red and white outfits and it's possible
that my critical judgment was distracted! LOL Sorry to
hear that they've apparently gone downhill.

Ken

--- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:

> Tony:
> 
> We tried to avoid Alitalia at any cost, having never
> heard anything good
> about them.  That's one of the reasons we ended up
> on Eurofly and would do
> so again at any time.
> 
> Elizabeth Budry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
> On Behalf Of Tony Massaro
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:23 PM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] Our trip to Termini Imerese
> 
> We flew Alitalia from Chicago to Milan because we
> worked our way down to
> Termini. I was very dissappointed. the seats were
> uncomfortable though it
> was a 767 and the main movie screen did not work
> both on the way to and from
> italy. And as i found several times, service didn't
> come with a smile.
> 
> --
> Tony Massaro
> acm605 at comcast.net
> 
>  -------------- Original message
> ----------------------
> From: judy.agostino at 295.ca
> > >
> >   Hi:
> >     I have enjoyed reading about the 99 steps and
> other adventures, but
> > did anyone visit the Museum in Termini.  We
> visited it a few years
> > ago, and found it very interesting.
> >     Agostino Galioto.
> > 
> >  What a great trip.  We flew Eurofly from JFK
> directly into Palermo and
> > > would
> > > highly recommend it.  Individual screens on the
> back of all seats with
> > > movies and the trip schedule.
> > >
> > > TI was wonderful including the natural
> Stairmaster (the 99 steps).  The
> > > gelato was wonderful.  The cherry amaretto was
> super.  The pizza was
> also
> > > very good.  The cheese nazi (the head waiter in
> white jacket) was very
> > > funny.  He wouldn't allow anyone to have cheese
> on the pasta with fish.
> > > The
> > > chef absolutely forbade it, he said.  The hotel
> was very nice and the
> > > respite at Trabia was excellent.  What a view.
> > >
> > > In TI, I had a picture and address of my g-uncle
> Salvatore's house on
> > > Stesicoro.  Madeleine helped us one day but we
> couldn't find it.  We
> > > persisted on another day and found it in Basso,
> matching the picture to
> > > the
> > > present day house.  The bottom of the house was
> a borzellerio (sp) a
> > > leather
> > > shop that made purses.  There was an old couple
> in there and Gary
> prodded
> > > me
> > > to talk to them.  At first I resisted (not
> knowing proficient Italian)
> but
> > > finally I talked to them, explaining my zio
> Salvatore Sansone lived
> there
> > > previously, showed them the picture and the lady
> recognized Signore
> > > Sansone
> > > and his wife Rosina.  Turns out they lived next
> door when they were very
> > > young (they are probably now mid 80's).  She
> showed the picture to her
> > > husband but he had problems with his vision and
> it didn't register with
> > > him
> > > but he did remember them.  I also found my
> grandfather's house on
> Palazzo
> > > Cirullo. A few of the houses there were
> abandoned.
> > >
> > > My initial impression of TI?  I absolutely loved
> it and will definitely
> go
> > > back, next time also going to Terrasini where my
> paternal g-grandparents
> > > lived.  That is about 20 miles west of Palermo
> so the train will be no
> > > problem.  Speaking of Trenitalia, the trains are
> super.  What a great
> way
> > > to
> > > traverse the island.
> > >
> > > And last but not least, what a great bunch of
> people on the trip.  It is
> > > so
> > > nice to now have a face to match the lister, and
> we will definitely be
> at
> > > the reunion in Rochester, NY next year.
> > >
> > > Madeleine Gill was such a wonderful help to us
> and her cousins, John and
> > > Mary Badali, are such lovely people. We also met
> Madeline's cousin
> Claudio
> > > who was in the process of selling his ancestral
> home in TI because he
> > > lives
> > > in England.  What a great experience it was for
> us.
> > >
> > > Elizabeth Budry
> > > ERBudry at sc.rr.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 13 03:03:52 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:03:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] 198 STEPS
In-Reply-To: <452EBAE2.30307@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <20061013000352.73676.qmail@web60320.mail.yahoo.com>

Some of my relatives actually claim to have more
problems (knee problems) going down steps than going
up steps...  With me, I always like going down rather
than up!

Ken

--- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:

> going down is always easier LOL
> 
> anniegoe wrote:
> 
> >Terry, remember these poor old souls had to go down
> them to get to the boat 
> >at the turn of the centaury.  That may have been
> their only trip down them.
> >Ann
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Terry Skibiski" <tskibiski at yahoo.com>
> >To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:09 PM
> >Subject: Re: [TI] 198 STEPS
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I think we need to re-calculate the steps.  If you
> go
> >>up 99, and come down 99, that makes 198.  I was
> also
> >>thinking that if they were smart, most the
> ancestors
> >>didn't climb the steps at all.  If they lived at
> the
> >>top, they stayed at the top.  Those on the bottom
> were
> >>bottom dwellers all their lives.  You know, sort
> of
> >>like the Morlocks and Earloys of The Time Machine.
> >>Those who did have to climb them came to America
> to
> >>escape.  Think about it:  Are there churches at
> the
> >>top? Yes.  Are there churches at the bottom?  Yes.
>  Is
> >>there gelatto at the top?  Yes.  Is there Gelatto
> at
> >>the bottom?  Yes.  What else could possibly
> motivate
> >>you to climb these things?  If you visited
> someone,
> >>you stopped three times before you got there to
> drop
> >>in on another relative, since you were in the
> >>neighborhood (or altitude) and got refreshed.
> >>
> >>Terry
> >>
> >>--- LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>I must be crazy but, I would love to give them a
> >>>try.  I don't do  steps well
> >>>either.  When I go to the movies, I like to sit
> all
> >>>the way at  the top of
> >>>the stadium seats and it just about kills me to
> get
> >>>up there.   It takes about
> >>>five minutes of bellowing like a buffalo to catch
> my
> >>> breath!  So why do I want
> >>>to do those steps?  Because my ancestors  walked
> >>>them, and I want to walk in
> >>>their footsteps.  I guess I could find  an easier
> >>>place though to walk in
> >>>their footsteps but the list has made them  sound
> >>>fascinating to me.
> >>>
> >>>Diane
> >>>      
> >>>
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From erinsmom at gmail.com  Fri Oct 13 03:15:46 2006
From: erinsmom at gmail.com (erinsmom)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:15:46 -0500
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
In-Reply-To: <001201c6ee49$1f115250$6501a8c0@Office>
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	<001201c6ee49$1f115250$6501a8c0@Office>
Message-ID: <135790bb0610121715g7517b9b6ka8629126cd133def@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Elizabeth. I am grateful anytime someone reads about my family.
Franciene

On 10/12/06, Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:
> Franciene:
>
> What a great web site!!  Just love reading about our ancestors.
>
> Elizabeth Budry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of erinsmom
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:00 PM
> To: TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
>
> Hi all,
> I have found the surname Ardizzone-Caito in my family tree. Does
> anyone know the history of this hyphenated name?
> Franciene McDonald
> --
> Meet my amazing Italian American family: go to http://www.iannarino.us.
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From erinsmom at gmail.com  Fri Oct 13 03:16:45 2006
From: erinsmom at gmail.com (erinsmom)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:16:45 -0500
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
In-Reply-To: <001301c6ee47$4769c2c0$4001a8c0@Gonzo>
References: <135790bb0610121159t2d55df03r290254006da16b78@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <135790bb0610121716l3fb6fd44i2b36d3a2cf618d6e@mail.gmail.com>

Joan
I know there is a Paul Caito on the list. That is why I asked the
question. Wonder if his family shortened the name. It seems an unusual
name.
Franciene

On 10/12/06, Joan Petrulis <jlip37 at verizon.net> wrote:
> Don't know the origin of it but I found it in mine too.
> Joan P.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
> To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:59 PM
> Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
>
>
> > Hi all,
> > I have found the surname Ardizzone-Caito in my family tree. Does
> > anyone know the history of this hyphenated name?
> > Franciene McDonald
> > --
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> >
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From erbudry at sc.rr.com  Fri Oct 13 03:39:43 2006
From: erbudry at sc.rr.com (Elizabeth Budry)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:39:43 -0400
Subject: [TI] Family residences
Message-ID: <000601c6ee60$13d7f8f0$6501a8c0@Office>

Just a thought:  How old are the residences that we saw in Termini?  I saw
the house where my grandfather was born and that was in 1887.  Were they
kept in the family and handed down?  It seems like his family had a
different residence each time a baby was born, maybe just down the street or
across the street.  They probably never owned their own house.

Second question:  Where is the division between Termini Alta and Termini
Basso?  When I started looking for my grandfather's family, someone in the
family told me he was from Alta because he was a farmer and my other
g-grandfather was a fisherman because he lived in Basso.  Turns out he
didn't live in Alta but lived in Basso.  

Third question:  My g-grandfather was a contadino, farm worker, but are
there any records of any sort to show me where he worked or were they kind
of like today's migrant workers, just eeking out a living day to day?  If
that is the case, no wonder my grandpa never wanted to go back to Termini.
Probably not too many happy memories there.  

I know these are a lot of questions but actually seeing Termini in person
has raised many, many questions.

Elizabeth Budry 




From SReif1956 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 13 04:00:09 2006
From: SReif1956 at comcast.net (SReif1956 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:00:09 +0000
Subject: [TI] cars in TI
Message-ID: <101320060100.10468.452EE51900090AAC000028E42209224627C0CAC7CE00070AADAC@comcast.net>

Most of us did not get cars because driving down the narrow streets and trying to find someplace to park seemed like a challenge.  It's just easier to walk to where you need to go.  Besides, we would not have met the interesting people of TI if we were in cars....like the Busalacchi that I found living in my Pitti house!  I felt like I was totally immersed in the culture by walking all around.  Plan to do the same the next time I visit.  Can't it be sooner than 2011??????

Sharon
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "anniegoe" <anniegoe at fyi.net>
> Question, why didn't a few pitch in a rent a car for things like this? 
> Going up, coming down, stores, churches.  Anyone who had some  errand could 
> have the car to use.  Not to travel all around, just for this local getting 
> to get around.
> 



From tskibiski at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 13 04:16:13 2006
From: tskibiski at yahoo.com (Terry Skibiski)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:16:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Alitalia
In-Reply-To: <001001c6ee48$11d278e0$6501a8c0@Office>
Message-ID: <20061013011613.90430.qmail@web35412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Alitalia was the airline that gave me the wrong
information at the Rome airport twice, causing me to
miss my flight.  Then when I finally got to the right
terminal, there was no one at the check-in gate, even
though there was almost an hour before the flight took
off.  I will avoid them in the future like old soggy
cannoli.

Terry

--- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:

> Tony:
> 
> We tried to avoid Alitalia at any cost, having never
> heard anything good
> about them.  That's one of the reasons we ended up
> on Eurofly and would do
> so again at any time.
> 
> Elizabeth Budry


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From tskibiski at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 13 04:38:01 2006
From: tskibiski at yahoo.com (Terry Skibiski)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:38:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Family residences
In-Reply-To: <000601c6ee60$13d7f8f0$6501a8c0@Office>
Message-ID: <20061013013801.46232.qmail@web35407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I don't know about homes in Termini, but when I
visited family in Torrice, they showed me the
nine-story house Joyce's great grandparents lived in
(commonly known as "the castle"), and after they had
eight children, they moved.  The "new house" is now
three hundred years old, and the family still lives
there.  Actually, the original house has now been
divided into four separate houses, each three stories
tall, where two or three related families reside.  In
the old days the women all cooked in one large,
central kitchen, and then delivered the food in
baskets on their heads to the men working in the
fields.  They still use the kitchen, cooking the pasta
in a large cauldron.  They still have the vineyards, 
using the old wine press to make their own wine.  They
raise milk cows and make their own prosciutto.  What
we call "extended family" they simply call "family". 
No extension or marriage is too far to remove you from
the relationship.  I was not even related to these
people, since most of them are my wife's third
cousins, but I was treated like royalty, and the old
people were in tears when I left, insisting that I
spend the week.  I promised to return in a couple
years with Joyce and stay with them.  By then my
Italian should be a little better.

Terry

--- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:

> Just a thought:  How old are the residences that we
> saw in Termini?  I saw
> the house where my grandfather was born and that was
> in 1887.  Were they
> kept in the family and handed down?  It seems like
> his family had a
> different residence each time a baby was born, maybe
> just down the street or
> across the street.  They probably never owned their
> own house.
> 
> Second question:  Where is the division between
> Termini Alta and Termini
> Basso?  When I started looking for my grandfather's
> family, someone in the
> family told me he was from Alta because he was a
> farmer and my other
> g-grandfather was a fisherman because he lived in
> Basso.  Turns out he
> didn't live in Alta but lived in Basso.  
> 
> Third question:  My g-grandfather was a contadino,
> farm worker, but are
> there any records of any sort to show me where he
> worked or were they kind
> of like today's migrant workers, just eeking out a
> living day to day?  If
> that is the case, no wonder my grandpa never wanted
> to go back to Termini.
> Probably not too many happy memories there.  
> 
> I know these are a lot of questions but actually
> seeing Termini in person
> has raised many, many questions.
> 
> Elizabeth Budry 
> 
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From aj4eyes at sympatico.ca  Fri Oct 13 04:53:00 2006
From: aj4eyes at sympatico.ca (A. J. Quattrocchi)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:53:00 -0400
Subject: [TI] Madeleine  Gill
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Madeleine got home early this afternoon, and she phoned us to give us some info. she said she had a lot of hits and about 330 messages to check on after she unpacked and got some rest. A.J. Quattrocchi


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry Skibiski" <tskibiski at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Family residences


> I don't know about homes in Termini, but when I
> visited family in Torrice, they showed me the
> nine-story house Joyce's great grandparents lived in
> (commonly known as "the castle"), and after they had
> eight children, they moved.  The "new house" is now
> three hundred years old, and the family still lives
> there.  Actually, the original house has now been
> divided into four separate houses, each three stories
> tall, where two or three related families reside.  In
> the old days the women all cooked in one large,
> central kitchen, and then delivered the food in
> baskets on their heads to the men working in the
> fields.  They still use the kitchen, cooking the pasta
> in a large cauldron.  They still have the vineyards, 
> using the old wine press to make their own wine.  They
> raise milk cows and make their own prosciutto.  What
> we call "extended family" they simply call "family". 
> No extension or marriage is too far to remove you from
> the relationship.  I was not even related to these
> people, since most of them are my wife's third
> cousins, but I was treated like royalty, and the old
> people were in tears when I left, insisting that I
> spend the week.  I promised to return in a couple
> years with Joyce and stay with them.  By then my
> Italian should be a little better.
> 
> Terry
> 
> --- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > Just a thought:  How old are the residences that we
> > saw in Termini?  I saw
> > the house where my grandfather was born and that was
> > in 1887.  Were they
> > kept in the family and handed down?  It seems like
> > his family had a
> > different residence each time a baby was born, maybe
> > just down the street or
> > across the street.  They probably never owned their
> > own house.
> > 
> > Second question:  Where is the division between
> > Termini Alta and Termini
> > Basso?  When I started looking for my grandfather's
> > family, someone in the
> > family told me he was from Alta because he was a
> > farmer and my other
> > g-grandfather was a fisherman because he lived in
> > Basso.  Turns out he
> > didn't live in Alta but lived in Basso.  
> > 
> > Third question:  My g-grandfather was a contadino,
> > farm worker, but are
> > there any records of any sort to show me where he
> > worked or were they kind
> > of like today's migrant workers, just eeking out a
> > living day to day?  If
> > that is the case, no wonder my grandpa never wanted
> > to go back to Termini.
> > Probably not too many happy memories there.  
> > 
> > I know these are a lot of questions but actually
> > seeing Termini in person
> > has raised many, many questions.
> > 
> > Elizabeth Budry 
> > 
> > 
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From dfg353 at cox.net  Fri Oct 13 05:19:43 2006
From: dfg353 at cox.net (dfg353 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:19:43 -0400
Subject: [TI] churches
Message-ID: <17837900.1160705983938.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net>

Terry..interesting that you went to Cammarata. My paternal grandfather's family came from the town 'next door', San Giovanni Gemini. I suspect that some of them were from Cammarata as well, since I often see in the Allegati that the bride was from Cammarata and the groom from San Giovanni (or vice versa).

I'd be interested to know what family names of yours are from Cammarata.

Dom Guagenti
Va Beach, VA
---- Terry Skibiski <tskibiski at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Here's a little bit of information I gathered from my
> day trip to Cammarata and Castronuovo.  There are many
> churches in these little Sicilian towns (including
> Termini), often several on the same block, and a few
> of them right next door to each other.  Apparently as
> the population grew, the churches were not large
> enough to hold all the parishioners, so they would
> build another church to handle the overflow.  Churches
> were traditionally built on the highest point in town
> (you know, closer to God), or at least the highest
> point available, so many were near each other to
> fulfill that tradition.  Families worshiped at the
> same church, regardless of whether or not it was the
> closest.  Most records were kept at the "mother
> church", although some records were also retained at
> the "family church".  Therefore, it is important
> before you go to know what church the family was
> married in; check the allegati.  If the priest at the
> mother church isn't cooperative, or isn't around, try
> the local church.  
> 
> One priest was particularly helpful, and spent an hour
> with me looking up names and dates.  I found it
> amazing that he knew just by looking at the names
> where these people were from.  He looked at my family
> tree and said, "This person is from Cammarata, this
> one is from Castronuovo, this one is from Lercarra." 
> He recognized names just as we can figure out that
> Jose Delgato is Mexican, Jan Swensen is Swedish, etc. 
> He also apologized that the records only went back to
> 1600 (the church was built in 1081), but a fire had
> destroyed the "old" records.  In one town I asked how
> old the town was, and was told, "Not very old.  It
> only goes back to the middle ages."  I guess
> everything is relative.  Here we put up signs if a
> house dates to the 1800s.  What a laugh! 
> 
> Terry 
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From ltedesco26 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 13 06:13:51 2006
From: ltedesco26 at yahoo.com (Larie Tedesco)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:13:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLKKLDJDGJKFLCLLEMEBFEDAA.fpalmis@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20061013031351.95184.qmail@web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

  
    I love looking at the pictures which I have looked
at a few times.  I noticed especially, the poor
section of the cemetery.  It is heartbreaking to see
that.  Can't tell who is buried there and not kept up.
 Unfortunately, amongst all the nice cemeteries we
have here we do have a cemetery like that, probably
even worse.  It looks like a junk yard because the
families of the deceased trys to mark off the space of
their love one with whatever they can find, wood,
bricks, and just all kinds of stuff over the body that
no one else will be buried there, and some of the
graves have names of the persons on some of that
trash.  They are buried in the ground. When I first
saw it I could not believe my eyes.  I don't remember
the name right now.  The potter's field here looks ok,
it is just grass that is mowed fairly often.  
     When looking at that part of the cemetery in
Termini makes me wonder if any of my family is buried
there. 

Larie 

--- "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> I've put my pics into a slide show that you can view
> at
> http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you
> are using a dial-up
> connection.
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> Frank Palmisano
> 
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From pjcaito at frontiernet.net  Fri Oct 13 06:43:44 2006
From: pjcaito at frontiernet.net (Paul  J. Caito)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:43:44 -0400
Subject: [TI] post office story - Postcards
References: <BAY108-F5054174F4C188E8E994ECB8150@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003101c6ee79$c95b5fa0$6401a8c0@frontiernet.net>

Another good place for postcards (I found out too late) was, believe
it or not, the tobacco shop at the Termini train station!  We went in
to buy our train tickets in there when we left for Palermo and just as
I was walking out I noticed a HUGE supply of Termini postcards - many
more than was found at the tobacco shop in Alta Termini on via
Mazzini.

Paul J. Caito
Rochester, NY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] post office story


> I found them the first day at the tobacco shop across from Dolce
Vienna on
> Via Mazzini in alta. Paul went there later and just about cleaned
them out.
> I then found a few more at a little shop in bassa off of Via Bagni.
I should
> scan those in and send to Laura so we can post them. Pretty nice
views...
> although I personally think our collective photos were better!!
>
> Corie
>
>
>
> >From: "Colby, Nancy" <NCOLBY at allstate.com>
> >Reply-To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> >Subject: Re: [TI] post office story
> >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:49:34 -0500
> >
> >I can't believe you found postcards in Termini, I thought I looked
in
> >every shop in Termini, no postcards to be found anywhere.
Actually, I
> >couldn't find any kind of a souvenir with the name Termini on it.
> >
> >Nancy
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> >[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of
Corie
> >Lindemann
> >Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:18 AM
> >To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >Subject: [TI] post office story
> >
> >A funny post office story...
> >I bought some postcards at a tobacco shop (not the one Paul cleaned
out
> >up in Alta), and asked for enough "francobollo" to mail them. The
clerk
> >gave me 60 cents worth for each card. After I heard Paul say they
were
> >85 cents for international postage, I went to the post office
station at
> >the Palermo airport for more. I showed the clerk the postcards with
60
> >and said I needed
> >25 cents more. She pointed across the way and I thought she meant I
had
> >to get in the LONG line, but then she shouted and called me back
and
> >pointed to the mailbox. Confused, I asked again about additional
> >postage. She waved her hands furiously and said "no difference, no
> >difference", meaning that it really didn't matter how much postage
I put
> >on those babies. I expect they'll show up by Christmas...if I'm
lucky!
> >
> >Corie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
> > >Reply-To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > >To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > >Subject: Re: [TI] taxis
> > >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:04:28 -0500
> > >
> > >This sounds similar to the experience that Paul Caito and I had
at the
> > >post office.  Paul wanted to buy stamps and I needed a few also.
He
> > >took a number............there were four windows open and the
people
> > >were just standing around waiting for their numbers to be called.
> > >There were 7 or 8 numbers in front of Paul's so after about 30
minutes
> > >of not getting any closer to the window, we left.  Then Jim and
Elaine
> > >told us to buy them in the tobacco shop instead which we did in
> > >Cefalu'.  So much simpler.
> > >
> > >By the way.........I mailed 1 postcard on Monday to my office.
It got
> > >there on Thursday - not too bad.  On Tuesday morning I mailed 3
more
> > >and they arrived on Saturday here in Staunton.
> > >
> > >Joan Petrulis wrote:
> > >
> > > >The problem I had was that taxis were not recognizable once you
were
> > > >deposited somewhere and needed a ride back. However, who needs
a taxi
> > >when
> > > >you have famiglia? We were searching for a Banco di Sicilia and
our
> > >cugini
> > > >(?) happened to be driving down the street. They jumped out of
the
> > > >car
> > >and
> > > >left it running right in traffic as they proceeded to direct
us.
> > > >After
> > >much
> > > >arm waving and shouting Pietro got back in and drove off while
Teresa
> > >helped
> > > >us with our banking task.When we found the bank we pulled #149
and
> > > >the teller was on #20. A futile errand, we decided we didn't
need to
> > > >spend
> > >any
> > > >money after all.
> > > >
> > > >Joan P.
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
> > > >To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:03 PM
> > > >Subject: [TI] taxis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>We used a taxi the first morning when we overslept and had to
get to
> >
> > > >>the Duomo for the tour (that was postponed) right away. The
desk
> > > >>clerk
> > >looked
> > > >>at
> > > >>me like I was nuts when I said I needed a taxi right now. Not
on
> > >Sicilian
> > > >>time! One did come in about 5 minutes, so I was impressed
based on
> > > >>what
> > >I
> > > >>had heard. The hotel apparently had 2 "reliable" taxi drivers
that
> > > >>they recommend and call when needed.
> > > >>
> > > >>Corie
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>From: Ken Geraci <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
> > > >>>Reply-To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > > >>>To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > > >>>Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS - Frank
> > > >>>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:53:03 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Frank,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Your email brings back memories about the steps and the
> > > >>>"cardio-vascular" workout they inevitably give you.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I was in Termini during the last week of July, 1999 through
the
> > > >>>first week in August and I was only 36 years old back then
but I
> > > >>>remembered having to stop very frequently just to catch my
breath.
> > > >>>Of course during that time of the year Termini was a
sweltering
> > > >>>sauna.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I was staying at Il Gabbiano hotel which was at least
> > > >>>1/2 mile from the train station. I had to walk along the bay
to get
> >
> > > >>>to the train station area and THEN walk up via Roma with the
99
> > > >>>steps. I would start out fresh
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>from my hotel but by the time I got to the Duomo I
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>would need to go back to the hotel for another shower!
> > > >>>I could rarely find a taxi then until the last day when the
taxi
> > > >>>driver gave me his cell phone number (which I've lost).
> > > >>>
> > > >>>How was the taxi availability this time? Did anyone in the
group
> > > >>>use the taxis?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Ken
> > > >>>
> > > >>>--- "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>Terry's additional description of alternatives to the 99
steps
> > > >>>>meant for me that ANY way up/down was UPPPPP and DOWNNNN!!
Even
> > > >>>>within Alta or Bassa, there seem to be UPPS and DOWWNNS!  No
> > > >>>>escape!  BUT, suffering from the bad knees and arthritis
that Ken
> > > >>>>mentions, I actually found that I came back in better shape,
> > > >>>>knees/arthritis-wise, than when I left.  As Terry pointed
out, the
> >
> > > >>>>real stress seemed to be cardiac/respiratory.
> > > >>>>These steps were the
> > > >>>>ultimate workout!  Another common experience: while we
americani
> > > >>>>struggled, we were usually passed up by quite unstressed
little
> > > >>>>old men and women.  Why not?  They've grown up doing this!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Frank Palmisano
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>From: Ken Geraci [mailto:ken_geraci at yahoo.com]
> > > >>>>Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:48 PM
> > > >>>>To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > > >>>>Subject: Re: [TI] [TI 99 STEPS
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>There are other ways around besides the 99 steps but Termini
does
> > > >>>>have LOTS of uphill and down hill sections. Everyone should
keep
> > > >>>>this in mind. Bad knees and arthritis seem to be prevalent
with
> > > >>>>Termitani so don't wait too late in life to go.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Ken
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>--- LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>A.J.,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>Stick around.  In five years I'll need you to help me up
those 99
> >
> > > >>>>>steps!
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>Diane
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>In a message dated 10/7/2006 4:42:14 P.M. Central Daylight
Time,
> > > >>>>>aj4eyes at sympatico.ca writes:
> > > >>>>>Laura I am sure enjoying all the stories of the trips to
TI, I
> > > >>>>>would have liked to go, but in 5 years for the next trip I
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>will
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> be about 90 and that is a
> > > >>>>>question mark, waitng for cousin Madeleine to get home  on
the
> > > >>>>>15th to hear what she found out, enjoy your memories. A.J.
> > > >>>>>Quattrocchi a  100% Termitani.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
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From pjcaito at frontiernet.net  Fri Oct 13 06:53:59 2006
From: pjcaito at frontiernet.net (Paul  J. Caito)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:53:59 -0400
Subject: [TI] Alitalia
References: <20061013000212.10877.qmail@web60321.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006201c6ee7b$3766a620$6401a8c0@frontiernet.net>

Actually, I flew Alitalia from JFK to Rome to Palermo and really
didn't have any problems with them, except that little annoying habit
of theirs in which they change their gates but fail to tell the
ticketholders where the plane is actually leaving from.   I thought
the seats were very comfortable and the food on the plane was great
(for airplane food, that is).  One interesting note on Alitalia's
food - I signed up for their "low-fat" menu (they had diabetic,
kosher, low salt, etc. to choose from).  What I found out was that if
you sign up for a special menu, they deliver your meal FIRST - before
everyone else!!  Not only that, my meals had fresh fruit and salads
and lean meats while my seat-mates had these oily-looking "things."
Needless to say, everyone was envious of the food that I was getting,
both going over to Italy and coming back.

Paul J. Caito
Rochester, NY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Geraci" <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Alitalia


> I flew Alitalia in 2000 from Rome and I thought they
> were pretty good. Of course I admit to being somewhat
> captivated by the Italian stewardesses wearing their
> little green, red and white outfits and it's possible
> that my critical judgment was distracted! LOL Sorry to
> hear that they've apparently gone downhill.
>
> Ken
>
> --- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Tony:
> >
> > We tried to avoid Alitalia at any cost, having never
> > heard anything good
> > about them.  That's one of the reasons we ended up
> > on Eurofly and would do
> > so again at any time.
> >
> > Elizabeth Budry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> > [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
> > On Behalf Of Tony Massaro
> > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:23 PM
> > To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > Subject: Re: [TI] Our trip to Termini Imerese
> >
> > We flew Alitalia from Chicago to Milan because we
> > worked our way down to
> > Termini. I was very dissappointed. the seats were
> > uncomfortable though it
> > was a 767 and the main movie screen did not work
> > both on the way to and from
> > italy. And as i found several times, service didn't
> > come with a smile.
> >
> > --
> > Tony Massaro
> > acm605 at comcast.net
> >
> >  -------------- Original message
> > ----------------------
> > From: judy.agostino at 295.ca
> > > >
> > >   Hi:
> > >     I have enjoyed reading about the 99 steps and
> > other adventures, but
> > > did anyone visit the Museum in Termini.  We
> > visited it a few years
> > > ago, and found it very interesting.
> > >     Agostino Galioto.
> > >
> > >  What a great trip.  We flew Eurofly from JFK
> > directly into Palermo and
> > > > would
> > > > highly recommend it.  Individual screens on the
> > back of all seats with
> > > > movies and the trip schedule.
> > > >
> > > > TI was wonderful including the natural
> > Stairmaster (the 99 steps).  The
> > > > gelato was wonderful.  The cherry amaretto was
> > super.  The pizza was
> > also
> > > > very good.  The cheese nazi (the head waiter in
> > white jacket) was very
> > > > funny.  He wouldn't allow anyone to have cheese
> > on the pasta with fish.
> > > > The
> > > > chef absolutely forbade it, he said.  The hotel
> > was very nice and the
> > > > respite at Trabia was excellent.  What a view.
> > > >
> > > > In TI, I had a picture and address of my g-uncle
> > Salvatore's house on
> > > > Stesicoro.  Madeleine helped us one day but we
> > couldn't find it.  We
> > > > persisted on another day and found it in Basso,
> > matching the picture to
> > > > the
> > > > present day house.  The bottom of the house was
> > a borzellerio (sp) a
> > > > leather
> > > > shop that made purses.  There was an old couple
> > in there and Gary
> > prodded
> > > > me
> > > > to talk to them.  At first I resisted (not
> > knowing proficient Italian)
> > but
> > > > finally I talked to them, explaining my zio
> > Salvatore Sansone lived
> > there
> > > > previously, showed them the picture and the lady
> > recognized Signore
> > > > Sansone
> > > > and his wife Rosina.  Turns out they lived next
> > door when they were very
> > > > young (they are probably now mid 80's).  She
> > showed the picture to her
> > > > husband but he had problems with his vision and
> > it didn't register with
> > > > him
> > > > but he did remember them.  I also found my
> > grandfather's house on
> > Palazzo
> > > > Cirullo. A few of the houses there were
> > abandoned.
> > > >
> > > > My initial impression of TI?  I absolutely loved
> > it and will definitely
> > go
> > > > back, next time also going to Terrasini where my
> > paternal g-grandparents
> > > > lived.  That is about 20 miles west of Palermo
> > so the train will be no
> > > > problem.  Speaking of Trenitalia, the trains are
> > super.  What a great
> > way
> > > > to
> > > > traverse the island.
> > > >
> > > > And last but not least, what a great bunch of
> > people on the trip.  It is
> > > > so
> > > > nice to now have a face to match the lister, and
> > we will definitely be
> > at
> > > > the reunion in Rochester, NY next year.
> > > >
> > > > Madeleine Gill was such a wonderful help to us
> > and her cousins, John and
> > > > Mary Badali, are such lovely people. We also met
> > Madeline's cousin
> > Claudio
> > > > who was in the process of selling his ancestral
> > home in TI because he
> > > > lives
> > > > in England.  What a great experience it was for
> > us.
> > > >
> > > > Elizabeth Budry
> > > > ERBudry at sc.rr.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> >
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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From pjcaito at frontiernet.net  Fri Oct 13 07:14:19 2006
From: pjcaito at frontiernet.net (Paul  J. Caito)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:14:19 -0400
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
References: <135790bb0610121159t2d55df03r290254006da16b78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008401c6ee7e$0e9566c0$6401a8c0@frontiernet.net>

I have written a small synopsis of the Ardizzone Caito surname that I
did for my siblings along with our family tree and I will send you a
copy of it off-list.  It's about three pages and can be opened in
Microsoft Word.  Ardizzone is of Germanic origin. If anyone else would
like a copy I would be glad to send it to you if you send me your
e-mail address.

Paul J. Caito
Rochester, NY

----- Original Message -----
From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:59 PM
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito


> Hi all,
> I have found the surname Ardizzone-Caito in my family tree. Does
> anyone know the history of this hyphenated name?
> Franciene McDonald
> --
> Meet my amazing Italian American family: go to
http://www.iannarino.us.
>
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From italiancousin at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 13 07:38:28 2006
From: italiancousin at yahoo.com (Roseann Lemp)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:38:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Message saving problem
In-Reply-To: <029b01c6d9b7$0e2ab400$6400a8c0@Rosalie>
Message-ID: <20061013043828.86109.qmail@web39514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have aol as my primary service and I have no problem
saving mail..

Roseann

--- Rosalie <mygirl at ctc.net> wrote:

> No I don't have that with CTC my isp and I use
> outlook express, which is 
> another story.  My brother uses netzero and I see
> what your talking about. 
> I think AOL does the same thing as netzero.
> Rosalie Amison
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Phil Cutrara" <philcutrara1 at netzero.net>
> To: <Terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:49 AM
> Subject: [TI] Message saving problem
> 
> 
> > NetZero does not allow me to save messages.
> >
> > It says it has "a better E-mail service now..."
> >
> > I have to 'cut-and-paste' to save messages into
> Word.
> >
> > I tried their fix that says to disable security
> when on NetZero; but
> > that does not sound like a good idea.
> >
> > When I try to save a message it saves the list of
> messages, not the
> > message.
> >
> > Anyone else have this problem with their E-mail?
> 
> 
> 
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Fri Oct 13 06:27:23 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:27:23 -0400
Subject: [TI] visitors
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.71$.001d01c6ee77$80ae3fe0$479a50ce@DJZBSK81>

I hope many of you can have family reunions.  Diane Partain,  her Mother 
Sarah Cacicia Amato, and two nieces came to visit from Portland Oregon.
We had a dinner in a restaurant and 28 showed up.  The restaurant did not 
think they could fit another person in our party room around the table.   We 
had fun.
My Aunt Marie 90 traveled from Columbus Ohio and Sarah is 91.  They said 
they were catching up!  They saw each other 2 times in their lifetime.  They 
cried when they parted.  It was a happy time and a sad time.  I met Diane 
for the first time.
Tony and Ken they are your distant cousins.  If you travel near Washington 
and Oregon you must meet her.
Ann





From LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com  Fri Oct 13 06:23:09 2006
From: LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com (LadyOfSpain1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:23:09 EDT
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
Message-ID: <c3b.513e13b.3260609d@aol.com>

Larie,
 
You have to be referring to Holt Cemetery on General Diaz St. in New  
Orleans.  It's just a shame how the city has let it go down again.   About 15 years 
ago there was a movement to clean it up, and they did but, I  guess it has gone 
down again.  I'm sorry to hear that.  
 
Diane
 
In a message dated 10/12/2006 10:14:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
ltedesco26 at yahoo.com writes:

I love looking at the  pictures which I have looked
at a few times.  I noticed especially, the  poor
section of the cemetery.  It is heartbreaking to see
that.   Can't tell who is buried there and not kept up.
Unfortunately, amongst all  the nice cemeteries we
have here we do have a cemetery like that,  probably
even worse.  It looks like a junk yard because the
families  of the deceased trys to mark off the space of
their love one with whatever  they can find, wood,
bricks, and just all kinds of stuff over the body  that
no one else will be buried there, and some of the
graves have names  of the persons on some of that
trash.  They are buried in the ground.  When I first
saw it I could not believe my eyes.  I don't  remember
the name right now.  The potter's field here looks ok,
it is  just grass that is mowed fairly often.  
When  looking at that part of the cemetery in
Termini makes me wonder if any of my  family is buried
there. 

Larie 

--- "Frank Sr."  <fpalmis at comcast.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> I've put my  pics into a slide show that you can view
> at
>  http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you
> are using a  dial-up
> connection.
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> Frank  Palmisano
> 
> 
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From jlip37 at verizon.net  Fri Oct 13 16:03:03 2006
From: jlip37 at verizon.net (Joan Petrulis)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:03:03 -0500
Subject: [TI] Alitalia
References: <20061013011613.90430.qmail@web35412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005401c6eec7$ebd3b2a0$4001a8c0@Gonzo>

I thought the Rome airport was a terrible mess. Not enough seats for people 
waiting for flights, plus they were constantly changing the take off gates 
and sending people off at the last minute. The Alitalia transfer desk was 
easy to find but on the way home the American Airlines transfer desk was a 
big mystery until I asked at a couple other desks and found out that you 
just check in at the gate.

There was no one at the check-in gate until an hour before the flight. 
Unfortunately you can't buy anything in the duty free shop (like last minute 
souvenirs) until you check in so there was nothing to do but eat and read. 
American was 1 1/2 hours late taking off from Rome and we missed our next 
flight. But we had it easy compared to those who ended up staying overnight 
in the airport.

The food was excellent on American, which amazed me. They had video 
problems, however, the movies were not worth watching anyway. Coping with an 
unfamiliar airport is very stressful - but the trip was worth it.

Joan P.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry Skibiski" <tskibiski at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Alitalia


> Alitalia was the airline that gave me the wrong
> information at the Rome airport twice, causing me to
> miss my flight.  Then when I finally got to the right
> terminal, there was no one at the check-in gate, even
> though there was almost an hour before the flight took
> off.  I will avoid them in the future like old soggy
> cannoli.
>
> Terry
>
> --- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Tony:
>>
>> We tried to avoid Alitalia at any cost, having never
>> heard anything good
>> about them.  That's one of the reasons we ended up
>> on Eurofly and would do
>> so again at any time.
>>
>> Elizabeth Budry
>
>
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From jlip37 at verizon.net  Fri Oct 13 16:43:31 2006
From: jlip37 at verizon.net (Joan Petrulis)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:43:31 -0500
Subject: [TI] A few more questions for i
	nostri	viaggiatori(ourtravellers)!
References: <000001c6ed98$13991810$6501a8c0@Office>
	<anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.84$.001b01c6ee10$c4b08cf0$549a50ce@DJZBSK81>
Message-ID: <019e01c6eecd$92f8c0c0$4001a8c0@Gonzo>

Walking, even up and down steps, would be faster and safer than trying to 
negotiate the traffic in Termini. Also you have to take so many one way 
streets to get to a place just a few blocks away, forget it! A rental car is 
a good idea if you are familiar with the streets and know exactly where you 
want to go.

Then there is the question of parking. My native friends who picked us up to 
go shopping just leave their car running in the street while they go in to 
shop. They just wait until someone objects so strenuously they have to run 
out and move.

Joan P.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "anniegoe" <anniegoe at fyi.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] A few more questions for i nostri 
viaggiatori(ourtravellers)!


> Question, why didn't a few pitch in a rent a car for things like this?
> Going up, coming down, stores, churches.  Anyone who had some  errand 
> could
> have the car to use.  Not to travel all around, just for this local 
> getting
> to get around.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elizabeth Budry" <erbudry at sc.rr.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] A few more questions for i nostri
> viaggiatori(ourtravellers)!
>
>
>> Ken:
>>
>> For the most part, I understood a good part of what the locals said but
>> the
>> problem herein is that I don't speak but a few phrases and/or words.  My
>> husband said he was surprised that we did as well as we did but he 
>> figured
>> it was because I persisted in trying to make myself understood.
>>
>> In Termini at the train station, the machine stamps date and time on the
>> train tickets; in Palermo, the machine just makes a weird little partial
>> hole in the ticket.  We did not know the 5 pm train from Palermo to
>> Termini
>> did not run on "festivi" days and guess what?  Sunday was a festivi day.
>> The gentleman in the information booth at the Palermo station did not
>> understand one lick of English but the woman had a better understanding.
>> She told us to take the Milan overnight and it stopped in Termini.  The
>> conductor told us to use the Primo Due cars (first or second) of about 25
>> cars.  I asked where we could "stampa" the tickets.  No one understood me
>> (no wonder) but when I motioned for stamping the ticket, they understood.
>> Then I was worried about the weird little hole in the ticket.  The
>> conductor
>> told me he would scrivere the ticket when he collected them.
>>
>> And God Bless Madeleine.  She helped us with the language barrier a whole
>> lot.  She was a tremendous help.  The local people were lovely and
>> demonstrated a willingness to help us Americani.  Their directions were
>> superb (even if we didn't understand them).  Between their gestures,
>> pointing, it was great.
>>
>> Elizabeth Budry
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
>> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Ken 
>> Geraci
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:01 AM
>> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> Subject: Re: [TI] A few more questions for i nostri viaggiatori
>> (ourtravellers)!
>>
>> I re-read Laura's, Sheryl's, Elizabeth's and Joan's
>> accounts and I'm sorry I didn't mention them also as
>> great writers in my last email as their stories were
>> very good as well. And I'm sure that I've still left
>> off a few people. Mi dispiace!
>>
>> I think many of us particularly enjoy reading about
>> the various people and characters that you met in
>> Sicily. Tell us about people - either family members
>> or clerks, strangers or anyone you met there. And how
>> about the parks? And the plaza in front of the duomo.
>> Do young people still congregate there in the evenings
>> and on weekends? And nobody has mentioned the scooters
>> and motorcycles. Are they still there?
>>
>> How did everyone do with the language? What was the
>> biggest challenge, speaking Italian or understanding
>> the Italian that was spoken to you? For me, I had
>> studied Italian so forming the sentences was not too
>> hard. However, UNDERSTANDING the Italian that was
>> being spoken to me was the HARD part. And often,
>> people lapse into true Sicilian for a word or phrase
>> and this threw me for a loop. Was anyone in the group
>> able to speak in true Sicilian? Maybe Madeleine?
>>
>> Tell us more!
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> --- Sheryl Hartnett <sah71052 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My trip started out sitting in the plane for 5 hours
>>> AT THE GATE in St. Louis.  They let us off then for
>>> a
>>> while and we reboarded.
>>
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From erbudry at sc.rr.com  Fri Oct 13 21:27:11 2006
From: erbudry at sc.rr.com (Elizabeth Budry)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:27:11 -0400
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
In-Reply-To: <008401c6ee7e$0e9566c0$6401a8c0@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <000601c6eef5$3522a920$6501a8c0@Office>

Paul:

Please send me a copy of your surname synopsis.  I have Caito in my extended
family.

Elizabeth Budry
erbudry at sc.rr.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Paul J.
Caito
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:14 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito

I have written a small synopsis of the Ardizzone Caito surname that I
did for my siblings along with our family tree and I will send you a
copy of it off-list.  It's about three pages and can be opened in
Microsoft Word.  Ardizzone is of Germanic origin. If anyone else would
like a copy I would be glad to send it to you if you send me your
e-mail address.

Paul J. Caito
Rochester, NY

----- Original Message -----
From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:59 PM
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito


> Hi all,
> I have found the surname Ardizzone-Caito in my family tree. Does
> anyone know the history of this hyphenated name?
> Franciene McDonald
> --
> Meet my amazing Italian American family: go to
http://www.iannarino.us.
>
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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 14 02:12:54 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:12:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Madeleine  Gill
In-Reply-To: <BAYC1-PASMTP011E8408E199389D47B434840A0@CEZ.ICE>
Message-ID: <20061013231254.64463.qmail@web60315.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks for this update, AJ! I knew she was staying a
little longer in Sicily but I didn't know if she was
back yet. 

Ken Geraci

--- "A. J. Quattrocchi" <aj4eyes at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Madeleine got home early this afternoon, and she
> phoned us to give us some info. she said she had a
> lot of hits and about 330 messages to check on after
> she unpacked and got some rest. A.J. Quattrocchi
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Terry Skibiski" <tskibiski at yahoo.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] Family residences
> 
> 
> > I don't know about homes in Termini, but when I
> > visited family in Torrice, they showed me the
> > nine-story house Joyce's great grandparents lived
> in
> > (commonly known as "the castle"), and after they
> had
> > eight children, they moved.  The "new house" is
> now
> > three hundred years old, and the family still
> lives
> > there.  Actually, the original house has now been
> > divided into four separate houses, each three
> stories
> > tall, where two or three related families reside. 
> In
> > the old days the women all cooked in one large,
> > central kitchen, and then delivered the food in
> > baskets on their heads to the men working in the
> > fields.  They still use the kitchen, cooking the
> pasta
> > in a large cauldron.  They still have the
> vineyards, 
> > using the old wine press to make their own wine. 
> They
> > raise milk cows and make their own prosciutto. 
> What
> > we call "extended family" they simply call
> "family". 
> > No extension or marriage is too far to remove you
> from
> > the relationship.  I was not even related to these
> > people, since most of them are my wife's third
> > cousins, but I was treated like royalty, and the
> old
> > people were in tears when I left, insisting that I
> > spend the week.  I promised to return in a couple
> > years with Joyce and stay with them.  By then my
> > Italian should be a little better.
> > 
> > Terry
> > 
> > --- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Just a thought:  How old are the residences that
> we
> > > saw in Termini?  I saw
> > > the house where my grandfather was born and that
> was
> > > in 1887.  Were they
> > > kept in the family and handed down?  It seems
> like
> > > his family had a
> > > different residence each time a baby was born,
> maybe
> > > just down the street or
> > > across the street.  They probably never owned
> their
> > > own house.
> > > 
> > > Second question:  Where is the division between
> > > Termini Alta and Termini
> > > Basso?  When I started looking for my
> grandfather's
> > > family, someone in the
> > > family told me he was from Alta because he was a
> > > farmer and my other
> > > g-grandfather was a fisherman because he lived
> in
> > > Basso.  Turns out he
> > > didn't live in Alta but lived in Basso.  
> > > 
> > > Third question:  My g-grandfather was a
> contadino,
> > > farm worker, but are
> > > there any records of any sort to show me where
> he
> > > worked or were they kind
> > > of like today's migrant workers, just eeking out
> a
> > > living day to day?  If
> > > that is the case, no wonder my grandpa never
> wanted
> > > to go back to Termini.
> > > Probably not too many happy memories there.  
> > > 
> > > I know these are a lot of questions but actually
> > > seeing Termini in person
> > > has raised many, many questions.
> > > 
> > > Elizabeth Budry 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TerminiImerese mailing list
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> > >
> >
>
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> > > 
> > 
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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 14 02:20:23 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:20:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] visitors
In-Reply-To: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.71$.001d01c6ee77$80ae3fe0$479a50ce@DJZBSK81>
Message-ID: <20061013232023.55745.qmail@web60322.mail.yahoo.com>

Cousin Ann,

I had heard about Diane and the other relatives coming
and I almost entertained the idea to try to run up
there and join everyone but it wasn't in the cards.
However, I hope to be able to meet Diane and the
others sometime soon. I still need to catch up and
visit you, yourself, after saying that I'm going to do
it for over 3 years. 

My youngest brother, Marc, is a fanatical Steelers fan
and he drives to Pittsburgh (from Austin!!)sometimes
to see their games. If he's going this year maybe I'll
ride with him. Trouble is he goes straight to the
Steeler's game and then he rushes back through ten
states to be back at work on Monday! (yes, my parent's
think he's nuts!)

Ken

--- anniegoe <anniegoe at fyi.net> wrote:

> I hope many of you can have family reunions.  Diane
> Partain,  her Mother 
> Sarah Cacicia Amato, and two nieces came to visit
> from Portland Oregon.
> We had a dinner in a restaurant and 28 showed up. 
> The restaurant did not 
> think they could fit another person in our party
> room around the table.   We 
> had fun.
> My Aunt Marie 90 traveled from Columbus Ohio and
> Sarah is 91.  They said 
> they were catching up!  They saw each other 2 times
> in their lifetime.  They 
> cried when they parted.  It was a happy time and a
> sad time.  I met Diane 
> for the first time.
> Tony and Ken they are your distant cousins.  If you
> travel near Washington 
> and Oregon you must meet her.
> Ann
> 
> 
> 
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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 14 02:27:16 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:27:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
In-Reply-To: <008401c6ee7e$0e9566c0$6401a8c0@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <20061013232716.51837.qmail@web60314.mail.yahoo.com>

Paul,

This suggestion is probably a "long-shot" but
nevertheless I thought I'd mention it:

I was browsing the "Sephardim.com" website looking at
Italian-Jewish names and saw a few that were sort of
close to Ardizzone... any chance it might be related
or are you fairly certain of the Germanic origin of
Ardizzone? Here are some surnames:

Ardit, Arditi de Borzutzky, Arditi de Corry, 
Arditi de Schatz, Arditi Y Corry, Arditi, Arditti 

http://www.sephardim.com/namelist.shtml?mode=form&from=A&to=A&Search=Search

They're not real close but nevertheless, there is some
similarity.

Ken Geraci



--- "Paul  J. Caito" <pjcaito at frontiernet.net> wrote:

> I have written a small synopsis of the Ardizzone
> Caito surname that I
> did for my siblings along with our family tree and I
> will send you a
> copy of it off-list.  It's about three pages and can
> be opened in
> Microsoft Word.  Ardizzone is of Germanic origin. If
> anyone else would
> like a copy I would be glad to send it to you if you
> send me your
> e-mail address.
> 
> Paul J. Caito
> Rochester, NY
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
> To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:59 PM
> Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
> 
> 
> > Hi all,
> > I have found the surname Ardizzone-Caito in my
> family tree. Does
> > anyone know the history of this hyphenated name?
> > Franciene McDonald
> > --
> > Meet my amazing Italian American family: go to
> http://www.iannarino.us.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TerminiImerese mailing list
> > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >
>
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofita
> ly.org
> >
> 
> 
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From italiancousin at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 14 04:00:29 2006
From: italiancousin at yahoo.com (Roseann Lemp)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:00:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] DATABASE - CORRECTIONS, UPDATES, ETC
In-Reply-To: <45158770.1010605@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <20061014010029.97313.qmail@web39501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sorry I am VERY far behind in my mail..
I would like to make a comment on Laura's statement.

I am NOT real new to this group. I am NOT very good
with computers.
What I am trying to say is THANK YOU IN A PUBLIC WAY
TO LAURA AND ALL OF HER HELPERS.

Even tho I have not reaped any benefits ,as yet,from
the database I appreciate all of the work to those
that have made it availabe to all of us.

How anyone could not is beyond me.

I am confident that the work being done is from the
heart and is for all of us to benefit from.

I feel sorry for anyone that cannot see and appreciate
these folks for all of their work..

THANK YOU,
Roseann Longo Lemp


--- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:

> I really don't have the time to deal with this now
> but evidentally it has become a problem that needs
> to be dealt with before I leave.
> 
> I really don't appreciate the remarks that were made
> recently by several people.  These remarks are
> coming from people have done nothing to help get
> this database online but instead have sat in the
> background and reaped the benefits of what  about
> 15-20 people have done to help make it easier for
> everyone to see the information.  None of these
> people have been paid for doing what they are doing
> and Rose Amison has spent plenty on filming the
> films so we could work faster and get more done so
> that Kim and I don't have to spend countless
> evenings at the library trying to verify these
> documents and instead we can work from home when it
> is convenient for us.  And convenience for me is
> almost constant here and I bend over backwards to
> help people make connections and to answer their
> questions.
> 
> It is still going to take another 3 to 4 years to
> complete the database.  And that does not include
> going back and doing all of the allegati films as
> well to get them entered as well.
> 
> 1.  We have never professed that the database is
> free of mistaks. It is NOT perfect.........but I
> will say that we do our best at reading these
> documents.  Some of them are almost impossible to
> read - badly faded, badly damaged.  The final
> definitive answer comes once I have entered the
> document into FTM and found how it fits within the
> whole file.  But this takes a long time to enter all
> of these documents into FTM and I have been
> concentrating more on getting the documents into the
> database instead of worrying so much about the FTM
> file.
> 
> 2.  Kim and I work hard at trying to verify the
> documents.  We are not perfect but we try to do our
> best to make it the best it can be.
> 
> 3.  I have always corrected problems with documents
> if someone brings them to my attention.  The
> correction will not show in the database until the
> next upload.  Right now, it takes me over 2 hours to
> get the upload into the database online so it is far
> easier to upload any corrections with the next
> upload of documents rather than every time a
> correction is found.
> 
> 4.  If someone tells me they are questioning a
> document, I pull the document and verify it against
> what they are telling me.  If I don't agree, I tell
> them why I don't agree with it.  If the person is
> right, I make the correction so it will appear in
> the next upload
> 
> 5.  And finally...........if you find something you
> think needs correction, SEND AN EMAIL DIRECTLY TO
> ME.  Tell me the exact document with dates, names,
> type of document, etc and what you think is
> incorrect so that I can pull the document to verify
> it again.
> 
> 
> 
> I spend more time on this project than anyone else -
> over 60 hours per week plus I work full time.  I
> haven't reaped one red cent of profit yet on the
> database.  It is still running in the red and will
> for quite some time.  Without the additional
> printing of images for people and the research
> projects I have done, I would be out thousands of
> dollars a year.
> 
> Also, remember, if you find a document in the
> database and you need it, I can print and send it to
> you.  The cost is only 50 cents per
> page........still a lot cheaper than ordering the
> film, waiting for the film to come in, taking the
> time to search to find the record on the film and
> then the cost of printing it out.  And remember, by
> ordering the documents directly from me, you can get
> them faster than ordering the film yourself and it
> also helps to keep the website online.  The 50 cents
> per page just covers the cost of printing the page
> and mailing it to you.  It doesn't include the time
> it takes me to pull the document (if it is digitally
> indexed) and to crop the document and resize it for
> printing.  If I have to find the document on the
> film because it has not been digitally indexed, it
> takes longer.
> 
> REMEMBER:  The database is only a TOOL to point you
> in the right direction to find a document you want
> or need.  IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE used in place of
> obtaining a copy of the document.  The KEY WORD here
> is that you should never take anything for granted
> and should obtain a copy of the document to verify
> the information yourself.  If you only take what is
> in the database, you are only doing half the job
> because you haven't documented it fully by obtaining
> the document for verification.
> 
> 
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From pjcaito at frontiernet.net  Sat Oct 14 05:35:48 2006
From: pjcaito at frontiernet.net (Paul  J. Caito)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:35:48 -0400
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
References: <20061013232716.51837.qmail@web60314.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <014f01c6ef39$75e8c040$6401a8c0@frontiernet.net>

One history lists the name Ardizzone as Germanic, but does note that
it is a version of "son of Arditio," so I'm sure there has to be some
sort of tie-in.

Paul

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Geraci" <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito


> Paul,
>
> This suggestion is probably a "long-shot" but
> nevertheless I thought I'd mention it:
>
> I was browsing the "Sephardim.com" website looking at
> Italian-Jewish names and saw a few that were sort of
> close to Ardizzone... any chance it might be related
> or are you fairly certain of the Germanic origin of
> Ardizzone? Here are some surnames:
>
> Ardit, Arditi de Borzutzky, Arditi de Corry,
> Arditi de Schatz, Arditi Y Corry, Arditi, Arditti
>
>
http://www.sephardim.com/namelist.shtml?mode=form&from=A&to=A&Search=S
earch
>
> They're not real close but nevertheless, there is some
> similarity.
>
> Ken Geraci
>
>
>
> --- "Paul  J. Caito" <pjcaito at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> > I have written a small synopsis of the Ardizzone
> > Caito surname that I
> > did for my siblings along with our family tree and I
> > will send you a
> > copy of it off-list.  It's about three pages and can
> > be opened in
> > Microsoft Word.  Ardizzone is of Germanic origin. If
> > anyone else would
> > like a copy I would be glad to send it to you if you
> > send me your
> > e-mail address.
> >
> > Paul J. Caito
> > Rochester, NY
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
> > To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:59 PM
> > Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
> >
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > > I have found the surname Ardizzone-Caito in my
> > family tree. Does
> > > anyone know the history of this hyphenated name?
> > > Franciene McDonald
> > > --
> > > Meet my amazing Italian American family: go to
> > http://www.iannarino.us.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TerminiImerese mailing list
> > > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > >
> >
>
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofita
> > ly.org
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TerminiImerese mailing list
> > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >
>
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> >
>
>
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From pjcaito at frontiernet.net  Sat Oct 14 05:48:29 2006
From: pjcaito at frontiernet.net (Paul  J. Caito)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:48:29 -0400
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
References: <135790bb0610121159t2d55df03r290254006da16b78@mail.gmail.com>
	<008401c6ee7e$0e9566c0$6401a8c0@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <017b01c6ef3b$3b0aa4a0$6401a8c0@frontiernet.net>

Dear folks,

I had nearly fifteen people ask for my Ardizzone Caito history and I
think I got it out to everyone.  Unfortunately, I accidentally sent
one or two of the requests through the Mailing List which bounced them
out (because you can't send attachments through the list).  I THINK I
caught all the ones that I accidentally sent through the List and
resent them directly to the individual off-List.  However, if you
didn't receive your requested copy, could you please send me another
request and I will be sure to send it off-List so that you receive it.

Paul

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul J. Caito" <pjcaito at frontiernet.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito


> I have written a small synopsis of the Ardizzone Caito surname that
I
> did for my siblings along with our family tree and I will send you a
> copy of it off-list.  It's about three pages and can be opened in
> Microsoft Word.  Ardizzone is of Germanic origin. If anyone else
would
> like a copy I would be glad to send it to you if you send me your
> e-mail address.
>
> Paul J. Caito
> Rochester, NY
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
> To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:59 PM
> Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
>
>
> > Hi all,
> > I have found the surname Ardizzone-Caito in my family tree. Does
> > anyone know the history of this hyphenated name?
> > Franciene McDonald
> > --
> > Meet my amazing Italian American family: go to
> http://www.iannarino.us.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TerminiImerese mailing list
> > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >
>
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofita
> ly.org
> >
>
>
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>
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Sat Oct 14 18:50:39 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:50:39 -0500
Subject: [TI] More Pictures sections added to website and updates to other
 sections of pictures
Message-ID: <4531074F.2050709@madisontelco.com>

I have added more pictures and new sections to the photos from the 
reunion.  Still have lots more to add.

I still need pictures of meeting family and ancestral homes for that 
section and any street name pictures.

http://www.termini-imerese.org/Reunion/2006TI/Reunion2006.htm

NEW SECTIONS ADDED:
Amphitheatre
Market
Flea Market
Nightlife in Piazza del Duomo
Statues and Fountains
Stato Civile
Food, Food and More Food!
Farming
Miscellaneous Sites
Cars
Priests of the Duomo

MORE PICTURES ADDED TO THESE SECTIONS:
Rooftop Party after Gala Dinner




From gentracer at gentracer.com  Sat Oct 14 18:40:54 2006
From: gentracer at gentracer.com (Kathy Kirkpatrick)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:40:54 -0600
Subject: [TI] DATABASE - CORRECTIONS, UPDATES, ETC
References: <20061014010029.97313.qmail@web39501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000501c6efa9$46130180$6900a8c0@hsd1.ut.comcast.net>

Roseann and all,

I haven't commented on this topic before but feel the need to add my own two
cents.

Termini really was a large place (still is despite so many folks moving to
America around the turn of the century). And, many folks came from other
locations and only stayed in Termini a generation or so before leaving for
America. So, lots of information is not yet on the database because of the
enormous numbers of people involved. I do a lot of research in the
microfilmed records and check the database to shorten the search when
possible. But most of the time I don't find what I want in the database (or
not enough of what I want), especially in the more recent (larger
population) records.

This database and the list are an enormous contribution to genealogy in this
town and I don't know of another town with such an organized effort and so
many positive results. As Laura (and many others) have said, you need to get
into the original records to make real progress in your searching. The
database will open doors for many folks, but most need to start the search
in the microfilms before reaping the benefits of the database further back
in time. Even then, database entries contain some clerical errors (from when
the records were originally created) and the records themselves contain
additional details that are invaluable in continuing the search.

More thanks to Laura and many more who provide this service for all of us!

Kathy Kirkpatrick
GenTracer
PO Box 11955
Salt Lake City, UT 84147
801 755 6991
www.gentracer.com
gentracer at gentracer.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roseann Lemp" <italiancousin at yahoo.com>
To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] DATABASE - CORRECTIONS, UPDATES, ETC


> Sorry I am VERY far behind in my mail..
> I would like to make a comment on Laura's statement.
>
> I am NOT real new to this group. I am NOT very good
> with computers.
> What I am trying to say is THANK YOU IN A PUBLIC WAY
> TO LAURA AND ALL OF HER HELPERS.
>
> Even tho I have not reaped any benefits ,as yet,from
> the database I appreciate all of the work to those
> that have made it availabe to all of us.
>
> How anyone could not is beyond me.
>
> I am confident that the work being done is from the
> heart and is for all of us to benefit from.
>
> I feel sorry for anyone that cannot see and appreciate
> these folks for all of their work..
>
> THANK YOU,
> Roseann Longo Lemp
>
>
> --- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:
>
> > I really don't have the time to deal with this now
> > but evidentally it has become a problem that needs
> > to be dealt with before I leave.
> >
> > I really don't appreciate the remarks that were made
> > recently by several people.  These remarks are
> > coming from people have done nothing to help get
> > this database online but instead have sat in the
> > background and reaped the benefits of what  about
> > 15-20 people have done to help make it easier for
> > everyone to see the information.  None of these
> > people have been paid for doing what they are doing
> > and Rose Amison has spent plenty on filming the
> > films so we could work faster and get more done so
> > that Kim and I don't have to spend countless
> > evenings at the library trying to verify these
> > documents and instead we can work from home when it
> > is convenient for us.  And convenience for me is
> > almost constant here and I bend over backwards to
> > help people make connections and to answer their
> > questions.
> >
> > It is still going to take another 3 to 4 years to
> > complete the database.  And that does not include
> > going back and doing all of the allegati films as
> > well to get them entered as well.
> >
> > 1.  We have never professed that the database is
> > free of mistaks. It is NOT perfect.........but I
> > will say that we do our best at reading these
> > documents.  Some of them are almost impossible to
> > read - badly faded, badly damaged.  The final
> > definitive answer comes once I have entered the
> > document into FTM and found how it fits within the
> > whole file.  But this takes a long time to enter all
> > of these documents into FTM and I have been
> > concentrating more on getting the documents into the
> > database instead of worrying so much about the FTM
> > file.
> >
> > 2.  Kim and I work hard at trying to verify the
> > documents.  We are not perfect but we try to do our
> > best to make it the best it can be.
> >
> > 3.  I have always corrected problems with documents
> > if someone brings them to my attention.  The
> > correction will not show in the database until the
> > next upload.  Right now, it takes me over 2 hours to
> > get the upload into the database online so it is far
> > easier to upload any corrections with the next
> > upload of documents rather than every time a
> > correction is found.
> >
> > 4.  If someone tells me they are questioning a
> > document, I pull the document and verify it against
> > what they are telling me.  If I don't agree, I tell
> > them why I don't agree with it.  If the person is
> > right, I make the correction so it will appear in
> > the next upload
> >
> > 5.  And finally...........if you find something you
> > think needs correction, SEND AN EMAIL DIRECTLY TO
> > ME.  Tell me the exact document with dates, names,
> > type of document, etc and what you think is
> > incorrect so that I can pull the document to verify
> > it again.
> >
> >
> >
> > I spend more time on this project than anyone else -
> > over 60 hours per week plus I work full time.  I
> > haven't reaped one red cent of profit yet on the
> > database.  It is still running in the red and will
> > for quite some time.  Without the additional
> > printing of images for people and the research
> > projects I have done, I would be out thousands of
> > dollars a year.
> >
> > Also, remember, if you find a document in the
> > database and you need it, I can print and send it to
> > you.  The cost is only 50 cents per
> > page........still a lot cheaper than ordering the
> > film, waiting for the film to come in, taking the
> > time to search to find the record on the film and
> > then the cost of printing it out.  And remember, by
> > ordering the documents directly from me, you can get
> > them faster than ordering the film yourself and it
> > also helps to keep the website online.  The 50 cents
> > per page just covers the cost of printing the page
> > and mailing it to you.  It doesn't include the time
> > it takes me to pull the document (if it is digitally
> > indexed) and to crop the document and resize it for
> > printing.  If I have to find the document on the
> > film because it has not been digitally indexed, it
> > takes longer.
> >
> > REMEMBER:  The database is only a TOOL to point you
> > in the right direction to find a document you want
> > or need.  IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE used in place of
> > obtaining a copy of the document.  The KEY WORD here
> > is that you should never take anything for granted
> > and should obtain a copy of the document to verify
> > the information yourself.  If you only take what is
> > in the database, you are only doing half the job
> > because you haven't documented it fully by obtaining
> > the document for verification.
> >
> >
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From pwbova at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 14 19:22:28 2006
From: pwbova at sbcglobal.net (Pwb Bova)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:22:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
Message-ID: <20061014162228.82168.qmail@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



Hi,

    After reading all the emails, I am envious of those who
traveled to Sicilia. Everyone seems to have had a good time
visiting and sightseeing.  
    I am still trying to locate Mercurio cousins who lived
in the Chicago area.  I have a new piece of information
that might be a clue to someone out there.  My
grandfather's sister, Antonina Bova, married Giuseppe
Mercurio on Sept. 16, 1901.  Giuseppe's parents were
Gaetano Mercurio and Maria D'Attilo.  I know that they came
to America after the marriage.  They had three boys who
were probably born between 1902 and 1915.  Does this ring
any bells out there?

Thanks,

Phil Bova



From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Sat Oct 14 19:34:01 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:34:01 -0500
Subject: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
In-Reply-To: <20061014162228.82168.qmail@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20061014162228.82168.qmail@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45311179.7030004@madisontelco.com>

Phil,

I cannot help you with finding the ones from Chicago but I would like to 
know how this ties to your tree.

Maria D'Attilo that you mention below is the daughter of my greatx3 
grandmother from her second marriage to Antonino D'Attilo after the 
death of her first husband Saverio Sansone from cholera in 1837

Pwb Bova wrote:

>Hi,
>
>    After reading all the emails, I am envious of those who
>traveled to Sicilia. Everyone seems to have had a good time
>visiting and sightseeing.  
>    I am still trying to locate Mercurio cousins who lived
>in the Chicago area.  I have a new piece of information
>that might be a clue to someone out there.  My
>grandfather's sister, Antonina Bova, married Giuseppe
>Mercurio on Sept. 16, 1901.  Giuseppe's parents were
>Gaetano Mercurio and Maria D'Attilo.  I know that they came
>to America after the marriage.  They had three boys who
>were probably born between 1902 and 1915.  Does this ring
>any bells out there?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Phil Bova
>
>_______________________________________________
>TerminiImerese mailing list
>TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>
>
>
>  
>



From nellie at woh.rr.com  Sat Oct 14 20:42:15 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:42:15 -0400
Subject: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
References: <20061014162228.82168.qmail@web81604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701c6efb8$170d0cf0$6601a8c0@momshp>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pwb Bova" <pwbova at sbcglobal.net>
To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 12:22 PM
Subject: [TI] Chicago Mercurios


>
>
> Hi,
>
>    After reading all the emails, I am envious of those who
> traveled to Sicilia. Everyone seems to have had a good time
> visiting and sightseeing.
>    I am still trying to locate Mercurio cousins who lived
> in the Chicago area.  I have a new piece of information
> that might be a clue to someone out there.  My
> grandfather's sister, Antonina Bova, married Giuseppe
> Mercurio on Sept. 16, 1901.  Giuseppe's parents were
> Gaetano Mercurio and Maria D'Attilo.  I know that they came
> to America after the marriage.  They had three boys who
> were probably born between 1902 and 1915.  Does this ring
> any bells out there?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil Bova
>
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> 





From pwbova at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 14 23:11:32 2006
From: pwbova at sbcglobal.net (Pwb Bova)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:11:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
In-Reply-To: <45311179.7030004@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <20061014201132.43480.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My grandfather's, Filippo Agostino Bova, sister named
Antonina married the son of Maria D'Attilo.  I don't know
what relationship that would be.  I have known of the
Mercurio family in Chicago but never met any of them.  I
think that Mr. Mercurio died at an early age.  I know that
they had three sons.  I did not have the marriage date
until you posted it on the certificate database.  I also
thank you for all your hard work.  I would not know half of
what I know about my father's family if it wasn't for your
efforts.  I am the oldest grandchild and was able to listen
to the stories that were told in the family but much of
what was said was not entirely accurate.  Times and dates
seemed to be lost.  I never knew my father was born in TI
until his death in 1988.

Phil

--- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:

> Phil,
> 
> I cannot help you with finding the ones from Chicago but
> I would like to 
> know how this ties to your tree.
> 
> Maria D'Attilo that you mention below is the daughter of
> my greatx3 
> grandmother from her second marriage to Antonino D'Attilo
> after the 
> death of her first husband Saverio Sansone from cholera
> in 1837
> 
> Pwb Bova wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >    After reading all the emails, I am envious of those
> who
> >traveled to Sicilia. Everyone seems to have had a good
> time
> >visiting and sightseeing.  
> >    I am still trying to locate Mercurio cousins who
> lived
> >in the Chicago area.  I have a new piece of information
> >that might be a clue to someone out there.  My
> >grandfather's sister, Antonina Bova, married Giuseppe
> >Mercurio on Sept. 16, 1901.  Giuseppe's parents were
> >Gaetano Mercurio and Maria D'Attilo.  I know that they
> came
> >to America after the marriage.  They had three boys who
> >were probably born between 1902 and 1915.  Does this
> ring
> >any bells out there?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Phil Bova
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >TerminiImerese mailing list
> >TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>
>http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
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>
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From jrbkcastro at worldnet.att.net  Sun Oct 15 00:01:13 2006
From: jrbkcastro at worldnet.att.net (JRC)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:01:13 -0700
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
References: <135790bb0610121159t2d55df03r290254006da16b78@mail.gmail.com>
	<008401c6ee7e$0e9566c0$6401a8c0@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <45315019.2010605@worldnet.att.net>

Paul,

  any chance you could send one to:  jrbkcastro at att.net

I think we may have that name in our family...thx

Joe Castro

Paul J. Caito wrote:

> I have written a small synopsis of the Ardizzone Caito surname that I
> did for my siblings along with our family tree and I will send you a
> copy of it off-list.  It's about three pages and can be opened in
> Microsoft Word.  Ardizzone is of Germanic origin. If anyone else would
> like a copy I would be glad to send it to you if you send me your
> e-mail address.
> 
> Paul J. Caito
> Rochester, NY
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
> To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:59 PM
> Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
> 
> 
> 
>>Hi all,
>>I have found the surname Ardizzone-Caito in my family tree. Does
>>anyone know the history of this hyphenated name?
>>Franciene McDonald
>>--
>>Meet my amazing Italian American family: go to
>>
> http://www.iannarino.us.
> 
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From nellie at woh.rr.com  Sun Oct 15 00:11:25 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:11:25 -0400
Subject: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
References: <20061014201132.43480.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002001c6efd5$4ee99040$6601a8c0@momshp>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pwb Bova" <pwbova at sbcglobal.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Chicago Mercurios


> My grandfather's, Filippo Agostino Bova, sister named
> Antonina married the son of Maria D'Attilo.  I don't know
> what relationship that would be.  I have known of the
> Mercurio family in Chicago but never met any of them.  I
> think that Mr. Mercurio died at an early age.  I know that
> they had three sons.  I did not have the marriage date
> until you posted it on the certificate database.  I also
> thank you for all your hard work.  I would not know half of
> what I know about my father's family if it wasn't for your
> efforts.  I am the oldest grandchild and was able to listen
> to the stories that were told in the family but much of
> what was said was not entirely accurate.  Times and dates
> seemed to be lost.  I never knew my father was born in TI
> until his death in 1988.
>
> Phil
>
> --- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:
>
>> Phil,
>>
>> I cannot help you with finding the ones from Chicago but
>> I would like to
>> know how this ties to your tree.
>>
>> Maria D'Attilo that you mention below is the daughter of
>> my greatx3
>> grandmother from her second marriage to Antonino D'Attilo
>> after the
>> death of her first husband Saverio Sansone from cholera
>> in 1837
>>
>> Pwb Bova wrote:
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >    After reading all the emails, I am envious of those
>> who
>> >traveled to Sicilia. Everyone seems to have had a good
>> time
>> >visiting and sightseeing.
>> >    I am still trying to locate Mercurio cousins who
>> lived
>> >in the Chicago area.  I have a new piece of information
>> >that might be a clue to someone out there.  My
>> >grandfather's sister, Antonina Bova, married Giuseppe
>> >Mercurio on Sept. 16, 1901.  Giuseppe's parents were
>> >Gaetano Mercurio and Maria D'Attilo.  I know that they
>> came
>> >to America after the marriage.  They had three boys who
>> >were probably born between 1902 and 1915.  Does this
>> ring
>> >any bells out there?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >Phil Bova
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >TerminiImerese mailing list
>> >TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>
>>http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TerminiImerese mailing list
>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
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From nellie at woh.rr.com  Sun Oct 15 00:21:37 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:21:37 -0400
Subject: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
References: <20061014201132.43480.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002201c6efd6$bc023960$6601a8c0@momshp>

1910 was not a good year for finding people.  I have looked for Josephine 
Lamantia Mercurio for some time with no success.  Her husband was August 
Mercurio, born in Italy.  Josephine's oldest child, Mary Mercurio, was born 
24 May 1910.  She had two other children, Joseph b 1911 and Helen b 1914. 
August died in May 1919 of influenza.
Josephine lived in Chicago, I don't know how she met her husband but her 
half sister, Mary Lamantia, married Ed Mercurio, brother to August.  They 
had no children.
Ed and August Mercurio had a sister named Lena.  I think Ed and August met 
their future wives in Chicago since that is where Maria Delisi Lamantia was 
living when Mamie and Sam Lamantia were married 14 Sep 1915.  Does anyone 
have August, Ed, or Lena Mercurio in their information on Mercurios.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pwb Bova" <pwbova at sbcglobal.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Chicago Mercurios


> My grandfather's, Filippo Agostino Bova, sister named
> Antonina married the son of Maria D'Attilo.  I don't know
> what relationship that would be.  I have known of the
> Mercurio family in Chicago but never met any of them.  I
> think that Mr. Mercurio died at an early age.  I know that
> they had three sons.  I did not have the marriage date
> until you posted it on the certificate database.  I also
> thank you for all your hard work.  I would not know half of
> what I know about my father's family if it wasn't for your
> efforts.  I am the oldest grandchild and was able to listen
> to the stories that were told in the family but much of
> what was said was not entirely accurate.  Times and dates
> seemed to be lost.  I never knew my father was born in TI
> until his death in 1988.
>
> Phil
>
> --- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:
>
>> Phil,
>>
>> I cannot help you with finding the ones from Chicago but
>> I would like to
>> know how this ties to your tree.
>>
>> Maria D'Attilo that you mention below is the daughter of
>> my greatx3
>> grandmother from her second marriage to Antonino D'Attilo
>> after the
>> death of her first husband Saverio Sansone from cholera
>> in 1837
>>
>> Pwb Bova wrote:
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >    After reading all the emails, I am envious of those
>> who
>> >traveled to Sicilia. Everyone seems to have had a good
>> time
>> >visiting and sightseeing.
>> >    I am still trying to locate Mercurio cousins who
>> lived
>> >in the Chicago area.  I have a new piece of information
>> >that might be a clue to someone out there.  My
>> >grandfather's sister, Antonina Bova, married Giuseppe
>> >Mercurio on Sept. 16, 1901.  Giuseppe's parents were
>> >Gaetano Mercurio and Maria D'Attilo.  I know that they
>> came
>> >to America after the marriage.  They had three boys who
>> >were probably born between 1902 and 1915.  Does this
>> ring
>> >any bells out there?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >Phil Bova
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >TerminiImerese mailing list
>> >TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>
>>http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Sun Oct 15 00:36:12 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:36:12 -0400
Subject: [TI] DATABASE - CORRECTIONS, UPDATES, ETC
References: <20061014010029.97313.qmail@web39501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<000501c6efa9$46130180$6900a8c0@hsd1.ut.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.84$.008b01c6efd8$c652d710$089950ce@DJZBSK81>

Kathy, Laura and everyone we have something money could not buy.
Thank you all for making this possible.
Anna Riggio

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kathy Kirkpatrick" <gentracer at gentracer.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] DATABASE - CORRECTIONS, UPDATES, ETC


> Roseann and all,
>
> I haven't commented on this topic before but feel the need to add my own 
> two
> cents.
>
> Termini really was a large place (still is despite so many folks moving to
> America around the turn of the century). And, many folks came from other
> locations and only stayed in Termini a generation or so before leaving for
> America. So, lots of information is not yet on the database because of the
> enormous numbers of people involved. I do a lot of research in the
> microfilmed records and check the database to shorten the search when
> possible. But most of the time I don't find what I want in the database 
> (or
> not enough of what I want), especially in the more recent (larger
> population) records.
>
> This database and the list are an enormous contribution to genealogy in 
> this
> town and I don't know of another town with such an organized effort and so
> many positive results. As Laura (and many others) have said, you need to 
> get
> into the original records to make real progress in your searching. The
> database will open doors for many folks, but most need to start the search
> in the microfilms before reaping the benefits of the database further back
> in time. Even then, database entries contain some clerical errors (from 
> when
> the records were originally created) and the records themselves contain
> additional details that are invaluable in continuing the search.
>
> More thanks to Laura and many more who provide this service for all of us!
>
> Kathy Kirkpatrick
> GenTracer
> PO Box 11955
> Salt Lake City, UT 84147
> 801 755 6991
> www.gentracer.com
> gentracer at gentracer.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roseann Lemp" <italiancousin at yahoo.com>
> To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] DATABASE - CORRECTIONS, UPDATES, ETC
>
>
>> Sorry I am VERY far behind in my mail..
>> I would like to make a comment on Laura's statement.
>>
>> I am NOT real new to this group. I am NOT very good
>> with computers.
>> What I am trying to say is THANK YOU IN A PUBLIC WAY
>> TO LAURA AND ALL OF HER HELPERS.
>>
>> Even tho I have not reaped any benefits ,as yet,from
>> the database I appreciate all of the work to those
>> that have made it availabe to all of us.
>>
>> How anyone could not is beyond me.
>>
>> I am confident that the work being done is from the
>> heart and is for all of us to benefit from.
>>
>> I feel sorry for anyone that cannot see and appreciate
>> these folks for all of their work..
>>
>> THANK YOU,
>> Roseann Longo Lemp
>>
>>
>> --- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I really don't have the time to deal with this now
>> > but evidentally it has become a problem that needs
>> > to be dealt with before I leave.
>> >
>> > I really don't appreciate the remarks that were made
>> > recently by several people.  These remarks are
>> > coming from people have done nothing to help get
>> > this database online but instead have sat in the
>> > background and reaped the benefits of what  about
>> > 15-20 people have done to help make it easier for
>> > everyone to see the information.  None of these
>> > people have been paid for doing what they are doing
>> > and Rose Amison has spent plenty on filming the
>> > films so we could work faster and get more done so
>> > that Kim and I don't have to spend countless
>> > evenings at the library trying to verify these
>> > documents and instead we can work from home when it
>> > is convenient for us.  And convenience for me is
>> > almost constant here and I bend over backwards to
>> > help people make connections and to answer their
>> > questions.
>> >
>> > It is still going to take another 3 to 4 years to
>> > complete the database.  And that does not include
>> > going back and doing all of the allegati films as
>> > well to get them entered as well.
>> >
>> > 1.  We have never professed that the database is
>> > free of mistaks. It is NOT perfect.........but I
>> > will say that we do our best at reading these
>> > documents.  Some of them are almost impossible to
>> > read - badly faded, badly damaged.  The final
>> > definitive answer comes once I have entered the
>> > document into FTM and found how it fits within the
>> > whole file.  But this takes a long time to enter all
>> > of these documents into FTM and I have been
>> > concentrating more on getting the documents into the
>> > database instead of worrying so much about the FTM
>> > file.
>> >
>> > 2.  Kim and I work hard at trying to verify the
>> > documents.  We are not perfect but we try to do our
>> > best to make it the best it can be.
>> >
>> > 3.  I have always corrected problems with documents
>> > if someone brings them to my attention.  The
>> > correction will not show in the database until the
>> > next upload.  Right now, it takes me over 2 hours to
>> > get the upload into the database online so it is far
>> > easier to upload any corrections with the next
>> > upload of documents rather than every time a
>> > correction is found.
>> >
>> > 4.  If someone tells me they are questioning a
>> > document, I pull the document and verify it against
>> > what they are telling me.  If I don't agree, I tell
>> > them why I don't agree with it.  If the person is
>> > right, I make the correction so it will appear in
>> > the next upload
>> >
>> > 5.  And finally...........if you find something you
>> > think needs correction, SEND AN EMAIL DIRECTLY TO
>> > ME.  Tell me the exact document with dates, names,
>> > type of document, etc and what you think is
>> > incorrect so that I can pull the document to verify
>> > it again.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I spend more time on this project than anyone else -
>> > over 60 hours per week plus I work full time.  I
>> > haven't reaped one red cent of profit yet on the
>> > database.  It is still running in the red and will
>> > for quite some time.  Without the additional
>> > printing of images for people and the research
>> > projects I have done, I would be out thousands of
>> > dollars a year.
>> >
>> > Also, remember, if you find a document in the
>> > database and you need it, I can print and send it to
>> > you.  The cost is only 50 cents per
>> > page........still a lot cheaper than ordering the
>> > film, waiting for the film to come in, taking the
>> > time to search to find the record on the film and
>> > then the cost of printing it out.  And remember, by
>> > ordering the documents directly from me, you can get
>> > them faster than ordering the film yourself and it
>> > also helps to keep the website online.  The 50 cents
>> > per page just covers the cost of printing the page
>> > and mailing it to you.  It doesn't include the time
>> > it takes me to pull the document (if it is digitally
>> > indexed) and to crop the document and resize it for
>> > printing.  If I have to find the document on the
>> > film because it has not been digitally indexed, it
>> > takes longer.
>> >
>> > REMEMBER:  The database is only a TOOL to point you
>> > in the right direction to find a document you want
>> > or need.  IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE used in place of
>> > obtaining a copy of the document.  The KEY WORD here
>> > is that you should never take anything for granted
>> > and should obtain a copy of the document to verify
>> > the information yourself.  If you only take what is
>> > in the database, you are only doing half the job
>> > because you haven't documented it fully by obtaining
>> > the document for verification.
>> >
>> >
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Sun Oct 15 03:31:32 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:31:32 -0500
Subject: [TI] More pictures added
In-Reply-To: <4531074F.2050709@madisontelco.com>
References: <4531074F.2050709@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <45318164.1000405@madisontelco.com>

http://www.termini-imerese.org/Reunion/2006TI/Reunion2006.htm
Duomo section has been added


Still to come:
Meeting Family
Street Names
Ancestral Homes
Other Comunes we visited
Churches of Termini Imerese




From acm605 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 15 03:51:52 2006
From: acm605 at comcast.net (Tony Massaro)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:51:52 +0000
Subject: [TI] Alitalia-ken
Message-ID: <101520060051.7289.453186280007704F00001C792200761064CACFC0030C0E@comcast.net>

As far as the crew, we had an all male crew. i couldn't even find solace in their little green red and white uniforms as you say.

--
Tony Massaro
acm605 at comcast.net

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Paul  J. Caito" <pjcaito at frontiernet.net>
> Actually, I flew Alitalia from JFK to Rome to Palermo and really
> didn't have any problems with them, except that little annoying habit
> of theirs in which they change their gates but fail to tell the
> ticketholders where the plane is actually leaving from.   I thought
> the seats were very comfortable and the food on the plane was great
> (for airplane food, that is).  One interesting note on Alitalia's
> food - I signed up for their "low-fat" menu (they had diabetic,
> kosher, low salt, etc. to choose from).  What I found out was that if
> you sign up for a special menu, they deliver your meal FIRST - before
> everyone else!!  Not only that, my meals had fresh fruit and salads
> and lean meats while my seat-mates had these oily-looking "things."
> Needless to say, everyone was envious of the food that I was getting,
> both going over to Italy and coming back.
> 
> Paul J. Caito
> Rochester, NY
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Geraci" <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] Alitalia
> 
> 
> > I flew Alitalia in 2000 from Rome and I thought they
> > were pretty good. Of course I admit to being somewhat
> > captivated by the Italian stewardesses wearing their
> > little green, red and white outfits and it's possible
> > that my critical judgment was distracted! LOL Sorry to
> > hear that they've apparently gone downhill.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- Elizabeth Budry <erbudry at sc.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Tony:
> > >
> > > We tried to avoid Alitalia at any cost, having never
> > > heard anything good
> > > about them.  That's one of the reasons we ended up
> > > on Eurofly and would do
> > > so again at any time.
> > >
> > > Elizabeth Budry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> > > [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Tony Massaro
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:23 PM
> > > To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > > Subject: Re: [TI] Our trip to Termini Imerese
> > >
> > > We flew Alitalia from Chicago to Milan because we
> > > worked our way down to
> > > Termini. I was very dissappointed. the seats were
> > > uncomfortable though it
> > > was a 767 and the main movie screen did not work
> > > both on the way to and from
> > > italy. And as i found several times, service didn't
> > > come with a smile.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tony Massaro
> > > acm605 at comcast.net
> > >
> > >  -------------- Original message
> > > ----------------------
> > > From: judy.agostino at 295.ca
> > > > >
> > > >   Hi:
> > > >     I have enjoyed reading about the 99 steps and
> > > other adventures, but
> > > > did anyone visit the Museum in Termini.  We
> > > visited it a few years
> > > > ago, and found it very interesting.
> > > >     Agostino Galioto.
> > > >
> > > >  What a great trip.  We flew Eurofly from JFK
> > > directly into Palermo and
> > > > > would
> > > > > highly recommend it.  Individual screens on the
> > > back of all seats with
> > > > > movies and the trip schedule.
> > > > >
> > > > > TI was wonderful including the natural
> > > Stairmaster (the 99 steps).  The
> > > > > gelato was wonderful.  The cherry amaretto was
> > > super.  The pizza was
> > > also
> > > > > very good.  The cheese nazi (the head waiter in
> > > white jacket) was very
> > > > > funny.  He wouldn't allow anyone to have cheese
> > > on the pasta with fish.
> > > > > The
> > > > > chef absolutely forbade it, he said.  The hotel
> > > was very nice and the
> > > > > respite at Trabia was excellent.  What a view.
> > > > >
> > > > > In TI, I had a picture and address of my g-uncle
> > > Salvatore's house on
> > > > > Stesicoro.  Madeleine helped us one day but we
> > > couldn't find it.  We
> > > > > persisted on another day and found it in Basso,
> > > matching the picture to
> > > > > the
> > > > > present day house.  The bottom of the house was
> > > a borzellerio (sp) a
> > > > > leather
> > > > > shop that made purses.  There was an old couple
> > > in there and Gary
> > > prodded
> > > > > me
> > > > > to talk to them.  At first I resisted (not
> > > knowing proficient Italian)
> > > but
> > > > > finally I talked to them, explaining my zio
> > > Salvatore Sansone lived
> > > there
> > > > > previously, showed them the picture and the lady
> > > recognized Signore
> > > > > Sansone
> > > > > and his wife Rosina.  Turns out they lived next
> > > door when they were very
> > > > > young (they are probably now mid 80's).  She
> > > showed the picture to her
> > > > > husband but he had problems with his vision and
> > > it didn't register with
> > > > > him
> > > > > but he did remember them.  I also found my
> > > grandfather's house on
> > > Palazzo
> > > > > Cirullo. A few of the houses there were
> > > abandoned.
> > > > >
> > > > > My initial impression of TI?  I absolutely loved
> > > it and will definitely
> > > go
> > > > > back, next time also going to Terrasini where my
> > > paternal g-grandparents
> > > > > lived.  That is about 20 miles west of Palermo
> > > so the train will be no
> > > > > problem.  Speaking of Trenitalia, the trains are
> > > super.  What a great
> > > way
> > > > > to
> > > > > traverse the island.
> > > > >
> > > > > And last but not least, what a great bunch of
> > > people on the trip.  It is
> > > > > so
> > > > > nice to now have a face to match the lister, and
> > > we will definitely be
> > > at
> > > > > the reunion in Rochester, NY next year.
> > > > >
> > > > > Madeleine Gill was such a wonderful help to us
> > > and her cousins, John and
> > > > > Mary Badali, are such lovely people. We also met
> > > Madeline's cousin
> > > Claudio
> > > > > who was in the process of selling his ancestral
> > > home in TI because he
> > > > > lives
> > > > > in England.  What a great experience it was for
> > > us.
> > > > >
> > > > > Elizabeth Budry
> > > > > ERBudry at sc.rr.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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From mygirl at ctc.net  Sun Oct 15 03:53:53 2006
From: mygirl at ctc.net (Rosalie)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:53:53 -0400
Subject: [TI] DiVittorio-Candiaoto
Message-ID: <030e01c6eff4$63610840$6400a8c0@Rosalie>

Joan Petrulis sent a message Aug 22, 2006.
Asking about Giuseppa Candioto married to Agostino DiVittorio.  Their 
daughter Giuseppa married Michael Ciofalo.  Their daughter Maria Ciofalo 
married you grandfather Vincenzo Indovina.

I have not found a connection to Giuseppa Candioto.  I have a Agostino 
DiVittorio born 20 Aug 1833 father Antonio DiVittorio mother Grazia Navarra. 
Grazia had a brother Giuseppe and a sister Anna Navarra.  Father Vincenzo 
Carmelo Navarra.  No other info on Agostino.

Agostino DiVittorio's brothers and sisters:

Salvadore DiVittorio b: 6 Oct 1822.

Rosaria DiVittorio  b:19 April 1825 married 21 Oct 1849  Nunzio Russo father 
Andrea Russo mother Anna Caverna.

Salvadore DiVittorio b: 25 Nov 1827.

Carmelo DiVittorio b: 6 Sept 1830 married 17 Oct 1861 Vincenza Arrio father 
Giuseppe mother Maria Battaglia.

Agostino Giuseppe DiVittorio b: 20 Aug 1833.

Candita DiVittorio b: 22 April 1836.

Ferdinando DiVittorio b: 28 July 1839 died: 14 Aug 1846.

Rosalia Caterina DiVittorio b: 10 July 1841 married 4 Sept 1864 Agostino 
Russo father Andrea Russo mother Anna Caverna.

Caterina DiVittorio 6 Dec 1845 married Antonino Mangione father Filippo 
Mangione mother Flavia Cortese.

Candita DiVittorio 13 Oct 1861 married Antonino Catanzaro father Giuseppe 
Catanzaro mother Filippa Capone.
_________________________________________________
The Candioto is about as long also.
Father is Pietrio Candioto mother Girolama Mirabella.

Rosalia Agostina Candioto b:16 Jan 1837.

Francesca Maria Agostina Candioto b: 28 March 1839.

Giuseppe Candioto b: 10 Oct 1843.

Marghirata Agostina Candioto b: 22 June 1841 died: 28 Aug 1842.

Ignazio Candioto b: 31 July 1847.

Margarita Candioto b: 20 Jan 1846 died: 22 Sept 1846.

Agostina Antonina Candioto b: 9 Jan 1849 married Salvatore Vitale father 
Carmela Vitale mother Benedetta Mileto.

Salvadore Candioto b: 25 Dec 1850.

Antonina Candioto 20 March 1879 married 29 Dec 1877 Carmelo Vitale father 
Salvadore Vitale mother Filippa Demma.

With so many brothers and sisters it's really a tangled web that was weaved. 
This is as best that I could do.  If you see any thing please let me know.
Rosalie Amison









From mygirl at ctc.net  Sun Oct 15 04:07:48 2006
From: mygirl at ctc.net (Rosalie)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:07:48 -0400
Subject: [TI] More pictures added
References: <4531074F.2050709@madisontelco.com>
	<45318164.1000405@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <031d01c6eff6$5612e530$6400a8c0@Rosalie>

Beautiful.  The statues must be very old in these churches, they are in very 
good condition.  At least from the photos they look very good.  What did the 
people that were there think about the statues?
Rosalie Amison
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laura Johnson" <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 8:31 PM
Subject: [TI] More pictures added


> http://www.termini-imerese.org/Reunion/2006TI/Reunion2006.htm
> Duomo section has been added





From acm605 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 15 16:00:11 2006
From: acm605 at comcast.net (Tony Massaro)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:00:11 +0000
Subject: [TI] cemetery
Message-ID: <101520061300.22646.453230DB00075029000058762207000953CACFC0030C0E@comcast.net>

Terry:
Most of the marble graves you described were situated in a square formation. if you looked beyond the graves there was another graveyard inside the square with some rusted gold crosses, small very plain headstones, or just site markers such as #56. it actually looked like a potter's field. do you know if that is where they buried the non-renewals or just those who couldn't afford the other?


--
Tony Massaro
acm605 at comcast.net

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Terry Skibiski <tskibiski at yahoo.com>
> Greetings, all!  I just thought I?d scribble a few
> lines to let you know how the Termini cemetery project
> went, and share a little information I learned while
> there.   I talked to To To Loparella, the cemetery 
> director, via an interpreter and was given some
> interesting information.  We had been told some of
> this before, but he helped fill in some of the gaps. 
> The plots in the cemetery are not like the nice grassy
> plots here with one or two people buried in each
> space.  There are 20 sections in the main part of the
> cemetery, and the graves are situated around the
> perimeter of each section.  Sections are separated by
> narrow paved streets.  Graves consist of a concrete or
> marble slab over a grave 16 feet deep, which is also
> lined with concrete.  Caskets are lowered into the
> vertical crypt, and piled one on top of each other. 
> In this way entire families can be buried together. 
> Headstones for the most part consist of marble,
> limestone, or concrete vertical slabs inlaid with oval
> ceramic photos of the deceased, with the birth and
> death dates recorded underneath or next to the photo. 
> Some also have small plaques sitting on marble easels
> on top of the slab.  Grave sites are rented to the
> families for 20 years, and if the rent is not renewed,
> then the bodies are exhumed and re-interred in the
> central area of the section, sometimes with a small
> steel cross or rock to mark the spot, but more often
> than not, no marker at all.  The concrete sites are
> then rented to another family.   Old headstones are
> returned to the family.  Of course, if the family does
> renew the rent, then the bodies remain for a longer
> time.  Occasionally families will acquire a larger
> site and move the scattered family members to the new
> site so all the family is together.  The most number
> of people I counted buried in one spot was 29, but
> that site was wider than the majority of sites. 
> Wealthy families have tall mausoleums where the family
> is placed in the walls in vaults.  The insides of
> these contain altars, chairs, statues, paintings,
> candelabras, and photos of the family ? very elegant
> and ornate, like a small private chapel. 
> 
> The whole cemetery is quite peaceful and emotionally
> moving.  Most of the graves in the cemetery are
> beautifully but simply decorated with flowers and
> candles.  They are all kept up very nice and clean.  I
> saw several families there decorating plots, or
> washing and sweeping them.  There is no ?old? section
> per se, because families are buried together, but the
> section in the north part was the first part of the
> cemetery built.  This was the area I photographed, but
> because of the large numbers of people buried in each
> plot, it took a great deal of time, and I only managed
> to photograph four sections.  I have 696 photos, and
> many of these have multiple people on them.  It will
> take a while to transcribe all of the information on
> these pictures, and the dates range from the early
> 1900s to 2006.  Paul Caito and Sheryl Hartnet also did
> some photographing, and we will be consolidating all
> the pictures into one database.  
> 
> Thanks for your patience with this project.  I would
> be happy to accept large monetary donations from
> anyone who wants me to return and continue this. 
> Really, I will.  No, I?m serious.  I will take
> anybody?s money.  I?m not proud.  I want to go back! 
> It may take several trips, so please contribute
> generously and often!  I will even send you a postcard
> while I?m there.
> 
> Still dreaming in Italian,
> Terry
> 
> 
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From nellie at woh.rr.com  Sun Oct 15 16:14:44 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 09:14:44 -0400
Subject: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
References: <20061014201132.43480.qmail@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<002201c6efd6$bc023960$6601a8c0@momshp>
Message-ID: <000d01c6f05b$e201b250$6601a8c0@momshp>

Sorry - I should have re-read this before I sent it.  I don't know if 
Josephine's husband August Mercurio was from Chicago or Toledo.  Josephine 
lived at 910 Oakwood, Toledo, Ohio for many years.  They could have moved to 
wherever August could make a living.
Mary Lamantia Mercurio lived in Iowa for a few years then moved to Toledo. 
Family story says that after Maria Delisi's husband died (1905), there was 
talk of Mamie (then age 3) going to an orphanage then she went to Iowa and 
lived with Mary for a few years.  I think Mary and her husband ran a candy 
store in Iowa.
The 1910 reference is to finding people in the census records.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nell lamantia" <nellie at woh.rr.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Chicago Mercurios


> 1910 was not a good year for finding people.  I have looked for Josephine
> Lamantia Mercurio for some time with no success.  Her husband was August
> Mercurio, born in Italy.  Josephine's oldest child, Mary Mercurio, was 
> born
> 24 May 1910.  She had two other children, Joseph b 1911 and Helen b 1914.
> August died in May 1919 of influenza.
> Josephine lived in Chicago, I don't know how she met her husband but her
> half sister, Mary Lamantia, married Ed Mercurio, brother to August.  They
> had no children.
> Ed and August Mercurio had a sister named Lena.  I think Ed and August met
> their future wives in Chicago since that is where Maria Delisi Lamantia 
> was
> living when Mamie and Sam Lamantia were married 14 Sep 1915.  Does anyone
> have August, Ed, or Lena Mercurio in their information on Mercurios.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pwb Bova" <pwbova at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
>
>
>> My grandfather's, Filippo Agostino Bova, sister named
>> Antonina married the son of Maria D'Attilo.  I don't know
>> what relationship that would be.  I have known of the
>> Mercurio family in Chicago but never met any of them.  I
>> think that Mr. Mercurio died at an early age.  I know that
>> they had three sons.  I did not have the marriage date
>> until you posted it on the certificate database.  I also
>> thank you for all your hard work.  I would not know half of
>> what I know about my father's family if it wasn't for your
>> efforts.  I am the oldest grandchild and was able to listen
>> to the stories that were told in the family but much of
>> what was said was not entirely accurate.  Times and dates
>> seemed to be lost.  I never knew my father was born in TI
>> until his death in 1988.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> --- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Phil,
>>>
>>> I cannot help you with finding the ones from Chicago but
>>> I would like to
>>> know how this ties to your tree.
>>>
>>> Maria D'Attilo that you mention below is the daughter of
>>> my greatx3
>>> grandmother from her second marriage to Antonino D'Attilo
>>> after the
>>> death of her first husband Saverio Sansone from cholera
>>> in 1837
>>>
>>> Pwb Bova wrote:
>>>
>>> >Hi,
>>> >
>>> >    After reading all the emails, I am envious of those
>>> who
>>> >traveled to Sicilia. Everyone seems to have had a good
>>> time
>>> >visiting and sightseeing.
>>> >    I am still trying to locate Mercurio cousins who
>>> lived
>>> >in the Chicago area.  I have a new piece of information
>>> >that might be a clue to someone out there.  My
>>> >grandfather's sister, Antonina Bova, married Giuseppe
>>> >Mercurio on Sept. 16, 1901.  Giuseppe's parents were
>>> >Gaetano Mercurio and Maria D'Attilo.  I know that they
>>> came
>>> >to America after the marriage.  They had three boys who
>>> >were probably born between 1902 and 1915.  Does this
>>> ring
>>> >any bells out there?
>>> >
>>> >Thanks,
>>> >
>>> >Phil Bova
>>> >
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From acm605 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 15 16:38:06 2006
From: acm605 at comcast.net (Tony Massaro)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:38:06 +0000
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
Message-ID: <101520061338.19892.453239BE0001F57900004DB42206998499CACFC0030C0E@comcast.net>

Frank, your slide show was awesome. Was that a still shot camera. a movie camera or special effects on that zoom. it really added to the viewing.

--
Tony Massaro
acm605 at comcast.net

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: m.maddi at att.net (Mike Maddi)
> Great picture show. I noticed that Martin Scorsese's new movie opened over the 
> weekend with record revenues. The only reason he doesn't fear you as a rival is 
> that you haven't gotten into the "talkies" yet.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
> > 
> > 
> > I've put my pics into a slide show that you can view at
> > http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you are using a dial-up
> > connection.
> > 
> > Thanks!!
> > 
> > Frank Palmisano
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TerminiImerese mailing list
> > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> 
> 
> 
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From mygirl at ctc.net  Sun Oct 15 16:46:56 2006
From: mygirl at ctc.net (Rosalie)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 09:46:56 -0400
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
References: <101520061338.19892.453239BE0001F57900004DB42206998499CACFC0030C0E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003f01c6f060$62955bc0$6400a8c0@Rosalie>

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/plus/PlusHome.asp
This is a program that I have used in the past.  It does all of what Frank's 
program does and more.  Once complete can send to others with wide band.
Rosalie Amison

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Massaro" <acm605 at comcast.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


> Frank, your slide show was awesome. Was that a still shot camera. a movie 
> camera or special effects on that zoom. it really added to the viewing.
>
> --
> Tony Massaro
> acm605 at comcast.net





From franthony at trappist.net  Sun Oct 15 16:55:25 2006
From: franthony at trappist.net (Fr. Anthony Delisi)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 09:55:25 -0400
Subject: [TI] More pictures added
In-Reply-To: <45318164.1000405@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <002601c6f061$9562ec60$6d01a8c0@109anthny>

Dear Cousins,

My response to the photos of the Duomo is they failed to show you the
archives of ancient books.  Why?  I was afraid that something like this
would happen.

There is always a next time.

PAX. fr. Anthony Delisi.

-----Original Message-----






From fpalmis at comcast.net  Sun Oct 15 17:07:47 2006
From: fpalmis at comcast.net (Frank Sr.)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 09:07:47 -0500
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
In-Reply-To: <101520061338.19892.453239BE0001F57900004DB42206998499CACFC0030C0E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <LOBBLKKLDJDGJKFLCLLEIEGFEDAA.fpalmis@comcast.net>

Thanks, Tony, but the credit all goes to Windows Photo Story 3 for Windows,
a free download from Microsoft.  I just used a 3 megapixel Kodak digital
camera.  Photo Story allows you to control the types of transitions, timing,
add music, etc., but for this one I just used the default of random
transitions.  I then loaded it to a website that I pay for.

But, after I did it, I discovered that Comcast, through which I get my
broadband, has a competing product, free for its Internet customers, Comcast
PhotoShow Deluxe 4, that does the same thing, AND makes it available
separately on the Internet; i.e., you don't have to pay for a website.
These shows can be quite large (the TI one is over 30 MB) so if you have a
free website, it needs to have quite a bit of space.

Frank Palmisano

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Massaro [mailto:acm605 at comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 8:38 AM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


Frank, your slide show was awesome. Was that a still shot camera. a movie
camera or special effects on that zoom. it really added to the viewing.

--
Tony Massaro
acm605 at comcast.net

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: m.maddi at att.net (Mike Maddi)
> Great picture show. I noticed that Martin Scorsese's new movie opened over
the
> weekend with record revenues. The only reason he doesn't fear you as a
rival is
> that you haven't gotten into the "talkies" yet.
>
> Mike
>
>
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
> >
> >
> > I've put my pics into a slide show that you can view at
> > http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you are using a dial-up
> > connection.
> >
> > Thanks!!
> >
> > Frank Palmisano
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TerminiImerese mailing list
> > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org








From nellie at woh.rr.com  Sun Oct 15 18:52:22 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:52:22 -0400
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
References: <101520061338.19892.453239BE0001F57900004DB42206998499CACFC0030C0E@comcast.net>
	<003f01c6f060$62955bc0$6400a8c0@Rosalie>
Message-ID: <000501c6f071$e7965e80$6601a8c0@momshp>

I get an error on this link
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rosalie" <mygirl at ctc.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/plus/PlusHome.asp
> This is a program that I have used in the past.  It does all of what 
> Frank's
> program does and more.  Once complete can send to others with wide band.
> Rosalie Amison
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tony Massaro" <acm605 at comcast.net>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
>
>
>> Frank, your slide show was awesome. Was that a still shot camera. a movie
>> camera or special effects on that zoom. it really added to the viewing.
>>
>> --
>> Tony Massaro
>> acm605 at comcast.net
>
>
>
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From nellie at woh.rr.com  Sun Oct 15 18:53:57 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:53:57 -0400
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
References: <LOBBLKKLDJDGJKFLCLLEIEGFEDAA.fpalmis@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c6f072$203a2fa0$6601a8c0@momshp>

 I thought this show was terrific.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


> Thanks, Tony, but the credit all goes to Windows Photo Story 3 for 
> Windows,
> a free download from Microsoft.  I just used a 3 megapixel Kodak digital
> camera.  Photo Story allows you to control the types of transitions, 
> timing,
> add music, etc., but for this one I just used the default of random
> transitions.  I then loaded it to a website that I pay for.
>
> But, after I did it, I discovered that Comcast, through which I get my
> broadband, has a competing product, free for its Internet customers, 
> Comcast
> PhotoShow Deluxe 4, that does the same thing, AND makes it available
> separately on the Internet; i.e., you don't have to pay for a website.
> These shows can be quite large (the TI one is over 30 MB) so if you have a
> free website, it needs to have quite a bit of space.
>
> Frank Palmisano
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Massaro [mailto:acm605 at comcast.net]
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 8:38 AM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
>
>
> Frank, your slide show was awesome. Was that a still shot camera. a movie
> camera or special effects on that zoom. it really added to the viewing.
>
> --
> Tony Massaro
> acm605 at comcast.net
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: m.maddi at att.net (Mike Maddi)
>> Great picture show. I noticed that Martin Scorsese's new movie opened 
>> over
> the
>> weekend with record revenues. The only reason he doesn't fear you as a
> rival is
>> that you haven't gotten into the "talkies" yet.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: "Frank Sr." <fpalmis at comcast.net>
>> >
>> >
>> > I've put my pics into a slide show that you can view at
>> > http://tinyurl.com/rvl97.  May take a while if you are using a dial-up
>> > connection.
>> >
>> > Thanks!!
>> >
>> > Frank Palmisano
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > TerminiImerese mailing list
>> > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> >
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>>
>>
>>
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>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>
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From mygirl at ctc.net  Sun Oct 15 19:19:46 2006
From: mygirl at ctc.net (Rosalie)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 12:19:46 -0400
Subject: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
References: <101520061338.19892.453239BE0001F57900004DB42206998499CACFC0030C0E@comcast.net><003f01c6f060$62955bc0$6400a8c0@Rosalie>
	<000501c6f071$e7965e80$6601a8c0@momshp>
Message-ID: <006701c6f075$bb8281d0$6400a8c0@Rosalie>

Nell if you go to Microsoft, research for plus and it should could up.  
Rosalie Amison
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nell lamantia" <nellie at woh.rr.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion


>I get an error on this link
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rosalie" <mygirl at ctc.net>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [TI] My Pics from the TI 2006 Reunion
> 
> 
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/plus/PlusHome.asp
>> This is a program that I have used in the past.  It does all of what 
>> Frank's
>> program does and more.  Once complete can send to others with wide band.
>> Rosalie Amison





From ltedesco26 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 15 20:55:55 2006
From: ltedesco26 at yahoo.com (Larie Tedesco)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:55:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Stefano Papania - Priest
Message-ID: <20061015175555.99919.qmail@web36210.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Laura,

     When looking at the Priests of Duomo I found
listed....
1817-1837  Don Stefano Papania  
     I believe this priest is our Papania Family - the
dates seem to be good.

This is my line

Stefano Papania died bef 1829 married Marina Mascolino
died before 1829

2 of their children
Mariano Antonino Papania died 1837 married Maria Anna
Castro - died before 1837 (they are my
ggggrandparents)

Onofrio Papania died 1829 married Giuseppa Ganci died
1835

Onofrio and Giuseppa Ganci (one of the children)
Stefano Papania born about 1783 died 1837 - he was a
priest

    Can you tell by the death certificate if he is
listed as the priest from Duomo.  Seems to be correct
..I will send for the certificate.

Thank you,
Larie





From tskibiski at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 15 21:40:48 2006
From: tskibiski at yahoo.com (Terry Skibiski)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:40:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] cemetery
In-Reply-To: <101520061300.22646.453230DB00075029000058762207000953CACFC0030C0E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20061015184048.44199.qmail@web35414.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I was told that was the area in the middle of the
perimeter of marble graves was where they re-buried
the non-renewals.  Some of the small rusted crosses
had writing on them, but I was not able to make out
any of them.  Besides being old, rusted, and Italian,
they also abbreviated a lot.  But if you know what
area your ancestor was originally buried in, then they
are probably interred in that central section.  I do
not know where they buried those who could not afford
a plot, which would be the true "potter's field".

Terry

--- Tony Massaro <acm605 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Terry:
> Most of the marble graves you described were
> situated in a square formation. if you looked beyond
> the graves there was another graveyard inside the
> square with some rusted gold crosses, small very
> plain headstones, or just site markers such as #56.
> it actually looked like a potter's field. do you
> know if that is where they buried the non-renewals
> or just those who couldn't afford the other?
> 
> 
> --
> Tony Massaro
> acm605 at comcast.net
> 
>  -------------- Original message
> ----------------------
> From: Terry Skibiski <tskibiski at yahoo.com>
> > Greetings, all!  I just thought I?d scribble a few
> > lines to let you know how the Termini cemetery
> project
> > went, and share a little information I learned
> while
> > there.   I talked to To To Loparella, the cemetery
> 
> > director, via an interpreter and was given some
> > interesting information.  We had been told some of
> > this before, but he helped fill in some of the
> gaps. 
> > The plots in the cemetery are not like the nice
> grassy
> > plots here with one or two people buried in each
> > space.  There are 20 sections in the main part of
> the
> > cemetery, and the graves are situated around the
> > perimeter of each section.  Sections are separated
> by
> > narrow paved streets.  Graves consist of a
> concrete or
> > marble slab over a grave 16 feet deep, which is
> also
> > lined with concrete.  Caskets are lowered into the
> > vertical crypt, and piled one on top of each
> other. 
> > In this way entire families can be buried
> together. 
> > Headstones for the most part consist of marble,
> > limestone, or concrete vertical slabs inlaid with
> oval
> > ceramic photos of the deceased, with the birth and
> > death dates recorded underneath or next to the
> photo. 
> > Some also have small plaques sitting on marble
> easels
> > on top of the slab.  Grave sites are rented to the
> > families for 20 years, and if the rent is not
> renewed,
> > then the bodies are exhumed and re-interred in the
> > central area of the section, sometimes with a
> small
> > steel cross or rock to mark the spot, but more
> often
> > than not, no marker at all.  The concrete sites
> are
> > then rented to another family.   Old headstones
> are
> > returned to the family.  Of course, if the family
> does
> > renew the rent, then the bodies remain for a
> longer
> > time.  Occasionally families will acquire a larger
> > site and move the scattered family members to the
> new
> > site so all the family is together.  The most
> number
> > of people I counted buried in one spot was 29, but
> > that site was wider than the majority of sites. 
> > Wealthy families have tall mausoleums where the
> family
> > is placed in the walls in vaults.  The insides of
> > these contain altars, chairs, statues, paintings,
> > candelabras, and photos of the family ? very
> elegant
> > and ornate, like a small private chapel. 
> > 
> > The whole cemetery is quite peaceful and
> emotionally
> > moving.  Most of the graves in the cemetery are
> > beautifully but simply decorated with flowers and
> > candles.  They are all kept up very nice and
> clean.  I
> > saw several families there decorating plots, or
> > washing and sweeping them.  There is no ?old?
> section
> > per se, because families are buried together, but
> the
> > section in the north part was the first part of
> the
> > cemetery built.  This was the area I photographed,
> but
> > because of the large numbers of people buried in
> each
> > plot, it took a great deal of time, and I only
> managed
> > to photograph four sections.  I have 696 photos,
> and
> > many of these have multiple people on them.  It
> will
> > take a while to transcribe all of the information
> on
> > these pictures, and the dates range from the early
> > 1900s to 2006.  Paul Caito and Sheryl Hartnet also
> did
> > some photographing, and we will be consolidating
> all
> > the pictures into one database.  
> > 
> > Thanks for your patience with this project.  I
> would
> > be happy to accept large monetary donations from
> > anyone who wants me to return and continue this. 
> > Really, I will.  No, I?m serious.  I will take
> > anybody?s money.  I?m not proud.  I want to go
> back! 
> > It may take several trips, so please contribute
> > generously and often!  I will even send you a
> postcard
> > while I?m there.
> > 
> > Still dreaming in Italian,
> > Terry
> > 
> > 
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From pjcaito at frontiernet.net  Sun Oct 15 22:46:40 2006
From: pjcaito at frontiernet.net (Paul  J. Caito)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:46:40 -0400
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
References: <20061013232716.51837.qmail@web60314.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004d01c6f092$a3352b60$6401a8c0@frontiernet.net>

One or two more additional notes on the Ardizzone Caito surname.

First, I wrote the majority of the surname history around 2001, before
I really got into going through all the LDS microfilms for the
Ardizzone Caito name.  Since that time I have examined almost all the
listings for my name in the microfilms.  While ALMOST all the listings
for my family surname is either "Ardizzone Caito," or just "Caito,"
there is a tiny, minuscule number of listings that actually have
"Caito Ardizzone."  In my surname synopsis, I wrote that it is never
found as "Caito Ardizzone," but I would have to re-evaluate that
statement in 2006.  Of all the hundreds upon hundreds of listings for
my family, there may be five or six listings of "Caito Ardizzone."
Clearly, the family used, and continues to use to this day, the
"Ardizzone Caito" name with Ardizzone appearing first.  I don't really
think "Caito Ardizzone was used to any great degree, maybe not at all,
it may have just been a quirk by the clerk in listing those handful of
documents were someone put Caito before the Ardizzone.  So, this is
just an FYI for those who asked me for the synopsis.

Second, many of you may find it interesting to look at your surname
distribution in Italy and in the USA by checking out the following
websites (which I used in my synopsis),

For Italy:
http://www.gens.labo.net/en/cognomi/genera.html?cognome=

and for the USA:

http://hamrick.com/names/

I hadn't gone to these sites since 2001 and was really surprised to
check out the USA listings for "Caito" this afternoon.  It showed a
much wider distribution of my family name today than it did back in
2001, so I may actually go back and re-write one or two paragraphs in
the synopsis based on today's new information.

Paul J. Caito
Rochester, NY


> --- "Paul  J. Caito" <pjcaito at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> > I have written a small synopsis of the Ardizzone
> > Caito surname that I
> > did for my siblings along with our family tree and I
> > will send you a
> > copy of it off-list.  It's about three pages and can
> > be opened in
> > Microsoft Word.  Ardizzone is of Germanic origin. If
> > anyone else would
> > like a copy I would be glad to send it to you if you
> > send me your
> > e-mail address.
> >
> > Paul J. Caito
> > Rochester, NY
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
> > To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:59 PM
> > Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
> >
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > > I have found the surname Ardizzone-Caito in my
> > family tree. Does
> > > anyone know the history of this hyphenated name?
> > > Franciene McDonald
> > > --
> > > Meet my amazing Italian American family: go to
> > http://www.iannarino.us.
> > >
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Sun Oct 15 23:44:16 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:44:16 -0500
Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
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Paul,

Thanks for the update for those that received the file. 

For anyone researching  the Ardizzone Caito name, you should check all 
variations - Ardizzone, Ardizzone Caito, Caito Ardizzone and Caito. 

At the present time, if you do a search for Caito-Ardizzone, * and check 
all of the search boxes, there are 13 entries in the database using this 
variation.

Laura

Paul J. Caito wrote:

>One or two more additional notes on the Ardizzone Caito surname.
>
>First, I wrote the majority of the surname history around 2001, before
>I really got into going through all the LDS microfilms for the
>Ardizzone Caito name.  Since that time I have examined almost all the
>listings for my name in the microfilms.  While ALMOST all the listings
>for my family surname is either "Ardizzone Caito," or just "Caito,"
>there is a tiny, minuscule number of listings that actually have
>"Caito Ardizzone."  In my surname synopsis, I wrote that it is never
>found as "Caito Ardizzone," but I would have to re-evaluate that
>statement in 2006.  Of all the hundreds upon hundreds of listings for
>my family, there may be five or six listings of "Caito Ardizzone."
>Clearly, the family used, and continues to use to this day, the
>"Ardizzone Caito" name with Ardizzone appearing first.  I don't really
>think "Caito Ardizzone was used to any great degree, maybe not at all,
>it may have just been a quirk by the clerk in listing those handful of
>documents were someone put Caito before the Ardizzone.  So, this is
>just an FYI for those who asked me for the synopsis.
>
>Second, many of you may find it interesting to look at your surname
>distribution in Italy and in the USA by checking out the following
>websites (which I used in my synopsis),
>
>For Italy:
>http://www.gens.labo.net/en/cognomi/genera.html?cognome=
>
>and for the USA:
>
>http://hamrick.com/names/
>
>I hadn't gone to these sites since 2001 and was really surprised to
>check out the USA listings for "Caito" this afternoon.  It showed a
>much wider distribution of my family name today than it did back in
>2001, so I may actually go back and re-write one or two paragraphs in
>the synopsis based on today's new information.
>
>Paul J. Caito
>Rochester, NY
>
>
>  
>
>>--- "Paul  J. Caito" <pjcaito at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I have written a small synopsis of the Ardizzone
>>>Caito surname that I
>>>did for my siblings along with our family tree and I
>>>will send you a
>>>copy of it off-list.  It's about three pages and can
>>>be opened in
>>>Microsoft Word.  Ardizzone is of Germanic origin. If
>>>anyone else would
>>>like a copy I would be glad to send it to you if you
>>>send me your
>>>e-mail address.
>>>
>>>Paul J. Caito
>>>Rochester, NY
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
>>>To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>>>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:59 PM
>>>Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>I have found the surname Ardizzone-Caito in my
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>family tree. Does
>>>      
>>>
>>>>anyone know the history of this hyphenated name?
>>>>Franciene McDonald
>>>>--
>>>>Meet my amazing Italian American family: go to
>>>>        
>>>>
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From pwbova at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 16 00:07:57 2006
From: pwbova at sbcglobal.net (Pwb Bova)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:07:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
In-Reply-To: <000d01c6f05b$e201b250$6601a8c0@momshp>
Message-ID: <20061015210757.2653.qmail@web81613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That is interesting.  My grandparents settled in Toledo in
about 1920.  My father went to school there with his
siblings.  When my aunt passed away in 2000 we were at
Calvary Cemetery in Toledo.  I noticed several Mercurio
headstones close by.  I wondered who they were.  

--- nell lamantia <nellie at woh.rr.com> wrote:

> Sorry - I should have re-read this before I sent it.  I
> don't know if 
> Josephine's husband August Mercurio was from Chicago or
> Toledo.  Josephine 
> lived at 910 Oakwood, Toledo, Ohio for many years.  They
> could have moved to 
> wherever August could make a living.
> Mary Lamantia Mercurio lived in Iowa for a few years then
> moved to Toledo. 
> Family story says that after Maria Delisi's husband died
> (1905), there was 
> talk of Mamie (then age 3) going to an orphanage then she
> went to Iowa and 
> lived with Mary for a few years.  I think Mary and her
> husband ran a candy 
> store in Iowa.
> The 1910 reference is to finding people in the census
> records.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "nell lamantia" <nellie at woh.rr.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
> 
> 
> > 1910 was not a good year for finding people.  I have
> looked for Josephine
> > Lamantia Mercurio for some time with no success.  Her
> husband was August
> > Mercurio, born in Italy.  Josephine's oldest child,
> Mary Mercurio, was 
> > born
> > 24 May 1910.  She had two other children, Joseph b 1911
> and Helen b 1914.
> > August died in May 1919 of influenza.
> > Josephine lived in Chicago, I don't know how she met
> her husband but her
> > half sister, Mary Lamantia, married Ed Mercurio,
> brother to August.  They
> > had no children.
> > Ed and August Mercurio had a sister named Lena.  I
> think Ed and August met
> > their future wives in Chicago since that is where Maria
> Delisi Lamantia 
> > was
> > living when Mamie and Sam Lamantia were married 14 Sep
> 1915.  Does anyone
> > have August, Ed, or Lena Mercurio in their information
> on Mercurios.
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Pwb Bova" <pwbova at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 4:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
> >
> >
> >> My grandfather's, Filippo Agostino Bova, sister named
> >> Antonina married the son of Maria D'Attilo.  I don't
> know
> >> what relationship that would be.  I have known of the
> >> Mercurio family in Chicago but never met any of them. 
> I
> >> think that Mr. Mercurio died at an early age.  I know
> that
> >> they had three sons.  I did not have the marriage date
> >> until you posted it on the certificate database.  I
> also
> >> thank you for all your hard work.  I would not know
> half of
> >> what I know about my father's family if it wasn't for
> your
> >> efforts.  I am the oldest grandchild and was able to
> listen
> >> to the stories that were told in the family but much
> of
> >> what was said was not entirely accurate.  Times and
> dates
> >> seemed to be lost.  I never knew my father was born in
> TI
> >> until his death in 1988.
> >>
> >> Phil
> >>
> >> --- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Phil,
> >>>
> >>> I cannot help you with finding the ones from Chicago
> but
> >>> I would like to
> >>> know how this ties to your tree.
> >>>
> >>> Maria D'Attilo that you mention below is the daughter
> of
> >>> my greatx3
> >>> grandmother from her second marriage to Antonino
> D'Attilo
> >>> after the
> >>> death of her first husband Saverio Sansone from
> cholera
> >>> in 1837
> >>>
> >>> Pwb Bova wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >Hi,
> >>> >
> >>> >    After reading all the emails, I am envious of
> those
> >>> who
> >>> >traveled to Sicilia. Everyone seems to have had a
> good
> >>> time
> >>> >visiting and sightseeing.
> >>> >    I am still trying to locate Mercurio cousins who
> >>> lived
> >>> >in the Chicago area.  I have a new piece of
> information
> >>> >that might be a clue to someone out there.  My
> >>> >grandfather's sister, Antonina Bova, married
> Giuseppe
> >>> >Mercurio on Sept. 16, 1901.  Giuseppe's parents were
> >>> >Gaetano Mercurio and Maria D'Attilo.  I know that
> they
> >>> came
> >>> >to America after the marriage.  They had three boys
> who
> >>> >were probably born between 1902 and 1915.  Does this
> >>> ring
> >>> >any bells out there?
> >>> >
> >>> >Thanks,
> >>> >
> >>> >Phil Bova
> >>> >
> >>> >_______________________________________________
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From nellie at woh.rr.com  Mon Oct 16 00:46:38 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:46:38 -0400
Subject: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
References: <20061015210757.2653.qmail@web81613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001101c6f0a3$670898f0$6601a8c0@momshp>

Calvary is where both Maria Delisi Lamantia and Josephine Lamantia Mercurio 
are buried.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pwb Bova" <pwbova at sbcglobal.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Chicago Mercurios


> That is interesting.  My grandparents settled in Toledo in
> about 1920.  My father went to school there with his
> siblings.  When my aunt passed away in 2000 we were at
> Calvary Cemetery in Toledo.  I noticed several Mercurio
> headstones close by.  I wondered who they were.
>
> --- nell lamantia <nellie at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry - I should have re-read this before I sent it.  I
>> don't know if
>> Josephine's husband August Mercurio was from Chicago or
>> Toledo.  Josephine
>> lived at 910 Oakwood, Toledo, Ohio for many years.  They
>> could have moved to
>> wherever August could make a living.
>> Mary Lamantia Mercurio lived in Iowa for a few years then
>> moved to Toledo.
>> Family story says that after Maria Delisi's husband died
>> (1905), there was
>> talk of Mamie (then age 3) going to an orphanage then she
>> went to Iowa and
>> lived with Mary for a few years.  I think Mary and her
>> husband ran a candy
>> store in Iowa.
>> The 1910 reference is to finding people in the census
>> records.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "nell lamantia" <nellie at woh.rr.com>
>> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 5:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
>>
>>
>> > 1910 was not a good year for finding people.  I have
>> looked for Josephine
>> > Lamantia Mercurio for some time with no success.  Her
>> husband was August
>> > Mercurio, born in Italy.  Josephine's oldest child,
>> Mary Mercurio, was
>> > born
>> > 24 May 1910.  She had two other children, Joseph b 1911
>> and Helen b 1914.
>> > August died in May 1919 of influenza.
>> > Josephine lived in Chicago, I don't know how she met
>> her husband but her
>> > half sister, Mary Lamantia, married Ed Mercurio,
>> brother to August.  They
>> > had no children.
>> > Ed and August Mercurio had a sister named Lena.  I
>> think Ed and August met
>> > their future wives in Chicago since that is where Maria
>> Delisi Lamantia
>> > was
>> > living when Mamie and Sam Lamantia were married 14 Sep
>> 1915.  Does anyone
>> > have August, Ed, or Lena Mercurio in their information
>> on Mercurios.
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Pwb Bova" <pwbova at sbcglobal.net>
>> > To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 4:11 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
>> >
>> >
>> >> My grandfather's, Filippo Agostino Bova, sister named
>> >> Antonina married the son of Maria D'Attilo.  I don't
>> know
>> >> what relationship that would be.  I have known of the
>> >> Mercurio family in Chicago but never met any of them.
>> I
>> >> think that Mr. Mercurio died at an early age.  I know
>> that
>> >> they had three sons.  I did not have the marriage date
>> >> until you posted it on the certificate database.  I
>> also
>> >> thank you for all your hard work.  I would not know
>> half of
>> >> what I know about my father's family if it wasn't for
>> your
>> >> efforts.  I am the oldest grandchild and was able to
>> listen
>> >> to the stories that were told in the family but much
>> of
>> >> what was said was not entirely accurate.  Times and
>> dates
>> >> seemed to be lost.  I never knew my father was born in
>> TI
>> >> until his death in 1988.
>> >>
>> >> Phil
>> >>
>> >> --- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Phil,
>> >>>
>> >>> I cannot help you with finding the ones from Chicago
>> but
>> >>> I would like to
>> >>> know how this ties to your tree.
>> >>>
>> >>> Maria D'Attilo that you mention below is the daughter
>> of
>> >>> my greatx3
>> >>> grandmother from her second marriage to Antonino
>> D'Attilo
>> >>> after the
>> >>> death of her first husband Saverio Sansone from
>> cholera
>> >>> in 1837
>> >>>
>> >>> Pwb Bova wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >Hi,
>> >>> >
>> >>> >    After reading all the emails, I am envious of
>> those
>> >>> who
>> >>> >traveled to Sicilia. Everyone seems to have had a
>> good
>> >>> time
>> >>> >visiting and sightseeing.
>> >>> >    I am still trying to locate Mercurio cousins who
>> >>> lived
>> >>> >in the Chicago area.  I have a new piece of
>> information
>> >>> >that might be a clue to someone out there.  My
>> >>> >grandfather's sister, Antonina Bova, married
>> Giuseppe
>> >>> >Mercurio on Sept. 16, 1901.  Giuseppe's parents were
>> >>> >Gaetano Mercurio and Maria D'Attilo.  I know that
>> they
>> >>> came
>> >>> >to America after the marriage.  They had three boys
>> who
>> >>> >were probably born between 1902 and 1915.  Does this
>> >>> ring
>> >>> >any bells out there?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Thanks,
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Phil Bova
>> >>> >
>> >>> >_______________________________________________
>> >>> >TerminiImerese mailing list
>> >>> >TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> >>>
>>
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>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
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From pwbova at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 16 16:05:48 2006
From: pwbova at sbcglobal.net (Pwb Bova)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:05:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
In-Reply-To: <001101c6f0a3$670898f0$6601a8c0@momshp>
Message-ID: <20061016130548.19870.qmail@web81614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Small world.  

--- nell lamantia <nellie at woh.rr.com> wrote:

> Calvary is where both Maria Delisi Lamantia and Josephine
> Lamantia Mercurio 
> are buried.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pwb Bova" <pwbova at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 5:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
> 
> 
> > That is interesting.  My grandparents settled in Toledo
> in
> > about 1920.  My father went to school there with his
> > siblings.  When my aunt passed away in 2000 we were at
> > Calvary Cemetery in Toledo.  I noticed several Mercurio
> > headstones close by.  I wondered who they were.
> >
> > --- nell lamantia <nellie at woh.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry - I should have re-read this before I sent it. 
> I
> >> don't know if
> >> Josephine's husband August Mercurio was from Chicago
> or
> >> Toledo.  Josephine
> >> lived at 910 Oakwood, Toledo, Ohio for many years. 
> They
> >> could have moved to
> >> wherever August could make a living.
> >> Mary Lamantia Mercurio lived in Iowa for a few years
> then
> >> moved to Toledo.
> >> Family story says that after Maria Delisi's husband
> died
> >> (1905), there was
> >> talk of Mamie (then age 3) going to an orphanage then
> she
> >> went to Iowa and
> >> lived with Mary for a few years.  I think Mary and her
> >> husband ran a candy
> >> store in Iowa.
> >> The 1910 reference is to finding people in the census
> >> records.
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "nell lamantia" <nellie at woh.rr.com>
> >> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 5:21 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
> >>
> >>
> >> > 1910 was not a good year for finding people.  I have
> >> looked for Josephine
> >> > Lamantia Mercurio for some time with no success. 
> Her
> >> husband was August
> >> > Mercurio, born in Italy.  Josephine's oldest child,
> >> Mary Mercurio, was
> >> > born
> >> > 24 May 1910.  She had two other children, Joseph b
> 1911
> >> and Helen b 1914.
> >> > August died in May 1919 of influenza.
> >> > Josephine lived in Chicago, I don't know how she met
> >> her husband but her
> >> > half sister, Mary Lamantia, married Ed Mercurio,
> >> brother to August.  They
> >> > had no children.
> >> > Ed and August Mercurio had a sister named Lena.  I
> >> think Ed and August met
> >> > their future wives in Chicago since that is where
> Maria
> >> Delisi Lamantia
> >> > was
> >> > living when Mamie and Sam Lamantia were married 14
> Sep
> >> 1915.  Does anyone
> >> > have August, Ed, or Lena Mercurio in their
> information
> >> on Mercurios.
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> > From: "Pwb Bova" <pwbova at sbcglobal.net>
> >> > To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> >> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 4:11 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [TI] Chicago Mercurios
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> My grandfather's, Filippo Agostino Bova, sister
> named
> >> >> Antonina married the son of Maria D'Attilo.  I
> don't
> >> know
> >> >> what relationship that would be.  I have known of
> the
> >> >> Mercurio family in Chicago but never met any of
> them.
> >> I
> >> >> think that Mr. Mercurio died at an early age.  I
> know
> >> that
> >> >> they had three sons.  I did not have the marriage
> date
> >> >> until you posted it on the certificate database.  I
> >> also
> >> >> thank you for all your hard work.  I would not know
> >> half of
> >> >> what I know about my father's family if it wasn't
> for
> >> your
> >> >> efforts.  I am the oldest grandchild and was able
> to
> >> listen
> >> >> to the stories that were told in the family but
> much
> >> of
> >> >> what was said was not entirely accurate.  Times and
> >> dates
> >> >> seemed to be lost.  I never knew my father was born
> in
> >> TI
> >> >> until his death in 1988.
> >> >>
> >> >> Phil
> >> >>
> >> >> --- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Phil,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I cannot help you with finding the ones from
> Chicago
> >> but
> >> >>> I would like to
> >> >>> know how this ties to your tree.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Maria D'Attilo that you mention below is the
> daughter
> >> of
> >> >>> my greatx3
> >> >>> grandmother from her second marriage to Antonino
> >> D'Attilo
> >> >>> after the
> >> >>> death of her first husband Saverio Sansone from
> >> cholera
> >> >>> in 1837
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Pwb Bova wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >Hi,
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >    After reading all the emails, I am envious of
> >> those
> >> >>> who
> >> >>> >traveled to Sicilia. Everyone seems to have had a
> >> good
> >> >>> time
> >> >>> >visiting and sightseeing.
> >> >>> >    I am still trying to locate Mercurio cousins
> who
> >> >>> lived
> >> >>> >in the Chicago area.  I have a new piece of
> >> information
> >> >>> >that might be a clue to someone out there.  My
> >> >>> >grandfather's sister, Antonina Bova, married
> >> Giuseppe
> >> >>> >Mercurio on Sept. 16, 1901.  Giuseppe's parents
> were
> >> >>> >Gaetano Mercurio and Maria D'Attilo.  I know that
> >> they
> >> >>> came
> >> >>> >to America after the marriage.  They had three
> boys
> >> who
> >> >>> >were probably born between 1902 and 1915.  Does
> this
> >> >>> ring
> >> >>> >any bells out there?
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Thanks,
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Phil Bova
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >_______________________________________________
> >> >>> >TerminiImerese mailing list
> >> >>> >TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >> >>>
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> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 17 05:52:42 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:52:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] More Pictures sections added / Duomo Pics!
In-Reply-To: <4531074F.2050709@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <20061017025242.51125.qmail@web60321.mail.yahoo.com>

Laura,

What a wonderful job you have done with the pictures!
I especially appreciated your remarkably detailed
photos of the Duomo. How did you remember all the
shots in the Duomo? You must have been taking very
detailed notes along with each photo or else your
memory is astonishing. (I suspect both!)

If I may provide one labeling hint: The last group of
Duomo pictures you had labeled as the "Back Room".
However, if this was the room where the priests keep
the chalices and priest's vestments, etc. then it is
usually referred to as a "sacristy" (assuming you want
to use precise terminology which to your credit you
have done perfectly on all the other Duomo picture
groups). 

I look forward to the rest of the pictures! Wonderful
job, Laura! 

Ken Geraci

--- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:

> I have added more pictures and new sections to the
> photos from the 
> reunion.  Still have lots more to add.
> 
> I still need pictures of meeting family and
> ancestral homes for that 
> section and any street name pictures.
> 
>
http://www.termini-imerese.org/Reunion/2006TI/Reunion2006.htm
> 
> NEW SECTIONS ADDED:
> Amphitheatre
> Market
> Flea Market
> Nightlife in Piazza del Duomo
> Statues and Fountains
> Stato Civile
> Food, Food and More Food!
> Farming
> Miscellaneous Sites
> Cars
> Priests of the Duomo
> 
> MORE PICTURES ADDED TO THESE SECTIONS:
> Rooftop Party after Gala Dinner
> 
> 
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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 17 06:04:16 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:04:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] DiVittorio-Candiaoto-Ciofalo
In-Reply-To: <030e01c6eff4$63610840$6400a8c0@Rosalie>
Message-ID: <20061017030416.85424.qmail@web60325.mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know anything about any Ciofalo's in
Washington, DC? I have an old photo (1915?) which
mentions a Ciofalo cousin in Washington, DC on the
back. My Marcellino cousins told me they knew the
Ciofalo's but noone knows how we are connected to
them!

Ken Geraci

--- Rosalie <mygirl at ctc.net> wrote:

> Joan Petrulis sent a message Aug 22, 2006.
> Asking about Giuseppa Candioto married to Agostino
> DiVittorio.  Their 
> daughter Giuseppa married Michael Ciofalo.  Their
> daughter Maria Ciofalo 
> married you grandfather Vincenzo Indovina.
> 
> I have not found a connection to Giuseppa Candioto. 
> I have a Agostino 
> DiVittorio born 20 Aug 1833 father Antonio
> DiVittorio mother Grazia Navarra. 
> Grazia had a brother Giuseppe and a sister Anna
> Navarra.  Father Vincenzo 
> Carmelo Navarra.  No other info on Agostino.
> 
> Agostino DiVittorio's brothers and sisters:
> 
> Salvadore DiVittorio b: 6 Oct 1822.
> 
> Rosaria DiVittorio  b:19 April 1825 married 21 Oct
> 1849  Nunzio Russo father 
> Andrea Russo mother Anna Caverna.
> 
> Salvadore DiVittorio b: 25 Nov 1827.
> 
> Carmelo DiVittorio b: 6 Sept 1830 married 17 Oct
> 1861 Vincenza Arrio father 
> Giuseppe mother Maria Battaglia.
> 
> Agostino Giuseppe DiVittorio b: 20 Aug 1833.
> 
> Candita DiVittorio b: 22 April 1836.
> 
> Ferdinando DiVittorio b: 28 July 1839 died: 14 Aug
> 1846.
> 
> Rosalia Caterina DiVittorio b: 10 July 1841 married
> 4 Sept 1864 Agostino 
> Russo father Andrea Russo mother Anna Caverna.
> 
> Caterina DiVittorio 6 Dec 1845 married Antonino
> Mangione father Filippo 
> Mangione mother Flavia Cortese.
> 
> Candita DiVittorio 13 Oct 1861 married Antonino
> Catanzaro father Giuseppe 
> Catanzaro mother Filippa Capone.
> _________________________________________________
> The Candioto is about as long also.
> Father is Pietrio Candioto mother Girolama
> Mirabella.
> 
> Rosalia Agostina Candioto b:16 Jan 1837.
> 
> Francesca Maria Agostina Candioto b: 28 March 1839.
> 
> Giuseppe Candioto b: 10 Oct 1843.
> 
> Marghirata Agostina Candioto b: 22 June 1841 died:
> 28 Aug 1842.
> 
> Ignazio Candioto b: 31 July 1847.
> 
> Margarita Candioto b: 20 Jan 1846 died: 22 Sept
> 1846.
> 
> Agostina Antonina Candioto b: 9 Jan 1849 married
> Salvatore Vitale father 
> Carmela Vitale mother Benedetta Mileto.
> 
> Salvadore Candioto b: 25 Dec 1850.
> 
> Antonina Candioto 20 March 1879 married 29 Dec 1877
> Carmelo Vitale father 
> Salvadore Vitale mother Filippa Demma.
> 
> With so many brothers and sisters it's really a
> tangled web that was weaved. 
> This is as best that I could do.  If you see any
> thing please let me know.
> Rosalie Amison
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 17 06:13:49 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:13:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Paul Caito  / US site for surname distribution
In-Reply-To: <004d01c6f092$a3352b60$6401a8c0@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <20061017031349.41055.qmail@web60316.mail.yahoo.com>

Paul,

I had never seen the "Hamrick Software" surname
distribution website that you mentioned below as a
tool for checking US surname distribution. Very
interesting!

You mentioned the Italian version of GENS but were you
aware that they, too, also have a United States
website? You can check your surname distribution in
this country and it seems very detailed although they
don't have the historical distribution info like
Hamrick. Still, check out:

http://www.gens-us.net/map/genera.html (US site)

Ken

--- "Paul  J. Caito" <pjcaito at frontiernet.net> wrote:

> One or two more additional notes on the Ardizzone
> Caito surname.
> 
> First, I wrote the majority of the surname history
> around 2001, before
> I really got into going through all the LDS
> microfilms for the
> Ardizzone Caito name.  Since that time I have
> examined almost all the
> listings for my name in the microfilms.  While
> ALMOST all the listings
> for my family surname is either "Ardizzone Caito,"
> or just "Caito,"
> there is a tiny, minuscule number of listings that
> actually have
> "Caito Ardizzone."  In my surname synopsis, I wrote
> that it is never
> found as "Caito Ardizzone," but I would have to
> re-evaluate that
> statement in 2006.  Of all the hundreds upon
> hundreds of listings for
> my family, there may be five or six listings of
> "Caito Ardizzone."
> Clearly, the family used, and continues to use to
> this day, the
> "Ardizzone Caito" name with Ardizzone appearing
> first.  I don't really
> think "Caito Ardizzone was used to any great degree,
> maybe not at all,
> it may have just been a quirk by the clerk in
> listing those handful of
> documents were someone put Caito before the
> Ardizzone.  So, this is
> just an FYI for those who asked me for the synopsis.
> 
> Second, many of you may find it interesting to look
> at your surname
> distribution in Italy and in the USA by checking out
> the following
> websites (which I used in my synopsis),
> 
> For Italy:
>
http://www.gens.labo.net/en/cognomi/genera.html?cognome=
> 
> and for the USA:
> 
> http://hamrick.com/names/
> 
> I hadn't gone to these sites since 2001 and was
> really surprised to
> check out the USA listings for "Caito" this
> afternoon.  It showed a
> much wider distribution of my family name today than
> it did back in
> 2001, so I may actually go back and re-write one or
> two paragraphs in
> the synopsis based on today's new information.
> 
> Paul J. Caito
> Rochester, NY
> 
> 
> > --- "Paul  J. Caito" <pjcaito at frontiernet.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I have written a small synopsis of the Ardizzone
> > > Caito surname that I
> > > did for my siblings along with our family tree
> and I
> > > will send you a
> > > copy of it off-list.  It's about three pages and
> can
> > > be opened in
> > > Microsoft Word.  Ardizzone is of Germanic
> origin. If
> > > anyone else would
> > > like a copy I would be glad to send it to you if
> you
> > > send me your
> > > e-mail address.
> > >
> > > Paul J. Caito
> > > Rochester, NY
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
> > > To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:59 PM
> > > Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > I have found the surname Ardizzone-Caito in my
> > > family tree. Does
> > > > anyone know the history of this hyphenated
> name?
> > > > Franciene McDonald
> > > > --
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> > > http://www.iannarino.us.
> > > >
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Tue Oct 17 12:46:09 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 04:46:09 -0500
Subject: [TI] More Pictures sections added / Duomo Pics!
In-Reply-To: <20061017025242.51125.qmail@web60321.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20061017025242.51125.qmail@web60321.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4534A661.8070702@madisontelco.com>

Ken

I must confess................I didn't take one note at the Duomo and my 
memory isn't that remarkable.

In fact, Madaleine Gill had sent me a booklet entitled "La Maggior 
Chiesa of Termini Imerese, Percorso storico-artistico" a few years ago.  
So I knew to take my pictures in order of the way the pictures in the 
order that they were labeled on the floor plan (Be sure to check the 
floor plan section as it gives the layout of the church.  I bought a 
second copy of the booklet when I was at the Duomo as my original copy 
is pretty dog-eared from looking at it so many times.  I believe I only 
paid 3 Euro for it.

I am in the process of translating the details from the history of the 
construction and architecture of the Duomo from this book.  It also has 
a small section to be translated for each of the cappella's.  The book 
is 23 pages long.

I also bought another book entitled "Breve Storia della Chiesa di 
Termini Imerese" by Salvatore Arrigo which is 125 pages.  This book also 
lists the priest of the Duomo and a bit more detailed story of the 
Duomo.  Then it has sections listing all of the churches and who the 
priests of them were and which churches were under that priest's care 
from 1905 to 1994.  This book will take much longer to translate

As to the backroom, I am not sure this was the sacristy.  I didn't see 
any vestments, etc in this room.  If any of the others think this is the 
sacristy, please let me know and I would be glad to change the title of 
that section.

Ken Geraci wrote:

>Laura,
>
>What a wonderful job you have done with the pictures!
>I especially appreciated your remarkably detailed
>photos of the Duomo. How did you remember all the
>shots in the Duomo? You must have been taking very
>detailed notes along with each photo or else your
>memory is astonishing. (I suspect both!)
>
>If I may provide one labeling hint: The last group of
>Duomo pictures you had labeled as the "Back Room".
>However, if this was the room where the priests keep
>the chalices and priest's vestments, etc. then it is
>usually referred to as a "sacristy" (assuming you want
>to use precise terminology which to your credit you
>have done perfectly on all the other Duomo picture
>groups). 
>
>I look forward to the rest of the pictures! Wonderful
>job, Laura! 
>
>Ken Geraci
>
>--- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I have added more pictures and new sections to the
>>photos from the 
>>reunion.  Still have lots more to add.
>>
>>I still need pictures of meeting family and
>>ancestral homes for that 
>>section and any street name pictures.
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>http://www.termini-imerese.org/Reunion/2006TI/Reunion2006.htm
>  
>
>>NEW SECTIONS ADDED:
>>Amphitheatre
>>Market
>>Flea Market
>>Nightlife in Piazza del Duomo
>>Statues and Fountains
>>Stato Civile
>>Food, Food and More Food!
>>Farming
>>Miscellaneous Sites
>>Cars
>>Priests of the Duomo
>>
>>MORE PICTURES ADDED TO THESE SECTIONS:
>>Rooftop Party after Gala Dinner
>>
>>
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From corielind at msn.com  Tue Oct 17 14:25:14 2006
From: corielind at msn.com (Corie Lindemann)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 06:25:14 -0500
Subject: [TI] More Pictures sections added / Duomo Pics!
References: <20061017025242.51125.qmail@web60321.mail.yahoo.com>
	<4534A661.8070702@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-DAV4D570A7B7F284CC4524DDB80E0@phx.gbl>

Laura and Ken,
I don't think this was the sacristy. No sign of the usual vestments etc. It 
was more like a meeting room. It was lined with all the portraits of priests 
and had a spectacular view of the city. Very cool!
Yes, I think I got the best "souvenirs" from the Duomo. I, too, bought the 
history book and one other and some wonderful rosaries and other religious 
articles for my daughters and my mom. I also got a nice little ceramic 
replica of the Madonna with an inscription that says "bless this house" in 
Italian. It's hanging in the kitchen now!
Was hoping to find my ancestor, Domenico Quattrocchi in the priest sections 
of the book, but no luck so far.

Corie


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laura Johnson" <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] More Pictures sections added / Duomo Pics!


> Ken
>
> I must confess................I didn't take one note at the Duomo and my
> memory isn't that remarkable.
>
> In fact, Madaleine Gill had sent me a booklet entitled "La Maggior
> Chiesa of Termini Imerese, Percorso storico-artistico" a few years ago.
> So I knew to take my pictures in order of the way the pictures in the
> order that they were labeled on the floor plan (Be sure to check the
> floor plan section as it gives the layout of the church.  I bought a
> second copy of the booklet when I was at the Duomo as my original copy
> is pretty dog-eared from looking at it so many times.  I believe I only
> paid 3 Euro for it.
>
> I am in the process of translating the details from the history of the
> construction and architecture of the Duomo from this book.  It also has
> a small section to be translated for each of the cappella's.  The book
> is 23 pages long.
>
> I also bought another book entitled "Breve Storia della Chiesa di
> Termini Imerese" by Salvatore Arrigo which is 125 pages.  This book also
> lists the priest of the Duomo and a bit more detailed story of the
> Duomo.  Then it has sections listing all of the churches and who the
> priests of them were and which churches were under that priest's care
> from 1905 to 1994.  This book will take much longer to translate
>
> As to the backroom, I am not sure this was the sacristy.  I didn't see
> any vestments, etc in this room.  If any of the others think this is the
> sacristy, please let me know and I would be glad to change the title of
> that section.
>
> Ken Geraci wrote:
>
> >Laura,
> >
> >What a wonderful job you have done with the pictures!
> >I especially appreciated your remarkably detailed
> >photos of the Duomo. How did you remember all the
> >shots in the Duomo? You must have been taking very
> >detailed notes along with each photo or else your
> >memory is astonishing. (I suspect both!)
> >
> >If I may provide one labeling hint: The last group of
> >Duomo pictures you had labeled as the "Back Room".
> >However, if this was the room where the priests keep
> >the chalices and priest's vestments, etc. then it is
> >usually referred to as a "sacristy" (assuming you want
> >to use precise terminology which to your credit you
> >have done perfectly on all the other Duomo picture
> >groups).
> >
> >I look forward to the rest of the pictures! Wonderful
> >job, Laura!
> >
> >Ken Geraci
> >
> >--- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>I have added more pictures and new sections to the
> >>photos from the
> >>reunion.  Still have lots more to add.
> >>
> >>I still need pictures of meeting family and
> >>ancestral homes for that
> >>section and any street name pictures.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >http://www.termini-imerese.org/Reunion/2006TI/Reunion2006.htm
> >
> >
> >>NEW SECTIONS ADDED:
> >>Amphitheatre
> >>Market
> >>Flea Market
> >>Nightlife in Piazza del Duomo
> >>Statues and Fountains
> >>Stato Civile
> >>Food, Food and More Food!
> >>Farming
> >>Miscellaneous Sites
> >>Cars
> >>Priests of the Duomo
> >>
> >>MORE PICTURES ADDED TO THESE SECTIONS:
> >>Rooftop Party after Gala Dinner
> >>
> >>
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From franthony at trappist.net  Tue Oct 17 15:17:23 2006
From: franthony at trappist.net (Fr. Anthony Delisi)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:17:23 -0400
Subject: [TI] More Pictures sections added / Duomo Pics!
In-Reply-To: <4534A661.8070702@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <004401c6f1e6$369f9d00$6d01a8c0@109anthny>

Dear Laura,

Indeed the photos of; the Duomo were good.  You even took photos of some
statues that are chipped, poor quality, and plaster of Paris.  Not
everything in that church is worthy of praise.   Some of the more beautiful
statues carved in marble are relegated to the background. The "back room",
if I remember correctly, is also used for a sacristy.  That is the place
where the clergy gathered for the procession.

Were you able to see any of the burial crypts under some of the older
churches?

PAX. fr. Anthony Delisi.

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Laura
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:46 AM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] More Pictures sections added / Duomo Pics!

Ken

I must confess................I didn't take one note at the Duomo and my 
memory isn't that remarkable.

In fact, Madaleine Gill had sent me a booklet entitled "La Maggior 
Chiesa of Termini Imerese, Percorso storico-artistico" a few years ago.  
So I knew to take my pictures in order of the way the pictures in the 
order that they were labeled on the floor plan (Be sure to check the 
floor plan section as it gives the layout of the church.  I bought a 
second copy of the booklet when I was at the Duomo as my original copy 
is pretty dog-eared from looking at it so many times.  I believe I only 
paid 3 Euro for it.

I am in the process of translating the details from the history of the 
construction and architecture of the Duomo from this book.  It also has 
a small section to be translated for each of the cappella's.  The book 
is 23 pages long.

I also bought another book entitled "Breve Storia della Chiesa di 
Termini Imerese" by Salvatore Arrigo which is 125 pages.  This book also 
lists the priest of the Duomo and a bit more detailed story of the 
Duomo.  Then it has sections listing all of the churches and who the 
priests of them were and which churches were under that priest's care 
from 1905 to 1994.  This book will take much longer to translate

As to the backroom, I am not sure this was the sacristy.  I didn't see 
any vestments, etc in this room.  If any of the others think this is the 
sacristy, please let me know and I would be glad to change the title of 
that section.

Ken Geraci wrote:

>Laura,
>
>What a wonderful job you have done with the pictures!
>I especially appreciated your remarkably detailed
>photos of the Duomo. How did you remember all the
>shots in the Duomo? You must have been taking very
>detailed notes along with each photo or else your
>memory is astonishing. (I suspect both!)
>
>If I may provide one labeling hint: The last group of
>Duomo pictures you had labeled as the "Back Room".
>However, if this was the room where the priests keep
>the chalices and priest's vestments, etc. then it is
>usually referred to as a "sacristy" (assuming you want
>to use precise terminology which to your credit you
>have done perfectly on all the other Duomo picture
>groups). 
>
>I look forward to the rest of the pictures! Wonderful
>job, Laura! 
>
>Ken Geraci
>
>--- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I have added more pictures and new sections to the
>>photos from the 
>>reunion.  Still have lots more to add.
>>
>>I still need pictures of meeting family and
>>ancestral homes for that 
>>section and any street name pictures.
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>http://www.termini-imerese.org/Reunion/2006TI/Reunion2006.htm
>  
>
>>NEW SECTIONS ADDED:
>>Amphitheatre
>>Market
>>Flea Market
>>Nightlife in Piazza del Duomo
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From erinsmom at gmail.com  Tue Oct 17 16:20:17 2006
From: erinsmom at gmail.com (erinsmom)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:20:17 -0500
Subject: [TI] Paul Caito / US site for surname distribution
In-Reply-To: <20061017031349.41055.qmail@web60316.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <004d01c6f092$a3352b60$6401a8c0@frontiernet.net>
	<20061017031349.41055.qmail@web60316.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <135790bb0610170620k9767abboea1dbbaf0f913c8c@mail.gmail.com>

Ken,
That site for the american distribution of family names was real helpful.
Thank you.
Franciene

On 10/16/06, Ken Geraci <ken_geraci at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Paul,
>
> I had never seen the "Hamrick Software" surname
> distribution website that you mentioned below as a
> tool for checking US surname distribution. Very
> interesting!
>
> You mentioned the Italian version of GENS but were you
> aware that they, too, also have a United States
> website? You can check your surname distribution in
> this country and it seems very detailed although they
> don't have the historical distribution info like
> Hamrick. Still, check out:
>
> http://www.gens-us.net/map/genera.html (US site)
>
> Ken
>
> --- "Paul  J. Caito" <pjcaito at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> > One or two more additional notes on the Ardizzone
> > Caito surname.
> >
> > First, I wrote the majority of the surname history
> > around 2001, before
> > I really got into going through all the LDS
> > microfilms for the
> > Ardizzone Caito name.  Since that time I have
> > examined almost all the
> > listings for my name in the microfilms.  While
> > ALMOST all the listings
> > for my family surname is either "Ardizzone Caito,"
> > or just "Caito,"
> > there is a tiny, minuscule number of listings that
> > actually have
> > "Caito Ardizzone."  In my surname synopsis, I wrote
> > that it is never
> > found as "Caito Ardizzone," but I would have to
> > re-evaluate that
> > statement in 2006.  Of all the hundreds upon
> > hundreds of listings for
> > my family, there may be five or six listings of
> > "Caito Ardizzone."
> > Clearly, the family used, and continues to use to
> > this day, the
> > "Ardizzone Caito" name with Ardizzone appearing
> > first.  I don't really
> > think "Caito Ardizzone was used to any great degree,
> > maybe not at all,
> > it may have just been a quirk by the clerk in
> > listing those handful of
> > documents were someone put Caito before the
> > Ardizzone.  So, this is
> > just an FYI for those who asked me for the synopsis.
> >
> > Second, many of you may find it interesting to look
> > at your surname
> > distribution in Italy and in the USA by checking out
> > the following
> > websites (which I used in my synopsis),
> >
> > For Italy:
> >
> http://www.gens.labo.net/en/cognomi/genera.html?cognome=
> >
> > and for the USA:
> >
> > http://hamrick.com/names/
> >
> > I hadn't gone to these sites since 2001 and was
> > really surprised to
> > check out the USA listings for "Caito" this
> > afternoon.  It showed a
> > much wider distribution of my family name today than
> > it did back in
> > 2001, so I may actually go back and re-write one or
> > two paragraphs in
> > the synopsis based on today's new information.
> >
> > Paul J. Caito
> > Rochester, NY
> >
> >
> > > --- "Paul  J. Caito" <pjcaito at frontiernet.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have written a small synopsis of the Ardizzone
> > > > Caito surname that I
> > > > did for my siblings along with our family tree
> > and I
> > > > will send you a
> > > > copy of it off-list.  It's about three pages and
> > can
> > > > be opened in
> > > > Microsoft Word.  Ardizzone is of Germanic
> > origin. If
> > > > anyone else would
> > > > like a copy I would be glad to send it to you if
> > you
> > > > send me your
> > > > e-mail address.
> > > >
> > > > Paul J. Caito
> > > > Rochester, NY
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
> > > > To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:59 PM
> > > > Subject: [TI] Ardizzone-Caito
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > I have found the surname Ardizzone-Caito in my
> > > > family tree. Does
> > > > > anyone know the history of this hyphenated
> > name?
> > > > > Franciene McDonald
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From corielind at msn.com  Wed Oct 18 00:45:42 2006
From: corielind at msn.com (Corie Lindemann)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:45:42 -0500
Subject: [TI] More Pictures sections added / Duomo Pics!
References: <004401c6f1e6$369f9d00$6d01a8c0@109anthny>
Message-ID: <BAY108-DAV16D132E23F9E696707738BB80E0@phx.gbl>

Father,
I stand corrected! You've spent more time than I in the back of churches! I 
really liked that room with the tall ceiling and the portraits of the 
priests hung around the walls. Very different from the sacristy at our 
churches! And the view was amazing.
I, too, was struck by the variation in the statues around the Duomo...and 
there were so many of them!

Corie




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fr. Anthony Delisi" <franthony at trappist.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] More Pictures sections added / Duomo Pics!


> Dear Laura,
>
> Indeed the photos of; the Duomo were good.  You even took photos of some
> statues that are chipped, poor quality, and plaster of Paris.  Not
> everything in that church is worthy of praise.   Some of the more 
> beautiful
> statues carved in marble are relegated to the background. The "back room",
> if I remember correctly, is also used for a sacristy.  That is the place
> where the clergy gathered for the procession.
>
> Were you able to see any of the burial crypts under some of the older
> churches?
>
> PAX. fr. Anthony Delisi.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Laura
> Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:46 AM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] More Pictures sections added / Duomo Pics!
>
> Ken
>
> I must confess................I didn't take one note at the Duomo and my
> memory isn't that remarkable.
>
> In fact, Madaleine Gill had sent me a booklet entitled "La Maggior
> Chiesa of Termini Imerese, Percorso storico-artistico" a few years ago.
> So I knew to take my pictures in order of the way the pictures in the
> order that they were labeled on the floor plan (Be sure to check the
> floor plan section as it gives the layout of the church.  I bought a
> second copy of the booklet when I was at the Duomo as my original copy
> is pretty dog-eared from looking at it so many times.  I believe I only
> paid 3 Euro for it.
>
> I am in the process of translating the details from the history of the
> construction and architecture of the Duomo from this book.  It also has
> a small section to be translated for each of the cappella's.  The book
> is 23 pages long.
>
> I also bought another book entitled "Breve Storia della Chiesa di
> Termini Imerese" by Salvatore Arrigo which is 125 pages.  This book also
> lists the priest of the Duomo and a bit more detailed story of the
> Duomo.  Then it has sections listing all of the churches and who the
> priests of them were and which churches were under that priest's care
> from 1905 to 1994.  This book will take much longer to translate
>
> As to the backroom, I am not sure this was the sacristy.  I didn't see
> any vestments, etc in this room.  If any of the others think this is the
> sacristy, please let me know and I would be glad to change the title of
> that section.
>
> Ken Geraci wrote:
>
> >Laura,
> >
> >What a wonderful job you have done with the pictures!
> >I especially appreciated your remarkably detailed
> >photos of the Duomo. How did you remember all the
> >shots in the Duomo? You must have been taking very
> >detailed notes along with each photo or else your
> >memory is astonishing. (I suspect both!)
> >
> >If I may provide one labeling hint: The last group of
> >Duomo pictures you had labeled as the "Back Room".
> >However, if this was the room where the priests keep
> >the chalices and priest's vestments, etc. then it is
> >usually referred to as a "sacristy" (assuming you want
> >to use precise terminology which to your credit you
> >have done perfectly on all the other Duomo picture
> >groups).
> >
> >I look forward to the rest of the pictures! Wonderful
> >job, Laura!
> >
> >Ken Geraci
> >
> >--- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>I have added more pictures and new sections to the
> >>photos from the
> >>reunion.  Still have lots more to add.
> >>
> >>I still need pictures of meeting family and
> >>ancestral homes for that
> >>section and any street name pictures.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >http://www.termini-imerese.org/Reunion/2006TI/Reunion2006.htm
> >
> >
> >>NEW SECTIONS ADDED:
> >>Amphitheatre
> >>Market
> >>Flea Market
> >>Nightlife in Piazza del Duomo
> >>Statues and Fountains
> >>Stato Civile
> >>Food, Food and More Food!
> >>Farming
> >>Miscellaneous Sites
> >>Cars
> >>Priests of the Duomo
> >>
> >>MORE PICTURES ADDED TO THESE SECTIONS:
> >>Rooftop Party after Gala Dinner
> >>
> >>
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From corielind at msn.com  Wed Oct 18 01:05:07 2006
From: corielind at msn.com (Corie Lindemann)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:05:07 -0500
Subject: [TI] standing around talking
References: <004401c6f1e6$369f9d00$6d01a8c0@109anthny>
Message-ID: <BAY108-DAV4CB666D9C113E659BA9B1B80E0@phx.gbl>

Another thing that struck me about life in Termini Imerese was the groups of 
men standing around talking... everywhere! When I woke up, I'd look out and 
see the men gathered in a small group in front of Catalano's Bar on the 
corner. They would be having an animated discussion (I discovered there is 
really no other type in Sicily!)for hours!! Come back at noon... still a 
group (larger now) of men talking. They would leave at 1 for a few hours in 
the afternoon and BOOM, they'd be back all evening... TALKING.  Never any 
women. Never sitting. Always standing and talking. Sometimes the 
neighborhood boys would be playing in the piazza nearby starting to model 
that behavior, I imagine.
This was mirrored up by the Piazza del Duomo... and down by the park near 
the port... and at Piazza Umberto. It didn't seem to matter what day of the 
week it was. I started to wonder what the men did for a living, if they 
rotated shifts for the piazza chats, or if it was the same guys all day each 
day. Were they taking a break from fishing? or farming? What could they be 
talking about for that long each day? Was it politics? Work? Family? Sports? 
I find it hard to imagine my husband carrying on conversations with a group 
of men for that long each day (especially without a football game on in 
front of them!) (sorry, don't mean to be sexist -- just seems like women 
talk more than men in my corner of the world! maybe its all those quiet 
Scandinavians in Minnesota)
I would see the women sitting outside their respective house doors talking 
with other women who were sitting in front of their doors down the street, 
or the women were sweeping the street/alley/sidewalk in front of their door, 
or hanging the clothes out on the balcony and chatting with the women on the 
next balcony or across the street.  The women didn't seem to gather in 
public nearly as much as the men.
And the town was rarely quiet. You could constantly hear conversations 
wafting up from the streets and windows, even as we sat on the hotel roof 
garden.
Just another interesting take on the culture of Termini. It was just 
fascinating!

Corie


 




From anniegoe at fyi.net  Wed Oct 18 01:15:23 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:15:23 -0400
Subject: [TI] Help with an Italian name pronunciation
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.82$.003b01c6f239$bee56480$429a50ce@DJZBSK81>

My niece had a baby yesterday and is naming her for my Sister Rosie who is 
deceased.
Her given name was   ROSALIA    I think!  Not Roselia?   Not sure!
We called her Rosie, she went by Rose.
My niece and her Mother are arguing over the name.
She wants the pronunciation as  RO  ZAL IA.
Not ROSALEEA
Above I wrote the names phonetically.
What is the correct spelling for the way she wants to call her?
Does anyone know?  Yesterday  we read the tombstone Tony Massara found in 
Termini, the same day the Baby was born.  She was always naming her that 
name.  But finding  the name on the tombstone and it's spelled Rosalia like 
she is naming her was awesome.
Ann 




From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 17 17:35:26 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:35:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Fr. Anthony/ Sacristy
In-Reply-To: <004401c6f1e6$369f9d00$6d01a8c0@109anthny>
Message-ID: <20061017143526.29426.qmail@web60318.mail.yahoo.com>

Fr. Anthony,

Speaking of the Duomo's back room or sacristy... I
have a question... what makes a sacristy a sacristy? 

Is it the functionality of being used as the room
where the priests gather, dress and prepare for a Mass
or a  procession or instead, is it the functionality
of being a storage place for holy things (vestments,
chalices, etc) used for the Mass? Or is the word
"sacristy" used to describe any room where any
combination of these sorts of functions occur? I don't
know if there is an official definition but I thought
I ask out of curiosity.

Ken

--- "Fr. Anthony Delisi" <franthony at trappist.net>
wrote:

> Dear Laura,
> 
> Indeed the photos of; the Duomo were good.  You even
> took photos of some
> statues that are chipped, poor quality, and plaster
> of Paris.  Not
> everything in that church is worthy of praise.  
> Some of the more beautiful
> statues carved in marble are relegated to the
> background. The "back room",
> if I remember correctly, is also used for a
> sacristy.  That is the place
> where the clergy gathered for the procession.
> 
> Were you able to see any of the burial crypts under
> some of the older
> churches?
> 
> PAX. fr. Anthony Delisi.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
> On Behalf Of Laura
> Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:46 AM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] More Pictures sections added /
> Duomo Pics!
> 
> Ken
> 
> I must confess................I didn't take one note
> at the Duomo and my 
> memory isn't that remarkable.
> 
> In fact, Madaleine Gill had sent me a booklet
> entitled "La Maggior 
> Chiesa of Termini Imerese, Percorso
> storico-artistico" a few years ago.  
> So I knew to take my pictures in order of the way
> the pictures in the 
> order that they were labeled on the floor plan (Be
> sure to check the 
> floor plan section as it gives the layout of the
> church.  I bought a 
> second copy of the booklet when I was at the Duomo
> as my original copy 
> is pretty dog-eared from looking at it so many
> times.  I believe I only 
> paid 3 Euro for it.
> 
> I am in the process of translating the details from
> the history of the 
> construction and architecture of the Duomo from this
> book.  It also has 
> a small section to be translated for each of the
> cappella's.  The book 
> is 23 pages long.
> 
> I also bought another book entitled "Breve Storia
> della Chiesa di 
> Termini Imerese" by Salvatore Arrigo which is 125
> pages.  This book also 
> lists the priest of the Duomo and a bit more
> detailed story of the 
> Duomo.  Then it has sections listing all of the
> churches and who the 
> priests of them were and which churches were under
> that priest's care 
> from 1905 to 1994.  This book will take much longer
> to translate
> 
> As to the backroom, I am not sure this was the
> sacristy.  I didn't see 
> any vestments, etc in this room.  If any of the
> others think this is the 
> sacristy, please let me know and I would be glad to
> change the title of 
> that section.
> 
> Ken Geraci wrote:
> 
> >Laura,
> >
> >What a wonderful job you have done with the
> pictures!
> >I especially appreciated your remarkably detailed
> >photos of the Duomo. How did you remember all the
> >shots in the Duomo? You must have been taking very
> >detailed notes along with each photo or else your
> >memory is astonishing. (I suspect both!)
> >
> >If I may provide one labeling hint: The last group
> of
> >Duomo pictures you had labeled as the "Back Room".
> >However, if this was the room where the priests
> keep
> >the chalices and priest's vestments, etc. then it
> is
> >usually referred to as a "sacristy" (assuming you
> want
> >to use precise terminology which to your credit you
> >have done perfectly on all the other Duomo picture
> >groups). 
> >
> >I look forward to the rest of the pictures!
> Wonderful
> >job, Laura! 
> >
> >Ken Geraci
> >
> >--- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I have added more pictures and new sections to the
> >>photos from the 
> >>reunion.  Still have lots more to add.
> >>
> >>I still need pictures of meeting family and
> >>ancestral homes for that 
> >>section and any street name pictures.
> >>
> >>
> >>    
> >>
>
>http://www.termini-imerese.org/Reunion/2006TI/Reunion2006.htm
> >  
> >
> >>NEW SECTIONS ADDED:
> >>Amphitheatre
> >>Market
> >>Flea Market
> >>Nightlife in Piazza del Duomo
> >>Statues and Fountains
> >>Stato Civile
> >>Food, Food and More Food!
> >>Farming
> >>Miscellaneous Sites
> >>Cars
> >>Priests of the Duomo
> >>
> >>MORE PICTURES ADDED TO THESE SECTIONS:
> >>Rooftop Party after Gala Dinner
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 18 01:43:28 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:43:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] men standing around talking
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-DAV4CB666D9C113E659BA9B1B80E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20061017224329.64387.qmail@web60316.mail.yahoo.com>

Corie,

The groups of men standing around talking must be a
universal Latin thing. I noticed it too when I was in
Termini and also throughout Italy (and in Mexico if
you count this as another Latin country). 

As a man in Italy, I found myself being involved in
these all-male social groups. In the Plaza outside the
duomo the guys mostly hung out together (except for
the ones who had a girlfriend) and the women did
similarly. Men seem more "brotherly" there and enjoy
hanging out in groups and I didn't seem to find as
much individualism there as I might find here in
Texas.

The same pattern held in other parts of Italy, too.
When I was in Naples I was astonished when several men
of a family I was with at a restaurant stood up from
the table and announced they were all going together
to the restroom to wash their hands and they invited
me to come also! Perhaps this is to protect their
sisters, daughters, etc. from being left unattended
with a man they don't know too well? At another party
in southern Italy, the women all stayed in the kitchen
cooking and talking while the men stayed in the parlor
talking, smoking and eating pistachio's!

I've also seen similar separation between males and
females in Mexico. There, the woman all work in the
kitchen while the men stand outside the house around a
pickup truck drinking Corona's! (of course the men do
very hard ranch work there during the week).

It's as if the two genders live in two separate
worlds. I think things tend to be this way in many
countries throughout the world. I have come to the
conclusion that the American mixing of the genders in
our workplaces and in socializing is not as common
throughout the rest of the world, especially in the
Latin countries from what I've seen.

So that we can all be more truly Italian I have a
great idea for next year!! At the next Rochester
reunion, why don't we have Terry Skibiski, Paul Caito,
myself and all the other men go hang around outside
talking for a few hours while all the gals stay in the
kitchen and make cannolis for all of us? Yes? Maybe??
In my dreams? LOL

Ken

--- Corie Lindemann <corielind at msn.com> wrote:

> Another thing that struck me about life in Termini
> Imerese was the groups of 
> men standing around talking... everywhere! When I
> woke up, I'd look out and 
> see the men gathered in a small group in front of
> Catalano's Bar on the 
> corner. They would be having an animated discussion
> (I discovered there is 
> really no other type in Sicily!)for hours!! Come
> back at noon... still a 
> group (larger now) of men talking. They would leave
> at 1 for a few hours in 
> the afternoon and BOOM, they'd be back all
> evening... TALKING.  Never any 
> women. Never sitting. Always standing and talking.
> Sometimes the 
> neighborhood boys would be playing in the piazza
> nearby starting to model 
> that behavior, I imagine.
> This was mirrored up by the Piazza del Duomo... and
> down by the park near 
> the port... and at Piazza Umberto. It didn't seem to
> matter what day of the 
> week it was. I started to wonder what the men did
> for a living, if they 
> rotated shifts for the piazza chats, or if it was
> the same guys all day each 
> day. Were they taking a break from fishing? or
> farming? What could they be 
> talking about for that long each day? Was it
> politics? Work? Family? Sports? 
> I find it hard to imagine my husband carrying on
> conversations with a group 
> of men for that long each day (especially without a
> football game on in 
> front of them!) (sorry, don't mean to be sexist --
> just seems like women 
> talk more than men in my corner of the world! maybe
> its all those quiet 
> Scandinavians in Minnesota)
> I would see the women sitting outside their
> respective house doors talking 
> with other women who were sitting in front of their
> doors down the street, 
> or the women were sweeping the street/alley/sidewalk
> in front of their door, 
> or hanging the clothes out on the balcony and
> chatting with the women on the 
> next balcony or across the street.  The women didn't
> seem to gather in 
> public nearly as much as the men.
> And the town was rarely quiet. You could constantly
> hear conversations 
> wafting up from the streets and windows, even as we
> sat on the hotel roof 
> garden.
> Just another interesting take on the culture of
> Termini. It was just 
> fascinating!
> 
> Corie
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
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> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Wed Oct 18 03:18:06 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:18:06 -0500
Subject: [TI] Help with an Italian name pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.82$.003b01c6f239$bee56480$429a50ce@DJZBSK81>
References: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.82$.003b01c6f239$bee56480$429a50ce@DJZBSK81>
Message-ID: <453572BE.8060503@madisontelco.com>

Rosalia - but the i and the a are both pronounced.  I met someone with 
this name in TI and she pronounced it - Roz-ah-lee-ah with the emphasis 
on the first ah

anniegoe wrote:

>My niece had a baby yesterday and is naming her for my Sister Rosie who is 
>deceased.
>Her given name was   ROSALIA    I think!  Not Roselia?   Not sure!
>We called her Rosie, she went by Rose.
>My niece and her Mother are arguing over the name.
>She wants the pronunciation as  RO  ZAL IA.
>Not ROSALEEA
>Above I wrote the names phonetically.
>What is the correct spelling for the way she wants to call her?
>Does anyone know?  Yesterday  we read the tombstone Tony Massara found in 
>Termini, the same day the Baby was born.  She was always naming her that 
>name.  But finding  the name on the tombstone and it's spelled Rosalia like 
>she is naming her was awesome.
>Ann 
>
>
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>
>  
>



From melanie_holtz at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 18 03:18:10 2006
From: melanie_holtz at hotmail.com (Melanie Holtz)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 00:18:10 +0000
Subject: [TI] FW:  Help with an Italian name pronunciation
Message-ID: <BAY107-F200AFA75E34675B43A568E920F0@phx.gbl>

It would be Rosalia.  I see if often in the records and one of our Italian 
cousins is named that, pronounced Rosa-lee-ah I think.  But the new Mom can 
pronounce it however she wants, it doesn't take away from the honor she is 
giving your sister in naming her daughter after her.  Congratulations 
gr-aunt!

Melanie

----Original Message Follows----
From: "anniegoe" <anniegoe at fyi.net>
Reply-To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
To: "Termini Termini" <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Subject: [TI] Help with an Italian name pronunciation
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:15:23 -0400

My niece had a baby yesterday and is naming her for my Sister Rosie who is
deceased.
Her given name was   ROSALIA    I think!  Not Roselia?   Not sure!
We called her Rosie, she went by Rose.
My niece and her Mother are arguing over the name.
She wants the pronunciation as  RO  ZAL IA.
Not ROSALEEA
Above I wrote the names phonetically.
What is the correct spelling for the way she wants to call her?
Does anyone know?  Yesterday  we read the tombstone Tony Massara found in
Termini, the same day the Baby was born.  She was always naming her that
name.  But finding  the name on the tombstone and it's spelled Rosalia like
she is naming her was awesome.
Ann


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From SReif1956 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 18 03:30:18 2006
From: SReif1956 at comcast.net (SReif1956 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 00:30:18 +0000
Subject: [TI] standing around talking - LOUDLY
Message-ID: <101820060030.21778.4535759A00024323000055122200734076C0CAC7CE00070AADAC@comcast.net>

Corie, I remember walking down those alleys with you.  Do you remember the volume of the conversations as we passed by?  Loud, Louder and Loudest.  My friends always thought that we were a family who yelled at each other.  But I let them know that everyone in my family, from grandpa on down to the littlest tike only speak in one volume....LOUD.  Sharon
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
> Another thing that struck me about life in Termini Imerese was the groups of 
> men standing around talking... everywhere! When I woke up, I'd look out and 
> see the men gathered in a small group in front of Catalano's Bar on the 
> corner. They would be having an animated discussion (I discovered there is 
> really no other type in Sicily!)for hours!! Come back at noon... still a 
> group (larger now) of men talking. They would leave at 1 for a few hours in 
> the afternoon and BOOM, they'd be back all evening... TALKING.  Never any 
> women. Never sitting. Always standing and talking. Sometimes the 
> neighborhood boys would be playing in the piazza nearby starting to model 
> that behavior, I imagine.
> This was mirrored up by the Piazza del Duomo... and down by the park near 
> the port... and at Piazza Umberto. It didn't seem to matter what day of the 
> week it was. I started to wonder what the men did for a living, if they 
> rotated shifts for the piazza chats, or if it was the same guys all day each 
> day. Were they taking a break from fishing? or farming? What could they be 
> talking about for that long each day? Was it politics? Work? Family? Sports? 
> I find it hard to imagine my husband carrying on conversations with a group 
> of men for that long each day (especially without a football game on in 
> front of them!) (sorry, don't mean to be sexist -- just seems like women 
> talk more than men in my corner of the world! maybe its all those quiet 
> Scandinavians in Minnesota)
> I would see the women sitting outside their respective house doors talking 
> with other women who were sitting in front of their doors down the street, 
> or the women were sweeping the street/alley/sidewalk in front of their door, 
> or hanging the clothes out on the balcony and chatting with the women on the 
> next balcony or across the street.  The women didn't seem to gather in 
> public nearly as much as the men.
> And the town was rarely quiet. You could constantly hear conversations 
> wafting up from the streets and windows, even as we sat on the hotel roof 
> garden.
> Just another interesting take on the culture of Termini. It was just 
> fascinating!
> 
> Corie
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
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From SReif1956 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 18 03:39:58 2006
From: SReif1956 at comcast.net (SReif1956 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 00:39:58 +0000
Subject: [TI] Help with an Italian name pronunciation
Message-ID: <101820060039.11776.453577DE0005DE1C00002E002206998499C0CAC7CE00070AADAC@comcast.net>

My Austrian grandmother was Rosalia  Haselbacher....she pronounced her name as Laura has written...Ro SA lee a.  However she had a Germanic accent in her voice pattern, so it wasn't quite the same as listening to an Italian.

Sharon
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
> Rosalia - but the i and the a are both pronounced.  I met someone with 
> this name in TI and she pronounced it - Roz-ah-lee-ah with the emphasis 
> on the first ah
> 
> anniegoe wrote:
>



From corielind at msn.com  Wed Oct 18 04:42:34 2006
From: corielind at msn.com (Corie Lindemann)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:42:34 -0500
Subject: [TI] men standing around talking
References: <20061017224329.64387.qmail@web60316.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-DAV11A16577AC0EBE8A564884B80F0@phx.gbl>

No way Ken! I hear Paul makes killer cannolis, so you guys go to the kitchen 
and roll those shells and whip up the filling. We'll be waiting at the 
corner!

Corie
;-)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Geraci" <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] men standing around talking


> Corie,
>
> The groups of men standing around talking must be a
> universal Latin thing. I noticed it too when I was in
> Termini and also throughout Italy (and in Mexico if
> you count this as another Latin country).
>
> As a man in Italy, I found myself being involved in
> these all-male social groups. In the Plaza outside the
> duomo the guys mostly hung out together (except for
> the ones who had a girlfriend) and the women did
> similarly. Men seem more "brotherly" there and enjoy
> hanging out in groups and I didn't seem to find as
> much individualism there as I might find here in
> Texas.
>
> The same pattern held in other parts of Italy, too.
> When I was in Naples I was astonished when several men
> of a family I was with at a restaurant stood up from
> the table and announced they were all going together
> to the restroom to wash their hands and they invited
> me to come also! Perhaps this is to protect their
> sisters, daughters, etc. from being left unattended
> with a man they don't know too well? At another party
> in southern Italy, the women all stayed in the kitchen
> cooking and talking while the men stayed in the parlor
> talking, smoking and eating pistachio's!
>
> I've also seen similar separation between males and
> females in Mexico. There, the woman all work in the
> kitchen while the men stand outside the house around a
> pickup truck drinking Corona's! (of course the men do
> very hard ranch work there during the week).
>
> It's as if the two genders live in two separate
> worlds. I think things tend to be this way in many
> countries throughout the world. I have come to the
> conclusion that the American mixing of the genders in
> our workplaces and in socializing is not as common
> throughout the rest of the world, especially in the
> Latin countries from what I've seen.
>
> So that we can all be more truly Italian I have a
> great idea for next year!! At the next Rochester
> reunion, why don't we have Terry Skibiski, Paul Caito,
> myself and all the other men go hang around outside
> talking for a few hours while all the gals stay in the
> kitchen and make cannolis for all of us? Yes? Maybe??
> In my dreams? LOL
>
> Ken
>
> --- Corie Lindemann <corielind at msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Another thing that struck me about life in Termini
> > Imerese was the groups of
> > men standing around talking... everywhere! When I
> > woke up, I'd look out and
> > see the men gathered in a small group in front of
> > Catalano's Bar on the
> > corner. They would be having an animated discussion
> > (I discovered there is
> > really no other type in Sicily!)for hours!! Come
> > back at noon... still a
> > group (larger now) of men talking. They would leave
> > at 1 for a few hours in
> > the afternoon and BOOM, they'd be back all
> > evening... TALKING.  Never any
> > women. Never sitting. Always standing and talking.
> > Sometimes the
> > neighborhood boys would be playing in the piazza
> > nearby starting to model
> > that behavior, I imagine.
> > This was mirrored up by the Piazza del Duomo... and
> > down by the park near
> > the port... and at Piazza Umberto. It didn't seem to
> > matter what day of the
> > week it was. I started to wonder what the men did
> > for a living, if they
> > rotated shifts for the piazza chats, or if it was
> > the same guys all day each
> > day. Were they taking a break from fishing? or
> > farming? What could they be
> > talking about for that long each day? Was it
> > politics? Work? Family? Sports?
> > I find it hard to imagine my husband carrying on
> > conversations with a group
> > of men for that long each day (especially without a
> > football game on in
> > front of them!) (sorry, don't mean to be sexist --
> > just seems like women
> > talk more than men in my corner of the world! maybe
> > its all those quiet
> > Scandinavians in Minnesota)
> > I would see the women sitting outside their
> > respective house doors talking
> > with other women who were sitting in front of their
> > doors down the street,
> > or the women were sweeping the street/alley/sidewalk
> > in front of their door,
> > or hanging the clothes out on the balcony and
> > chatting with the women on the
> > next balcony or across the street.  The women didn't
> > seem to gather in
> > public nearly as much as the men.
> > And the town was rarely quiet. You could constantly
> > hear conversations
> > wafting up from the streets and windows, even as we
> > sat on the hotel roof
> > garden.
> > Just another interesting take on the culture of
> > Termini. It was just
> > fascinating!
> >
> > Corie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TerminiImerese mailing list
> > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >
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From tskibiski at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 18 06:49:37 2006
From: tskibiski at yahoo.com (Terry Skibiski)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:49:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] men standing around talking
In-Reply-To: <20061017224329.64387.qmail@web60316.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20061018034937.30764.qmail@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I first noticed this gender separation when I started
dating an Italian woman in Chicago (now my wife).  I
would go to her house for dinner, and all the men sat
in the living room talking while all the women stood
around in the kitchen talking, even though only one
was actually cooking.  In the summer, the women all
sat at the picnic tables talking while the men all
stood around the grill talking, even though only one
was actually cooking.  When I went to Italy, I visited
with family, and the women and men all greeted me
graciously, gave me a tour of the town, and then took
me out to lunch.  Interestingly, only the men showed
up at the restaurant for lunch.  I don't know what the
women were doing, but the men spent two hours eating
and talking.

This is not limited to Italians, however.  Go to
Chinatown sometime and observe the men sitting in the
bakeries talking in the middle of the day.  Go to an
Irish pub and compare the number of men with the
number of women sitting around talking.

As far as canollis, I don't care who makes them, as
long as I get some!  I usually have to make my own
food at my house, as I married the only Italian woman
who doesn't cook.  That was part of the agreement
before we got married; I would do all the cooking and
Joyce would do the laundry.  We've been married 25
years, so I guess we are still satisfied with that
agreement.

Terry

--- Ken Geraci <ken_geraci at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Corie,
> 
> The groups of men standing around talking must be a
> universal Latin thing. I noticed it too when I was
> in
> Termini and also throughout Italy (and in Mexico if
> you count this as another Latin country). 
> 
> As a man in Italy, I found myself being involved in
> these all-male social groups. In the Plaza outside
> the
> duomo the guys mostly hung out together (except for
> the ones who had a girlfriend) and the women did
> similarly. Men seem more "brotherly" there and enjoy
> hanging out in groups and I didn't seem to find as
> much individualism there as I might find here in
> Texas.
> 
> The same pattern held in other parts of Italy, too.
> When I was in Naples I was astonished when several
> men
> of a family I was with at a restaurant stood up from
> the table and announced they were all going together
> to the restroom to wash their hands and they invited
> me to come also! Perhaps this is to protect their
> sisters, daughters, etc. from being left unattended
> with a man they don't know too well? At another
> party
> in southern Italy, the women all stayed in the
> kitchen
> cooking and talking while the men stayed in the
> parlor
> talking, smoking and eating pistachio's!
> 
> I've also seen similar separation between males and
> females in Mexico. There, the woman all work in the
> kitchen while the men stand outside the house around
> a
> pickup truck drinking Corona's! (of course the men
> do
> very hard ranch work there during the week).
> 
> It's as if the two genders live in two separate
> worlds. I think things tend to be this way in many
> countries throughout the world. I have come to the
> conclusion that the American mixing of the genders
> in
> our workplaces and in socializing is not as common
> throughout the rest of the world, especially in the
> Latin countries from what I've seen.
> 
> So that we can all be more truly Italian I have a
> great idea for next year!! At the next Rochester
> reunion, why don't we have Terry Skibiski, Paul
> Caito,
> myself and all the other men go hang around outside
> talking for a few hours while all the gals stay in
> the
> kitchen and make cannolis for all of us? Yes?
> Maybe??
> In my dreams? LOL
> 
> Ken


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From acm605 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 18 13:15:36 2006
From: acm605 at comcast.net (Tony Massaro)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:15:36 +0000
Subject: [TI] standing around talking - LOUDLY
Message-ID: <101820061015.16182.4535FEC7000F2E8F00003F362200734076CACFC0030C0E@comcast.net>

My wife still accuses me of "yelling". My response everytime is that when I get into an intense discussion I just talk loudly. When I was growing up my friends whose parents were italian did just the same thing. the house was always noisy.

--
Tony Massaro
acm605 at comcast.net

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: SReif1956 at comcast.net
> Corie, I remember walking down those alleys with you.  Do you remember the 
> volume of the conversations as we passed by?  Loud, Louder and Loudest.  My 
> friends always thought that we were a family who yelled at each other.  But I 
> let them know that everyone in my family, from grandpa on down to the littlest 
> tike only speak in one volume....LOUD.  Sharon
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
> > Another thing that struck me about life in Termini Imerese was the groups of 
> > men standing around talking... everywhere! When I woke up, I'd look out and 
> > see the men gathered in a small group in front of Catalano's Bar on the 
> > corner. They would be having an animated discussion (I discovered there is 
> > really no other type in Sicily!)for hours!! Come back at noon... still a 
> > group (larger now) of men talking. They would leave at 1 for a few hours in 
> > the afternoon and BOOM, they'd be back all evening... TALKING.  Never any 
> > women. Never sitting. Always standing and talking. Sometimes the 
> > neighborhood boys would be playing in the piazza nearby starting to model 
> > that behavior, I imagine.
> > This was mirrored up by the Piazza del Duomo... and down by the park near 
> > the port... and at Piazza Umberto. It didn't seem to matter what day of the 
> > week it was. I started to wonder what the men did for a living, if they 
> > rotated shifts for the piazza chats, or if it was the same guys all day each 
> > day. Were they taking a break from fishing? or farming? What could they be 
> > talking about for that long each day? Was it politics? Work? Family? Sports? 
> > I find it hard to imagine my husband carrying on conversations with a group 
> > of men for that long each day (especially without a football game on in 
> > front of them!) (sorry, don't mean to be sexist -- just seems like women 
> > talk more than men in my corner of the world! maybe its all those quiet 
> > Scandinavians in Minnesota)
> > I would see the women sitting outside their respective house doors talking 
> > with other women who were sitting in front of their doors down the street, 
> > or the women were sweeping the street/alley/sidewalk in front of their door, 
> > or hanging the clothes out on the balcony and chatting with the women on the 
> > next balcony or across the street.  The women didn't seem to gather in 
> > public nearly as much as the men.
> > And the town was rarely quiet. You could constantly hear conversations 
> > wafting up from the streets and windows, even as we sat on the hotel roof 
> > garden.
> > Just another interesting take on the culture of Termini. It was just 
> > fascinating!
> > 
> > Corie
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TerminiImerese mailing list
> > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
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> 
> 
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From graceolivo at comcast.net  Wed Oct 18 14:22:02 2006
From: graceolivo at comcast.net (graceolivo at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:22:02 +0000
Subject: [TI] standing around talking - LOUDLY
Message-ID: <101820061122.18362.45360E5A00005816000047BA220588911601900704010A0C0E9D09@comcast.net>

I've often wondered if it's genetic or learned.... my mother's family [Palermo Province] speak normally all the time.  My father's family [Bari Province] all tend to speak loudly all the time.  Everyone always thought my father was yelling or fighting with someone. Look out if he was REALLY angry. I have the same tendency [ahem] - I honestly don't realize when I'm speaking loudly.  My son is exactly the same way, but not my daughter, who's always telling both of us to shush.  I remember one of my aunts asking if maybe we had hearing problems, and that's why we speak so loudly [our hearing is fine...]

Grace

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: acm605 at comcast.net (Tony Massaro)
> My wife still accuses me of "yelling". My response everytime is that when I get 
> into an intense discussion I just talk loudly. When I was growing up my friends 
> whose parents were italian did just the same thing. the house was always noisy.
> 
> --
> Tony Massaro
> acm605 at comcast.net
> 



From franthony at trappist.net  Wed Oct 18 15:06:32 2006
From: franthony at trappist.net (Fr. Anthony Delisi)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:06:32 -0400
Subject: [TI] Fr. Anthony/ Sacristy
In-Reply-To: <20061017143526.29426.qmail@web60318.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c6f2ad$dd388290$6d01a8c0@109anthny>

Dear Ken,
Off hand I can not recall a room in the Duomo with the sacred vessels.  If
such a room exist in the cathedral, it would be the sacristy.  Maybe we
ought simply to call this room a gathering room and do more research into
the subject.

PAX. fr. Anthony Delisi

  




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From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Ken Geraci
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:35 AM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] Fr. Anthony/ Sacristy

Fr. Anthony,

Speaking of the Duomo's back room or sacristy... I
have a question... what makes a sacristy a sacristy? 

Is it the functionality of being used as the room
where the priests gather, dress and prepare for a Mass
or a  procession or instead, is it the functionality
of being a storage place for holy things (vestments,
chalices, etc) used for the Mass? Or is the word
"sacristy" used to describe any room where any
combination of these sorts of functions occur? I don't
know if there is an official definition but I thought
I ask out of curiosity.

Ken

--- "Fr. Anthony Delisi" <franthony at trappist.net>
wrote:

> Dear Laura,
> 
> Indeed the photos of; the Duomo were good.  You even
> took photos of some
> statues that are chipped, poor quality, and plaster
> of Paris.  Not
> everything in that church is worthy of praise.  
> Some of the more beautiful
> statues carved in marble are relegated to the
> background. The "back room",
> if I remember correctly, is also used for a
> sacristy.  That is the place
> where the clergy gathered for the procession.
> 
> Were you able to see any of the burial crypts under
> some of the older
> churches?
> 
> PAX. fr. Anthony Delisi.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
> On Behalf Of Laura
> Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:46 AM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] More Pictures sections added /
> Duomo Pics!
> 
> Ken
> 
> I must confess................I didn't take one note
> at the Duomo and my 
> memory isn't that remarkable.
> 
> In fact, Madaleine Gill had sent me a booklet
> entitled "La Maggior 
> Chiesa of Termini Imerese, Percorso
> storico-artistico" a few years ago.  
> So I knew to take my pictures in order of the way
> the pictures in the 
> order that they were labeled on the floor plan (Be
> sure to check the 
> floor plan section as it gives the layout of the
> church.  I bought a 
> second copy of the booklet when I was at the Duomo
> as my original copy 
> is pretty dog-eared from looking at it so many
> times.  I believe I only 
> paid 3 Euro for it.
> 
> I am in the process of translating the details from
> the history of the 
> construction and architecture of the Duomo from this
> book.  It also has 
> a small section to be translated for each of the
> cappella's.  The book 
> is 23 pages long.
> 
> I also bought another book entitled "Breve Storia
> della Chiesa di 
> Termini Imerese" by Salvatore Arrigo which is 125
> pages.  This book also 
> lists the priest of the Duomo and a bit more
> detailed story of the 
> Duomo.  Then it has sections listing all of the
> churches and who the 
> priests of them were and which churches were under
> that priest's care 
> from 1905 to 1994.  This book will take much longer
> to translate
> 
> As to the backroom, I am not sure this was the
> sacristy.  I didn't see 
> any vestments, etc in this room.  If any of the
> others think this is the 
> sacristy, please let me know and I would be glad to
> change the title of 
> that section.
> 
> Ken Geraci wrote:
> 
> >Laura,
> >
> >What a wonderful job you have done with the
> pictures!
> >I especially appreciated your remarkably detailed
> >photos of the Duomo. How did you remember all the
> >shots in the Duomo? You must have been taking very
> >detailed notes along with each photo or else your
> >memory is astonishing. (I suspect both!)
> >
> >If I may provide one labeling hint: The last group
> of
> >Duomo pictures you had labeled as the "Back Room".
> >However, if this was the room where the priests
> keep
> >the chalices and priest's vestments, etc. then it
> is
> >usually referred to as a "sacristy" (assuming you
> want
> >to use precise terminology which to your credit you
> >have done perfectly on all the other Duomo picture
> >groups). 
> >
> >I look forward to the rest of the pictures!
> Wonderful
> >job, Laura! 
> >
> >Ken Geraci
> >
> >--- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I have added more pictures and new sections to the
> >>photos from the 
> >>reunion.  Still have lots more to add.
> >>
> >>I still need pictures of meeting family and
> >>ancestral homes for that 
> >>section and any street name pictures.
> >>
> >>
> >>    
> >>
>
>http://www.termini-imerese.org/Reunion/2006TI/Reunion2006.htm
> >  
> >
> >>NEW SECTIONS ADDED:
> >>Amphitheatre
> >>Market
> >>Flea Market
> >>Nightlife in Piazza del Duomo
> >>Statues and Fountains
> >>Stato Civile
> >>Food, Food and More Food!
> >>Farming
> >>Miscellaneous Sites
> >>Cars
> >>Priests of the Duomo
> >>
> >>MORE PICTURES ADDED TO THESE SECTIONS:
> >>Rooftop Party after Gala Dinner
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >>TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >>
> >>    
> >>
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From tskibiski at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 18 15:31:39 2006
From: tskibiski at yahoo.com (Terry Skibiski)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:31:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] talking LOUDLY
In-Reply-To: <101820061122.18362.45360E5A00005816000047BA220588911601900704010A0C0E9D09@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20061018123139.6622.qmail@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

When I first met Joyce's family, I thought it rather
confusing when the family would get together for
holidays and at the dinner table there were always
three conversations going on at once.  Of course,
everybody was talking loudly so they could be heard
over the other people having other conversations.  I
come from a community of pasty white northern
Europeans who don't talk much, and when they do, it's
quiet and reserved.  I was the exception to the rule,
of course, which prompted my dad to say on a daily
basis, "Terry, shut up."  I never did, and now I get
paid to talk all day and project my voice so a room
full of fourth graders can hear me.

Terry  

--- graceolivo at comcast.net wrote:

> I've often wondered if it's genetic or learned....
> my mother's family [Palermo Province] speak normally
> all the time.  My father's family [Bari Province]
> all tend to speak loudly all the time.  Everyone
> always thought my father was yelling or fighting
> with someone. Look out if he was REALLY angry. I
> have the same tendency [ahem] - I honestly don't
> realize when I'm speaking loudly.  My son is exactly
> the same way, but not my daughter, who's always
> telling both of us to shush.  I remember one of my
> aunts asking if maybe we had hearing problems, and
> that's why we speak so loudly [our hearing is
> fine...]
> 
> Grace
>

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From aj4eyes at sympatico.ca  Wed Oct 18 15:25:31 2006
From: aj4eyes at sympatico.ca (A. J. Quattrocchi)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:25:31 -0400
Subject: [TI] Fr. Anthony/ Sacristy
References: <005d01c6f2ad$dd388290$6d01a8c0@109anthny>
Message-ID: <BAYC1-PASMTP010EA14B2213763CEA42DE840F0@CEZ.ICE>

Here in Perth Ont and all the churches that I know of the room off of the main altar where the priest and altar boys robe is called the sacristy and that should be in general for all churches. A.J. Quattrocchi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fr. Anthony Delisi" <franthony at trappist.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] Fr. Anthony/ Sacristy


> Dear Ken,
> Off hand I can not recall a room in the Duomo with the sacred vessels.  If
> such a room exist in the cathedral, it would be the sacristy.  Maybe we
> ought simply to call this room a gathering room and do more research into
> the subject.
> 
> PAX. fr. Anthony Delisi
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Ken Geraci
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:35 AM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] Fr. Anthony/ Sacristy
> 
> Fr. Anthony,
> 
> Speaking of the Duomo's back room or sacristy... I
> have a question... what makes a sacristy a sacristy? 
> 
> Is it the functionality of being used as the room
> where the priests gather, dress and prepare for a Mass
> or a  procession or instead, is it the functionality
> of being a storage place for holy things (vestments,
> chalices, etc) used for the Mass? Or is the word
> "sacristy" used to describe any room where any
> combination of these sorts of functions occur? I don't
> know if there is an official definition but I thought
> I ask out of curiosity.
> 
> Ken
> 
> --- "Fr. Anthony Delisi" <franthony at trappist.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Laura,
> > 
> > Indeed the photos of; the Duomo were good.  You even
> > took photos of some
> > statues that are chipped, poor quality, and plaster
> > of Paris.  Not
> > everything in that church is worthy of praise.  
> > Some of the more beautiful
> > statues carved in marble are relegated to the
> > background. The "back room",
> > if I remember correctly, is also used for a
> > sacristy.  That is the place
> > where the clergy gathered for the procession.
> > 
> > Were you able to see any of the burial crypts under
> > some of the older
> > churches?
> > 
> > PAX. fr. Anthony Delisi.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> > [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
> > On Behalf Of Laura
> > Johnson
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:46 AM
> > To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > Subject: Re: [TI] More Pictures sections added /
> > Duomo Pics!
> > 
> > Ken
> > 
> > I must confess................I didn't take one note
> > at the Duomo and my 
> > memory isn't that remarkable.
> > 
> > In fact, Madaleine Gill had sent me a booklet
> > entitled "La Maggior 
> > Chiesa of Termini Imerese, Percorso
> > storico-artistico" a few years ago.  
> > So I knew to take my pictures in order of the way
> > the pictures in the 
> > order that they were labeled on the floor plan (Be
> > sure to check the 
> > floor plan section as it gives the layout of the
> > church.  I bought a 
> > second copy of the booklet when I was at the Duomo
> > as my original copy 
> > is pretty dog-eared from looking at it so many
> > times.  I believe I only 
> > paid 3 Euro for it.
> > 
> > I am in the process of translating the details from
> > the history of the 
> > construction and architecture of the Duomo from this
> > book.  It also has 
> > a small section to be translated for each of the
> > cappella's.  The book 
> > is 23 pages long.
> > 
> > I also bought another book entitled "Breve Storia
> > della Chiesa di 
> > Termini Imerese" by Salvatore Arrigo which is 125
> > pages.  This book also 
> > lists the priest of the Duomo and a bit more
> > detailed story of the 
> > Duomo.  Then it has sections listing all of the
> > churches and who the 
> > priests of them were and which churches were under
> > that priest's care 
> > from 1905 to 1994.  This book will take much longer
> > to translate
> > 
> > As to the backroom, I am not sure this was the
> > sacristy.  I didn't see 
> > any vestments, etc in this room.  If any of the
> > others think this is the 
> > sacristy, please let me know and I would be glad to
> > change the title of 
> > that section.
> > 
> > Ken Geraci wrote:
> > 
> > >Laura,
> > >
> > >What a wonderful job you have done with the
> > pictures!
> > >I especially appreciated your remarkably detailed
> > >photos of the Duomo. How did you remember all the
> > >shots in the Duomo? You must have been taking very
> > >detailed notes along with each photo or else your
> > >memory is astonishing. (I suspect both!)
> > >
> > >If I may provide one labeling hint: The last group
> > of
> > >Duomo pictures you had labeled as the "Back Room".
> > >However, if this was the room where the priests
> > keep
> > >the chalices and priest's vestments, etc. then it
> > is
> > >usually referred to as a "sacristy" (assuming you
> > want
> > >to use precise terminology which to your credit you
> > >have done perfectly on all the other Duomo picture
> > >groups). 
> > >
> > >I look forward to the rest of the pictures!
> > Wonderful
> > >job, Laura! 
> > >
> > >Ken Geraci
> > >
> > >--- Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >>I have added more pictures and new sections to the
> > >>photos from the 
> > >>reunion.  Still have lots more to add.
> > >>
> > >>I still need pictures of meeting family and
> > >>ancestral homes for that 
> > >>section and any street name pictures.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>    
> > >>
> >
> >http://www.termini-imerese.org/Reunion/2006TI/Reunion2006.htm
> > >  
> > >
> > >>NEW SECTIONS ADDED:
> > >>Amphitheatre
> > >>Market
> > >>Flea Market
> > >>Nightlife in Piazza del Duomo
> > >>Statues and Fountains
> > >>Stato Civile
> > >>Food, Food and More Food!
> > >>Farming
> > >>Miscellaneous Sites
> > >>Cars
> > >>Priests of the Duomo
> > >>
> > >>MORE PICTURES ADDED TO THESE SECTIONS:
> > >>Rooftop Party after Gala Dinner
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>_______________________________________________
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From geracig at alltel.net  Wed Oct 18 15:56:54 2006
From: geracig at alltel.net (Glenda Geraci)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:56:54 -0400
Subject: [TI] standing around talking - LOUDLY
References: <101820061122.18362.45360E5A00005816000047BA220588911601900704010A0C0E9D09@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <010801c6f2b4$e37ea240$6401a8c0@DGZ01H41>

I will have to vote for genetic.  My husband did not grow up around his 
Italian family as his father died when he was 10 years old.  His mother was 
a soft spoken German and always complained that he yelled all the time.  She 
couldn't quite him down and neither can I.
Glenda Geraci


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <graceolivo at comcast.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] standing around talking - LOUDLY


I've often wondered if it's genetic or learned.... my mother's family 
[Palermo Province] speak normally all the time.  My father's family [Bari 
Province] all tend to speak loudly all the time.  Everyone always thought my 
father was yelling or fighting with someone. Look out if he was REALLY 
angry. I have the same tendency [ahem] - I honestly don't realize when I'm 
speaking loudly.  My son is exactly the same way, but not my daughter, who's 
always telling both of us to shush.  I remember one of my aunts asking if 
maybe we had hearing problems, and that's why we speak so loudly [our 
hearing is fine...]

Grace

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: acm605 at comcast.net (Tony Massaro)
> My wife still accuses me of "yelling". My response everytime is that when 
> I get
> into an intense discussion I just talk loudly. When I was growing up my 
> friends
> whose parents were italian did just the same thing. the house was always 
> noisy.
>
> --
> Tony Massaro
> acm605 at comcast.net
>

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From graceolivo at comcast.net  Wed Oct 18 16:57:39 2006
From: graceolivo at comcast.net (Grace Olivo)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:57:39 -0400
Subject: [TI] talking LOUDLY
In-Reply-To: <20061018123139.6622.qmail@web35403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002201c6f2bd$63213820$0501a8c0@Dimension>

Ah Terry, maybe those of us who 'project' our voices were born to be
teachers or speakers!  I speak often in front of groups, and my son
'projects' to high school students all day teaching Italian. Now,
wouldn't you think that I'd have learned Italian somewhere along the way
with a son who teaches it?  Nope.  My grandparents only spoke their
dialects [Sicilian & Barese, which sounds like a combination of Greek
and Russian, haha], so whatever I did learn wasn't even Italian. I spent
more time around the Sicilian, which is why I think I took so easily to
Spanish, which I can read and speak but not write.  Over the years I've
learned to read Italian, but when it's spoken I'm usually lost unless
they use words close to Spanish. 

Grace 

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Terry
Skibiski
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:32 AM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] talking LOUDLY


When I first met Joyce's family, I thought it rather
confusing when the family would get together for
holidays and at the dinner table there were always
three conversations going on at once.  Of course,
everybody was talking loudly so they could be heard
over the other people having other conversations.  I
come from a community of pasty white northern
Europeans who don't talk much, and when they do, it's
quiet and reserved.  I was the exception to the rule,
of course, which prompted my dad to say on a daily
basis, "Terry, shut up."  I never did, and now I get
paid to talk all day and project my voice so a room
full of fourth graders can hear me.

Terry  

-





From jlip37 at verizon.net  Wed Oct 18 17:34:10 2006
From: jlip37 at verizon.net (Joan Petrulis)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:34:10 -0500
Subject: [TI] men standing around talking
References: <20061017224329.64387.qmail@web60316.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001301c6f2c2$7ad51540$4001a8c0@Gonzo>

To quote Ken: "So that we can all be more truly Italian I have a
great idea for next year!! At the next Rochester
reunion, why don't we have Terry Skibiski, Paul Caito,
myself and all the other men go hang around outside
talking for a few hours while all the gals stay in the
kitchen and make cannolis for all of us? Yes? Maybe??
In my dreams?" LOL

So what is different about that? Was this not a description of our 
traditional holiday gatherings back in Chicago, when the whole family would 
get  together? The only difference is that "outside" was the living room. 
LVL (laugh very loud)

Can't really say that I have significantly changed the tradition but I love 
having family over and I love having grandkids enjoy my cooking.

Joan P.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Geraci" <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] men standing around talking


> Corie,
>
> The groups of men standing around talking must be a
> universal Latin thing. I noticed it too when I was in
> Termini and also throughout Italy (and in Mexico if
> you count this as another Latin country).
>
> As a man in Italy, I found myself being involved in
> these all-male social groups. In the Plaza outside the
> duomo the guys mostly hung out together (except for
> the ones who had a girlfriend) and the women did
> similarly. Men seem more "brotherly" there and enjoy
> hanging out in groups and I didn't seem to find as
> much individualism there as I might find here in
> Texas.
>
> The same pattern held in other parts of Italy, too.
> When I was in Naples I was astonished when several men
> of a family I was with at a restaurant stood up from
> the table and announced they were all going together
> to the restroom to wash their hands and they invited
> me to come also! Perhaps this is to protect their
> sisters, daughters, etc. from being left unattended
> with a man they don't know too well? At another party
> in southern Italy, the women all stayed in the kitchen
> cooking and talking while the men stayed in the parlor
> talking, smoking and eating pistachio's!
>
> I've also seen similar separation between males and
> females in Mexico. There, the woman all work in the
> kitchen while the men stand outside the house around a
> pickup truck drinking Corona's! (of course the men do
> very hard ranch work there during the week).
>
> It's as if the two genders live in two separate
> worlds. I think things tend to be this way in many
> countries throughout the world. I have come to the
> conclusion that the American mixing of the genders in
> our workplaces and in socializing is not as common
> throughout the rest of the world, especially in the
> Latin countries from what I've seen.
>
> So that we can all be more truly Italian I have a
> great idea for next year!! At the next Rochester
> reunion, why don't we have Terry Skibiski, Paul Caito,
> myself and all the other men go hang around outside
> talking for a few hours while all the gals stay in the
> kitchen and make cannolis for all of us? Yes? Maybe??
> In my dreams? LOL
>
> Ken
>
> --- Corie Lindemann <corielind at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Another thing that struck me about life in Termini
>> Imerese was the groups of
>> men standing around talking... everywhere! When I
>> woke up, I'd look out and
>> see the men gathered in a small group in front of
>> Catalano's Bar on the
>> corner. They would be having an animated discussion
>> (I discovered there is
>> really no other type in Sicily!)for hours!! Come
>> back at noon... still a
>> group (larger now) of men talking. They would leave
>> at 1 for a few hours in
>> the afternoon and BOOM, they'd be back all
>> evening... TALKING.  Never any
>> women. Never sitting. Always standing and talking.
>> Sometimes the
>> neighborhood boys would be playing in the piazza
>> nearby starting to model
>> that behavior, I imagine.
>> This was mirrored up by the Piazza del Duomo... and
>> down by the park near
>> the port... and at Piazza Umberto. It didn't seem to
>> matter what day of the
>> week it was. I started to wonder what the men did
>> for a living, if they
>> rotated shifts for the piazza chats, or if it was
>> the same guys all day each
>> day. Were they taking a break from fishing? or
>> farming? What could they be
>> talking about for that long each day? Was it
>> politics? Work? Family? Sports?
>> I find it hard to imagine my husband carrying on
>> conversations with a group
>> of men for that long each day (especially without a
>> football game on in
>> front of them!) (sorry, don't mean to be sexist --
>> just seems like women
>> talk more than men in my corner of the world! maybe
>> its all those quiet
>> Scandinavians in Minnesota)
>> I would see the women sitting outside their
>> respective house doors talking
>> with other women who were sitting in front of their
>> doors down the street,
>> or the women were sweeping the street/alley/sidewalk
>> in front of their door,
>> or hanging the clothes out on the balcony and
>> chatting with the women on the
>> next balcony or across the street.  The women didn't
>> seem to gather in
>> public nearly as much as the men.
>> And the town was rarely quiet. You could constantly
>> hear conversations
>> wafting up from the streets and windows, even as we
>> sat on the hotel roof
>> garden.
>> Just another interesting take on the culture of
>> Termini. It was just
>> fascinating!
>>
>> Corie
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 18 19:45:40 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:45:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] men standing around talking
In-Reply-To: <001301c6f2c2$7ad51540$4001a8c0@Gonzo>
Message-ID: <20061018164540.16452.qmail@web60325.mail.yahoo.com>

Joan, I was thinking about what you wrote and you're
correct. Probably those of you over 60 are wondering
why I was describing this as being "more Italian"
since you probably still do this (women cooking while
men talk) here in America and Canada. I guess the
novelty would be more for younger guys like me, Paul
and Terry - those of us men who are of the younger
generation who have probably not experienced the
concept of men standing around talking while the women
did kitchen work. Instead we have experienced the
concept of having a kitchen utensil thrown at us if we
don't get in the kitchen and give a hand!

Ken

--- Joan Petrulis <jlip37 at verizon.net> wrote:

> To quote Ken: "So that we can all be more truly
> Italian I have a
> great idea for next year!! At the next Rochester
> reunion, why don't we have Terry Skibiski, Paul
> Caito,
> myself and all the other men go hang around outside
> talking for a few hours while all the gals stay in
> the
> kitchen and make cannolis for all of us? Yes?
> Maybe??
> In my dreams?" LOL
> 
> So what is different about that? Was this not a
> description of our 
> traditional holiday gatherings back in Chicago, when
> the whole family would 
> get  together? The only difference is that "outside"
> was the living room. 
> LVL (laugh very loud)
> 
> Can't really say that I have significantly changed
> the tradition but I love 
> having family over and I love having grandkids enjoy
> my cooking.
> 
> Joan P.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ken Geraci" <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] men standing around talking
> 
> 
> > Corie,
> >
> > The groups of men standing around talking must be
> a
> > universal Latin thing. I noticed it too when I was
> in
> > Termini and also throughout Italy (and in Mexico
> if
> > you count this as another Latin country).
> >
> > As a man in Italy, I found myself being involved
> in
> > these all-male social groups. In the Plaza outside
> the
> > duomo the guys mostly hung out together (except
> for
> > the ones who had a girlfriend) and the women did
> > similarly. Men seem more "brotherly" there and
> enjoy
> > hanging out in groups and I didn't seem to find as
> > much individualism there as I might find here in
> > Texas.
> >
> > The same pattern held in other parts of Italy,
> too.
> > When I was in Naples I was astonished when several
> men
> > of a family I was with at a restaurant stood up
> from
> > the table and announced they were all going
> together
> > to the restroom to wash their hands and they
> invited
> > me to come also! Perhaps this is to protect their
> > sisters, daughters, etc. from being left
> unattended
> > with a man they don't know too well? At another
> party
> > in southern Italy, the women all stayed in the
> kitchen
> > cooking and talking while the men stayed in the
> parlor
> > talking, smoking and eating pistachio's!
> >
> > I've also seen similar separation between males
> and
> > females in Mexico. There, the woman all work in
> the
> > kitchen while the men stand outside the house
> around a
> > pickup truck drinking Corona's! (of course the men
> do
> > very hard ranch work there during the week).
> >
> > It's as if the two genders live in two separate
> > worlds. I think things tend to be this way in many
> > countries throughout the world. I have come to the
> > conclusion that the American mixing of the genders
> in
> > our workplaces and in socializing is not as common
> > throughout the rest of the world, especially in
> the
> > Latin countries from what I've seen.
> >
> > So that we can all be more truly Italian I have a
> > great idea for next year!! At the next Rochester
> > reunion, why don't we have Terry Skibiski, Paul
> Caito,
> > myself and all the other men go hang around
> outside
> > talking for a few hours while all the gals stay in
> the
> > kitchen and make cannolis for all of us? Yes?
> Maybe??
> > In my dreams? LOL
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- Corie Lindemann <corielind at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Another thing that struck me about life in
> Termini
> >> Imerese was the groups of
> >> men standing around talking... everywhere! When I
> >> woke up, I'd look out and
> >> see the men gathered in a small group in front of
> >> Catalano's Bar on the
> >> corner. They would be having an animated
> discussion
> >> (I discovered there is
> >> really no other type in Sicily!)for hours!! Come
> >> back at noon... still a
> >> group (larger now) of men talking. They would
> leave
> >> at 1 for a few hours in
> >> the afternoon and BOOM, they'd be back all
> >> evening... TALKING.  Never any
> >> women. Never sitting. Always standing and
> talking.
> >> Sometimes the
> >> neighborhood boys would be playing in the piazza
> >> nearby starting to model
> >> that behavior, I imagine.
> >> This was mirrored up by the Piazza del Duomo...
> and
> >> down by the park near
> >> the port... and at Piazza Umberto. It didn't seem
> to
> >> matter what day of the
> >> week it was. I started to wonder what the men did
> >> for a living, if they
> >> rotated shifts for the piazza chats, or if it was
> >> the same guys all day each
> >> day. Were they taking a break from fishing? or
> >> farming? What could they be
> >> talking about for that long each day? Was it
> >> politics? Work? Family? Sports?
> >> I find it hard to imagine my husband carrying on
> >> conversations with a group
> >> of men for that long each day (especially without
> a
> >> football game on in
> >> front of them!) (sorry, don't mean to be sexist
> --
> >> just seems like women
> >> talk more than men in my corner of the world!
> maybe
> >> its all those quiet
> >> Scandinavians in Minnesota)
> >> I would see the women sitting outside their
> >> respective house doors talking
> >> with other women who were sitting in front of
> their
> >> doors down the street,
> >> or the women were sweeping the
> street/alley/sidewalk
> >> in front of their door,
> >> or hanging the clothes out on the balcony and
> >> chatting with the women on the
> >> next balcony or across the street.  The women
> didn't
> >> seem to gather in
> >> public nearly as much as the men.
> >> And the town was rarely quiet. You could
> constantly
> >> hear conversations
> >> wafting up from the streets and windows, even as
> we
> >> sat on the hotel roof
> >> garden.
> >> Just another interesting take on the culture of
> >> Termini. It was just
> >> fascinating!
> >>
> >> Corie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From sah71052 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 18 18:49:09 2006
From: sah71052 at yahoo.com (Sheryl Hartnett)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:49:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Help with an Italian name pronunciation
In-Reply-To: <101820060039.11776.453577DE0005DE1C00002E002206998499C0CAC7CE00070AADAC@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20061018154909.11856.qmail@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If she wanting it to sound different than ros-a- LEE-
a?  Like Ro-ZAL-e-a?  My take is, family are the only
ones that will pronounce it that way.  If it is
spelled like "Rosalia", she will, for a lifetime, be
correcting 99% of peoples' pronunciation.  They will
inevitably say ros-a-LEE-a.  

Sheryl  :)


--- SReif1956 at comcast.net wrote:

> My Austrian grandmother was Rosalia 
> Haselbacher....she pronounced her name as Laura has
> written...Ro SA lee a.  However she had a Germanic
> accent in her voice pattern, so it wasn't quite the
> same as listening to an Italian.
> 
> Sharon
>  -------------- Original message
> ----------------------
> From: Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
> > Rosalia - but the i and the a are both pronounced.
>  I met someone with 
> > this name in TI and she pronounced it -
> Roz-ah-lee-ah with the emphasis 
> > on the first ah
> > 
> > anniegoe wrote:
> >
> 
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From kimsansone at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 19 01:40:49 2006
From: kimsansone at sbcglobal.net (Kim Sansone)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:40:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] men standing around talking
In-Reply-To: <20061018164540.16452.qmail@web60325.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20061018224049.39128.qmail@web81714.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I remember going to grandma's house every Sunday for
dinner.  Grandma always cooked and the men sat in the
living room.  After dinner, the women cleaned up and
then the men went in the living room and talked.  

After the kitchen was cleaned up, women and men would
sit at the kitchen table and play cards.  They would
argue with each other, accuse each other of cheating
all for pennies!!!  

Funny thing is... When we go to my parents for dinner,
it is my dad that cooks, not my Irish/German mother.  
My dad even cleans up, unless my sister and I beat him
to it.   

As far as being loud.  My cousin Joe's dad is the
loudest person I have ever met, just slightly above my
father and Joe's sister Cookie.  

I had friends growing up, who would come over when
family was there and couldn't figure out why everyone
was yelling at each other.  We would try to explain to
them that no one was yelling or mad at each other, but
they just didn't understand. 

One of my friends of over 20 years has now figured it
all out and fits right in, as if she was raised
Sicilian and not German.  She soooo wishes she was
Sicilian, she loves the culture, the food and the
people. 

   

--- Ken Geraci <ken_geraci at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Joan, I was thinking about what you wrote and you're
> correct. Probably those of you over 60 are wondering
> why I was describing this as being "more Italian"
> since you probably still do this (women cooking
> while
> men talk) here in America and Canada. I guess the
> novelty would be more for younger guys like me, Paul
> and Terry - those of us men who are of the younger
> generation who have probably not experienced the
> concept of men standing around talking while the
> women
> did kitchen work. Instead we have experienced the
> concept of having a kitchen utensil thrown at us if
> we
> don't get in the kitchen and give a hand!
> 
> Ken
> 
> --- Joan Petrulis <jlip37 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> > To quote Ken: "So that we can all be more truly
> > Italian I have a
> > great idea for next year!! At the next Rochester
> > reunion, why don't we have Terry Skibiski, Paul
> > Caito,
> > myself and all the other men go hang around
> outside
> > talking for a few hours while all the gals stay in
> > the
> > kitchen and make cannolis for all of us? Yes?
> > Maybe??
> > In my dreams?" LOL
> > 
> > So what is different about that? Was this not a
> > description of our 
> > traditional holiday gatherings back in Chicago,
> when
> > the whole family would 
> > get  together? The only difference is that
> "outside"
> > was the living room. 
> > LVL (laugh very loud)
> > 
> > Can't really say that I have significantly changed
> > the tradition but I love 
> > having family over and I love having grandkids
> enjoy
> > my cooking.
> > 
> > Joan P.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Ken Geraci" <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
> > To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TI] men standing around talking
> > 
> > 
> > > Corie,
> > >
> > > The groups of men standing around talking must
> be
> > a
> > > universal Latin thing. I noticed it too when I
> was
> > in
> > > Termini and also throughout Italy (and in Mexico
> > if
> > > you count this as another Latin country).
> > >
> > > As a man in Italy, I found myself being involved
> > in
> > > these all-male social groups. In the Plaza
> outside
> > the
> > > duomo the guys mostly hung out together (except
> > for
> > > the ones who had a girlfriend) and the women did
> > > similarly. Men seem more "brotherly" there and
> > enjoy
> > > hanging out in groups and I didn't seem to find
> as
> > > much individualism there as I might find here in
> > > Texas.
> > >
> > > The same pattern held in other parts of Italy,
> > too.
> > > When I was in Naples I was astonished when
> several
> > men
> > > of a family I was with at a restaurant stood up
> > from
> > > the table and announced they were all going
> > together
> > > to the restroom to wash their hands and they
> > invited
> > > me to come also! Perhaps this is to protect
> their
> > > sisters, daughters, etc. from being left
> > unattended
> > > with a man they don't know too well? At another
> > party
> > > in southern Italy, the women all stayed in the
> > kitchen
> > > cooking and talking while the men stayed in the
> > parlor
> > > talking, smoking and eating pistachio's!
> > >
> > > I've also seen similar separation between males
> > and
> > > females in Mexico. There, the woman all work in
> > the
> > > kitchen while the men stand outside the house
> > around a
> > > pickup truck drinking Corona's! (of course the
> men
> > do
> > > very hard ranch work there during the week).
> > >
> > > It's as if the two genders live in two separate
> > > worlds. I think things tend to be this way in
> many
> > > countries throughout the world. I have come to
> the
> > > conclusion that the American mixing of the
> genders
> > in
> > > our workplaces and in socializing is not as
> common
> > > throughout the rest of the world, especially in
> > the
> > > Latin countries from what I've seen.
> > >
> > > So that we can all be more truly Italian I have
> a
> > > great idea for next year!! At the next Rochester
> > > reunion, why don't we have Terry Skibiski, Paul
> > Caito,
> > > myself and all the other men go hang around
> > outside
> > > talking for a few hours while all the gals stay
> in
> > the
> > > kitchen and make cannolis for all of us? Yes?
> > Maybe??
> > > In my dreams? LOL
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > --- Corie Lindemann <corielind at msn.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Another thing that struck me about life in
> > Termini
> > >> Imerese was the groups of
> > >> men standing around talking... everywhere! When
> I
> > >> woke up, I'd look out and
> > >> see the men gathered in a small group in front
> of
> > >> Catalano's Bar on the
> > >> corner. They would be having an animated
> > discussion
> > >> (I discovered there is
> > >> really no other type in Sicily!)for hours!!
> Come
> > >> back at noon... still a
> > >> group (larger now) of men talking. They would
> > leave
> > >> at 1 for a few hours in
> > >> the afternoon and BOOM, they'd be back all
> > >> evening... TALKING.  Never any
> > >> women. Never sitting. Always standing and
> > talking.
> > >> Sometimes the
> > >> neighborhood boys would be playing in the
> piazza
> > >> nearby starting to model
> > >> that behavior, I imagine.
> > >> This was mirrored up by the Piazza del Duomo...
> > and
> > >> down by the park near
> > >> the port... and at Piazza Umberto. It didn't
> seem
> > to
> > >> matter what day of the
> > >> week it was. I started to wonder what the men
> did
> > >> for a living, if they
> > >> rotated shifts for the piazza chats, or if it
> was
> > >> the same guys all day each
> > >> day. Were they taking a break from fishing? or
> > >> farming? What could they be
> > >> talking about for that long each day? Was it
> > >> politics? Work? Family? Sports?
> > >> I find it hard to imagine my husband carrying
> on
> > >> conversations with a group
> > >> of men for that long each day (especially
> without
> > a
> 
=== message truncated ===




From anniegoe at fyi.net  Thu Oct 19 01:39:40 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:39:40 -0400
Subject: [TI] Help with an Italian name pronunciation
References: <20061018154909.11856.qmail@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.153.87$.012801c6f306$4daa5640$419950ce@DJZBSK81>

I know that!  I told her.  I do not like Rosaleea.
That is a common name in our family here and "there".
She is going to call her Rozalea  (Rosalia).
She is very American. The baby looks like an albina, she is sooo blond.
I would prefer an Italian looking baby with that name.  But this Grandchild 
of my sister, loved her Grandmother.  You could not change her mind.
I wanted  CHINA    BLUE    OR   RAIN.
But I am only a Great Great Aunt to  this baby.  The Mother is my Great 
Niece.
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sheryl Hartnett" <sah71052 at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] Help with an Italian name pronunciation


> If she wanting it to sound different than ros-a- LEE-
> a?  Like Ro-ZAL-e-a?  My take is, family are the only
> ones that will pronounce it that way.  If it is
> spelled like "Rosalia", she will, for a lifetime, be
> correcting 99% of peoples' pronunciation.  They will
> inevitably say ros-a-LEE-a.
>
> Sheryl  :)
>
>
> --- SReif1956 at comcast.net wrote:
>
>> My Austrian grandmother was Rosalia
>> Haselbacher....she pronounced her name as Laura has
>> written...Ro SA lee a.  However she had a Germanic
>> accent in her voice pattern, so it wasn't quite the
>> same as listening to an Italian.
>>
>> Sharon
>>  -------------- Original message
>> ----------------------
>> From: Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
>> > Rosalia - but the i and the a are both pronounced.
>>  I met someone with
>> > this name in TI and she pronounced it -
>> Roz-ah-lee-ah with the emphasis
>> > on the first ah
>> >
>> > anniegoe wrote:
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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>
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Thu Oct 19 02:16:10 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:16:10 -0500
Subject: [TI] Italian Surnames
In-Reply-To: <20061018224049.39128.qmail@web81714.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20061018224049.39128.qmail@web81714.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>From a recent article in Corriere della Sera (September 16, 2006) on surnames that you may find interesting

 

ITALIA, REGNO DELLA FANTASIA
? Forse non tutti sanno che l?Italia, con circa 350mila cognomi
differenti censiti, come riporta Wikipedia, ? il Paese al mondo con la
maggiore variet? di nomi di famiglia (terra di creativi anche in
questo?). Secondo i dati rilevati dall'Istat, sommando i possessori dei
_dieci cognomi pi? diffusi,_ <http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2006/09_Settembre/15/pop_nomi1.shtml>
da Rossi a Greco, si copre all?incirca l?1% della popolazione
nazionale. Invece, facendo la stessa cosa in Danimarca, da Jensen a
J?rgensen, ben il 33%. I cognomi italiani pi? lunghi hanno 18 lettere,
i pi? brevi appena due. L?origine dei cognomi nostrani ? varia: per lo
pi? derivano da nomi di persona, di luogo, da professioni o da
soprannomi; in massima parte nacquero nel Medio Evo. Spesso, inoltre, ?
facile rintracciare la provenienza geografica di una persona a partire
dal suo cognome: _dimmi come ti chiami e ti dir? di dove sei. _ <http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2006/09_Settembre/15/pop_nomi2.shtml>La
cosa non pu? avvenire, ad esempio, in Turchia, dove, dopo la
rivoluzione kemalista, tutti gli abitanti, fino ad allora privi di
cognome, furono obbligati, letteralmente, ad inventarsene uno dalla
sera alla mattina. Mustafa Kemal scelse ?Atat?rk?, cio? ?Padre dei
turchi?, e per legge nessun altro si potr? chiamare cos? 

 

To paraphrase:

 

Italy has over 350,000 different surnames - the largest variety in the world according to Wikipedia.

 

The 10 most common (which make up only 1% of the population in contrast with the most common in Denmark which make up 33%) are:

 

1.Rossi 

2.Russo 

3.Ferrari 

4.Esposito 

5.Bianchi 

6.Romano 

7.Colombo 

8.Ricci 

9.Marino 

10.Greco
 

The longest surname has 18 letters and the shortest has 2.  The origins
are varied: name, place, profession, nickname and most came about in
the middle ages.

 

They also go on to say that you can determine where a surname came from by it's ending as follows:

 



-isi 	es. Puglisi 	Campani o siciliani
-aloro 	es. Favaloro 	Siciliani
-ago/-aghi 	es. Salmoiraghi 	Lombardi
-ate/-ati 	es. Donati 	Lombardi
-l/-n/-r 	es. Benetton 	Veneti
-acco 	es. Bissacco 	Veneti
-otti/-utti 	es. Bortolotti 	Friulani
-t 	es. Rigonat 	Friulani
-ai 	es. Bollai 	Toscani
-aci/-ecci/-ucci 	es. Balducci 	Toscani
-u 	es. Schirru 	Sardi
-as 	es. Marras 	Sardi
-ero 	es. Ferrero 	Piemontesi
-audi 	es. Rambaudi 	Piemontesi
-asco 	es. Comasco 	Piemontesi o liguri
-ace 	es. Storace 	Calabresi




From joseph at laiacona.org  Thu Oct 19 04:15:35 2006
From: joseph at laiacona.org (Joseph Laiacona)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:15:35 -0500
Subject: [TI] Italian Surnames
References: <20061018224049.39128.qmail@web81714.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4536B5BA.4000305@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <006601c6f31c$153e8310$220110ac@JACK>

I find it interesting that one of the "top ten" names is Esposito.... It was 
given to those orphaned children left on the wheel or the doorstep.

So much for the theory of "wanted children." Happily someone did want them 
and care for them.

Joe


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From: "Laura Johnson" <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:16 PM
Subject: [TI] Italian Surnames


>From a recent article in Corriere della Sera (September 16, 2006) on 
>surnames that you may find interesting



ITALIA, REGNO DELLA FANTASIA
? Forse non tutti sanno che l?Italia, con circa 350mila cognomi
differenti censiti, come riporta Wikipedia, ? il Paese al mondo con la
maggiore variet? di nomi di famiglia (terra di creativi anche in
questo?). Secondo i dati rilevati dall'Istat, sommando i possessori dei
_dieci cognomi pi? diffusi,_ 
<http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2006/09_Settembre/15/pop_nomi1.shtml>
da Rossi a Greco, si copre all?incirca l?1% della popolazione
nazionale. Invece, facendo la stessa cosa in Danimarca, da Jensen a
J?rgensen, ben il 33%. I cognomi italiani pi? lunghi hanno 18 lettere,
i pi? brevi appena due. L?origine dei cognomi nostrani ? varia: per lo
pi? derivano da nomi di persona, di luogo, da professioni o da
soprannomi; in massima parte nacquero nel Medio Evo. Spesso, inoltre, ?
facile rintracciare la provenienza geografica di una persona a partire
dal suo cognome: _dimmi come ti chiami e ti dir? di dove sei. _ 
<http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2006/09_Settembre/15/pop_nomi2.shtml>La
cosa non pu? avvenire, ad esempio, in Turchia, dove, dopo la
rivoluzione kemalista, tutti gli abitanti, fino ad allora privi di
cognome, furono obbligati, letteralmente, ad inventarsene uno dalla
sera alla mattina. Mustafa Kemal scelse ?Atat?rk?, cio? ?Padre dei
turchi?, e per legge nessun altro si potr? chiamare cos?



To paraphrase:



Italy has over 350,000 different surnames - the largest variety in the world 
according to Wikipedia.



The 10 most common (which make up only 1% of the population in contrast with 
the most common in Denmark which make up 33%) are:



1.Rossi

2.Russo

3.Ferrari

4.Esposito

5.Bianchi

6.Romano

7.Colombo

8.Ricci

9.Marino

10.Greco


The longest surname has 18 letters and the shortest has 2.  The origins
are varied: name, place, profession, nickname and most came about in
the middle ages.



They also go on to say that you can determine where a surname came from by 
it's ending as follows:





-isi es. Puglisi Campani o siciliani
-aloro es. Favaloro Siciliani
-ago/-aghi es. Salmoiraghi Lombardi
-ate/-ati es. Donati Lombardi
-l/-n/-r es. Benetton Veneti
-acco es. Bissacco Veneti
-otti/-utti es. Bortolotti Friulani
-t es. Rigonat Friulani
-ai es. Bollai Toscani
-aci/-ecci/-ucci es. Balducci Toscani
-u es. Schirru Sardi
-as es. Marras Sardi
-ero es. Ferrero Piemontesi
-audi es. Rambaudi Piemontesi
-asco es. Comasco Piemontesi o liguri
-ace es. Storace Calabresi


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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 19 07:12:35 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:12:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Help with an Italian name pronunciation
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Cousin Ann,

Do I understand that you want to name the baby "CHINA"
or "RAIN" or am I misunderstanding?? If this is the
case, I actually like Rosalia better!! Of course, I'm
more of a traditionalist (which probably everyone
knows that by now! LOL). By the way, this child is
also my relative, too, right? How about calling her
Rosina? 

My first cousin, Linda (who is your 4th cousin) has a
little girl (3 yr old?) she calls Rosie and I'm
embarrased to say that I forgot whether her full name
is Rosalia or Rosina. She was named after my
grandfather's sister Rosie who herself was named after
her grandmother, Rosalia Navarra who was your
great-great-grandmother's sister. Isn't it amazing
that there are still babies being born in the 21st
century that are ultimately named after people in
Termini in the 19th century? 

Ken
--- anniegoe <anniegoe at fyi.net> wrote:

> I know that!  I told her.  I do not like Rosaleea.
> That is a common name in our family here and
> "there".
> She is going to call her Rozalea  (Rosalia).
> She is very American. The baby looks like an albina,
> she is sooo blond.
> I would prefer an Italian looking baby with that
> name.  But this Grandchild 
> of my sister, loved her Grandmother.  You could not
> change her mind.
> I wanted  CHINA    BLUE    OR   RAIN.
> But I am only a Great Great Aunt to  this baby.  The
> Mother is my Great 
> Niece.
> Ann
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sheryl Hartnett" <sah71052 at yahoo.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [TI] Help with an Italian name
> pronunciation
> 
> 
> > If she wanting it to sound different than ros-a-
> LEE-
> > a?  Like Ro-ZAL-e-a?  My take is, family are the
> only
> > ones that will pronounce it that way.  If it is
> > spelled like "Rosalia", she will, for a lifetime,
> be
> > correcting 99% of peoples' pronunciation.  They
> will
> > inevitably say ros-a-LEE-a.
> >
> > Sheryl  :)
> >
> >
> > --- SReif1956 at comcast.net wrote:
> >
> >> My Austrian grandmother was Rosalia
> >> Haselbacher....she pronounced her name as Laura
> has
> >> written...Ro SA lee a.  However she had a
> Germanic
> >> accent in her voice pattern, so it wasn't quite
> the
> >> same as listening to an Italian.
> >>
> >> Sharon
> >>  -------------- Original message
> >> ----------------------
> >> From: Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
> >> > Rosalia - but the i and the a are both
> pronounced.
> >>  I met someone with
> >> > this name in TI and she pronounced it -
> >> Roz-ah-lee-ah with the emphasis
> >> > on the first ah
> >> >
> >> > anniegoe wrote:
> >> >
> >>
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From gserrino at verizon.net  Thu Oct 19 14:12:38 2006
From: gserrino at verizon.net (Gerald Serrino)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:12:38 -0400
Subject: [TI] Ken Geraci-Italian Names
References: <20061019041235.45470.qmail@web60325.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801c6f36f$7d167120$6501a8c0@Jerry>

Ken,
Your comments about traditional Italian names brings memories. As a boy 
there was an elderly lady I thought was a nun because she always wore black, 
complete with a head covering, whose name was Catalina Muio. She wore it to 
greave her husband, not just for a year, but all her life. My grandmother 
was named Cosmina and my mom was almost named Crucicificia because she was 
born on the feast of the cross and,after eight girls and three boys, my 
grandmother had taken care of the naming traditions. Indeed it is wonderful 
to see naming traditions continue. By the way, I have a grand nephew named 
Sterling. Needless to say, I don't like the name.

Jerry
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Geraci" <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] Help with an Italian name pronunciation


> Cousin Ann,
>
> Do I understand that you want to name the baby "CHINA"
> or "RAIN" or am I misunderstanding?? If this is the
> case, I actually like Rosalia better!! Of course, I'm
> more of a traditionalist (which probably everyone
> knows that by now! LOL). By the way, this child is
> also my relative, too, right? How about calling her
> Rosina?
>
> My first cousin, Linda (who is your 4th cousin) has a
> little girl (3 yr old?) she calls Rosie and I'm
> embarrased to say that I forgot whether her full name
> is Rosalia or Rosina. She was named after my
> grandfather's sister Rosie who herself was named after
> her grandmother, Rosalia Navarra who was your
> great-great-grandmother's sister. Isn't it amazing
> that there are still babies being born in the 21st
> century that are ultimately named after people in
> Termini in the 19th century?
>
> Ken
> --- anniegoe <anniegoe at fyi.net> wrote:
>
>> I know that!  I told her.  I do not like Rosaleea.
>> That is a common name in our family here and
>> "there".
>> She is going to call her Rozalea  (Rosalia).
>> She is very American. The baby looks like an albina,
>> she is sooo blond.
>> I would prefer an Italian looking baby with that
>> name.  But this Grandchild
>> of my sister, loved her Grandmother.  You could not
>> change her mind.
>> I wanted  CHINA    BLUE    OR   RAIN.
>> But I am only a Great Great Aunt to  this baby.  The
>> Mother is my Great
>> Niece.
>> Ann
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Sheryl Hartnett" <sah71052 at yahoo.com>
>> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [TI] Help with an Italian name
>> pronunciation
>>
>>
>> > If she wanting it to sound different than ros-a-
>> LEE-
>> > a?  Like Ro-ZAL-e-a?  My take is, family are the
>> only
>> > ones that will pronounce it that way.  If it is
>> > spelled like "Rosalia", she will, for a lifetime,
>> be
>> > correcting 99% of peoples' pronunciation.  They
>> will
>> > inevitably say ros-a-LEE-a.
>> >
>> > Sheryl  :)
>> >
>> >
>> > --- SReif1956 at comcast.net wrote:
>> >
>> >> My Austrian grandmother was Rosalia
>> >> Haselbacher....she pronounced her name as Laura
>> has
>> >> written...Ro SA lee a.  However she had a
>> Germanic
>> >> accent in her voice pattern, so it wasn't quite
>> the
>> >> same as listening to an Italian.
>> >>
>> >> Sharon
>> >>  -------------- Original message
>> >> ----------------------
>> >> From: Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
>> >> > Rosalia - but the i and the a are both
>> pronounced.
>> >>  I met someone with
>> >> > this name in TI and she pronounced it -
>> >> Roz-ah-lee-ah with the emphasis
>> >> > on the first ah
>> >> >
>> >> > anniegoe wrote:
>> >> >
>> >>
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From jlip37 at verizon.net  Thu Oct 19 16:10:17 2006
From: jlip37 at verizon.net (Joan Petrulis)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:10:17 -0500
Subject: [TI] men standing around talking
References: <20061018164540.16452.qmail@web60325.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006201c6f37f$ed49a2e0$4001a8c0@Gonzo>

I like that picture:  kitchen utensils flying through the air! It has taken 
me thirty years of guidance and grooming to get my husband to participate in 
kitchen duty. We are still cleaning spaghetti sauce spots off the wall from 
the last altercation. LOL
Joan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Geraci" <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] men standing around talking


> Joan, I was thinking about what you wrote and you're
> correct. Probably those of you over 60 are wondering
> why I was describing this as being "more Italian"
> since you probably still do this (women cooking while
> men talk) here in America and Canada. I guess the
> novelty would be more for younger guys like me, Paul
> and Terry - those of us men who are of the younger
> generation who have probably not experienced the
> concept of men standing around talking while the women
> did kitchen work. Instead we have experienced the
> concept of having a kitchen utensil thrown at us if we
> don't get in the kitchen and give a hand!
>
> Ken
>
> --- Joan Petrulis <jlip37 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> To quote Ken: "So that we can all be more truly
>> Italian I have a
>> great idea for next year!! At the next Rochester
>> reunion, why don't we have Terry Skibiski, Paul
>> Caito,
>> myself and all the other men go hang around outside
>> talking for a few hours while all the gals stay in
>> the
>> kitchen and make cannolis for all of us? Yes?
>> Maybe??
>> In my dreams?" LOL
>>
>> So what is different about that? Was this not a
>> description of our
>> traditional holiday gatherings back in Chicago, when
>> the whole family would
>> get  together? The only difference is that "outside"
>> was the living room.
>> LVL (laugh very loud)
>>
>> Can't really say that I have significantly changed
>> the tradition but I love
>> having family over and I love having grandkids enjoy
>> my cooking.
>>
>> Joan P.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ken Geraci" <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
>> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TI] men standing around talking
>>
>>
>> > Corie,
>> >
>> > The groups of men standing around talking must be
>> a
>> > universal Latin thing. I noticed it too when I was
>> in
>> > Termini and also throughout Italy (and in Mexico
>> if
>> > you count this as another Latin country).
>> >
>> > As a man in Italy, I found myself being involved
>> in
>> > these all-male social groups. In the Plaza outside
>> the
>> > duomo the guys mostly hung out together (except
>> for
>> > the ones who had a girlfriend) and the women did
>> > similarly. Men seem more "brotherly" there and
>> enjoy
>> > hanging out in groups and I didn't seem to find as
>> > much individualism there as I might find here in
>> > Texas.
>> >
>> > The same pattern held in other parts of Italy,
>> too.
>> > When I was in Naples I was astonished when several
>> men
>> > of a family I was with at a restaurant stood up
>> from
>> > the table and announced they were all going
>> together
>> > to the restroom to wash their hands and they
>> invited
>> > me to come also! Perhaps this is to protect their
>> > sisters, daughters, etc. from being left
>> unattended
>> > with a man they don't know too well? At another
>> party
>> > in southern Italy, the women all stayed in the
>> kitchen
>> > cooking and talking while the men stayed in the
>> parlor
>> > talking, smoking and eating pistachio's!
>> >
>> > I've also seen similar separation between males
>> and
>> > females in Mexico. There, the woman all work in
>> the
>> > kitchen while the men stand outside the house
>> around a
>> > pickup truck drinking Corona's! (of course the men
>> do
>> > very hard ranch work there during the week).
>> >
>> > It's as if the two genders live in two separate
>> > worlds. I think things tend to be this way in many
>> > countries throughout the world. I have come to the
>> > conclusion that the American mixing of the genders
>> in
>> > our workplaces and in socializing is not as common
>> > throughout the rest of the world, especially in
>> the
>> > Latin countries from what I've seen.
>> >
>> > So that we can all be more truly Italian I have a
>> > great idea for next year!! At the next Rochester
>> > reunion, why don't we have Terry Skibiski, Paul
>> Caito,
>> > myself and all the other men go hang around
>> outside
>> > talking for a few hours while all the gals stay in
>> the
>> > kitchen and make cannolis for all of us? Yes?
>> Maybe??
>> > In my dreams? LOL
>> >
>> > Ken
>> >
>> > --- Corie Lindemann <corielind at msn.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Another thing that struck me about life in
>> Termini
>> >> Imerese was the groups of
>> >> men standing around talking... everywhere! When I
>> >> woke up, I'd look out and
>> >> see the men gathered in a small group in front of
>> >> Catalano's Bar on the
>> >> corner. They would be having an animated
>> discussion
>> >> (I discovered there is
>> >> really no other type in Sicily!)for hours!! Come
>> >> back at noon... still a
>> >> group (larger now) of men talking. They would
>> leave
>> >> at 1 for a few hours in
>> >> the afternoon and BOOM, they'd be back all
>> >> evening... TALKING.  Never any
>> >> women. Never sitting. Always standing and
>> talking.
>> >> Sometimes the
>> >> neighborhood boys would be playing in the piazza
>> >> nearby starting to model
>> >> that behavior, I imagine.
>> >> This was mirrored up by the Piazza del Duomo...
>> and
>> >> down by the park near
>> >> the port... and at Piazza Umberto. It didn't seem
>> to
>> >> matter what day of the
>> >> week it was. I started to wonder what the men did
>> >> for a living, if they
>> >> rotated shifts for the piazza chats, or if it was
>> >> the same guys all day each
>> >> day. Were they taking a break from fishing? or
>> >> farming? What could they be
>> >> talking about for that long each day? Was it
>> >> politics? Work? Family? Sports?
>> >> I find it hard to imagine my husband carrying on
>> >> conversations with a group
>> >> of men for that long each day (especially without
>> a
>> >> football game on in
>> >> front of them!) (sorry, don't mean to be sexist
>> --
>> >> just seems like women
>> >> talk more than men in my corner of the world!
>> maybe
>> >> its all those quiet
>> >> Scandinavians in Minnesota)
>> >> I would see the women sitting outside their
>> >> respective house doors talking
>> >> with other women who were sitting in front of
>> their
>> >> doors down the street,
>> >> or the women were sweeping the
>> street/alley/sidewalk
>> >> in front of their door,
>> >> or hanging the clothes out on the balcony and
>> >> chatting with the women on the
>> >> next balcony or across the street.  The women
>> didn't
>> >> seem to gather in
>> >> public nearly as much as the men.
>> >> And the town was rarely quiet. You could
>> constantly
>> >> hear conversations
>> >> wafting up from the streets and windows, even as
>> we
>> >> sat on the hotel roof
>> >> garden.
>> >> Just another interesting take on the culture of
>> >> Termini. It was just
>> >> fascinating!
>> >>
>> >> Corie
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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From wlotter at naples.net  Fri Oct 20 13:51:19 2006
From: wlotter at naples.net (Rosalie Lohmann)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:51:19 -0400
Subject: [TI] More pictures added
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	<45318164.1000405@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c6f435$ad4a2780$0ce2a1cd@hmkjd01>

Hi Laura, and any St. Louis Cardinal fans,

Greetings from Naples, -- The Carinals won the pennant -- so excited, my
blood pressure is going wild.  I am so happy  for them and St. Louis.  It's
been a long time coming but THEY did it!!

Rosalie
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Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 8:31 PM
Subject: [TI] More pictures added


> http://www.termini-imerese.org/Reunion/2006TI/Reunion2006.htm
> Duomo section has been added
>
>
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From philcutrara1 at netzero.net  Fri Oct 20 19:45:14 2006
From: philcutrara1 at netzero.net (Phil Cutrara)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:45:14 GMT
Subject: [TI] Italian Surnames 3.Ferrari
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Sat Oct 21 01:59:38 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:59:38 -0400
Subject: [TI] visitors
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If he drives up tell him to call me before so I am around.
Cousin Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Geraci" <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] visitors


> Cousin Ann,
>
> I had heard about Diane and the other relatives coming
> and I almost entertained the idea to try to run up
> there and join everyone but it wasn't in the cards.
> However, I hope to be able to meet Diane and the
> others sometime soon. I still need to catch up and
> visit you, yourself, after saying that I'm going to do
> it for over 3 years.
>
> My youngest brother, Marc, is a fanatical Steelers fan
> and he drives to Pittsburgh (from Austin!!)sometimes
> to see their games. If he's going this year maybe I'll
> ride with him. Trouble is he goes straight to the
> Steeler's game and then he rushes back through ten
> states to be back at work on Monday! (yes, my parent's
> think he's nuts!)
>
> Ken
>
> --- anniegoe <anniegoe at fyi.net> wrote:
>
>> I hope many of you can have family reunions.  Diane
>> Partain,  her Mother
>> Sarah Cacicia Amato, and two nieces came to visit
>> from Portland Oregon.
>> We had a dinner in a restaurant and 28 showed up.
>> The restaurant did not
>> think they could fit another person in our party
>> room around the table.   We
>> had fun.
>> My Aunt Marie 90 traveled from Columbus Ohio and
>> Sarah is 91.  They said
>> they were catching up!  They saw each other 2 times
>> in their lifetime.  They
>> cried when they parted.  It was a happy time and a
>> sad time.  I met Diane
>> for the first time.
>> Tony and Ken they are your distant cousins.  If you
>> travel near Washington
>> and Oregon you must meet her.
>> Ann
>>
>>
>>
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From ken_geraci at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 21 02:57:18 2006
From: ken_geraci at yahoo.com (Ken Geraci)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:57:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] visitors
In-Reply-To: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.153.4$.008501c6f49b$701aca70$439a50ce@DJZBSK81>
Message-ID: <20061020235718.41834.qmail@web60325.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, we would give you advance notice if it ever
happens. 

How far are you from Rochester, NY as far as next
year's reunion?

Ken

--- anniegoe <anniegoe at fyi.net> wrote:

> If he drives up tell him to call me before so I am
> around.
> Cousin Ann
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ken Geraci" <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] visitors
> 
> 
> > Cousin Ann,
> >
> > I had heard about Diane and the other relatives
> coming
> > and I almost entertained the idea to try to run up
> > there and join everyone but it wasn't in the
> cards.
> > However, I hope to be able to meet Diane and the
> > others sometime soon. I still need to catch up and
> > visit you, yourself, after saying that I'm going
> to do
> > it for over 3 years.
> >
> > My youngest brother, Marc, is a fanatical Steelers
> fan
> > and he drives to Pittsburgh (from
> Austin!!)sometimes
> > to see their games. If he's going this year maybe
> I'll
> > ride with him. Trouble is he goes straight to the
> > Steeler's game and then he rushes back through ten
> > states to be back at work on Monday! (yes, my
> parent's
> > think he's nuts!)
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- anniegoe <anniegoe at fyi.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I hope many of you can have family reunions. 
> Diane
> >> Partain,  her Mother
> >> Sarah Cacicia Amato, and two nieces came to visit
> >> from Portland Oregon.
> >> We had a dinner in a restaurant and 28 showed up.
> >> The restaurant did not
> >> think they could fit another person in our party
> >> room around the table.   We
> >> had fun.
> >> My Aunt Marie 90 traveled from Columbus Ohio and
> >> Sarah is 91.  They said
> >> they were catching up!  They saw each other 2
> times
> >> in their lifetime.  They
> >> cried when they parted.  It was a happy time and
> a
> >> sad time.  I met Diane
> >> for the first time.
> >> Tony and Ken they are your distant cousins.  If
> you
> >> travel near Washington
> >> and Oregon you must meet her.
> >> Ann
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TerminiImerese mailing list
> >> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >>
> >
>
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> >>
> >
> >
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From ltedesco26 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 21 07:44:00 2006
From: ltedesco26 at yahoo.com (Larie Tedesco)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:44:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi   - Lafourche Parish, Louisiana
Message-ID: <20061021044400.82785.qmail@web36213.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is a Delise line that lives in Lafourche Parish,
Louisiana


Descendants of Antonino Dilisi


Generation No. 1

1.  ANTONINO2 DILISI  (SIMONE1) died 11 Mar 1851 in
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married
SAVERIA CIRA.  She died Bef. 1866.
	
Child of ANTONINO DILISI and SAVERIA CIRA is:
2.	i.	SALVATORE3 DELISE, b. Abt. 1822, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 10 Sep 1866,
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.


Generation No. 2

2.  SALVATORE3 DELISE (ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1) was
born Abt. 1822 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily,
Italy, and died 10 Sep 1866 in Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married FILIPPA
PASSAFIUME.  She was born in Italy.
	
Child of SALVATORE DELISE and FILIPPA PASSAFIUME is:
3.	i.	GIUSEPPE4 DELISE, b. Bet. 1863 - 1866, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.


Generation No. 3

3.  GIUSEPPE4 DELISE (SALVATORE3, ANTONINO2 DILISI,
SIMONE1) was born Bet. 1863 - 1866 in Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married LUCIA (LUCILLE)
LOPINTO 18 Apr 1887 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
Sicily, Italy, daughter of MICHELE LOPINTO and MARIA
CALCAGNO.  She was born Abt. 1873 in Italy, and died
22 Sep 1931 in Lafourche Parish, La..
	
Children of GIUSEPPE DELISE and LUCIA LOPINTO are:
	i.	MICHELE5 DELISE, b. 01 Dec 1890, New Orleans, LA.
	ii.	GIUSEPPINA DELISE, b. 01 Apr 1895, New Orleans,
LA.
	iii.	INEZ DELISE, b. Abt. 1896, Police Jury Ward 3,
Lafourche, La.
	iv.	ANTHONY DELISE, b. Abt. 1897, Louisiana; d. 28
Jul 1942, Louisiana.
	v.	ANNA DELISE, b. Abt. 1898, Police Jury Ward 3,
Lafourche, La.
	vi.	LAURA DELISE, b. Abt. 1902, Police Jury Ward 3,
Lafourche, La.
4.	vii.	ARGENTINA DELISE, b. Abt. 1904, Police Jury
Ward 3, Lafourche, La; d. May 1943, New Orleans, LA.
	viii.	UNKNOWN DELISE, b. Abt. 1907, Police Jury Ward
3, Lafourche, La.
	ix.	FRANCIS DELISE, b. Abt. 1909, Louisiana.
	x.	ROSIE DELISE, b. Abt. 1912, Louisiana.


Generation No. 4

4.  ARGENTINA5 DELISE (GIUSEPPE4, SALVATORE3,
ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1) was born Abt. 1904 in
Police Jury Ward 3, Lafourche, La, and died May 1943
in New Orleans, LA.  She married NORBERT CHABERT.  
	
Children of ARGENTINA DELISE and NORBERT CHABERT are:
	i.	LUCY6 CHABERT, m. MILTON LEAYCRAFT.
	ii.	LEONARD JOSEPH CHABERT, b. Abt. 1933, Cutoff,
Louisiana; d. 26 Sep 1991, Louisiana; m. VIONA
LAPEYROUSE.





From nellie at woh.rr.com  Sat Oct 21 14:52:08 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 07:52:08 -0400
Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi   - Lafourche Parish,
	Louisiana
References: <20061021044400.82785.qmail@web36213.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c6f507$5664f170$6501a8c0@momshp>

There is a possible connection with generation 1 (Antonino).  I do not have 
enough information that far back to be certain.  Thanks for the information.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larie Tedesco" <ltedesco26 at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:44 AM
Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi - Lafourche Parish, Louisiana


> This is a Delise line that lives in Lafourche Parish,
> Louisiana
>
>
> Descendants of Antonino Dilisi
>
>
> Generation No. 1
>
> 1.  ANTONINO2 DILISI  (SIMONE1) died 11 Mar 1851 in
> Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married
> SAVERIA CIRA.  She died Bef. 1866.
>
> Child of ANTONINO DILISI and SAVERIA CIRA is:
> 2. i. SALVATORE3 DELISE, b. Abt. 1822, Termini
> Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 10 Sep 1866,
> Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>
>
> Generation No. 2
>
> 2.  SALVATORE3 DELISE (ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1) was
> born Abt. 1822 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily,
> Italy, and died 10 Sep 1866 in Termini Imerese,
> Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married FILIPPA
> PASSAFIUME.  She was born in Italy.
>
> Child of SALVATORE DELISE and FILIPPA PASSAFIUME is:
> 3. i. GIUSEPPE4 DELISE, b. Bet. 1863 - 1866, Termini
> Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>
>
> Generation No. 3
>
> 3.  GIUSEPPE4 DELISE (SALVATORE3, ANTONINO2 DILISI,
> SIMONE1) was born Bet. 1863 - 1866 in Termini Imerese,
> Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married LUCIA (LUCILLE)
> LOPINTO 18 Apr 1887 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
> Sicily, Italy, daughter of MICHELE LOPINTO and MARIA
> CALCAGNO.  She was born Abt. 1873 in Italy, and died
> 22 Sep 1931 in Lafourche Parish, La..
>
> Children of GIUSEPPE DELISE and LUCIA LOPINTO are:
> i. MICHELE5 DELISE, b. 01 Dec 1890, New Orleans, LA.
> ii. GIUSEPPINA DELISE, b. 01 Apr 1895, New Orleans,
> LA.
> iii. INEZ DELISE, b. Abt. 1896, Police Jury Ward 3,
> Lafourche, La.
> iv. ANTHONY DELISE, b. Abt. 1897, Louisiana; d. 28
> Jul 1942, Louisiana.
> v. ANNA DELISE, b. Abt. 1898, Police Jury Ward 3,
> Lafourche, La.
> vi. LAURA DELISE, b. Abt. 1902, Police Jury Ward 3,
> Lafourche, La.
> 4. vii. ARGENTINA DELISE, b. Abt. 1904, Police Jury
> Ward 3, Lafourche, La; d. May 1943, New Orleans, LA.
> viii. UNKNOWN DELISE, b. Abt. 1907, Police Jury Ward
> 3, Lafourche, La.
> ix. FRANCIS DELISE, b. Abt. 1909, Louisiana.
> x. ROSIE DELISE, b. Abt. 1912, Louisiana.
>
>
> Generation No. 4
>
> 4.  ARGENTINA5 DELISE (GIUSEPPE4, SALVATORE3,
> ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1) was born Abt. 1904 in
> Police Jury Ward 3, Lafourche, La, and died May 1943
> in New Orleans, LA.  She married NORBERT CHABERT.
>
> Children of ARGENTINA DELISE and NORBERT CHABERT are:
> i. LUCY6 CHABERT, m. MILTON LEAYCRAFT.
> ii. LEONARD JOSEPH CHABERT, b. Abt. 1933, Cutoff,
> Louisiana; d. 26 Sep 1991, Louisiana; m. VIONA
> LAPEYROUSE.
>
>
>
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Sat Oct 21 15:58:40 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:58:40 -0400
Subject: [TI] visitors
References: <20061020235718.41834.qmail@web60325.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.153.22$.002201c6f511$e8238950$169950ce@DJZBSK81>

I may go to Rochester.  It is about 4 or 5 hours.
It's easy to get to from Pgh.  Rts 79 and 90.
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Geraci" <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] visitors


> Yes, we would give you advance notice if it ever
> happens.
>
> How far are you from Rochester, NY as far as next
> year's reunion?
>
> Ken
>
> --- anniegoe <anniegoe at fyi.net> wrote:
>
>> If he drives up tell him to call me before so I am
>> around.
>> Cousin Ann
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ken Geraci" <ken_geraci at yahoo.com>
>> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TI] visitors
>>
>>
>> > Cousin Ann,
>> >
>> > I had heard about Diane and the other relatives
>> coming
>> > and I almost entertained the idea to try to run up
>> > there and join everyone but it wasn't in the
>> cards.
>> > However, I hope to be able to meet Diane and the
>> > others sometime soon. I still need to catch up and
>> > visit you, yourself, after saying that I'm going
>> to do
>> > it for over 3 years.
>> >
>> > My youngest brother, Marc, is a fanatical Steelers
>> fan
>> > and he drives to Pittsburgh (from
>> Austin!!)sometimes
>> > to see their games. If he's going this year maybe
>> I'll
>> > ride with him. Trouble is he goes straight to the
>> > Steeler's game and then he rushes back through ten
>> > states to be back at work on Monday! (yes, my
>> parent's
>> > think he's nuts!)
>> >
>> > Ken
>> >
>> > --- anniegoe <anniegoe at fyi.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I hope many of you can have family reunions.
>> Diane
>> >> Partain,  her Mother
>> >> Sarah Cacicia Amato, and two nieces came to visit
>> >> from Portland Oregon.
>> >> We had a dinner in a restaurant and 28 showed up.
>> >> The restaurant did not
>> >> think they could fit another person in our party
>> >> room around the table.   We
>> >> had fun.
>> >> My Aunt Marie 90 traveled from Columbus Ohio and
>> >> Sarah is 91.  They said
>> >> they were catching up!  They saw each other 2
>> times
>> >> in their lifetime.  They
>> >> cried when they parted.  It was a happy time and
>> a
>> >> sad time.  I met Diane
>> >> for the first time.
>> >> Tony and Ken they are your distant cousins.  If
>> you
>> >> travel near Washington
>> >> and Oregon you must meet her.
>> >> Ann
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> TerminiImerese mailing list
>> >> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> >>
>> >
>>
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>> >>
>> >
>> >
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From ltedesco26 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 22 06:41:11 2006
From: ltedesco26 at yahoo.com (Larie Tedesco)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:41:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi   - Lafourche Parish,
	Louisiana
In-Reply-To: <000901c6f507$5664f170$6501a8c0@momshp>
Message-ID: <20061022034111.80046.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nell,
     Is your information with the siblings of Antonino
or his parents.  I did not check that yet so far.
Larie

--- nell lamantia <nellie at woh.rr.com> wrote:

> There is a possible connection with generation 1
> (Antonino).  I do not have 
> enough information that far back to be certain. 
> Thanks for the information.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larie Tedesco" <ltedesco26 at yahoo.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:44 AM
> Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi -
> Lafourche Parish, Louisiana
> 
> 
> > This is a Delise line that lives in Lafourche
> Parish,
> > Louisiana
> >
> >
> > Descendants of Antonino Dilisi
> >
> >
> > Generation No. 1
> >
> > 1.  ANTONINO2 DILISI  (SIMONE1) died 11 Mar 1851
> in
> > Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He
> married
> > SAVERIA CIRA.  She died Bef. 1866.
> >
> > Child of ANTONINO DILISI and SAVERIA CIRA is:
> > 2. i. SALVATORE3 DELISE, b. Abt. 1822, Termini
> > Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 10 Sep 1866,
> > Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
> >
> >
> > Generation No. 2
> >
> > 2.  SALVATORE3 DELISE (ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1)
> was
> > born Abt. 1822 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
> Sicily,
> > Italy, and died 10 Sep 1866 in Termini Imerese,
> > Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married FILIPPA
> > PASSAFIUME.  She was born in Italy.
> >
> > Child of SALVATORE DELISE and FILIPPA PASSAFIUME
> is:
> > 3. i. GIUSEPPE4 DELISE, b. Bet. 1863 - 1866,
> Termini
> > Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
> >
> >
> > Generation No. 3
> >
> > 3.  GIUSEPPE4 DELISE (SALVATORE3, ANTONINO2
> DILISI,
> > SIMONE1) was born Bet. 1863 - 1866 in Termini
> Imerese,
> > Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married LUCIA
> (LUCILLE)
> > LOPINTO 18 Apr 1887 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
> > Sicily, Italy, daughter of MICHELE LOPINTO and
> MARIA
> > CALCAGNO.  She was born Abt. 1873 in Italy, and
> died
> > 22 Sep 1931 in Lafourche Parish, La..
> >
> > Children of GIUSEPPE DELISE and LUCIA LOPINTO are:
> > i. MICHELE5 DELISE, b. 01 Dec 1890, New Orleans,
> LA.
> > ii. GIUSEPPINA DELISE, b. 01 Apr 1895, New
> Orleans,
> > LA.
> > iii. INEZ DELISE, b. Abt. 1896, Police Jury Ward
> 3,
> > Lafourche, La.
> > iv. ANTHONY DELISE, b. Abt. 1897, Louisiana; d. 28
> > Jul 1942, Louisiana.
> > v. ANNA DELISE, b. Abt. 1898, Police Jury Ward 3,
> > Lafourche, La.
> > vi. LAURA DELISE, b. Abt. 1902, Police Jury Ward
> 3,
> > Lafourche, La.
> > 4. vii. ARGENTINA DELISE, b. Abt. 1904, Police
> Jury
> > Ward 3, Lafourche, La; d. May 1943, New Orleans,
> LA.
> > viii. UNKNOWN DELISE, b. Abt. 1907, Police Jury
> Ward
> > 3, Lafourche, La.
> > ix. FRANCIS DELISE, b. Abt. 1909, Louisiana.
> > x. ROSIE DELISE, b. Abt. 1912, Louisiana.
> >
> >
> > Generation No. 4
> >
> > 4.  ARGENTINA5 DELISE (GIUSEPPE4, SALVATORE3,
> > ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1) was born Abt. 1904 in
> > Police Jury Ward 3, Lafourche, La, and died May
> 1943
> > in New Orleans, LA.  She married NORBERT CHABERT.
> >
> > Children of ARGENTINA DELISE and NORBERT CHABERT
> are:
> > i. LUCY6 CHABERT, m. MILTON LEAYCRAFT.
> > ii. LEONARD JOSEPH CHABERT, b. Abt. 1933, Cutoff,
> > Louisiana; d. 26 Sep 1991, Louisiana; m. VIONA
> > LAPEYROUSE.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TerminiImerese mailing list
> > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >
>
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> > 
> 
> 
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From nellie at woh.rr.com  Sun Oct 22 08:01:59 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 01:01:59 -0400
Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi   - Lafourche Parish,
	Louisiana
References: <20061022034111.80046.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701c6f597$34c17bc0$6501a8c0@momshp>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larie Tedesco" <ltedesco26 at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi - Lafourche Parish, 
Louisiana


> Nell,
>     Is your information with the siblings of Antonino
> or his parents.  I did not check that yet so far.
> Larie
>
> --- nell lamantia <nellie at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> There is a possible connection with generation 1
>> (Antonino).  I do not have
>> enough information that far back to be certain.
>> Thanks for the information.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Larie Tedesco" <ltedesco26 at yahoo.com>
>> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:44 AM
>> Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi -
>> Lafourche Parish, Louisiana
>>
>>
>> > This is a Delise line that lives in Lafourche
>> Parish,
>> > Louisiana
>> >
>> >
>> > Descendants of Antonino Dilisi
>> >
>> >
>> > Generation No. 1
>> >
>> > 1.  ANTONINO2 DILISI  (SIMONE1) died 11 Mar 1851
>> in
>> > Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He
>> married
>> > SAVERIA CIRA.  She died Bef. 1866.
>> >
>> > Child of ANTONINO DILISI and SAVERIA CIRA is:
>> > 2. i. SALVATORE3 DELISE, b. Abt. 1822, Termini
>> > Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 10 Sep 1866,
>> > Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>> >
>> >
>> > Generation No. 2
>> >
>> > 2.  SALVATORE3 DELISE (ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1)
>> was
>> > born Abt. 1822 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
>> Sicily,
>> > Italy, and died 10 Sep 1866 in Termini Imerese,
>> > Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married FILIPPA
>> > PASSAFIUME.  She was born in Italy.
>> >
>> > Child of SALVATORE DELISE and FILIPPA PASSAFIUME
>> is:
>> > 3. i. GIUSEPPE4 DELISE, b. Bet. 1863 - 1866,
>> Termini
>> > Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>> >
>> >
>> > Generation No. 3
>> >
>> > 3.  GIUSEPPE4 DELISE (SALVATORE3, ANTONINO2
>> DILISI,
>> > SIMONE1) was born Bet. 1863 - 1866 in Termini
>> Imerese,
>> > Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married LUCIA
>> (LUCILLE)
>> > LOPINTO 18 Apr 1887 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
>> > Sicily, Italy, daughter of MICHELE LOPINTO and
>> MARIA
>> > CALCAGNO.  She was born Abt. 1873 in Italy, and
>> died
>> > 22 Sep 1931 in Lafourche Parish, La..
>> >
>> > Children of GIUSEPPE DELISE and LUCIA LOPINTO are:
>> > i. MICHELE5 DELISE, b. 01 Dec 1890, New Orleans,
>> LA.
>> > ii. GIUSEPPINA DELISE, b. 01 Apr 1895, New
>> Orleans,
>> > LA.
>> > iii. INEZ DELISE, b. Abt. 1896, Police Jury Ward
>> 3,
>> > Lafourche, La.
>> > iv. ANTHONY DELISE, b. Abt. 1897, Louisiana; d. 28
>> > Jul 1942, Louisiana.
>> > v. ANNA DELISE, b. Abt. 1898, Police Jury Ward 3,
>> > Lafourche, La.
>> > vi. LAURA DELISE, b. Abt. 1902, Police Jury Ward
>> 3,
>> > Lafourche, La.
>> > 4. vii. ARGENTINA DELISE, b. Abt. 1904, Police
>> Jury
>> > Ward 3, Lafourche, La; d. May 1943, New Orleans,
>> LA.
>> > viii. UNKNOWN DELISE, b. Abt. 1907, Police Jury
>> Ward
>> > 3, Lafourche, La.
>> > ix. FRANCIS DELISE, b. Abt. 1909, Louisiana.
>> > x. ROSIE DELISE, b. Abt. 1912, Louisiana.
>> >
>> >
>> > Generation No. 4
>> >
>> > 4.  ARGENTINA5 DELISE (GIUSEPPE4, SALVATORE3,
>> > ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1) was born Abt. 1904 in
>> > Police Jury Ward 3, Lafourche, La, and died May
>> 1943
>> > in New Orleans, LA.  She married NORBERT CHABERT.
>> >
>> > Children of ARGENTINA DELISE and NORBERT CHABERT
>> are:
>> > i. LUCY6 CHABERT, m. MILTON LEAYCRAFT.
>> > ii. LEONARD JOSEPH CHABERT, b. Abt. 1933, Cutoff,
>> > Louisiana; d. 26 Sep 1991, Louisiana; m. VIONA
>> > LAPEYROUSE.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From nellie at woh.rr.com  Sun Oct 22 08:12:30 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 01:12:30 -0400
Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi   - Lafourche Parish,
	Louisiana
References: <20061022034111.80046.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c6f598$acacaeb0$6501a8c0@momshp>

There is an incidence of the name Simone that is in the Lamantia database. 
Also, the oldest person in the Delisi/dilisi database is Antinino Delisi (no 
dates).  Guiseppi (Joseph) Delisi was the father to Maria Delisi (and 
several others).  Guiseppi's father was Antonino.  We know that Guiseppi was 
dead by 1899.
Descendants of Antinino Delisi



1 Antinino Delisi

......... 2 Guiseppi * Joseph Delisi

............. +Vincenza Lanasa

.................... 3 Antonio Delisi 1856 -

........................ +Antonina Bataglia

.................... 3 Agostino Delisi 1866 - 1943

........................ +Maria Rinella 1869 - 1948

.................... 3 Simone Samuel Delisi 1867 - 1947

........................ +Sarah (Rosaria) Delisi

.................... 3 Maria * Delisi 1870 - 1937

........................ +Agostino * Mantia 1852 - 1905

.................... 3 Antonina Delisi 1872 -

.................... 3 Providence "Freda" Delisi 1873 - 1945

........................ +Cosimo Battaglia 1865 - 1967

.................... 3 Antonina Delisi 1874 -

.................... 3 Sarah Delisi 1875 -

........................ +Andrew Franzi

.................... 3 Rosaria Delisi 1876 -

........................ +Salvatore Quadtrocchi

  The information was written by a catholic nun, Sister Francine, in the 
1980's.  She lived in Chicago.  She used a very old method of noting 
descendants and it took me several days to figure out how the chart was 
done.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larie Tedesco" <ltedesco26 at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi - Lafourche Parish, 
Louisiana


> Nell,
>     Is your information with the siblings of Antonino
> or his parents.  I did not check that yet so far.
> Larie
>
> --- nell lamantia <nellie at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> There is a possible connection with generation 1
>> (Antonino).  I do not have
>> enough information that far back to be certain.
>> Thanks for the information.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Larie Tedesco" <ltedesco26 at yahoo.com>
>> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:44 AM
>> Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi -
>> Lafourche Parish, Louisiana
>>
>>
>> > This is a Delise line that lives in Lafourche
>> Parish,
>> > Louisiana
>> >
>> >
>> > Descendants of Antonino Dilisi
>> >
>> >
>> > Generation No. 1
>> >
>> > 1.  ANTONINO2 DILISI  (SIMONE1) died 11 Mar 1851
>> in
>> > Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He
>> married
>> > SAVERIA CIRA.  She died Bef. 1866.
>> >
>> > Child of ANTONINO DILISI and SAVERIA CIRA is:
>> > 2. i. SALVATORE3 DELISE, b. Abt. 1822, Termini
>> > Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 10 Sep 1866,
>> > Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>> >
>> >
>> > Generation No. 2
>> >
>> > 2.  SALVATORE3 DELISE (ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1)
>> was
>> > born Abt. 1822 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
>> Sicily,
>> > Italy, and died 10 Sep 1866 in Termini Imerese,
>> > Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married FILIPPA
>> > PASSAFIUME.  She was born in Italy.
>> >
>> > Child of SALVATORE DELISE and FILIPPA PASSAFIUME
>> is:
>> > 3. i. GIUSEPPE4 DELISE, b. Bet. 1863 - 1866,
>> Termini
>> > Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>> >
>> >
>> > Generation No. 3
>> >
>> > 3.  GIUSEPPE4 DELISE (SALVATORE3, ANTONINO2
>> DILISI,
>> > SIMONE1) was born Bet. 1863 - 1866 in Termini
>> Imerese,
>> > Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married LUCIA
>> (LUCILLE)
>> > LOPINTO 18 Apr 1887 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
>> > Sicily, Italy, daughter of MICHELE LOPINTO and
>> MARIA
>> > CALCAGNO.  She was born Abt. 1873 in Italy, and
>> died
>> > 22 Sep 1931 in Lafourche Parish, La..
>> >
>> > Children of GIUSEPPE DELISE and LUCIA LOPINTO are:
>> > i. MICHELE5 DELISE, b. 01 Dec 1890, New Orleans,
>> LA.
>> > ii. GIUSEPPINA DELISE, b. 01 Apr 1895, New
>> Orleans,
>> > LA.
>> > iii. INEZ DELISE, b. Abt. 1896, Police Jury Ward
>> 3,
>> > Lafourche, La.
>> > iv. ANTHONY DELISE, b. Abt. 1897, Louisiana; d. 28
>> > Jul 1942, Louisiana.
>> > v. ANNA DELISE, b. Abt. 1898, Police Jury Ward 3,
>> > Lafourche, La.
>> > vi. LAURA DELISE, b. Abt. 1902, Police Jury Ward
>> 3,
>> > Lafourche, La.
>> > 4. vii. ARGENTINA DELISE, b. Abt. 1904, Police
>> Jury
>> > Ward 3, Lafourche, La; d. May 1943, New Orleans,
>> LA.
>> > viii. UNKNOWN DELISE, b. Abt. 1907, Police Jury
>> Ward
>> > 3, Lafourche, La.
>> > ix. FRANCIS DELISE, b. Abt. 1909, Louisiana.
>> > x. ROSIE DELISE, b. Abt. 1912, Louisiana.
>> >
>> >
>> > Generation No. 4
>> >
>> > 4.  ARGENTINA5 DELISE (GIUSEPPE4, SALVATORE3,
>> > ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1) was born Abt. 1904 in
>> > Police Jury Ward 3, Lafourche, La, and died May
>> 1943
>> > in New Orleans, LA.  She married NORBERT CHABERT.
>> >
>> > Children of ARGENTINA DELISE and NORBERT CHABERT
>> are:
>> > i. LUCY6 CHABERT, m. MILTON LEAYCRAFT.
>> > ii. LEONARD JOSEPH CHABERT, b. Abt. 1933, Cutoff,
>> > Louisiana; d. 26 Sep 1991, Louisiana; m. VIONA
>> > LAPEYROUSE.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Sun Oct 22 13:46:15 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 05:46:15 -0500
Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi   - Lafourche Parish,
	Louisiana
In-Reply-To: <000b01c6f598$acacaeb0$6501a8c0@momshp>
References: <20061022034111.80046.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<000b01c6f598$acacaeb0$6501a8c0@momshp>
Message-ID: <453B4BF7.2050100@madisontelco.com>

Nell,

The marriage of Vincenza LaNasa to Giuseppe DiLisi is in the certificate 
database as well as the death of his father Antonino.  The marriage 
document will get you his mother's name

Giuseppe is spelled IU not UI and it is DiLisi, not DeLisi

nell lamantia wrote:

>There is an incidence of the name Simone that is in the Lamantia database. 
>Also, the oldest person in the Delisi/dilisi database is Antinino Delisi (no 
>dates).  Guiseppi (Joseph) Delisi was the father to Maria Delisi (and 
>several others).  Guiseppi's father was Antonino.  We know that Guiseppi was 
>dead by 1899.
>Descendants of Antinino Delisi
>
>
>
>1 Antinino Delisi
>
>......... 2 Guiseppi * Joseph Delisi
>
>............. +Vincenza Lanasa
>
>.................... 3 Antonio Delisi 1856 -
>
>........................ +Antonina Bataglia
>
>.................... 3 Agostino Delisi 1866 - 1943
>
>........................ +Maria Rinella 1869 - 1948
>
>.................... 3 Simone Samuel Delisi 1867 - 1947
>
>........................ +Sarah (Rosaria) Delisi
>
>.................... 3 Maria * Delisi 1870 - 1937
>
>........................ +Agostino * Mantia 1852 - 1905
>
>.................... 3 Antonina Delisi 1872 -
>
>.................... 3 Providence "Freda" Delisi 1873 - 1945
>
>........................ +Cosimo Battaglia 1865 - 1967
>
>.................... 3 Antonina Delisi 1874 -
>
>.................... 3 Sarah Delisi 1875 -
>
>........................ +Andrew Franzi
>
>.................... 3 Rosaria Delisi 1876 -
>
>........................ +Salvatore Quadtrocchi
>
>  The information was written by a catholic nun, Sister Francine, in the 
>1980's.  She lived in Chicago.  She used a very old method of noting 
>descendants and it took me several days to figure out how the chart was 
>done.
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Larie Tedesco" <ltedesco26 at yahoo.com>
>To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi - Lafourche Parish, 
>Louisiana
>
>
>  
>
>>Nell,
>>    Is your information with the siblings of Antonino
>>or his parents.  I did not check that yet so far.
>>Larie
>>
>>--- nell lamantia <nellie at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>There is a possible connection with generation 1
>>>(Antonino).  I do not have
>>>enough information that far back to be certain.
>>>Thanks for the information.
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Larie Tedesco" <ltedesco26 at yahoo.com>
>>>To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:44 AM
>>>Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi -
>>>Lafourche Parish, Louisiana
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>This is a Delise line that lives in Lafourche
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Parish,
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Louisiana
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Descendants of Antonino Dilisi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Generation No. 1
>>>>
>>>>1.  ANTONINO2 DILISI  (SIMONE1) died 11 Mar 1851
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>in
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>married
>>>      
>>>
>>>>SAVERIA CIRA.  She died Bef. 1866.
>>>>
>>>>Child of ANTONINO DILISI and SAVERIA CIRA is:
>>>>2. i. SALVATORE3 DELISE, b. Abt. 1822, Termini
>>>>Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 10 Sep 1866,
>>>>Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Generation No. 2
>>>>
>>>>2.  SALVATORE3 DELISE (ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1)
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>was
>>>      
>>>
>>>>born Abt. 1822 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Sicily,
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Italy, and died 10 Sep 1866 in Termini Imerese,
>>>>Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married FILIPPA
>>>>PASSAFIUME.  She was born in Italy.
>>>>
>>>>Child of SALVATORE DELISE and FILIPPA PASSAFIUME
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>is:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>3. i. GIUSEPPE4 DELISE, b. Bet. 1863 - 1866,
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Termini
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Generation No. 3
>>>>
>>>>3.  GIUSEPPE4 DELISE (SALVATORE3, ANTONINO2
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>DILISI,
>>>      
>>>
>>>>SIMONE1) was born Bet. 1863 - 1866 in Termini
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Imerese,
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married LUCIA
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>(LUCILLE)
>>>      
>>>
>>>>LOPINTO 18 Apr 1887 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
>>>>Sicily, Italy, daughter of MICHELE LOPINTO and
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>MARIA
>>>      
>>>
>>>>CALCAGNO.  She was born Abt. 1873 in Italy, and
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>died
>>>      
>>>
>>>>22 Sep 1931 in Lafourche Parish, La..
>>>>
>>>>Children of GIUSEPPE DELISE and LUCIA LOPINTO are:
>>>>i. MICHELE5 DELISE, b. 01 Dec 1890, New Orleans,
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>LA.
>>>      
>>>
>>>>ii. GIUSEPPINA DELISE, b. 01 Apr 1895, New
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Orleans,
>>>      
>>>
>>>>LA.
>>>>iii. INEZ DELISE, b. Abt. 1896, Police Jury Ward
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>3,
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Lafourche, La.
>>>>iv. ANTHONY DELISE, b. Abt. 1897, Louisiana; d. 28
>>>>Jul 1942, Louisiana.
>>>>v. ANNA DELISE, b. Abt. 1898, Police Jury Ward 3,
>>>>Lafourche, La.
>>>>vi. LAURA DELISE, b. Abt. 1902, Police Jury Ward
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>3,
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Lafourche, La.
>>>>4. vii. ARGENTINA DELISE, b. Abt. 1904, Police
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Jury
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Ward 3, Lafourche, La; d. May 1943, New Orleans,
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>LA.
>>>      
>>>
>>>>viii. UNKNOWN DELISE, b. Abt. 1907, Police Jury
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Ward
>>>      
>>>
>>>>3, Lafourche, La.
>>>>ix. FRANCIS DELISE, b. Abt. 1909, Louisiana.
>>>>x. ROSIE DELISE, b. Abt. 1912, Louisiana.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Generation No. 4
>>>>
>>>>4.  ARGENTINA5 DELISE (GIUSEPPE4, SALVATORE3,
>>>>ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1) was born Abt. 1904 in
>>>>Police Jury Ward 3, Lafourche, La, and died May
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>1943
>>>      
>>>
>>>>in New Orleans, LA.  She married NORBERT CHABERT.
>>>>
>>>>Children of ARGENTINA DELISE and NORBERT CHABERT
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>are:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>i. LUCY6 CHABERT, m. MILTON LEAYCRAFT.
>>>>ii. LEONARD JOSEPH CHABERT, b. Abt. 1933, Cutoff,
>>>>Louisiana; d. 26 Sep 1991, Louisiana; m. VIONA
>>>>LAPEYROUSE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>>
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From nellie at woh.rr.com  Sun Oct 22 16:04:26 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:04:26 -0400
Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi   - Lafourche Parish,
	Louisiana
References: <20061022034111.80046.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<000b01c6f598$acacaeb0$6501a8c0@momshp>
	<453B4BF7.2050100@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <000301c6f5da$9a6df190$6501a8c0@momshp>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laura Johnson" <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi - Lafourche Parish, 
Louisiana


> Nell,
>
> The marriage of Vincenza LaNasa to Giuseppe DiLisi is in the certificate
> database as well as the death of his father Antonino.  The marriage
> document will get you his mother's name
>
> Giuseppe is spelled IU not UI and it is DiLisi, not DeLisi
>
> nell lamantia wrote:
>
>>There is an incidence of the name Simone that is in the Lamantia database.
>>Also, the oldest person in the Delisi/dilisi database is Antinino Delisi 
>>(no
>>dates).  Guiseppi (Joseph) Delisi was the father to Maria Delisi (and
>>several others).  Guiseppi's father was Antonino.  We know that Guiseppi 
>>was
>>dead by 1899.
>>Descendants of Antinino Delisi
>>
>>
>>
>>1 Antinino Delisi
>>
>>......... 2 Guiseppi * Joseph Delisi
>>
>>............. +Vincenza Lanasa
>>
>>.................... 3 Antonio Delisi 1856 -
>>
>>........................ +Antonina Bataglia
>>
>>.................... 3 Agostino Delisi 1866 - 1943
>>
>>........................ +Maria Rinella 1869 - 1948
>>
>>.................... 3 Simone Samuel Delisi 1867 - 1947
>>
>>........................ +Sarah (Rosaria) Delisi
>>
>>.................... 3 Maria * Delisi 1870 - 1937
>>
>>........................ +Agostino * Mantia 1852 - 1905
>>
>>.................... 3 Antonina Delisi 1872 -
>>
>>.................... 3 Providence "Freda" Delisi 1873 - 1945
>>
>>........................ +Cosimo Battaglia 1865 - 1967
>>
>>.................... 3 Antonina Delisi 1874 -
>>
>>.................... 3 Sarah Delisi 1875 -
>>
>>........................ +Andrew Franzi
>>
>>.................... 3 Rosaria Delisi 1876 -
>>
>>........................ +Salvatore Quadtrocchi
>>
>>  The information was written by a catholic nun, Sister Francine, in the
>>1980's.  She lived in Chicago.  She used a very old method of noting
>>descendants and it took me several days to figure out how the chart was
>>done.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Larie Tedesco" <ltedesco26 at yahoo.com>
>>To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>>Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:41 PM
>>Subject: Re: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi - Lafourche Parish,
>>Louisiana
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Nell,
>>>    Is your information with the siblings of Antonino
>>>or his parents.  I did not check that yet so far.
>>>Larie
>>>
>>>--- nell lamantia <nellie at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>There is a possible connection with generation 1
>>>>(Antonino).  I do not have
>>>>enough information that far back to be certain.
>>>>Thanks for the information.
>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: "Larie Tedesco" <ltedesco26 at yahoo.com>
>>>>To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:44 AM
>>>>Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi -
>>>>Lafourche Parish, Louisiana
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>This is a Delise line that lives in Lafourche
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Parish,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Louisiana
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Descendants of Antonino Dilisi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Generation No. 1
>>>>>
>>>>>1.  ANTONINO2 DILISI  (SIMONE1) died 11 Mar 1851
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>married
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>SAVERIA CIRA.  She died Bef. 1866.
>>>>>
>>>>>Child of ANTONINO DILISI and SAVERIA CIRA is:
>>>>>2. i. SALVATORE3 DELISE, b. Abt. 1822, Termini
>>>>>Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 10 Sep 1866,
>>>>>Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Generation No. 2
>>>>>
>>>>>2.  SALVATORE3 DELISE (ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>was
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>born Abt. 1822 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Sicily,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Italy, and died 10 Sep 1866 in Termini Imerese,
>>>>>Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married FILIPPA
>>>>>PASSAFIUME.  She was born in Italy.
>>>>>
>>>>>Child of SALVATORE DELISE and FILIPPA PASSAFIUME
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>is:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>3. i. GIUSEPPE4 DELISE, b. Bet. 1863 - 1866,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Termini
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Generation No. 3
>>>>>
>>>>>3.  GIUSEPPE4 DELISE (SALVATORE3, ANTONINO2
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>DILISI,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>SIMONE1) was born Bet. 1863 - 1866 in Termini
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Imerese,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married LUCIA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>(LUCILLE)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>LOPINTO 18 Apr 1887 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
>>>>>Sicily, Italy, daughter of MICHELE LOPINTO and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>MARIA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>CALCAGNO.  She was born Abt. 1873 in Italy, and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>died
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>22 Sep 1931 in Lafourche Parish, La..
>>>>>
>>>>>Children of GIUSEPPE DELISE and LUCIA LOPINTO are:
>>>>>i. MICHELE5 DELISE, b. 01 Dec 1890, New Orleans,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>LA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>ii. GIUSEPPINA DELISE, b. 01 Apr 1895, New
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Orleans,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>LA.
>>>>>iii. INEZ DELISE, b. Abt. 1896, Police Jury Ward
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>3,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Lafourche, La.
>>>>>iv. ANTHONY DELISE, b. Abt. 1897, Louisiana; d. 28
>>>>>Jul 1942, Louisiana.
>>>>>v. ANNA DELISE, b. Abt. 1898, Police Jury Ward 3,
>>>>>Lafourche, La.
>>>>>vi. LAURA DELISE, b. Abt. 1902, Police Jury Ward
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>3,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Lafourche, La.
>>>>>4. vii. ARGENTINA DELISE, b. Abt. 1904, Police
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Jury
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ward 3, Lafourche, La; d. May 1943, New Orleans,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>LA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>viii. UNKNOWN DELISE, b. Abt. 1907, Police Jury
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Ward
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>3, Lafourche, La.
>>>>>ix. FRANCIS DELISE, b. Abt. 1909, Louisiana.
>>>>>x. ROSIE DELISE, b. Abt. 1912, Louisiana.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Generation No. 4
>>>>>
>>>>>4.  ARGENTINA5 DELISE (GIUSEPPE4, SALVATORE3,
>>>>>ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1) was born Abt. 1904 in
>>>>>Police Jury Ward 3, Lafourche, La, and died May
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>1943
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>in New Orleans, LA.  She married NORBERT CHABERT.
>>>>>
>>>>>Children of ARGENTINA DELISE and NORBERT CHABERT
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>are:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>i. LUCY6 CHABERT, m. MILTON LEAYCRAFT.
>>>>>ii. LEONARD JOSEPH CHABERT, b. Abt. 1933, Cutoff,
>>>>>Louisiana; d. 26 Sep 1991, Louisiana; m. VIONA
>>>>>LAPEYROUSE.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From nellie at woh.rr.com  Sun Oct 22 16:10:35 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:10:35 -0400
Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi   - Lafourche Parish,
	Louisiana
References: <20061022034111.80046.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<000b01c6f598$acacaeb0$6501a8c0@momshp>
	<453B4BF7.2050100@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <000701c6f5db$76a9f2d0$6501a8c0@momshp>

As you can readily tell, I have a tremendous problem trying to spell 
Giuseppe.  Maria recorded her name as Delisi, however, I have seen it 
spelled both ways.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laura Johnson" <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi - Lafourche Parish, 
Louisiana


> Nell,
>
> The marriage of Vincenza LaNasa to Giuseppe DiLisi is in the certificate
> database as well as the death of his father Antonino.  The marriage
> document will get you his mother's name
>
> Giuseppe is spelled IU not UI and it is DiLisi, not DeLisi
>
> nell lamantia wrote:
>
>>There is an incidence of the name Simone that is in the Lamantia database.
>>Also, the oldest person in the Delisi/dilisi database is Antinino Delisi 
>>(no
>>dates).  Guiseppi (Joseph) Delisi was the father to Maria Delisi (and
>>several others).  Guiseppi's father was Antonino.  We know that Guiseppi 
>>was
>>dead by 1899.
>>Descendants of Antinino Delisi
>>
>>
>>
>>1 Antinino Delisi
>>
>>......... 2 Guiseppi * Joseph Delisi
>>
>>............. +Vincenza Lanasa
>>
>>.................... 3 Antonio Delisi 1856 -
>>
>>........................ +Antonina Bataglia
>>
>>.................... 3 Agostino Delisi 1866 - 1943
>>
>>........................ +Maria Rinella 1869 - 1948
>>
>>.................... 3 Simone Samuel Delisi 1867 - 1947
>>
>>........................ +Sarah (Rosaria) Delisi
>>
>>.................... 3 Maria * Delisi 1870 - 1937
>>
>>........................ +Agostino * Mantia 1852 - 1905
>>
>>.................... 3 Antonina Delisi 1872 -
>>
>>.................... 3 Providence "Freda" Delisi 1873 - 1945
>>
>>........................ +Cosimo Battaglia 1865 - 1967
>>
>>.................... 3 Antonina Delisi 1874 -
>>
>>.................... 3 Sarah Delisi 1875 -
>>
>>........................ +Andrew Franzi
>>
>>.................... 3 Rosaria Delisi 1876 -
>>
>>........................ +Salvatore Quadtrocchi
>>
>>  The information was written by a catholic nun, Sister Francine, in the
>>1980's.  She lived in Chicago.  She used a very old method of noting
>>descendants and it took me several days to figure out how the chart was
>>done.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Larie Tedesco" <ltedesco26 at yahoo.com>
>>To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>>Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:41 PM
>>Subject: Re: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi - Lafourche Parish,
>>Louisiana
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Nell,
>>>    Is your information with the siblings of Antonino
>>>or his parents.  I did not check that yet so far.
>>>Larie
>>>
>>>--- nell lamantia <nellie at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>There is a possible connection with generation 1
>>>>(Antonino).  I do not have
>>>>enough information that far back to be certain.
>>>>Thanks for the information.
>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: "Larie Tedesco" <ltedesco26 at yahoo.com>
>>>>To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:44 AM
>>>>Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi -
>>>>Lafourche Parish, Louisiana
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>This is a Delise line that lives in Lafourche
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Parish,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Louisiana
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Descendants of Antonino Dilisi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Generation No. 1
>>>>>
>>>>>1.  ANTONINO2 DILISI  (SIMONE1) died 11 Mar 1851
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>married
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>SAVERIA CIRA.  She died Bef. 1866.
>>>>>
>>>>>Child of ANTONINO DILISI and SAVERIA CIRA is:
>>>>>2. i. SALVATORE3 DELISE, b. Abt. 1822, Termini
>>>>>Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 10 Sep 1866,
>>>>>Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Generation No. 2
>>>>>
>>>>>2.  SALVATORE3 DELISE (ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>was
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>born Abt. 1822 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Sicily,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Italy, and died 10 Sep 1866 in Termini Imerese,
>>>>>Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married FILIPPA
>>>>>PASSAFIUME.  She was born in Italy.
>>>>>
>>>>>Child of SALVATORE DELISE and FILIPPA PASSAFIUME
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>is:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>3. i. GIUSEPPE4 DELISE, b. Bet. 1863 - 1866,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Termini
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Generation No. 3
>>>>>
>>>>>3.  GIUSEPPE4 DELISE (SALVATORE3, ANTONINO2
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>DILISI,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>SIMONE1) was born Bet. 1863 - 1866 in Termini
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Imerese,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married LUCIA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>(LUCILLE)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>LOPINTO 18 Apr 1887 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
>>>>>Sicily, Italy, daughter of MICHELE LOPINTO and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>MARIA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>CALCAGNO.  She was born Abt. 1873 in Italy, and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>died
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>22 Sep 1931 in Lafourche Parish, La..
>>>>>
>>>>>Children of GIUSEPPE DELISE and LUCIA LOPINTO are:
>>>>>i. MICHELE5 DELISE, b. 01 Dec 1890, New Orleans,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>LA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>ii. GIUSEPPINA DELISE, b. 01 Apr 1895, New
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Orleans,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>LA.
>>>>>iii. INEZ DELISE, b. Abt. 1896, Police Jury Ward
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>3,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Lafourche, La.
>>>>>iv. ANTHONY DELISE, b. Abt. 1897, Louisiana; d. 28
>>>>>Jul 1942, Louisiana.
>>>>>v. ANNA DELISE, b. Abt. 1898, Police Jury Ward 3,
>>>>>Lafourche, La.
>>>>>vi. LAURA DELISE, b. Abt. 1902, Police Jury Ward
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>3,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Lafourche, La.
>>>>>4. vii. ARGENTINA DELISE, b. Abt. 1904, Police
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Jury
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ward 3, Lafourche, La; d. May 1943, New Orleans,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>LA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>viii. UNKNOWN DELISE, b. Abt. 1907, Police Jury
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Ward
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>3, Lafourche, La.
>>>>>ix. FRANCIS DELISE, b. Abt. 1909, Louisiana.
>>>>>x. ROSIE DELISE, b. Abt. 1912, Louisiana.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Generation No. 4
>>>>>
>>>>>4.  ARGENTINA5 DELISE (GIUSEPPE4, SALVATORE3,
>>>>>ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1) was born Abt. 1904 in
>>>>>Police Jury Ward 3, Lafourche, La, and died May
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>1943
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>in New Orleans, LA.  She married NORBERT CHABERT.
>>>>>
>>>>>Children of ARGENTINA DELISE and NORBERT CHABERT
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>are:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>i. LUCY6 CHABERT, m. MILTON LEAYCRAFT.
>>>>>ii. LEONARD JOSEPH CHABERT, b. Abt. 1933, Cutoff,
>>>>>Louisiana; d. 26 Sep 1991, Louisiana; m. VIONA
>>>>>LAPEYROUSE.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From nellie at woh.rr.com  Sun Oct 22 16:45:00 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:45:00 -0400
Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi   - Lafourche Parish,
	Louisiana
References: <20061022034111.80046.qmail@web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001c6f5e0$4548dbc0$6501a8c0@momshp>

After checking the database on Laura's suggestion, I find that the 
Delisi/Dilisi line that I am researching is indeed the descendants of 
Antonino Dilisi and Saveria Cira.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larie Tedesco" <ltedesco26 at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi - Lafourche Parish, 
Louisiana


> Nell,
>     Is your information with the siblings of Antonino
> or his parents.  I did not check that yet so far.
> Larie
>
> --- nell lamantia <nellie at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> There is a possible connection with generation 1
>> (Antonino).  I do not have
>> enough information that far back to be certain.
>> Thanks for the information.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Larie Tedesco" <ltedesco26 at yahoo.com>
>> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:44 AM
>> Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi -
>> Lafourche Parish, Louisiana
>>
>>
>> > This is a Delise line that lives in Lafourche
>> Parish,
>> > Louisiana
>> >
>> >
>> > Descendants of Antonino Dilisi
>> >
>> >
>> > Generation No. 1
>> >
>> > 1.  ANTONINO2 DILISI  (SIMONE1) died 11 Mar 1851
>> in
>> > Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He
>> married
>> > SAVERIA CIRA.  She died Bef. 1866.
>> >
>> > Child of ANTONINO DILISI and SAVERIA CIRA is:
>> > 2. i. SALVATORE3 DELISE, b. Abt. 1822, Termini
>> > Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 10 Sep 1866,
>> > Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>> >
>> >
>> > Generation No. 2
>> >
>> > 2.  SALVATORE3 DELISE (ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1)
>> was
>> > born Abt. 1822 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
>> Sicily,
>> > Italy, and died 10 Sep 1866 in Termini Imerese,
>> > Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married FILIPPA
>> > PASSAFIUME.  She was born in Italy.
>> >
>> > Child of SALVATORE DELISE and FILIPPA PASSAFIUME
>> is:
>> > 3. i. GIUSEPPE4 DELISE, b. Bet. 1863 - 1866,
>> Termini
>> > Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>> >
>> >
>> > Generation No. 3
>> >
>> > 3.  GIUSEPPE4 DELISE (SALVATORE3, ANTONINO2
>> DILISI,
>> > SIMONE1) was born Bet. 1863 - 1866 in Termini
>> Imerese,
>> > Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married LUCIA
>> (LUCILLE)
>> > LOPINTO 18 Apr 1887 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
>> > Sicily, Italy, daughter of MICHELE LOPINTO and
>> MARIA
>> > CALCAGNO.  She was born Abt. 1873 in Italy, and
>> died
>> > 22 Sep 1931 in Lafourche Parish, La..
>> >
>> > Children of GIUSEPPE DELISE and LUCIA LOPINTO are:
>> > i. MICHELE5 DELISE, b. 01 Dec 1890, New Orleans,
>> LA.
>> > ii. GIUSEPPINA DELISE, b. 01 Apr 1895, New
>> Orleans,
>> > LA.
>> > iii. INEZ DELISE, b. Abt. 1896, Police Jury Ward
>> 3,
>> > Lafourche, La.
>> > iv. ANTHONY DELISE, b. Abt. 1897, Louisiana; d. 28
>> > Jul 1942, Louisiana.
>> > v. ANNA DELISE, b. Abt. 1898, Police Jury Ward 3,
>> > Lafourche, La.
>> > vi. LAURA DELISE, b. Abt. 1902, Police Jury Ward
>> 3,
>> > Lafourche, La.
>> > 4. vii. ARGENTINA DELISE, b. Abt. 1904, Police
>> Jury
>> > Ward 3, Lafourche, La; d. May 1943, New Orleans,
>> LA.
>> > viii. UNKNOWN DELISE, b. Abt. 1907, Police Jury
>> Ward
>> > 3, Lafourche, La.
>> > ix. FRANCIS DELISE, b. Abt. 1909, Louisiana.
>> > x. ROSIE DELISE, b. Abt. 1912, Louisiana.
>> >
>> >
>> > Generation No. 4
>> >
>> > 4.  ARGENTINA5 DELISE (GIUSEPPE4, SALVATORE3,
>> > ANTONINO2 DILISI, SIMONE1) was born Abt. 1904 in
>> > Police Jury Ward 3, Lafourche, La, and died May
>> 1943
>> > in New Orleans, LA.  She married NORBERT CHABERT.
>> >
>> > Children of ARGENTINA DELISE and NORBERT CHABERT
>> are:
>> > i. LUCY6 CHABERT, m. MILTON LEAYCRAFT.
>> > ii. LEONARD JOSEPH CHABERT, b. Abt. 1933, Cutoff,
>> > Louisiana; d. 26 Sep 1991, Louisiana; m. VIONA
>> > LAPEYROUSE.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From ltedesco26 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 22 17:34:43 2006
From: ltedesco26 at yahoo.com (Larie Tedesco)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 07:34:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi   - Lafourche Parish,
	Louisiana -  Calcagno Genealogy
In-Reply-To: <001001c6f5e0$4548dbc0$6501a8c0@momshp>
Message-ID: <20061022143443.92785.qmail@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dilisi is not a direct line to me but is connected to
the Calcagno's from Termini which is in our family
through many many marriages in the tree in New
Orleans.
I do have a few pictures of Calcagno's because I am in
touch with family.  Some pictures
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/180881222XqCwiS. 
Below is the first four generations.  If you would
like the genealogy report with notes I will send you
offline.  

Larie


     This is the connection

1. Salvadore Calcagno died before 1843 and Gaetana
Buttone died before 1843

2. Girolamo Calcagno born about 1820 Palermo, Sicily
died December 22, 1860 married Francesca Vitale born
1820 Termini Imerese

***3. Maria Anna Calcagno born 1845 Termini married
1870 Termini Michele LoPinto born Italy

4. Lucia LoPinto abt 1873 Italy died 1931 Lafourche
Parish, Louisiana married Guiseppe Dilisi 1887 Termini
born bet. 1863-1866 Italy


Descendants of Girolamo Calcagno


Generation No. 1

1.  GIROLAMO2 CALCAGNO  (SALVADORE1) was born Abt.
1820 in Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died 22 Dec 1860
in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He
married FRANCESCA VITALE 20 Jan 1843 in Termini
Imerese , Palermo, Sicily, Italy, daughter of ONOFRIO
VITALE.  She was born 06 Nov 1820 in Termini Imerese,
Palermo,  Sicily, Italy.
	
Children of GIROLAMO CALCAGNO and FRANCESCA VITALE
are:
2.	i.	MICHELE ONOFRIO3 CALCAGNO.
3.	ii.	FRANCESCO SALVADORE CALCAGNO, b. 03 Dec 1843,
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
4.	iii.	MARIA ANNA CALCAGNO, b. 26 Jul 1845, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. Aft. 1910.
	iv.	GAETANA CALCAGNO, b. 11 Mar 1851, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 23 Apr 1866,
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
5.	v.	ONOFRIO CALCAGNO, b. 03 Oct 1852, Termini
Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily, Italy; d. 07 Jun 1924, New
Orleans, LA.
6.	vi.	BENEDETTA CALCAGNO, b. 18 Jun 1855, Termini
Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily, Italy.
7.	vii.	LEONARDO CALCAGNO, b. 19 Feb 1858, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 05 Jan 1949, New
Orleans, LA.


Generation No. 2

2.  MICHELE ONOFRIO3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) 
He married DIEGA CORSO 07 Jan 1873 in Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy, daughter of GIUSEPPE CORSO and
VINZENZA BRUGNONE.  She was born 09 Dec 1850 in
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	
Children of MICHELE CALCAGNO and DIEGA CORSO are:
	i.	GIROLAMO4 CALCAGNO, m. IGNAZIA RUSSO, 12 Nov 1900,
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	ii.	GIUSEPPE CALCAGNO, m. BENEDETTA DILISI, 07 Mar
1906, Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	iii.	VINCENZA CALCAGNO, m. MICHELE CORRARO, 13 Nov
1893, Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	iv.	FRANCESCA CALCAGNO, m. SAVERIO LUPO, 26 Aug 1890,
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.


3.  FRANCESCO SALVADORE3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born 03 Dec 1843 in Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married LIBORIA LOPINTO 16
Nov 1870 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy,
daughter of GIUSEPPE LOPINTO and LUCIA RIZZO.  She was
born in Italy.
	
Children of FRANCESCO CALCAGNO and LIBORIA LOPINTO
are:
	i.	FRANCESCA4 CALCAGNO, m. MICHELE CANNATELLA, 15 Jul
1886, Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
8.	ii.	GIROLAMO CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1870, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 03 Jun 1941, New
Orleans, LA.


4.  MARIA ANNA3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was
born 26 Jul 1845 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily,
Italy, and died Aft. 1910.  She married MICHELE
LOPINTO 16 Nov 1870 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
Sicily, Italy, son of GIUSEPPE LOPINTO and LUCIA
RIZZO.  He was born in Italy, and died Bef. 1910.
	
Child of MARIA CALCAGNO and MICHELE LOPINTO is:
9.	i.	LUCIA (LUCILLE)4 LOPINTO, b. Abt. 1873, Italy;
d. 22 Sep 1931, Lafourche Parish, La..


5.  ONOFRIO3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born
03 Oct 1852 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily,
Italy, and died 07 Jun 1924 in New Orleans, LA.  He
married (1) MARIA ROSA SALVO 04 Mar 1876 in Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, daughter of COSIMO
SALVO and PROVVIDENZA BATTAGLIA.  She was born 06 Feb
1858 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and
died 30 Aug 1896 in New Orleans, LA.  He married (2)
COSIMA (JOSEPHINE?) SALVO 04 Jun 1907 in New Orleans,
La., daughter of COSIMO SALVO and PROVVIDENZA
BATTAGLIA.  She was born 16 Mar 1860 in Termini
Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily, Italy, and died 02 Jul 1938
in New Orleans, LA.
	
Children of ONOFRIO CALCAGNO and MARIA SALVO are:
	i.	LEONARD4 CALCAGNO.
10.	ii.	GEROME CALCAGNO, b. 08 Dec 1876, Palermo,
Italy ?; d. 21 Jul 1952, New Orleans, LA.
11.	iii.	FRANCESCA CALCAGNO, b. 1879, Palermo, Sicily,
Italy; d. 1953.
12.	iv.	PROVVIDENZA CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1881, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 18 Jan 1950, New
Orleans, LA.
13.	v.	GIUSEPPE CALCAGNO, b. 02 Nov 1883, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily Italy; d. 17 Feb 1965,
Dallas, Texas.
14.	vi.	GAETANA (LORETTA) CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1891, New
Orleans, LA; d. 21 Apr 1964.
15.	vii.	SALVATORE CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1893, New
Orleans, LA; d. Bef. 1950.


6.  BENEDETTA3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was
born 18 Jun 1855 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily,
Italy.  She married VINCENZO DILISI 10 Dec 1877 in
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, son of
VINCENZO DILISI and MICHELA D'ANGELO.  
	
Children of BENEDETTA CALCAGNO and VINCENZO DILISI
are:
	i.	FRANCESCA4 DILISI, m. SALVATORE RACCUGLIA, 05 Apr
1902, Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; b.
Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	ii.	BENEDETTA DILISI, m. GIUSEPPE CALCAGNO, 07 Mar
1906, Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.


7.  LEONARDO3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was
born 19 Feb 1858 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily,
Italy, and died 05 Jan 1949 in New Orleans, LA.  He
married (1) FRANCES QUATTROCCHI 23 Feb 1899 in Orleans
Parish, LA.  She was born 26 Feb 1857 in Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died 07 Jan 1916
in New Orleans, LA.  He married (2) COSIMA
(JOSEPHINE?) SALVO Aft. 1917, daughter of COSIMO SALVO
and PROVVIDENZA BATTAGLIA.  She was born 16 Mar 1860
in Termini Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily, Italy, and died
02 Jul 1938 in New Orleans, LA.
	
Children of LEONARDO CALCAGNO and FRANCES QUATTROCCHI
are:
	i.	SALVADORE4 CALCAGNO.
16.	ii.	ANNIE CALCAGNO, d. Bef. 2003.
17.	iii.	JAMES A CALCAGNO, SR, b. 22 Feb 1890, New
Orleans, LA; d. 04 Feb 1956, New Orleans, LA.
18.	iv.	FRANCESCA CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1891, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. Bef. 2004.
19.	v.	JOSEPH P. CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1895, New Orleans,
LA; d. 29 May 1967, New Orleans, LA.
20.	vi.	JOSEPHINE CALCAGNO, b. 03 Dec 1895, New
Orleans, LA; d. 01 Aug 1925, New Orleans, LA.


Generation No. 3

8.  GIROLAMO4 CALCAGNO (FRANCESCO SALVADORE3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1870 in Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died 03 Jun 1941
in New Orleans, LA.  He married CARMELA CAMINITA 30
Jul 1893 in New Orleans, La., daughter of NICOLO
CAMINITA and S. LAROSA.  She was born Abt. 1878 in
Louisiana.
	
Children of GIROLAMO CALCAGNO and CARMELA CAMINITA
are:
	i.	LIBORIA (LAURA)5 CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1895,
Louisiana; d. Bef. 1971; m. IGNAZIO MODICA, 04 Sep
1912, New Orleans, La..
	ii.	ROSIE CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1897, Louisiana; m.
UNKNOWN GUIRIANTANO.
	iii.	SALVADORE CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1898, Louisiana.
21.	iv.	NICHOLAS C. CALCAGNO, b. 16 Sep 1900, New
Orleans, LA; d. 07 Apr 1971.
22.	v.	JOSEPH J. CALCAGNO, b. 18 Jan 1903, New
Orleans, LA; d. 20 Jul 1963.


9.  LUCIA (LUCILLE)4 LOPINTO (MARIA ANNA3 CALCAGNO,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1873 in Italy,
and died 22 Sep 1931 in Lafourche Parish, La..  She
married GIUSEPPE DELISE 18 Apr 1887 in Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, son of SALVATORE
DILISI and FILIPPA PASSAFIUME.  He was born Bet. 1863
- 1866 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	
Children of LUCIA LOPINTO and GIUSEPPE DELISE are:
	i.	MICHELE5 DELISE, b. 01 Dec 1890, New Orleans, LA.
	ii.	GIUSEPPINA DELISE, b. 01 Apr 1895, New Orleans,
LA.
	iii.	INEZ DELISE, b. Abt. 1896, Police Jury Ward 3,
Lafourche, La.
	iv.	ANTHONY DELISE, b. Abt. 1897, Louisiana; d. 28
Jul 1942, Louisiana.
	v.	ANNA DELISE, b. Abt. 1898, Police Jury Ward 3,
Lafourche, La.
	vi.	LAURA DELISE, b. Abt. 1902, Police Jury Ward 3,
Lafourche, La.
23.	vii.	ARGENTINA DELISE, b. Abt. 1904, Police Jury
Ward 3, Lafourche, La; d. May 1943, New Orleans, LA.
	viii.	UNKNOWN DELISE, b. Abt. 1907, Police Jury Ward
3, Lafourche, La.
	ix.	FRANCIS DELISE, b. Abt. 1909, Louisiana.
	x.	ROSIE DELISE, b. Abt. 1912, Louisiana.


10.  GEROME4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born 08 Dec 1876 in Palermo, Italy ?,
and died 21 Jul 1952 in New Orleans, LA.  He married
ANNA CORSO* 06 Apr 1902 in New Orleans, La., daughter
of ANTONINO CORSO and AGOSTINA FORMUSA.  She was born
30 Nov 1884 in New Orleans, LA, and died 06 Sep 1986.
	
Children of GEROME CALCAGNO and ANNA CORSO* are:
	i.	ERNEST5 CALCAGNO, d. Bef. 1995.
	ii.	JOSEPH CALCAGNO, d. Bef. Jan 2006.
	iii.	JULIUS CALCAGNO.
24.	iv.	SYLVIA CALCAGNO.
25.	v.	ROSE MARY CALCAGNO*, b. 01 Apr 1903, New
Orleans, LA; d. 13 May 1995, New Orleans, LA.
26.	vi.	ANTHONY B. CALCAGNO, b. 12 Apr 1905, New
Orleans, LA; d. 16 Mar 1996.
	vii.	AUGUSTINE R. CALCAGNO, b. 22 May 1907, New
Orleans, LA; d. 03 Jan 2006.


11.  FRANCESCA4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born 1879 in Palermo, Sicily, Italy,
and died 1953.  She married GIUSEPPE DILIBERTO 28 Apr
1895 in New Orleans, La., son of BERNARDO DILIBERTO
and ANGELINA SALVAGIO.  He was born Abt. 1873, and
died Bef. 1972.
	
Children of FRANCESCA CALCAGNO and GIUSEPPE DILIBERTO
are:
	i.	BERNARDO J.5 DILIBERTO, b. 26 Mar 1896, New
Orleans, LA; d. 13 Oct 1966, Biloxi, Mississippi ?.
	ii.	ANGELINA DILIBERTO, b. 16 Jul 1898, New Orleans,
LA; d. 16 Jan 1989, Biloxi, Harrison County, 
Mississippi; m. EMILLO JOSEPH FALLO, SR, 20 Oct 1920,
New Orleans, La.; b. 05 Jul 1898, New Orleans, LA; d.
27 Aug 1973, Biloxi, Harrison County,  Mississippi.
	iii.	ONOFRIO DILIBERTO, b. 24 Feb 1899, New Orleans,
LA.
27.	iv.	ROSE DILIBERTO, b. Abt. 1901; d. 20 Nov 1944.


12.  PROVVIDENZA4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1881 in Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died 18 Jan 1950 in New
Orleans, LA.  She married GUISEPPE GUARDALABENE 24 Apr
1904 in New Orleans, La., son of ANTONINO GUARDALABENE
and ANNA AGLIERI-RINELLA.  He was born Abt. 1877 in
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died 15
Jul 1956 in New Orleans, LA.
	
Children of PROVVIDENZA CALCAGNO and GUISEPPE
GUARDALABENE are:
	i.	UNKNOWN5 GUARDALABENE, m. I. B. ARRIGO.
	ii.	ANTHONY J. GUARDALABENE, b. Abt. 1906.
	iii.	ROSE GUARDALABENE, b. Abt. 1912; d. Bef. 1950;
m. UNKNOWN THERIOT.


13.  GIUSEPPE4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born 02 Nov 1883 in Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily Italy, and died 17 Feb 1965 in Dallas,
Texas.  He married ROSINA GRISAFFI 27 Oct 1909 in New
Orleans, La., daughter of BASILE GRISAFFI and MARIA
CULMONE.  She was born 25 Nov 1883 in New Orleans, LA 
 (Gretna), and died 07 Feb 1964 in Dallas, Texas.
	
Children of GIUSEPPE CALCAGNO and ROSINA GRISAFFI are:
	i.	BRAZIL A.5 CALCAGNO, d. 24 Feb 1945, Iwo Jima.
	ii.	ERNEST CALCAGNO, b. 27 Jan 1910, Beaumont, Texas;
d. Mar 1952, Houston, Texas; m. IRENE WARREN.
	iii.	ROSE MARY CALCAGNO, b. 1914; d. 1992.
	iv.	MARY RITA CALCAGNO, b. 1916; d. 1997; m. CARL H
STOVALL.


14.  GAETANA (LORETTA)4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1891 in New Orleans, LA, and
died 21 Apr 1964.  She married FRANCESCO J. DILIBERTO
28 Apr 1909 in New Orleans, La., son of BERNARDO
DILIBERTO and ANGELINA SALVAGIO.  He was born Abt.
1884 in ?, Italy, and died Bef. 1964.
	
Children of GAETANA CALCAGNO and FRANCESCO DILIBERTO
are:
	i.	UNKNOWN5 DILIBERTO, m. A. LACIURA.
	ii.	UNKNOWN DILIBERTO, m. JOSEPH D'ARCANGELO.


15.  SALVATORE4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1893 in New Orleans, LA, and
died Bef. 1950.  He married FLORENCE GRILLETTO 10 Jun
1914 in New Orleans, La., daughter of STEFAN GRILLETTO
and MARIA CARFASI.  She was born Abt. 1893 in St.
Guiseppe?, Italy, and died Bef. 1995.
	
Children of SALVATORE CALCAGNO and FLORENCE GRILLETTO
are:
	i.	NORFIER (SALVADORE)5 CALCAGNO, d. Bef. 1995.
28.	ii.	ROSE CALCAGNO, d. Bef. 1995.
	iii.	ANNIE CALCAGNO, d. Bef. 1995; m. UNKNOWN
GUZZARDI.
29.	iv.	MARY ROSE CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1920, Gretna,
Louisiana; d. 14 Jan 1995.
30.	v.	FRANCES CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1922, Gretna, LA; d.
25 Oct 2005, Marrero, LA.
31.	vi.	LENA B. CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1928, New Orleans,
LA; d. 22 Jun 1967.


16.  ANNIE4 CALCAGNO (LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) died Bef. 2003.  She married ADOLPH S.
INDOVINA in Adolph's second marriage, son of ANTONINO
INDOVINA and MARGHARITA MESSINEO.  He was born 1892 in
New Orleans, LA, and died 22 Aug 1953 in New Orleans,
LA.
	
Children of ANNIE CALCAGNO and ADOLPH INDOVINA are:
	i.	ADOLPH5 INDOVINA, JR.
	ii.	LEON INDOVINA.
	iii.	FRANCES INDOVINA, d. Bef. 2003; m. UNKNOWN
SCHOLL.
32.	iv.	MARGUERITE INDOVINA, b. 26 Feb 1916, New
Orleans, LA; d. 21 Oct 2003.


17.  JAMES A4 CALCAGNO, SR (LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born 22 Feb 1890 in New Orleans, LA,
and died 04 Feb 1956 in New Orleans, LA.  He married
BERTHA FELICIA ADAM, daughter of BERTHOD ADAM and
EURINA TERREBONNE.  She was born 01 Feb 1904, and died
06 Jul 1978.
	
Children of JAMES CALCAGNO and BERTHA ADAM are:
33.	i.	LEONARD A5 CALCAGNO, b. 09 Apr 1922, New
Orleans, LA; d. 06 Sep 1972, Jefferson Parish,
Louisiana.
	ii.	JAMES ANTHONY CALCAGNO, JR, b. 11 Jan 1925; d. 10
Apr 1977.


18.  FRANCESCA4 CALCAGNO (LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1891 in Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died Bef. 2004.  She
married ANTONINO MUSACCHIA 03 Jun 1914 in New Orleans,
La., son of GIUSEPPE MUSACCHIA and ANTONINA TERRANOVA.
 He was born Abt. 1882 in Contessa Entellina, Sicily,
Italy, and died Bef. 2004.
	
Children of FRANCESCA CALCAGNO and ANTONINO MUSACCHIA
are:
	i.	JOSEPH L5 MUSACCHIA, d. Bef. Jun 2003.
	ii.	ANTOINETTE F. MUSACCHIA, b. 15 Mar 1915, New
Orleans, LA; d. 04 Jun 2003, Jefferson Parish,
Louisiana.
34.	iii.	LEON S. MUSACCHIA, b. 27 Jun 1919; d. 15 Oct
2004.


19.  JOSEPH P.4 CALCAGNO (LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1895 in New Orleans, LA, and
died 29 May 1967 in New Orleans, LA.
	
Children of JOSEPH P. CALCAGNO are:
	i.	UNKNOWN5 CALCAGNO, m. ADAM DELATTE.
	ii.	JOSEPH D CALCAGNO.


20.  JOSEPHINE4 CALCAGNO (LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born 03 Dec 1895 in New Orleans, LA,
and died 01 Aug 1925 in New Orleans, LA.  She married
ADOLPH S. INDOVINA 21 Oct 1914 in New Orleans, La.,
son of ANTONINO INDOVINA and MARGHARITA MESSINEO.  He
was born 1892 in New Orleans, LA, and died 22 Aug 1953
in New Orleans, LA.
	
Children of JOSEPHINE CALCAGNO and ADOLPH INDOVINA
are:
	i.	ADOLPH5 S.INDOVINA, JR.
	ii.	LEON INDOVINA.
	iii.	UNKNOWN INDOVINA, m. L. E. REILING.
	iv.	FRANCES INDOVINA, d. Feb 2001; m. W. T. SCHOLL.


Generation No. 4

21.  NICHOLAS C.5 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO4, FRANCESCO
SALVADORE3, GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 16 Sep
1900 in New Orleans, LA, and died 07 Apr 1971.  He
married MARY THERESA (MAE) NAVO.  She died Bef. 2005.
	
Child of NICHOLAS CALCAGNO and MARY NAVO is:
	i.	JEROME SALVATOR6 CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1924; d. 22 Aug
2005.


22.  JOSEPH J.5 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO4, FRANCESCO
SALVADORE3, GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 18 Jan
1903 in New Orleans, LA, and died 20 Jul 1963.  He
married FRANCIS DELISE.  
	
Child of JOSEPH CALCAGNO and FRANCIS DELISE is:
	i.	JEROME J6 CALCAGNO.


23.  ARGENTINA5 DELISE (LUCIA (LUCILLE)4 LOPINTO,
MARIA ANNA3 CALCAGNO, GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born
Abt. 1904 in Police Jury Ward 3, Lafourche, La, and
died May 1943 in New Orleans, LA.  She married NORBERT
CHABERT.  
	
Children of ARGENTINA DELISE and NORBERT CHABERT are:
	i.	LUCY6 CHABERT, m. MILTON LEAYCRAFT.
	ii.	LEONARD JOSEPH CHABERT, b. Abt. 1933, Cutoff,
Louisiana; d. 26 Sep 1991, Louisiana; m. VIONA
LAPEYROUSE.


24.  SYLVIA5 CALCAGNO (GEROME4, ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1)  She married JACOB J MARCHESE.  
	
Children of SYLVIA CALCAGNO and JACOB MARCHESE are:
	i.	PHILIP6 MARCHESE.
	ii.	GERALD JEROME MARCHESE, b. Abt. 1948; d. 25 Apr
2000, Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; m. PATRICIA KAUPP.


25.  ROSE MARY5 CALCAGNO* (GEROME4 CALCAGNO, ONOFRIO3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 01 Apr 1903 in New
Orleans, LA, and died 13 May 1995 in New Orleans, LA. 
She married VINCENT JOSEPH GIARDINA, son of JOSEPH
GIARDINA and LENA GRIPPE.  He was born 03 Apr 1902 in
Harvey, Louisiana, and died 29 Mar 1959.
	
Children of ROSE CALCAGNO* and VINCENT GIARDINA are:
	i.	LENA MAY6 GIARDINA.
	ii.	MELANIE D GIARDINA, m. JOSEPH DEMPSEY.
	iii.	SYLVIA GIARDINA, m. UNKNOWN BREAUX.
	iv.	VINCENT J GIARDINA, JR.
	v.	PHYLLIS A GIARDINA, m. EDWIN MITTS.
	vi.	JOSEPH R GIARDINA.
	vii.	DIANE M GIARDINA.
	viii.	JEROME GIARDINA.
	ix.	ANNA RITA GIARDINA, b. 04 Jan 1929, New Orleans,
LA; d. 27 Jul 2001; m. DARWAYNE COBURN.


26.  ANTHONY B.5 CALCAGNO (GEROME4, ONOFRIO3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 12 Apr 1905 in New
Orleans, LA, and died 16 Mar 1996.  He married (1)
ADELE JOSEPHINE ABADIE in lst marriage, daughter of
THEODORE ABADIE and ADELE LARTIGUE.  She was born Abt.
1910, and died 02 Mar 1962.  He married (2) PAULINE
MASCARI Abt. 1936 in 2nd marriage, daughter of FRANK
MASCARI and MARGUERITE BARRACO.  She was born 26 Jun
1916 in New Orleans, LA, and died 18 Mar 2000.
	
Children of ANTHONY CALCAGNO and ADELE ABADIE are:
	i.	MARIE ADELE6 CALCAGNO.
	ii.	ANTHONY B. CALCAGNO, JR, m. JUNE UNKNOWN.


27.  ROSE5 DILIBERTO (FRANCESCA4 CALCAGNO, ONOFRIO3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1901, and died 20
Nov 1944.  She married CARMELO (EMILE) RUSSO in
Marriage 1, son of SALVATORE RUSSO and OLIVIA FALLO. 
He was born 29 Apr 1901 in New Orleans, LA, and died
16 Apr 2002 in Metairie, Louisiana.
	
Children of ROSE DILIBERTO and CARMELO RUSSO are:
	i.	JOSEPH6 RUSSO, d. Bef. 2002.
	ii.	SALVATORE RUSSO.


28.  ROSE5 CALCAGNO (SALVATORE4, ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) died Bef. 1995.  She married ALWYN
CHAMPAGNE.  He died Bef. 2006.
	
Child of ROSE CALCAGNO and ALWYN CHAMPAGNE is:
	i.	RICHARD ALWYN6 CHAMPAGNE, b. 1946, New Orleans,
LA; d. 21 Aug 2006; m. MARIA UNKNOWN.


29.  MARY ROSE5 CALCAGNO (SALVATORE4, ONOFRIO3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1920 in Gretna,
Louisiana, and died 14 Jan 1995.  She married PHILIP
P.BOURGEOIS, JR.  He died Bef. 1995.
	
Children of MARY CALCAGNO and PHILIP P.BOURGEOIS are:
	i.	LINDA6 BOURGEOIS, m. UNKNOWN COMEAUX.
	ii.	MARGARIE BOURGEOIS, m. UNKNOWN BROOME.
	iii.	ADRIAN BOURGEOIS, d. Bef. 1995.


30.  FRANCES5 CALCAGNO (SALVATORE4, ONOFRIO3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1922 in Gretna,
LA, and died 25 Oct 2005 in Marrero, LA.  She married
WILLIAM (MIKE) F. HUGHES.  He died Bef. 2005.
	
Children of FRANCES CALCAGNO and WILLIAM HUGHES are:
	i.	JUDY6 HUGHES, m. UNKNOWN BLANCHARD.
	ii.	CAROL HUGHES, m. UNKNOWN GILCHRIST.
	iii.	MARIE HUGHES, m. UNKNOWN HINCHEY.


31.  LENA B.5 CALCAGNO (SALVATORE4, ONOFRIO3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1928 in New
Orleans, LA, and died 22 Jun 1967.  She married THOMAS
J. FONTI.  
	
Child of LENA CALCAGNO and THOMAS FONTI is:
	i.	DORA ANN6 FONTI.


32.  MARGUERITE5 INDOVINA (ANNIE4 CALCAGNO, LEONARDO3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 26 Feb 1916 in New
Orleans, LA, and died 21 Oct 2003.  She married LOUIS
E. REILING.  He died Bef. 2003.
	
Children of MARGUERITE INDOVINA and LOUIS REILING are:
	i.	BARBARA6 REILING, m. UNKNOWN CLARK.
	ii.	JANICE REILING, m. UNKNOWN SCLAFANI.


33.  LEONARD A5 CALCAGNO (JAMES A4, LEONARDO3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 09 Apr 1922 in New
Orleans, LA, and died 06 Sep 1972 in Jefferson Parish,
Louisiana.  He married MARGUARITE VICTORIA AMATO 02
Aug 1940 in New Orleans, La., daughter of JOSEPH AMATO
and LENA MANCUSO.  She was born 23 Mar 1923, and died
14 Jul 2002.
	
Children of LEONARD CALCAGNO and MARGUARITE AMATO are:
	i.	LEONARD A.6 CALCAGNO, JR.
	ii.	CAROLE CALCAGNO, m. (1) UNKNOWN GARLEPIED; m. (2)
UNKNOWN WALLACE.
	iii.	LYNN ANN CALCAGNO, b. 20 Feb 1943, New Orleans,
LA; d. 07 Nov 1997, Metairie, Louisiana; m. RONALD
SCALLAN.


34.  LEON S.5 MUSACCHIA (FRANCESCA4 CALCAGNO,
LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 27 Jun
1919, and died 15 Oct 2004.  He married DORN UNKNOWN. 

	
Child of LEON MUSACCHIA and DORN UNKNOWN is:
	i.	FRANCIS A6 MUSACCHIA.






--- nell lamantia <nellie at woh.rr.com> wrote:

> After checking the database on Laura's suggestion, I
> find that the 
> Delisi/Dilisi line that I am researching is indeed
> the descendants of 
> Antonino Dilisi and Saveria Cira.
> 



From ltedesco26 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 22 22:51:17 2006
From: ltedesco26 at yahoo.com (Larie Tedesco)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:51:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Lanasa line in New Orleans
Message-ID: <20061022195117.71276.qmail@web36212.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is one line of Lanasa's in New Orleans..this is
not complete.

Jay Lanasa's line in New Orleans
Rosario Lanasa born 1887 in Cefalu, Sicily and died
1975 married Giovanna Concetta Mazzola born 1897 New
Orleans died 1975, her family from Ustica.  Rosario
son of Giacomo Lanasa born 1852 Termini died 1917 New
Orleans and Provvidenza Greco born 1852 Cefalu died
1932 New Orleans.

My main connection
Maria Papania born 1849 Termini married Mariano Lanasa
born 1844 Termini.  I do not know if they lived in New
Orleans.  Mariano Lanasa son of Agostino Lanasa and
Margherita Galluzzo.  Maria Papania daughter of
Giuseppe Papania and Salvadora Malattia.  Sister of
Maria Anna Papania born 1831 married Salvatore Corso
born Termini son of Antonino Corso and Maria Giuliano.
 Corso's lived in Louisiana and Mississippi.  Also
sister of Cosima Papania born 1833 Termini married
Saverio Tedesco born about 1812 Termini (my paternal
great grandparents)


Descendants of Mariano Lanasa


Generation No. 1

1.  MARIANO1 LANASA  He married GIUSEPPA CALDERONE,
daughter of COSIMO CALDERONE and MARIANNA RE.  She was
born Abt. 1792, and died 13 Jul 1837 in Termini
Imerese, Sicily,  Palermo, Italy.
	
Child of MARIANO LANASA and GIUSEPPA CALDERONE is:
2.	i.	MATTEO2 LANASA, b. Abt. 1759; d. 11 Jul 1829,
Termini Imerese, Sicily,  Palermo, Italy.


Generation No. 2

2.  MATTEO2 LANASA (MARIANO1) was born Abt. 1759, and
died 11 Jul 1829 in Termini Imerese, Sicily,  Palermo,
Italy.  He married GIUSEPPA CATANZARO.  She was born
Bet. 1750 - 1760, and died Bef. 1829.
	
Child of MATTEO LANASA and GIUSEPPA CATANZARO is:
3.	i.	MARIANO3 LANASA, b. Abt. 1785, Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy.


Generation No. 3

3.  MARIANO3 LANASA (MATTEO2, MARIANO1) was born Abt.
1785 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He
married (1) VINCENZA MIRABELLA, daughter of MATTEO
MIRABELLA and MARIA LASCOLA.  She died 30 Dec 1857 in
Termini Imerese, Sicily,  Palermo, Italy.  He married
(2) VINCENZA MIRABELLA.  
	
Children of MARIANO LANASA and VINCENZA MIRABELLA are:
4.	i.	MATTEO4 LANASA, b. Termini Imerese, Palermo,
Sicily, Italy; d. Bef. 1875.
5.	ii.	GIUSEPPA LANASA.
6.	iii.	AGOSTINO LANASA, d. 07 Jun 1856, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
7.	iv.	GIUSEPPE LANASA.
	v.	ANNA LANASA, b. 23 Dec 1822, Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 03 Jul 1823, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
8.	vi.	ANNA LANASA, b. 01 Oct 1824, Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	vii.	ANTONINA LANASA, b. 13 Oct 1826, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; m. SALVADORE IGNAZIO
RINI, 27 Mar 1847, Termini Imerese, Sicily, Palermo,
Italy.


Generation No. 4

4.  MATTEO4 LANASA (MARIANO3, MATTEO2, MARIANO1) was
born in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and
died Bef. 1875.  He married (1) ANTONINA (AGATA)
NAVARRA 30 May 1830 in Termini Imerese, Sicily,
Palermo, Italy, daughter of ROSARIO NAVARRA and
GIUSEPPA SEMINARA.  She was born Abt. 1814, and died
22 Apr 1834 in Termini Imerese, Sicily,  Palermo,
Italy.  He married (2) MARIA ANNA LASCOLA 26 Apr 1835
in Termini Imerese, Sicily, Palermo, Italy, daughter
of GIACOMO LASCOLA and GIUSEPPA ARENA.  She was born
in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	
Children of MATTEO LANASA and MARIA LASCOLA are:
	i.	CARMELA5 LANASA, d. 20 Dec 1851, Termini Imerese,
Sicily,  Palermo, Italy.
	ii.	MATTEO LANASA.
	iii.	MARIANO LANASA, b. 19 Feb 1836, Termini Imerese,
Sicily,  Palermo, Italy; d. 21 Jul 1837, Termini
Imerese, Sicily,  Palermo, Italy.
	iv.	MARIANO LANASA, b. 13 Sep 1837, Termini Imerese,
Sicily,  Palermo, Italy; d. 08 Jul 1838, Termini
Imerese, Sicily,  Palermo, Italy.
	v.	VINCENZA LANASA, b. 12 May 1839, Termini Imerese,
Sicily,  Palermo, Italy.
	vi.	ANNA LANASA, b. 20 Jul 1844, Termini Imerese,
Sicily,  Palermo, Italy.
9.	vii.	MARIANO (MARINO) LANASA, b. 23 Jul 1847,
Termini Imerese, Sicily,  Palermo, Italy; d. 21 Jul
1933, New Orleans, LA.
10.	viii.	GIACOMO LANASA, b. 01 Jan 1852, Termini
Imerese, Sicily, Palermo, Italy; d. 23 Mar 1917, New
Orleans, LA.
	ix.	CARMELA LANASA, b. 18 Dec 1855, Termini Imerese,
Sicily,  Palermo, Italy.


5.  GIUSEPPA4 LANASA (MARIANO3, MATTEO2, MARIANO1) 
She married ALBERTO GUARINO 20 Apr 1830 in Termini
Imerese, Sicily, Palermo, Italy, son of MARIANO
GUARINO and ANGELA PIRRONE.  
	
Children of GIUSEPPA LANASA and ALBERTO GUARINO are:
	i.	VINCENZA5 GUARINO, m. FRANCESCO MICHELE DEMMA, 02
Mar 1851, Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	ii.	CARMELA GUARINO, d. 02 Dec 1845, Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	iii.	ANGELA VINCENZA GUARINO, b. 07 Oct 1830, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 18 Jul 1837,
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
11.	iv.	VIRGINA MARIA CARMELA GUARINO, b. 02 Feb 1835,
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	v.	MARIANO GUARINO, b. 23 Nov 1837, Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	vi.	CARMELO GUARINO, b. 21 Jul 1843, Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	vii.	MARIA CARMELA GUARINO, b. 14 Dec 1845, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	viii.	GIUSEPPE GUARINO, b. 30 Jan 1848, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 24 Feb 1848,
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	ix.	CARMELA GUARINO, b. Feb 1849, Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 05 Mar 1849, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	x.	FRANCESCO PAOLO GUARINO, b. 05 Apr 1850, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	xi.	ANGELA GUARINO, b. 09 Nov 1940, Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy.


6.  AGOSTINO4 LANASA (MARIANO3, MATTEO2, MARIANO1)
died 07 Jun 1856 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily,
Italy.  He married MARGHERITA GALLUZZO 04 Apr 1843 in
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, daughter of
ANTONINO GALLUZO and FILIPPA BATTAGLIA.  
	
Children of AGOSTINO LANASA and MARGHERITA GALLUZZO
are:
12.	i.	MARIANO5 LANASA, b. 04 May 1844, Termini
Imerese, Sicily,  Palermo, Italy.
	ii.	LORENZO/LORENZA LANASA, b. 31 Jul 1847, Termini
Imerese, Sicily,  Palermo, Italy; d. 23 Jun 1848,
Termini Imerese, Sicily,  Palermo, Italy.
	iii.	VINCENZA LANASA, b. 01 Jun 1849, Termini
Imerese, Sicily,  Palermo, Italy.
	iv.	ANTONINO LANASA, b. 09 Apr 1853, Termini Imerese,
Sicily,  Palermo, Italy.


7.  GIUSEPPE4 LANASA (MARIANO3, MATTEO2, MARIANO1)  He
married MARIA CIANCIOLO 26 Feb 1838 in Termini
Imerese, Sicily, Palermo, Italy, daughter of MARCO
CIANCIOLO and COSIMA RINI.  
	
Child of GIUSEPPE LANASA and MARIA CIANCIOLO is:
	i.	VINCENZA5 LANASA, b. 17 Feb 1847, Termini Imerese,
Sicily,  Palermo, Italy.


8.  ANNA4 LANASA (MARIANO3, MATTEO2, MARIANO1) was
born 01 Oct 1824 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily,
Italy.  She married ANTONINO MARCELLINO 03 Dec 1843 in
Termini Imerese, Sicily, Palermo, Italy, son of
MARIANO MARCELLINO and MARINA AVALLONE.  
	
Children of ANNA LANASA and ANTONINO MARCELLINO are:
	i.	AGOSTINO5 MARCELLINO, m. TERESA SANTANGELO, 02 Dec
1888, Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	ii.	MARIANO MARCELLINO, b. 09 Oct 1844, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	iii.	PASQUALE MARCELLINO, b. 28 Feb 1847, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	iv.	CARMELO MARCELLINO, b. 02 Apr 1850, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	v.	MARINA MARCELLINO, b. 22 Dec 1852, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	vi.	MICHELE MARCELLINO, b. 17 Mar 1856, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; m. ANTONINA LANASA.
	vii.	MARINA MARCELLINO, b. 26 Feb 1859, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	viii.	MARINA MARCELLINO, b. 26 Feb 1859, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.


Generation No. 5

9.  MARIANO (MARINO)5 LANASA (MATTEO4, MARIANO3,
MATTEO2, MARIANO1) was born 23 Jul 1847 in Termini
Imerese, Sicily,  Palermo, Italy, and died 21 Jul 1933
in New Orleans, LA.  He married MARIA TUMINELLO 11 Nov
1875 in Cefalu, Sicily, Italy, daughter of GIUSEPPE
TUMMINELLO and ROSARIA BARRANCO.  She was born Abt.
1855 in Cefalu, Sicily, Italy, and died 11 May 1928 in
New Orleans, LA.
	
Children of MARIANO LANASA and MARIA TUMINELLO are:
	i.	JOHN6 LANASA.
	ii.	MATTEO LANASA, d. Bef. 1933.
13.	iii.	GIUSEPPE LANASA, b. 10 Jan 1878, Cefalu,
Sicily, Italy.
	iv.	SEBASTIAN LANASA, b. 20 Jan 1879, Cefalu, Sicily,
Italy; d. 21 Aug 1938, New Orleans, LA.
	v.	MARIETTE (MARIA) LANASA, b. 29 Feb 1880, Cefalu,
Sicily, Italy; d. 03 Dec 1910, New Orleans, LA; m.
COSIMO CAMPO, 27 Apr 1910, New Orleans, La.; b. Abt.
1880, Vicari, Italy.
	vi.	SALVATORE LANASA, b. 05 Jul 1883, Cefalu, Sicily,
Italy; d. Nov 1978; m. JEANNE SERIO, 06 Jul 1908, New
Orleans, La.; b. 14 Sep 1888, Franaci, Italy; d. Oct
1977, New Orleans, LA.
	vii.	SARAH LANASA, b. Abt. 1884, Italy; m. CARMELO
CROCETTI, 30 Jul 1914, New Orleans, La.; b. Abt. 1887,
Carrais, Italy.
14.	viii.	ANTONINO V. LANASA, b. 12 Jun 1885, Cefalu,
Sicily, Italy; d. 18 Jan 1970, New Orleans, LA.
	ix.	MICHELE H. LANASA, b. 10 Mar 1887; d. 25 Sep
1963, New Orleans, LA; m. ZELMA MARGUERITE LOUPE; b.
12 May 1906; d. 18 Oct 1954, New Orleans, LA.


10.  GIACOMO5 LANASA (MATTEO4, MARIANO3, MATTEO2,
MARIANO1) was born 01 Jan 1852 in Termini Imerese,
Sicily, Palermo, Italy, and died 23 Mar 1917 in New
Orleans, LA.  He married PROVVIDENZA GRECO 24 Feb 1876
in Cefalu, Sicily, Italy, daughter of MATTIO GRECO and
TERESA UNKNOWN.  She was born Abt. 1852 in Cefalu,
Sicily, Italy, and died 23 Mar 1932 in New Orleans,
LA.
	
Children of GIACOMO LANASA and PROVVIDENZA GRECO are:
15.	i.	MARIETTA (MARIE)6 LANASA, b. Abt. 1877, Cefalu,
Sicily, Italy; d. 02 Nov 1978.
	ii.	MATTEO LANASA, b. 16 Jun 1878, Cefalu, Sicily,
Italy; d. 20 Sep 1908, New Orleans, LA.
16.	iii.	TERESA LANASA, b. Abt. 1880, Cefalu, Sicily,
Italy; d. 01 May 1952, New Orleans, LA.
17.	iv.	SALVATORE LANASA, b. 02 Aug 1881, Cefalu,
Sicily, Italy; d. 02 Aug 1948, New Orleans, LA.
	v.	VINCENZO LANASA, b. 08 Aug 1883, Cefalu, Sicily,
Italy; d. 14 Dec 1960, New Orleans, LA.
18.	vi.	GIOVANNI R. (JOHN RICHARD) LANASA, b. Abt.
1884, Cefalu, Sicily, Italy.
	vii.	ROSARIO LANASA, b. 02 Mar 1887, Cefalu, Sicily,
Italy; d. Apr 1975, New Orleans, LA; m. GIOVANNA
(JENNY) CONCETTA MAZZOLA, 08 Sep 1915, New Orleans,
La; b. 23 Apr 1897, New Orleans, LA; d. 1975.


11.  VIRGINA MARIA CARMELA5 GUARINO (GIUSEPPA4 LANASA,
MARIANO3, MATTEO2, MARIANO1) was born 02 Feb 1835 in
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  She married
ANTONINO SILVESTRE 21 Feb 1854 in Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy, son of IGNAZIO SILVESTRE and
BIAGGIA MANTIA.  
	
Children of VIRGINA GUARINO and ANTONINO SILVESTRE
are:
	i.	MARIANO6 SILVESTRE, b. 25 Jan 1861, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	ii.	ANTONINO SILVESTRE, b. 22 Jul 1865, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.


12.  MARIANO5 LANASA (AGOSTINO4, MARIANO3, MATTEO2,
MARIANO1) was born 04 May 1844 in Termini Imerese,
Sicily,  Palermo, Italy.  He married MARIA PAPANIA 08
Feb 1872 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy,
daughter of GIUSEPPE PAPANIA and SALVADORA MALATTIA. 
She was born 30 Aug 1849 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
Sicily, Italy.
	
Child of MARIANO LANASA and MARIA PAPANIA is:
	i.	GIUSEPPA6 LANASA, m. DOMENICO SCIMO, 24 Oct 1899,
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; b. Palermo,
Italy.


Generation No. 6

13.  GIUSEPPE6 LANASA (MARIANO (MARINO)5, MATTEO4,
MARIANO3, MATTEO2, MARIANO1) was born 10 Jan 1878 in
Cefalu, Sicily, Italy.  He married CARMELA CULOTTA 30
Oct 1901 in New Orleans, La., daughter of PAOLA
CULOTTA and ROSARIA MUFULETTO.  She was born Abt. 1880
in Cefalu, Italy, and died 06 Aug 1924 in New Orleans,
LA.
	
Children of GIUSEPPE LANASA and CARMELA CULOTTA are:
	i.	JOSEPH A7 LANASA.
	ii.	SARA LANASA.
	iii.	LENA LANASA.
	iv.	EVA LANASA.


14.  ANTONINO V.6 LANASA (MARIANO (MARINO)5, MATTEO4,
MARIANO3, MATTEO2, MARIANO1) was born 12 Jun 1885 in
Cefalu, Sicily, Italy, and died 18 Jan 1970 in New
Orleans, LA.  He married MARIETTA (MARIA) MARASA 19
Oct 1905 in New Orleans, La., daughter of FILIPPO
MARASA and MARIA MINEO.  She was born 24 Feb 1889 in
Palermo, Italy, and died 02 Oct 1972 in New Orleans,
LA.
	
Children of ANTONINO LANASA and MARIETTA MARASA are:
	i.	MARIE7 LANASA, d. Bef. 2004; m. JOSEPH LANASA.
	ii.	PAULINE LANASA, d. Bef. 2004; m. RENE FRANSEN.
19.	iii.	GLORIA LANASA.
	iv.	MARION A. LANASA, b. Abt. 1915, New Orleans, LA;
d. 14 Nov 2004, New Orleans, LA; m. (1) BARBARA
PARHAM; m. (2) GLORIA RISO; d. Bef. 2004.
20.	v.	PHILIP PAUL LANASA, b. Abt. 1917, New Orleans,
LA; d. Jul 1997, Jefferson Parish, La.


15.  MARIETTA (MARIE)6 LANASA (GIACOMO5, MATTEO4,
MARIANO3, MATTEO2, MARIANO1) was born Abt. 1877 in
Cefalu, Sicily, Italy, and died 02 Nov 1978.  She
married FRANCESCO (FRANK) CIPRIANI 07 Apr 1901 in New
Orleans, La., son of NICOLO CIPRIANI and CONCHETTA
TESTA.  He was born Abt. 1875 in Cefalu, Italy, and
died 19 Dec 1924.
	
Child of MARIETTA LANASA and FRANCESCO CIPRIANI is:
	i.	MARIA CONCETTA7 CIPRIANI, b. 15 Dec 1901, New
Orleans, LA; m. UNKNOWN SIZELER.


16.  TERESA6 LANASA (GIACOMO5, MATTEO4, MARIANO3,
MATTEO2, MARIANO1) was born Abt. 1880 in Cefalu,
Sicily, Italy, and died 01 May 1952 in New Orleans,
LA.  She married ANDREA (ANDREW) D'ARRIGO 27 Mar 1897
in New Orleans, La., son of GIOVANNI D'ARRIGO and
SANTA CUCCIA.  He was born Abt. 1873 in Messina,
Italy, and died Bef. 1952.
	
Children of TERESA LANASA and ANDREA D'ARRIGO are:
	i.	HELENA7 D'ARRIGO.
	ii.	JOHN D'ARRIGO, d. Bef. 1952.
21.	iii.	ZINA D'ARRIGO, d. Bef. 1952.
	iv.	GIUSEPPINA D'ARRIGO, b. 15 Dec 1898, New Orleans,
LA; m. PAUL CHIARELLO.
	v.	MARY PROVVIDENZA (GRACE) D'ARRIGO, b. 25 Mar 1900,
New Orleans, LA; m. GAETANO VINCENZO (CHARLES)
MASCARI, Aft. 1916; b. 21 Jul 1896, Ustica, Palermo,
Italy; d. 10 Apr 1987, New Orleans, LA.


17.  SALVATORE6 LANASA (GIACOMO5, MATTEO4, MARIANO3,
MATTEO2, MARIANO1) was born 02 Aug 1881 in Cefalu,
Sicily, Italy, and died 02 Aug 1948 in New Orleans,
LA.  He married GAETANA (TANA) ROSATO 28 Jun 1905 in
New Orleans, La., daughter of MATTEO ROSATO and
FILIPPA GENNERO.  She was born Abt. 1888 in New
Orleans, LA, and died Bef. 1948.
	
Children of SALVATORE LANASA and GAETANA ROSATO are:
	i.	UNKNOWN7 LANASA, m. JOHN B. SCANLAN.
	ii.	UNKNOWN LANASA, m. JOHN STECHMANN.
	iii.	ROSEMARY LANASA, d. May 1996; m. FRANCIS A.
BRUE.
	iv.	JAMES E LANASA.
	v.	M. J. LANASA.


18.  GIOVANNI R. (JOHN RICHARD)6 LANASA (GIACOMO5,
MATTEO4, MARIANO3, MATTEO2, MARIANO1) was born Abt.
1884 in Cefalu, Sicily, Italy.  He married EDNA
MITCHELL FONT 04 Sep 1907 in New Orleans, La.,
daughter of SALVATORE FONT and CATHERINE MITCHELL. 
She was born Abt. 1884 in New Orleans, LA, and died 30
Sep 1961.
	
Children of GIOVANNI LANASA and EDNA FONT are:
22.	i.	MATTHEW J.7 LANASA, d. 13 Oct 1993, Baton
Rouge, Louisiana.
	ii.	EDNA L. LANASA, m. HAROLD WHITE.
23.	iii.	JAMES J. LANASA, SR., b. New Orleans, LA; d.
18 Dec 1995, Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
24.	iv.	ZINA LANASA, b. Abt. 1911, New Orleans, LA; d.
Oct 1999, New Orleans, LA.


Generation No. 7

19.  GLORIA7 LANASA (ANTONINO V.6, MARIANO (MARINO)5,
MATTEO4, MARIANO3, MATTEO2, MARIANO1)  She married
JOSEPH MATTHIAS RASPANTI, son of ROSARIO RASPANTI and
GAETAMA BOLOGNA.  He was born 10 May 1924 in New
Orleans, LA, and died 08 Aug 2002 in New Orleans, LA.
	
Children of GLORIA LANASA and JOSEPH RASPANTI are:
	i.	ILEEN8 RASPANTI, m. UNKNOWN CANTRELL.
	ii.	RAY A. RASPANTI.
	iii.	JANINE M. RASPANTI.
	iv.	JOSEPH P. RASPANTI.


20.  PHILIP PAUL7 LANASA (ANTONINO V.6, MARIANO
(MARINO)5, MATTEO4, MARIANO3, MATTEO2, MARIANO1) was
born Abt. 1917 in New Orleans, LA, and died Jul 1997
in Jefferson Parish, La.  He married CATHERINE CREGER,
daughter of WILLIAM CREGER and EDITH FLYNN.  She was
born Abt. 1917 in New Orleans, LA, and died 27 Jul
2005.
	
Children of PHILIP LANASA and CATHERINE CREGER are:
	i.	CATHEY ANN8 LANASA, m. THOMAS KELLY WETZEL.
	ii.	CAROL MAUREEN LANASA.


21.  ZINA7 D'ARRIGO (TERESA6 LANASA, GIACOMO5,
MATTEO4, MARIANO3, MATTEO2, MARIANO1) died Bef. 1952. 
She married GAETANO VINCENZO (CHARLES) MASCARI Abt.
1916.  He was born 21 Jul 1896 in Ustica, Palermo,
Italy, and died 10 Apr 1987 in New Orleans, LA.
	
Child of ZINA D'ARRIGO and GAETANO MASCARI is:
	i.	KATHERINE ZINE8 MASCARI, b. Abt. 1896; m.
FREDERICK ELLIOTT.


22.  MATTHEW J.7 LANASA (GIOVANNI R. (JOHN RICHARD)6,
GIACOMO5, MATTEO4, MARIANO3, MATTEO2, MARIANO1) died
13 Oct 1993 in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
	
Children of MATTHEW J. LANASA are:
	i.	MATTILYN L.8 LANASA, m. UNKNOWN FRASER.
	ii.	HAZEL GAY LANASA.
	iii.	JOHN R. LANASA II.


23.  JAMES J.7 LANASA, SR. (GIOVANNI R. (JOHN
RICHARD)6, GIACOMO5, MATTEO4, MARIANO3, MATTEO2,
MARIANO1) was born in New Orleans, LA, and died 18 Dec
1995 in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.  He married EMALIE
MCNAIR.  
	
Children of JAMES LANASA and EMALIE MCNAIR are:
	i.	JAMES J.8 LANASA, JR..
	ii.	JEAN F. LANASA.


24.  ZINA7 LANASA (GIOVANNI R. (JOHN RICHARD)6,
GIACOMO5, MATTEO4, MARIANO3, MATTEO2, MARIANO1) was
born Abt. 1911 in New Orleans, LA, and died Oct 1999
in New Orleans, LA.  She married CLAUDE ECCLES.  
	
Children of ZINA LANASA and CLAUDE ECCLES are:
	i.	LILLIAN8 ECCLES, m. UNKNOWN NUGENT.
	ii.	CLAUDETTE ECCLES, m. UNKNOWN ROBERTS.







From nellie at woh.rr.com  Mon Oct 23 02:59:05 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:59:05 -0400
Subject: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?
References: <20061022195117.71276.qmail@web36212.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801c6f636$0ece5d30$6501a8c0@momshp>

Guiseppe Battaglia, wife Vincenza Franze born 22 Aug 1845.  Son Cosimo 
Battaglia b 1865 died 14 Apr 1961, Chicago.
Cosimo married Providenza "Freda" Delisi 26 Jan 1899.  They show as Battagia 
in the 1920 census.

Maria Battaglia b 8 Sep 1853.  Married Vincenzo Lamantia 9 Jan 1876.
Maria's parents were Ignazio Salvatore Battaglia and Providenza Lanzarotta.
her siblings were Antonina, Antonino, Rosa, Salvatore.

Ignazio's parents were Salvatore Battaglia and Rosa Cira.  He had a brother 
Antonino. 





From gotto at ameritech.net  Mon Oct 23 04:28:09 2006
From: gotto at ameritech.net (Gloria Otto)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:28:09 -0500
Subject: [TI] Descendants of Antonino Dilisi   - Lafourche Parish,
	Louisiana -  Calcagno Genealogy
In-Reply-To: <20061022143443.92785.qmail@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000101c6f642$80123870$138afea9@D37FZK21>

Larie, the Calcagno's in the family photo resemble my Dad's half sister,
Josephine Calcagno. Her father was Giuseppe Calcagno. All I know about him
is in the marriage record-Giuseppe Calcagno married Teresa Scolaro Feb 04,
1888 in TI. He died the same year before their first child was born. He was
kicked in the head by a mule. Teresa was b: Sep 05, 1867 in TI d: Mar 06,
1946 in Toronto, Ohio Father: Salvatore Scolaro Mother: Rosaria Scolaro
2014483 62 Matrimonio. Teresa was my grandmother. Thanks so much for
posting. 

Gloria

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Larie
Tedesco
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 8:35 AM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi - Lafourche Parish,Louisiana
- Calcagno Genealogy

Dilisi is not a direct line to me but is connected to
the Calcagno's from Termini which is in our family
through many many marriages in the tree in New
Orleans.
I do have a few pictures of Calcagno's because I am in
touch with family.  Some pictures
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/180881222XqCwiS. 
Below is the first four generations.  If you would
like the genealogy report with notes I will send you
offline.  

Larie


     This is the connection

1. Salvadore Calcagno died before 1843 and Gaetana
Buttone died before 1843

2. Girolamo Calcagno born about 1820 Palermo, Sicily
died December 22, 1860 married Francesca Vitale born
1820 Termini Imerese

***3. Maria Anna Calcagno born 1845 Termini married
1870 Termini Michele LoPinto born Italy

4. Lucia LoPinto abt 1873 Italy died 1931 Lafourche
Parish, Louisiana married Guiseppe Dilisi 1887 Termini
born bet. 1863-1866 Italy


Descendants of Girolamo Calcagno


Generation No. 1

1.  GIROLAMO2 CALCAGNO  (SALVADORE1) was born Abt.
1820 in Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died 22 Dec 1860
in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He
married FRANCESCA VITALE 20 Jan 1843 in Termini
Imerese , Palermo, Sicily, Italy, daughter of ONOFRIO
VITALE.  She was born 06 Nov 1820 in Termini Imerese,
Palermo,  Sicily, Italy.
	
Children of GIROLAMO CALCAGNO and FRANCESCA VITALE
are:
2.	i.	MICHELE ONOFRIO3 CALCAGNO.
3.	ii.	FRANCESCO SALVADORE CALCAGNO, b. 03 Dec 1843,
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
4.	iii.	MARIA ANNA CALCAGNO, b. 26 Jul 1845, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. Aft. 1910.
	iv.	GAETANA CALCAGNO, b. 11 Mar 1851, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 23 Apr 1866,
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
5.	v.	ONOFRIO CALCAGNO, b. 03 Oct 1852, Termini
Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily, Italy; d. 07 Jun 1924, New
Orleans, LA.
6.	vi.	BENEDETTA CALCAGNO, b. 18 Jun 1855, Termini
Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily, Italy.
7.	vii.	LEONARDO CALCAGNO, b. 19 Feb 1858, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 05 Jan 1949, New
Orleans, LA.


Generation No. 2

2.  MICHELE ONOFRIO3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) 
He married DIEGA CORSO 07 Jan 1873 in Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy, daughter of GIUSEPPE CORSO and
VINZENZA BRUGNONE.  She was born 09 Dec 1850 in
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	
Children of MICHELE CALCAGNO and DIEGA CORSO are:
	i.	GIROLAMO4 CALCAGNO, m. IGNAZIA RUSSO, 12 Nov 1900,
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	ii.	GIUSEPPE CALCAGNO, m. BENEDETTA DILISI, 07 Mar
1906, Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	iii.	VINCENZA CALCAGNO, m. MICHELE CORRARO, 13 Nov
1893, Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	iv.	FRANCESCA CALCAGNO, m. SAVERIO LUPO, 26 Aug 1890,
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.


3.  FRANCESCO SALVADORE3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born 03 Dec 1843 in Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married LIBORIA LOPINTO 16
Nov 1870 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy,
daughter of GIUSEPPE LOPINTO and LUCIA RIZZO.  She was
born in Italy.
	
Children of FRANCESCO CALCAGNO and LIBORIA LOPINTO
are:
	i.	FRANCESCA4 CALCAGNO, m. MICHELE CANNATELLA, 15 Jul
1886, Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
8.	ii.	GIROLAMO CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1870, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 03 Jun 1941, New
Orleans, LA.


4.  MARIA ANNA3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was
born 26 Jul 1845 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily,
Italy, and died Aft. 1910.  She married MICHELE
LOPINTO 16 Nov 1870 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
Sicily, Italy, son of GIUSEPPE LOPINTO and LUCIA
RIZZO.  He was born in Italy, and died Bef. 1910.
	
Child of MARIA CALCAGNO and MICHELE LOPINTO is:
9.	i.	LUCIA (LUCILLE)4 LOPINTO, b. Abt. 1873, Italy;
d. 22 Sep 1931, Lafourche Parish, La..


5.  ONOFRIO3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born
03 Oct 1852 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily,
Italy, and died 07 Jun 1924 in New Orleans, LA.  He
married (1) MARIA ROSA SALVO 04 Mar 1876 in Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, daughter of COSIMO
SALVO and PROVVIDENZA BATTAGLIA.  She was born 06 Feb
1858 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and
died 30 Aug 1896 in New Orleans, LA.  He married (2)
COSIMA (JOSEPHINE?) SALVO 04 Jun 1907 in New Orleans,
La., daughter of COSIMO SALVO and PROVVIDENZA
BATTAGLIA.  She was born 16 Mar 1860 in Termini
Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily, Italy, and died 02 Jul 1938
in New Orleans, LA.
	
Children of ONOFRIO CALCAGNO and MARIA SALVO are:
	i.	LEONARD4 CALCAGNO.
10.	ii.	GEROME CALCAGNO, b. 08 Dec 1876, Palermo,
Italy ?; d. 21 Jul 1952, New Orleans, LA.
11.	iii.	FRANCESCA CALCAGNO, b. 1879, Palermo, Sicily,
Italy; d. 1953.
12.	iv.	PROVVIDENZA CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1881, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 18 Jan 1950, New
Orleans, LA.
13.	v.	GIUSEPPE CALCAGNO, b. 02 Nov 1883, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily Italy; d. 17 Feb 1965,
Dallas, Texas.
14.	vi.	GAETANA (LORETTA) CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1891, New
Orleans, LA; d. 21 Apr 1964.
15.	vii.	SALVATORE CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1893, New
Orleans, LA; d. Bef. 1950.


6.  BENEDETTA3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was
born 18 Jun 1855 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily,
Italy.  She married VINCENZO DILISI 10 Dec 1877 in
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, son of
VINCENZO DILISI and MICHELA D'ANGELO.  
	
Children of BENEDETTA CALCAGNO and VINCENZO DILISI
are:
	i.	FRANCESCA4 DILISI, m. SALVATORE RACCUGLIA, 05 Apr
1902, Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; b.
Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	ii.	BENEDETTA DILISI, m. GIUSEPPE CALCAGNO, 07 Mar
1906, Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.


7.  LEONARDO3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was
born 19 Feb 1858 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily,
Italy, and died 05 Jan 1949 in New Orleans, LA.  He
married (1) FRANCES QUATTROCCHI 23 Feb 1899 in Orleans
Parish, LA.  She was born 26 Feb 1857 in Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died 07 Jan 1916
in New Orleans, LA.  He married (2) COSIMA
(JOSEPHINE?) SALVO Aft. 1917, daughter of COSIMO SALVO
and PROVVIDENZA BATTAGLIA.  She was born 16 Mar 1860
in Termini Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily, Italy, and died
02 Jul 1938 in New Orleans, LA.
	
Children of LEONARDO CALCAGNO and FRANCES QUATTROCCHI
are:
	i.	SALVADORE4 CALCAGNO.
16.	ii.	ANNIE CALCAGNO, d. Bef. 2003.
17.	iii.	JAMES A CALCAGNO, SR, b. 22 Feb 1890, New
Orleans, LA; d. 04 Feb 1956, New Orleans, LA.
18.	iv.	FRANCESCA CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1891, Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. Bef. 2004.
19.	v.	JOSEPH P. CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1895, New Orleans,
LA; d. 29 May 1967, New Orleans, LA.
20.	vi.	JOSEPHINE CALCAGNO, b. 03 Dec 1895, New
Orleans, LA; d. 01 Aug 1925, New Orleans, LA.


Generation No. 3

8.  GIROLAMO4 CALCAGNO (FRANCESCO SALVADORE3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1870 in Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died 03 Jun 1941
in New Orleans, LA.  He married CARMELA CAMINITA 30
Jul 1893 in New Orleans, La., daughter of NICOLO
CAMINITA and S. LAROSA.  She was born Abt. 1878 in
Louisiana.
	
Children of GIROLAMO CALCAGNO and CARMELA CAMINITA
are:
	i.	LIBORIA (LAURA)5 CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1895,
Louisiana; d. Bef. 1971; m. IGNAZIO MODICA, 04 Sep
1912, New Orleans, La..
	ii.	ROSIE CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1897, Louisiana; m.
UNKNOWN GUIRIANTANO.
	iii.	SALVADORE CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1898, Louisiana.
21.	iv.	NICHOLAS C. CALCAGNO, b. 16 Sep 1900, New
Orleans, LA; d. 07 Apr 1971.
22.	v.	JOSEPH J. CALCAGNO, b. 18 Jan 1903, New
Orleans, LA; d. 20 Jul 1963.


9.  LUCIA (LUCILLE)4 LOPINTO (MARIA ANNA3 CALCAGNO,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1873 in Italy,
and died 22 Sep 1931 in Lafourche Parish, La..  She
married GIUSEPPE DELISE 18 Apr 1887 in Termini
Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, son of SALVATORE
DILISI and FILIPPA PASSAFIUME.  He was born Bet. 1863
- 1866 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
	
Children of LUCIA LOPINTO and GIUSEPPE DELISE are:
	i.	MICHELE5 DELISE, b. 01 Dec 1890, New Orleans, LA.
	ii.	GIUSEPPINA DELISE, b. 01 Apr 1895, New Orleans,
LA.
	iii.	INEZ DELISE, b. Abt. 1896, Police Jury Ward 3,
Lafourche, La.
	iv.	ANTHONY DELISE, b. Abt. 1897, Louisiana; d. 28
Jul 1942, Louisiana.
	v.	ANNA DELISE, b. Abt. 1898, Police Jury Ward 3,
Lafourche, La.
	vi.	LAURA DELISE, b. Abt. 1902, Police Jury Ward 3,
Lafourche, La.
23.	vii.	ARGENTINA DELISE, b. Abt. 1904, Police Jury
Ward 3, Lafourche, La; d. May 1943, New Orleans, LA.
	viii.	UNKNOWN DELISE, b. Abt. 1907, Police Jury Ward
3, Lafourche, La.
	ix.	FRANCIS DELISE, b. Abt. 1909, Louisiana.
	x.	ROSIE DELISE, b. Abt. 1912, Louisiana.


10.  GEROME4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born 08 Dec 1876 in Palermo, Italy ?,
and died 21 Jul 1952 in New Orleans, LA.  He married
ANNA CORSO* 06 Apr 1902 in New Orleans, La., daughter
of ANTONINO CORSO and AGOSTINA FORMUSA.  She was born
30 Nov 1884 in New Orleans, LA, and died 06 Sep 1986.
	
Children of GEROME CALCAGNO and ANNA CORSO* are:
	i.	ERNEST5 CALCAGNO, d. Bef. 1995.
	ii.	JOSEPH CALCAGNO, d. Bef. Jan 2006.
	iii.	JULIUS CALCAGNO.
24.	iv.	SYLVIA CALCAGNO.
25.	v.	ROSE MARY CALCAGNO*, b. 01 Apr 1903, New
Orleans, LA; d. 13 May 1995, New Orleans, LA.
26.	vi.	ANTHONY B. CALCAGNO, b. 12 Apr 1905, New
Orleans, LA; d. 16 Mar 1996.
	vii.	AUGUSTINE R. CALCAGNO, b. 22 May 1907, New
Orleans, LA; d. 03 Jan 2006.


11.  FRANCESCA4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born 1879 in Palermo, Sicily, Italy,
and died 1953.  She married GIUSEPPE DILIBERTO 28 Apr
1895 in New Orleans, La., son of BERNARDO DILIBERTO
and ANGELINA SALVAGIO.  He was born Abt. 1873, and
died Bef. 1972.
	
Children of FRANCESCA CALCAGNO and GIUSEPPE DILIBERTO
are:
	i.	BERNARDO J.5 DILIBERTO, b. 26 Mar 1896, New
Orleans, LA; d. 13 Oct 1966, Biloxi, Mississippi ?.
	ii.	ANGELINA DILIBERTO, b. 16 Jul 1898, New Orleans,
LA; d. 16 Jan 1989, Biloxi, Harrison County, 
Mississippi; m. EMILLO JOSEPH FALLO, SR, 20 Oct 1920,
New Orleans, La.; b. 05 Jul 1898, New Orleans, LA; d.
27 Aug 1973, Biloxi, Harrison County,  Mississippi.
	iii.	ONOFRIO DILIBERTO, b. 24 Feb 1899, New Orleans,
LA.
27.	iv.	ROSE DILIBERTO, b. Abt. 1901; d. 20 Nov 1944.


12.  PROVVIDENZA4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1881 in Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died 18 Jan 1950 in New
Orleans, LA.  She married GUISEPPE GUARDALABENE 24 Apr
1904 in New Orleans, La., son of ANTONINO GUARDALABENE
and ANNA AGLIERI-RINELLA.  He was born Abt. 1877 in
Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died 15
Jul 1956 in New Orleans, LA.
	
Children of PROVVIDENZA CALCAGNO and GUISEPPE
GUARDALABENE are:
	i.	UNKNOWN5 GUARDALABENE, m. I. B. ARRIGO.
	ii.	ANTHONY J. GUARDALABENE, b. Abt. 1906.
	iii.	ROSE GUARDALABENE, b. Abt. 1912; d. Bef. 1950;
m. UNKNOWN THERIOT.


13.  GIUSEPPE4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born 02 Nov 1883 in Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily Italy, and died 17 Feb 1965 in Dallas,
Texas.  He married ROSINA GRISAFFI 27 Oct 1909 in New
Orleans, La., daughter of BASILE GRISAFFI and MARIA
CULMONE.  She was born 25 Nov 1883 in New Orleans, LA 
 (Gretna), and died 07 Feb 1964 in Dallas, Texas.
	
Children of GIUSEPPE CALCAGNO and ROSINA GRISAFFI are:
	i.	BRAZIL A.5 CALCAGNO, d. 24 Feb 1945, Iwo Jima.
	ii.	ERNEST CALCAGNO, b. 27 Jan 1910, Beaumont, Texas;
d. Mar 1952, Houston, Texas; m. IRENE WARREN.
	iii.	ROSE MARY CALCAGNO, b. 1914; d. 1992.
	iv.	MARY RITA CALCAGNO, b. 1916; d. 1997; m. CARL H
STOVALL.


14.  GAETANA (LORETTA)4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1891 in New Orleans, LA, and
died 21 Apr 1964.  She married FRANCESCO J. DILIBERTO
28 Apr 1909 in New Orleans, La., son of BERNARDO
DILIBERTO and ANGELINA SALVAGIO.  He was born Abt.
1884 in ?, Italy, and died Bef. 1964.
	
Children of GAETANA CALCAGNO and FRANCESCO DILIBERTO
are:
	i.	UNKNOWN5 DILIBERTO, m. A. LACIURA.
	ii.	UNKNOWN DILIBERTO, m. JOSEPH D'ARCANGELO.


15.  SALVATORE4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1893 in New Orleans, LA, and
died Bef. 1950.  He married FLORENCE GRILLETTO 10 Jun
1914 in New Orleans, La., daughter of STEFAN GRILLETTO
and MARIA CARFASI.  She was born Abt. 1893 in St.
Guiseppe?, Italy, and died Bef. 1995.
	
Children of SALVATORE CALCAGNO and FLORENCE GRILLETTO
are:
	i.	NORFIER (SALVADORE)5 CALCAGNO, d. Bef. 1995.
28.	ii.	ROSE CALCAGNO, d. Bef. 1995.
	iii.	ANNIE CALCAGNO, d. Bef. 1995; m. UNKNOWN
GUZZARDI.
29.	iv.	MARY ROSE CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1920, Gretna,
Louisiana; d. 14 Jan 1995.
30.	v.	FRANCES CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1922, Gretna, LA; d.
25 Oct 2005, Marrero, LA.
31.	vi.	LENA B. CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1928, New Orleans,
LA; d. 22 Jun 1967.


16.  ANNIE4 CALCAGNO (LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) died Bef. 2003.  She married ADOLPH S.
INDOVINA in Adolph's second marriage, son of ANTONINO
INDOVINA and MARGHARITA MESSINEO.  He was born 1892 in
New Orleans, LA, and died 22 Aug 1953 in New Orleans,
LA.
	
Children of ANNIE CALCAGNO and ADOLPH INDOVINA are:
	i.	ADOLPH5 INDOVINA, JR.
	ii.	LEON INDOVINA.
	iii.	FRANCES INDOVINA, d. Bef. 2003; m. UNKNOWN
SCHOLL.
32.	iv.	MARGUERITE INDOVINA, b. 26 Feb 1916, New
Orleans, LA; d. 21 Oct 2003.


17.  JAMES A4 CALCAGNO, SR (LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born 22 Feb 1890 in New Orleans, LA,
and died 04 Feb 1956 in New Orleans, LA.  He married
BERTHA FELICIA ADAM, daughter of BERTHOD ADAM and
EURINA TERREBONNE.  She was born 01 Feb 1904, and died
06 Jul 1978.
	
Children of JAMES CALCAGNO and BERTHA ADAM are:
33.	i.	LEONARD A5 CALCAGNO, b. 09 Apr 1922, New
Orleans, LA; d. 06 Sep 1972, Jefferson Parish,
Louisiana.
	ii.	JAMES ANTHONY CALCAGNO, JR, b. 11 Jan 1925; d. 10
Apr 1977.


18.  FRANCESCA4 CALCAGNO (LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1891 in Termini Imerese,
Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died Bef. 2004.  She
married ANTONINO MUSACCHIA 03 Jun 1914 in New Orleans,
La., son of GIUSEPPE MUSACCHIA and ANTONINA TERRANOVA.
 He was born Abt. 1882 in Contessa Entellina, Sicily,
Italy, and died Bef. 2004.
	
Children of FRANCESCA CALCAGNO and ANTONINO MUSACCHIA
are:
	i.	JOSEPH L5 MUSACCHIA, d. Bef. Jun 2003.
	ii.	ANTOINETTE F. MUSACCHIA, b. 15 Mar 1915, New
Orleans, LA; d. 04 Jun 2003, Jefferson Parish,
Louisiana.
34.	iii.	LEON S. MUSACCHIA, b. 27 Jun 1919; d. 15 Oct
2004.


19.  JOSEPH P.4 CALCAGNO (LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1895 in New Orleans, LA, and
died 29 May 1967 in New Orleans, LA.
	
Children of JOSEPH P. CALCAGNO are:
	i.	UNKNOWN5 CALCAGNO, m. ADAM DELATTE.
	ii.	JOSEPH D CALCAGNO.


20.  JOSEPHINE4 CALCAGNO (LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) was born 03 Dec 1895 in New Orleans, LA,
and died 01 Aug 1925 in New Orleans, LA.  She married
ADOLPH S. INDOVINA 21 Oct 1914 in New Orleans, La.,
son of ANTONINO INDOVINA and MARGHARITA MESSINEO.  He
was born 1892 in New Orleans, LA, and died 22 Aug 1953
in New Orleans, LA.
	
Children of JOSEPHINE CALCAGNO and ADOLPH INDOVINA
are:
	i.	ADOLPH5 S.INDOVINA, JR.
	ii.	LEON INDOVINA.
	iii.	UNKNOWN INDOVINA, m. L. E. REILING.
	iv.	FRANCES INDOVINA, d. Feb 2001; m. W. T. SCHOLL.


Generation No. 4

21.  NICHOLAS C.5 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO4, FRANCESCO
SALVADORE3, GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 16 Sep
1900 in New Orleans, LA, and died 07 Apr 1971.  He
married MARY THERESA (MAE) NAVO.  She died Bef. 2005.
	
Child of NICHOLAS CALCAGNO and MARY NAVO is:
	i.	JEROME SALVATOR6 CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1924; d. 22 Aug
2005.


22.  JOSEPH J.5 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO4, FRANCESCO
SALVADORE3, GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 18 Jan
1903 in New Orleans, LA, and died 20 Jul 1963.  He
married FRANCIS DELISE.  
	
Child of JOSEPH CALCAGNO and FRANCIS DELISE is:
	i.	JEROME J6 CALCAGNO.


23.  ARGENTINA5 DELISE (LUCIA (LUCILLE)4 LOPINTO,
MARIA ANNA3 CALCAGNO, GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born
Abt. 1904 in Police Jury Ward 3, Lafourche, La, and
died May 1943 in New Orleans, LA.  She married NORBERT
CHABERT.  
	
Children of ARGENTINA DELISE and NORBERT CHABERT are:
	i.	LUCY6 CHABERT, m. MILTON LEAYCRAFT.
	ii.	LEONARD JOSEPH CHABERT, b. Abt. 1933, Cutoff,
Louisiana; d. 26 Sep 1991, Louisiana; m. VIONA
LAPEYROUSE.


24.  SYLVIA5 CALCAGNO (GEROME4, ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1)  She married JACOB J MARCHESE.  
	
Children of SYLVIA CALCAGNO and JACOB MARCHESE are:
	i.	PHILIP6 MARCHESE.
	ii.	GERALD JEROME MARCHESE, b. Abt. 1948; d. 25 Apr
2000, Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; m. PATRICIA KAUPP.


25.  ROSE MARY5 CALCAGNO* (GEROME4 CALCAGNO, ONOFRIO3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 01 Apr 1903 in New
Orleans, LA, and died 13 May 1995 in New Orleans, LA. 
She married VINCENT JOSEPH GIARDINA, son of JOSEPH
GIARDINA and LENA GRIPPE.  He was born 03 Apr 1902 in
Harvey, Louisiana, and died 29 Mar 1959.
	
Children of ROSE CALCAGNO* and VINCENT GIARDINA are:
	i.	LENA MAY6 GIARDINA.
	ii.	MELANIE D GIARDINA, m. JOSEPH DEMPSEY.
	iii.	SYLVIA GIARDINA, m. UNKNOWN BREAUX.
	iv.	VINCENT J GIARDINA, JR.
	v.	PHYLLIS A GIARDINA, m. EDWIN MITTS.
	vi.	JOSEPH R GIARDINA.
	vii.	DIANE M GIARDINA.
	viii.	JEROME GIARDINA.
	ix.	ANNA RITA GIARDINA, b. 04 Jan 1929, New Orleans,
LA; d. 27 Jul 2001; m. DARWAYNE COBURN.


26.  ANTHONY B.5 CALCAGNO (GEROME4, ONOFRIO3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 12 Apr 1905 in New
Orleans, LA, and died 16 Mar 1996.  He married (1)
ADELE JOSEPHINE ABADIE in lst marriage, daughter of
THEODORE ABADIE and ADELE LARTIGUE.  She was born Abt.
1910, and died 02 Mar 1962.  He married (2) PAULINE
MASCARI Abt. 1936 in 2nd marriage, daughter of FRANK
MASCARI and MARGUERITE BARRACO.  She was born 26 Jun
1916 in New Orleans, LA, and died 18 Mar 2000.
	
Children of ANTHONY CALCAGNO and ADELE ABADIE are:
	i.	MARIE ADELE6 CALCAGNO.
	ii.	ANTHONY B. CALCAGNO, JR, m. JUNE UNKNOWN.


27.  ROSE5 DILIBERTO (FRANCESCA4 CALCAGNO, ONOFRIO3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1901, and died 20
Nov 1944.  She married CARMELO (EMILE) RUSSO in
Marriage 1, son of SALVATORE RUSSO and OLIVIA FALLO. 
He was born 29 Apr 1901 in New Orleans, LA, and died
16 Apr 2002 in Metairie, Louisiana.
	
Children of ROSE DILIBERTO and CARMELO RUSSO are:
	i.	JOSEPH6 RUSSO, d. Bef. 2002.
	ii.	SALVATORE RUSSO.


28.  ROSE5 CALCAGNO (SALVATORE4, ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
SALVADORE1) died Bef. 1995.  She married ALWYN
CHAMPAGNE.  He died Bef. 2006.
	
Child of ROSE CALCAGNO and ALWYN CHAMPAGNE is:
	i.	RICHARD ALWYN6 CHAMPAGNE, b. 1946, New Orleans,
LA; d. 21 Aug 2006; m. MARIA UNKNOWN.


29.  MARY ROSE5 CALCAGNO (SALVATORE4, ONOFRIO3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1920 in Gretna,
Louisiana, and died 14 Jan 1995.  She married PHILIP
P.BOURGEOIS, JR.  He died Bef. 1995.
	
Children of MARY CALCAGNO and PHILIP P.BOURGEOIS are:
	i.	LINDA6 BOURGEOIS, m. UNKNOWN COMEAUX.
	ii.	MARGARIE BOURGEOIS, m. UNKNOWN BROOME.
	iii.	ADRIAN BOURGEOIS, d. Bef. 1995.


30.  FRANCES5 CALCAGNO (SALVATORE4, ONOFRIO3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1922 in Gretna,
LA, and died 25 Oct 2005 in Marrero, LA.  She married
WILLIAM (MIKE) F. HUGHES.  He died Bef. 2005.
	
Children of FRANCES CALCAGNO and WILLIAM HUGHES are:
	i.	JUDY6 HUGHES, m. UNKNOWN BLANCHARD.
	ii.	CAROL HUGHES, m. UNKNOWN GILCHRIST.
	iii.	MARIE HUGHES, m. UNKNOWN HINCHEY.


31.  LENA B.5 CALCAGNO (SALVATORE4, ONOFRIO3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1928 in New
Orleans, LA, and died 22 Jun 1967.  She married THOMAS
J. FONTI.  
	
Child of LENA CALCAGNO and THOMAS FONTI is:
	i.	DORA ANN6 FONTI.


32.  MARGUERITE5 INDOVINA (ANNIE4 CALCAGNO, LEONARDO3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 26 Feb 1916 in New
Orleans, LA, and died 21 Oct 2003.  She married LOUIS
E. REILING.  He died Bef. 2003.
	
Children of MARGUERITE INDOVINA and LOUIS REILING are:
	i.	BARBARA6 REILING, m. UNKNOWN CLARK.
	ii.	JANICE REILING, m. UNKNOWN SCLAFANI.


33.  LEONARD A5 CALCAGNO (JAMES A4, LEONARDO3,
GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 09 Apr 1922 in New
Orleans, LA, and died 06 Sep 1972 in Jefferson Parish,
Louisiana.  He married MARGUARITE VICTORIA AMATO 02
Aug 1940 in New Orleans, La., daughter of JOSEPH AMATO
and LENA MANCUSO.  She was born 23 Mar 1923, and died
14 Jul 2002.
	
Children of LEONARD CALCAGNO and MARGUARITE AMATO are:
	i.	LEONARD A.6 CALCAGNO, JR.
	ii.	CAROLE CALCAGNO, m. (1) UNKNOWN GARLEPIED; m. (2)
UNKNOWN WALLACE.
	iii.	LYNN ANN CALCAGNO, b. 20 Feb 1943, New Orleans,
LA; d. 07 Nov 1997, Metairie, Louisiana; m. RONALD
SCALLAN.


34.  LEON S.5 MUSACCHIA (FRANCESCA4 CALCAGNO,
LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 27 Jun
1919, and died 15 Oct 2004.  He married DORN UNKNOWN. 

	
Child of LEON MUSACCHIA and DORN UNKNOWN is:
	i.	FRANCIS A6 MUSACCHIA.






--- nell lamantia <nellie at woh.rr.com> wrote:

> After checking the database on Laura's suggestion, I
> find that the 
> Delisi/Dilisi line that I am researching is indeed
> the descendants of 
> Antonino Dilisi and Saveria Cira.
> 

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From ltedesco26 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 23 04:49:24 2006
From: ltedesco26 at yahoo.com (Larie Tedesco)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:49:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Giuffre/Sparacino
Message-ID: <20061023014924.66105.qmail@web36215.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I forgot who the  person is that is researching the
Sparacino's in Louisiana.  Could you contact me
offline.  This would be regarding a decendant of
Vincent Giuffre and Angelina Sparacino.

ltedesco26 at yahoo.com

Thanks,
Larie



From nellie at woh.rr.com  Mon Oct 23 18:40:24 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:40:24 -0400
Subject: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi   - Lafourche Parish,
	Louisiana -  Calcagno Genealogy
References: <20061022143443.92785.qmail@web36202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c6f6b9$90403ef0$6501a8c0@momshp>

Loved the pictures.  I am saving your email. The only line where I have kept 
"both ends" of the tree is the Eagle family.  If they are from Tazewell or 
Lee County Va, Ky, Illiois, I can usually figure out how they are related.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larie Tedesco" <ltedesco26 at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi - Lafourche 
Parish,Louisiana - Calcagno Genealogy


> Dilisi is not a direct line to me but is connected to
> the Calcagno's from Termini which is in our family
> through many many marriages in the tree in New
> Orleans.
> I do have a few pictures of Calcagno's because I am in
> touch with family.  Some pictures
> http://good-times.webshots.com/album/180881222XqCwiS.
> Below is the first four generations.  If you would
> like the genealogy report with notes I will send you
> offline.
>
> Larie
>
>
>     This is the connection
>
> 1. Salvadore Calcagno died before 1843 and Gaetana
> Buttone died before 1843
>
> 2. Girolamo Calcagno born about 1820 Palermo, Sicily
> died December 22, 1860 married Francesca Vitale born
> 1820 Termini Imerese
>
> ***3. Maria Anna Calcagno born 1845 Termini married
> 1870 Termini Michele LoPinto born Italy
>
> 4. Lucia LoPinto abt 1873 Italy died 1931 Lafourche
> Parish, Louisiana married Guiseppe Dilisi 1887 Termini
> born bet. 1863-1866 Italy
>
>
> Descendants of Girolamo Calcagno
>
>
> Generation No. 1
>
> 1.  GIROLAMO2 CALCAGNO  (SALVADORE1) was born Abt.
> 1820 in Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died 22 Dec 1860
> in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He
> married FRANCESCA VITALE 20 Jan 1843 in Termini
> Imerese , Palermo, Sicily, Italy, daughter of ONOFRIO
> VITALE.  She was born 06 Nov 1820 in Termini Imerese,
> Palermo,  Sicily, Italy.
>
> Children of GIROLAMO CALCAGNO and FRANCESCA VITALE
> are:
> 2. i. MICHELE ONOFRIO3 CALCAGNO.
> 3. ii. FRANCESCO SALVADORE CALCAGNO, b. 03 Dec 1843,
> Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
> 4. iii. MARIA ANNA CALCAGNO, b. 26 Jul 1845, Termini
> Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. Aft. 1910.
> iv. GAETANA CALCAGNO, b. 11 Mar 1851, Termini
> Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 23 Apr 1866,
> Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
> 5. v. ONOFRIO CALCAGNO, b. 03 Oct 1852, Termini
> Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily, Italy; d. 07 Jun 1924, New
> Orleans, LA.
> 6. vi. BENEDETTA CALCAGNO, b. 18 Jun 1855, Termini
> Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily, Italy.
> 7. vii. LEONARDO CALCAGNO, b. 19 Feb 1858, Termini
> Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 05 Jan 1949, New
> Orleans, LA.
>
>
> Generation No. 2
>
> 2.  MICHELE ONOFRIO3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1)
> He married DIEGA CORSO 07 Jan 1873 in Termini Imerese,
> Palermo, Sicily, Italy, daughter of GIUSEPPE CORSO and
> VINZENZA BRUGNONE.  She was born 09 Dec 1850 in
> Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>
> Children of MICHELE CALCAGNO and DIEGA CORSO are:
> i. GIROLAMO4 CALCAGNO, m. IGNAZIA RUSSO, 12 Nov 1900,
> Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
> ii. GIUSEPPE CALCAGNO, m. BENEDETTA DILISI, 07 Mar
> 1906, Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
> iii. VINCENZA CALCAGNO, m. MICHELE CORRARO, 13 Nov
> 1893, Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
> iv. FRANCESCA CALCAGNO, m. SAVERIO LUPO, 26 Aug 1890,
> Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>
>
> 3.  FRANCESCO SALVADORE3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2,
> SALVADORE1) was born 03 Dec 1843 in Termini Imerese,
> Palermo, Sicily, Italy.  He married LIBORIA LOPINTO 16
> Nov 1870 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy,
> daughter of GIUSEPPE LOPINTO and LUCIA RIZZO.  She was
> born in Italy.
>
> Children of FRANCESCO CALCAGNO and LIBORIA LOPINTO
> are:
> i. FRANCESCA4 CALCAGNO, m. MICHELE CANNATELLA, 15 Jul
> 1886, Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
> 8. ii. GIROLAMO CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1870, Termini
> Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 03 Jun 1941, New
> Orleans, LA.
>
>
> 4.  MARIA ANNA3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was
> born 26 Jul 1845 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily,
> Italy, and died Aft. 1910.  She married MICHELE
> LOPINTO 16 Nov 1870 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,
> Sicily, Italy, son of GIUSEPPE LOPINTO and LUCIA
> RIZZO.  He was born in Italy, and died Bef. 1910.
>
> Child of MARIA CALCAGNO and MICHELE LOPINTO is:
> 9. i. LUCIA (LUCILLE)4 LOPINTO, b. Abt. 1873, Italy;
> d. 22 Sep 1931, Lafourche Parish, La..
>
>
> 5.  ONOFRIO3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born
> 03 Oct 1852 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily,
> Italy, and died 07 Jun 1924 in New Orleans, LA.  He
> married (1) MARIA ROSA SALVO 04 Mar 1876 in Termini
> Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, daughter of COSIMO
> SALVO and PROVVIDENZA BATTAGLIA.  She was born 06 Feb
> 1858 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and
> died 30 Aug 1896 in New Orleans, LA.  He married (2)
> COSIMA (JOSEPHINE?) SALVO 04 Jun 1907 in New Orleans,
> La., daughter of COSIMO SALVO and PROVVIDENZA
> BATTAGLIA.  She was born 16 Mar 1860 in Termini
> Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily, Italy, and died 02 Jul 1938
> in New Orleans, LA.
>
> Children of ONOFRIO CALCAGNO and MARIA SALVO are:
> i. LEONARD4 CALCAGNO.
> 10. ii. GEROME CALCAGNO, b. 08 Dec 1876, Palermo,
> Italy ?; d. 21 Jul 1952, New Orleans, LA.
> 11. iii. FRANCESCA CALCAGNO, b. 1879, Palermo, Sicily,
> Italy; d. 1953.
> 12. iv. PROVVIDENZA CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1881, Termini
> Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. 18 Jan 1950, New
> Orleans, LA.
> 13. v. GIUSEPPE CALCAGNO, b. 02 Nov 1883, Termini
> Imerese, Palermo, Sicily Italy; d. 17 Feb 1965,
> Dallas, Texas.
> 14. vi. GAETANA (LORETTA) CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1891, New
> Orleans, LA; d. 21 Apr 1964.
> 15. vii. SALVATORE CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1893, New
> Orleans, LA; d. Bef. 1950.
>
>
> 6.  BENEDETTA3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was
> born 18 Jun 1855 in Termini Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily,
> Italy.  She married VINCENZO DILISI 10 Dec 1877 in
> Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, son of
> VINCENZO DILISI and MICHELA D'ANGELO.
>
> Children of BENEDETTA CALCAGNO and VINCENZO DILISI
> are:
> i. FRANCESCA4 DILISI, m. SALVATORE RACCUGLIA, 05 Apr
> 1902, Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; b.
> Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
> ii. BENEDETTA DILISI, m. GIUSEPPE CALCAGNO, 07 Mar
> 1906, Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>
>
> 7.  LEONARDO3 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was
> born 19 Feb 1858 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily,
> Italy, and died 05 Jan 1949 in New Orleans, LA.  He
> married (1) FRANCES QUATTROCCHI 23 Feb 1899 in Orleans
> Parish, LA.  She was born 26 Feb 1857 in Termini
> Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died 07 Jan 1916
> in New Orleans, LA.  He married (2) COSIMA
> (JOSEPHINE?) SALVO Aft. 1917, daughter of COSIMO SALVO
> and PROVVIDENZA BATTAGLIA.  She was born 16 Mar 1860
> in Termini Imerese, Palermo,  Sicily, Italy, and died
> 02 Jul 1938 in New Orleans, LA.
>
> Children of LEONARDO CALCAGNO and FRANCES QUATTROCCHI
> are:
> i. SALVADORE4 CALCAGNO.
> 16. ii. ANNIE CALCAGNO, d. Bef. 2003.
> 17. iii. JAMES A CALCAGNO, SR, b. 22 Feb 1890, New
> Orleans, LA; d. 04 Feb 1956, New Orleans, LA.
> 18. iv. FRANCESCA CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1891, Termini
> Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy; d. Bef. 2004.
> 19. v. JOSEPH P. CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1895, New Orleans,
> LA; d. 29 May 1967, New Orleans, LA.
> 20. vi. JOSEPHINE CALCAGNO, b. 03 Dec 1895, New
> Orleans, LA; d. 01 Aug 1925, New Orleans, LA.
>
>
> Generation No. 3
>
> 8.  GIROLAMO4 CALCAGNO (FRANCESCO SALVADORE3,
> GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1870 in Termini
> Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died 03 Jun 1941
> in New Orleans, LA.  He married CARMELA CAMINITA 30
> Jul 1893 in New Orleans, La., daughter of NICOLO
> CAMINITA and S. LAROSA.  She was born Abt. 1878 in
> Louisiana.
>
> Children of GIROLAMO CALCAGNO and CARMELA CAMINITA
> are:
> i. LIBORIA (LAURA)5 CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1895,
> Louisiana; d. Bef. 1971; m. IGNAZIO MODICA, 04 Sep
> 1912, New Orleans, La..
> ii. ROSIE CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1897, Louisiana; m.
> UNKNOWN GUIRIANTANO.
> iii. SALVADORE CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1898, Louisiana.
> 21. iv. NICHOLAS C. CALCAGNO, b. 16 Sep 1900, New
> Orleans, LA; d. 07 Apr 1971.
> 22. v. JOSEPH J. CALCAGNO, b. 18 Jan 1903, New
> Orleans, LA; d. 20 Jul 1963.
>
>
> 9.  LUCIA (LUCILLE)4 LOPINTO (MARIA ANNA3 CALCAGNO,
> GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1873 in Italy,
> and died 22 Sep 1931 in Lafourche Parish, La..  She
> married GIUSEPPE DELISE 18 Apr 1887 in Termini
> Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, son of SALVATORE
> DILISI and FILIPPA PASSAFIUME.  He was born Bet. 1863
> - 1866 in Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
>
> Children of LUCIA LOPINTO and GIUSEPPE DELISE are:
> i. MICHELE5 DELISE, b. 01 Dec 1890, New Orleans, LA.
> ii. GIUSEPPINA DELISE, b. 01 Apr 1895, New Orleans,
> LA.
> iii. INEZ DELISE, b. Abt. 1896, Police Jury Ward 3,
> Lafourche, La.
> iv. ANTHONY DELISE, b. Abt. 1897, Louisiana; d. 28
> Jul 1942, Louisiana.
> v. ANNA DELISE, b. Abt. 1898, Police Jury Ward 3,
> Lafourche, La.
> vi. LAURA DELISE, b. Abt. 1902, Police Jury Ward 3,
> Lafourche, La.
> 23. vii. ARGENTINA DELISE, b. Abt. 1904, Police Jury
> Ward 3, Lafourche, La; d. May 1943, New Orleans, LA.
> viii. UNKNOWN DELISE, b. Abt. 1907, Police Jury Ward
> 3, Lafourche, La.
> ix. FRANCIS DELISE, b. Abt. 1909, Louisiana.
> x. ROSIE DELISE, b. Abt. 1912, Louisiana.
>
>
> 10.  GEROME4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
> SALVADORE1) was born 08 Dec 1876 in Palermo, Italy ?,
> and died 21 Jul 1952 in New Orleans, LA.  He married
> ANNA CORSO* 06 Apr 1902 in New Orleans, La., daughter
> of ANTONINO CORSO and AGOSTINA FORMUSA.  She was born
> 30 Nov 1884 in New Orleans, LA, and died 06 Sep 1986.
>
> Children of GEROME CALCAGNO and ANNA CORSO* are:
> i. ERNEST5 CALCAGNO, d. Bef. 1995.
> ii. JOSEPH CALCAGNO, d. Bef. Jan 2006.
> iii. JULIUS CALCAGNO.
> 24. iv. SYLVIA CALCAGNO.
> 25. v. ROSE MARY CALCAGNO*, b. 01 Apr 1903, New
> Orleans, LA; d. 13 May 1995, New Orleans, LA.
> 26. vi. ANTHONY B. CALCAGNO, b. 12 Apr 1905, New
> Orleans, LA; d. 16 Mar 1996.
> vii. AUGUSTINE R. CALCAGNO, b. 22 May 1907, New
> Orleans, LA; d. 03 Jan 2006.
>
>
> 11.  FRANCESCA4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
> SALVADORE1) was born 1879 in Palermo, Sicily, Italy,
> and died 1953.  She married GIUSEPPE DILIBERTO 28 Apr
> 1895 in New Orleans, La., son of BERNARDO DILIBERTO
> and ANGELINA SALVAGIO.  He was born Abt. 1873, and
> died Bef. 1972.
>
> Children of FRANCESCA CALCAGNO and GIUSEPPE DILIBERTO
> are:
> i. BERNARDO J.5 DILIBERTO, b. 26 Mar 1896, New
> Orleans, LA; d. 13 Oct 1966, Biloxi, Mississippi ?.
> ii. ANGELINA DILIBERTO, b. 16 Jul 1898, New Orleans,
> LA; d. 16 Jan 1989, Biloxi, Harrison County,
> Mississippi; m. EMILLO JOSEPH FALLO, SR, 20 Oct 1920,
> New Orleans, La.; b. 05 Jul 1898, New Orleans, LA; d.
> 27 Aug 1973, Biloxi, Harrison County,  Mississippi.
> iii. ONOFRIO DILIBERTO, b. 24 Feb 1899, New Orleans,
> LA.
> 27. iv. ROSE DILIBERTO, b. Abt. 1901; d. 20 Nov 1944.
>
>
> 12.  PROVVIDENZA4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
> SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1881 in Termini Imerese,
> Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died 18 Jan 1950 in New
> Orleans, LA.  She married GUISEPPE GUARDALABENE 24 Apr
> 1904 in New Orleans, La., son of ANTONINO GUARDALABENE
> and ANNA AGLIERI-RINELLA.  He was born Abt. 1877 in
> Termini Imerese, Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died 15
> Jul 1956 in New Orleans, LA.
>
> Children of PROVVIDENZA CALCAGNO and GUISEPPE
> GUARDALABENE are:
> i. UNKNOWN5 GUARDALABENE, m. I. B. ARRIGO.
> ii. ANTHONY J. GUARDALABENE, b. Abt. 1906.
> iii. ROSE GUARDALABENE, b. Abt. 1912; d. Bef. 1950;
> m. UNKNOWN THERIOT.
>
>
> 13.  GIUSEPPE4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
> SALVADORE1) was born 02 Nov 1883 in Termini Imerese,
> Palermo, Sicily Italy, and died 17 Feb 1965 in Dallas,
> Texas.  He married ROSINA GRISAFFI 27 Oct 1909 in New
> Orleans, La., daughter of BASILE GRISAFFI and MARIA
> CULMONE.  She was born 25 Nov 1883 in New Orleans, LA
> (Gretna), and died 07 Feb 1964 in Dallas, Texas.
>
> Children of GIUSEPPE CALCAGNO and ROSINA GRISAFFI are:
> i. BRAZIL A.5 CALCAGNO, d. 24 Feb 1945, Iwo Jima.
> ii. ERNEST CALCAGNO, b. 27 Jan 1910, Beaumont, Texas;
> d. Mar 1952, Houston, Texas; m. IRENE WARREN.
> iii. ROSE MARY CALCAGNO, b. 1914; d. 1992.
> iv. MARY RITA CALCAGNO, b. 1916; d. 1997; m. CARL H
> STOVALL.
>
>
> 14.  GAETANA (LORETTA)4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
> SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1891 in New Orleans, LA, and
> died 21 Apr 1964.  She married FRANCESCO J. DILIBERTO
> 28 Apr 1909 in New Orleans, La., son of BERNARDO
> DILIBERTO and ANGELINA SALVAGIO.  He was born Abt.
> 1884 in ?, Italy, and died Bef. 1964.
>
> Children of GAETANA CALCAGNO and FRANCESCO DILIBERTO
> are:
> i. UNKNOWN5 DILIBERTO, m. A. LACIURA.
> ii. UNKNOWN DILIBERTO, m. JOSEPH D'ARCANGELO.
>
>
> 15.  SALVATORE4 CALCAGNO (ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
> SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1893 in New Orleans, LA, and
> died Bef. 1950.  He married FLORENCE GRILLETTO 10 Jun
> 1914 in New Orleans, La., daughter of STEFAN GRILLETTO
> and MARIA CARFASI.  She was born Abt. 1893 in St.
> Guiseppe?, Italy, and died Bef. 1995.
>
> Children of SALVATORE CALCAGNO and FLORENCE GRILLETTO
> are:
> i. NORFIER (SALVADORE)5 CALCAGNO, d. Bef. 1995.
> 28. ii. ROSE CALCAGNO, d. Bef. 1995.
> iii. ANNIE CALCAGNO, d. Bef. 1995; m. UNKNOWN
> GUZZARDI.
> 29. iv. MARY ROSE CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1920, Gretna,
> Louisiana; d. 14 Jan 1995.
> 30. v. FRANCES CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1922, Gretna, LA; d.
> 25 Oct 2005, Marrero, LA.
> 31. vi. LENA B. CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1928, New Orleans,
> LA; d. 22 Jun 1967.
>
>
> 16.  ANNIE4 CALCAGNO (LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2,
> SALVADORE1) died Bef. 2003.  She married ADOLPH S.
> INDOVINA in Adolph's second marriage, son of ANTONINO
> INDOVINA and MARGHARITA MESSINEO.  He was born 1892 in
> New Orleans, LA, and died 22 Aug 1953 in New Orleans,
> LA.
>
> Children of ANNIE CALCAGNO and ADOLPH INDOVINA are:
> i. ADOLPH5 INDOVINA, JR.
> ii. LEON INDOVINA.
> iii. FRANCES INDOVINA, d. Bef. 2003; m. UNKNOWN
> SCHOLL.
> 32. iv. MARGUERITE INDOVINA, b. 26 Feb 1916, New
> Orleans, LA; d. 21 Oct 2003.
>
>
> 17.  JAMES A4 CALCAGNO, SR (LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2,
> SALVADORE1) was born 22 Feb 1890 in New Orleans, LA,
> and died 04 Feb 1956 in New Orleans, LA.  He married
> BERTHA FELICIA ADAM, daughter of BERTHOD ADAM and
> EURINA TERREBONNE.  She was born 01 Feb 1904, and died
> 06 Jul 1978.
>
> Children of JAMES CALCAGNO and BERTHA ADAM are:
> 33. i. LEONARD A5 CALCAGNO, b. 09 Apr 1922, New
> Orleans, LA; d. 06 Sep 1972, Jefferson Parish,
> Louisiana.
> ii. JAMES ANTHONY CALCAGNO, JR, b. 11 Jan 1925; d. 10
> Apr 1977.
>
>
> 18.  FRANCESCA4 CALCAGNO (LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2,
> SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1891 in Termini Imerese,
> Palermo, Sicily, Italy, and died Bef. 2004.  She
> married ANTONINO MUSACCHIA 03 Jun 1914 in New Orleans,
> La., son of GIUSEPPE MUSACCHIA and ANTONINA TERRANOVA.
> He was born Abt. 1882 in Contessa Entellina, Sicily,
> Italy, and died Bef. 2004.
>
> Children of FRANCESCA CALCAGNO and ANTONINO MUSACCHIA
> are:
> i. JOSEPH L5 MUSACCHIA, d. Bef. Jun 2003.
> ii. ANTOINETTE F. MUSACCHIA, b. 15 Mar 1915, New
> Orleans, LA; d. 04 Jun 2003, Jefferson Parish,
> Louisiana.
> 34. iii. LEON S. MUSACCHIA, b. 27 Jun 1919; d. 15 Oct
> 2004.
>
>
> 19.  JOSEPH P.4 CALCAGNO (LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2,
> SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1895 in New Orleans, LA, and
> died 29 May 1967 in New Orleans, LA.
>
> Children of JOSEPH P. CALCAGNO are:
> i. UNKNOWN5 CALCAGNO, m. ADAM DELATTE.
> ii. JOSEPH D CALCAGNO.
>
>
> 20.  JOSEPHINE4 CALCAGNO (LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2,
> SALVADORE1) was born 03 Dec 1895 in New Orleans, LA,
> and died 01 Aug 1925 in New Orleans, LA.  She married
> ADOLPH S. INDOVINA 21 Oct 1914 in New Orleans, La.,
> son of ANTONINO INDOVINA and MARGHARITA MESSINEO.  He
> was born 1892 in New Orleans, LA, and died 22 Aug 1953
> in New Orleans, LA.
>
> Children of JOSEPHINE CALCAGNO and ADOLPH INDOVINA
> are:
> i. ADOLPH5 S.INDOVINA, JR.
> ii. LEON INDOVINA.
> iii. UNKNOWN INDOVINA, m. L. E. REILING.
> iv. FRANCES INDOVINA, d. Feb 2001; m. W. T. SCHOLL.
>
>
> Generation No. 4
>
> 21.  NICHOLAS C.5 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO4, FRANCESCO
> SALVADORE3, GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 16 Sep
> 1900 in New Orleans, LA, and died 07 Apr 1971.  He
> married MARY THERESA (MAE) NAVO.  She died Bef. 2005.
>
> Child of NICHOLAS CALCAGNO and MARY NAVO is:
> i. JEROME SALVATOR6 CALCAGNO, b. Abt. 1924; d. 22 Aug
> 2005.
>
>
> 22.  JOSEPH J.5 CALCAGNO (GIROLAMO4, FRANCESCO
> SALVADORE3, GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 18 Jan
> 1903 in New Orleans, LA, and died 20 Jul 1963.  He
> married FRANCIS DELISE.
>
> Child of JOSEPH CALCAGNO and FRANCIS DELISE is:
> i. JEROME J6 CALCAGNO.
>
>
> 23.  ARGENTINA5 DELISE (LUCIA (LUCILLE)4 LOPINTO,
> MARIA ANNA3 CALCAGNO, GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born
> Abt. 1904 in Police Jury Ward 3, Lafourche, La, and
> died May 1943 in New Orleans, LA.  She married NORBERT
> CHABERT.
>
> Children of ARGENTINA DELISE and NORBERT CHABERT are:
> i. LUCY6 CHABERT, m. MILTON LEAYCRAFT.
> ii. LEONARD JOSEPH CHABERT, b. Abt. 1933, Cutoff,
> Louisiana; d. 26 Sep 1991, Louisiana; m. VIONA
> LAPEYROUSE.
>
>
> 24.  SYLVIA5 CALCAGNO (GEROME4, ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
> SALVADORE1)  She married JACOB J MARCHESE.
>
> Children of SYLVIA CALCAGNO and JACOB MARCHESE are:
> i. PHILIP6 MARCHESE.
> ii. GERALD JEROME MARCHESE, b. Abt. 1948; d. 25 Apr
> 2000, Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; m. PATRICIA KAUPP.
>
>
> 25.  ROSE MARY5 CALCAGNO* (GEROME4 CALCAGNO, ONOFRIO3,
> GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 01 Apr 1903 in New
> Orleans, LA, and died 13 May 1995 in New Orleans, LA.
> She married VINCENT JOSEPH GIARDINA, son of JOSEPH
> GIARDINA and LENA GRIPPE.  He was born 03 Apr 1902 in
> Harvey, Louisiana, and died 29 Mar 1959.
>
> Children of ROSE CALCAGNO* and VINCENT GIARDINA are:
> i. LENA MAY6 GIARDINA.
> ii. MELANIE D GIARDINA, m. JOSEPH DEMPSEY.
> iii. SYLVIA GIARDINA, m. UNKNOWN BREAUX.
> iv. VINCENT J GIARDINA, JR.
> v. PHYLLIS A GIARDINA, m. EDWIN MITTS.
> vi. JOSEPH R GIARDINA.
> vii. DIANE M GIARDINA.
> viii. JEROME GIARDINA.
> ix. ANNA RITA GIARDINA, b. 04 Jan 1929, New Orleans,
> LA; d. 27 Jul 2001; m. DARWAYNE COBURN.
>
>
> 26.  ANTHONY B.5 CALCAGNO (GEROME4, ONOFRIO3,
> GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 12 Apr 1905 in New
> Orleans, LA, and died 16 Mar 1996.  He married (1)
> ADELE JOSEPHINE ABADIE in lst marriage, daughter of
> THEODORE ABADIE and ADELE LARTIGUE.  She was born Abt.
> 1910, and died 02 Mar 1962.  He married (2) PAULINE
> MASCARI Abt. 1936 in 2nd marriage, daughter of FRANK
> MASCARI and MARGUERITE BARRACO.  She was born 26 Jun
> 1916 in New Orleans, LA, and died 18 Mar 2000.
>
> Children of ANTHONY CALCAGNO and ADELE ABADIE are:
> i. MARIE ADELE6 CALCAGNO.
> ii. ANTHONY B. CALCAGNO, JR, m. JUNE UNKNOWN.
>
>
> 27.  ROSE5 DILIBERTO (FRANCESCA4 CALCAGNO, ONOFRIO3,
> GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1901, and died 20
> Nov 1944.  She married CARMELO (EMILE) RUSSO in
> Marriage 1, son of SALVATORE RUSSO and OLIVIA FALLO.
> He was born 29 Apr 1901 in New Orleans, LA, and died
> 16 Apr 2002 in Metairie, Louisiana.
>
> Children of ROSE DILIBERTO and CARMELO RUSSO are:
> i. JOSEPH6 RUSSO, d. Bef. 2002.
> ii. SALVATORE RUSSO.
>
>
> 28.  ROSE5 CALCAGNO (SALVATORE4, ONOFRIO3, GIROLAMO2,
> SALVADORE1) died Bef. 1995.  She married ALWYN
> CHAMPAGNE.  He died Bef. 2006.
>
> Child of ROSE CALCAGNO and ALWYN CHAMPAGNE is:
> i. RICHARD ALWYN6 CHAMPAGNE, b. 1946, New Orleans,
> LA; d. 21 Aug 2006; m. MARIA UNKNOWN.
>
>
> 29.  MARY ROSE5 CALCAGNO (SALVATORE4, ONOFRIO3,
> GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1920 in Gretna,
> Louisiana, and died 14 Jan 1995.  She married PHILIP
> P.BOURGEOIS, JR.  He died Bef. 1995.
>
> Children of MARY CALCAGNO and PHILIP P.BOURGEOIS are:
> i. LINDA6 BOURGEOIS, m. UNKNOWN COMEAUX.
> ii. MARGARIE BOURGEOIS, m. UNKNOWN BROOME.
> iii. ADRIAN BOURGEOIS, d. Bef. 1995.
>
>
> 30.  FRANCES5 CALCAGNO (SALVATORE4, ONOFRIO3,
> GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1922 in Gretna,
> LA, and died 25 Oct 2005 in Marrero, LA.  She married
> WILLIAM (MIKE) F. HUGHES.  He died Bef. 2005.
>
> Children of FRANCES CALCAGNO and WILLIAM HUGHES are:
> i. JUDY6 HUGHES, m. UNKNOWN BLANCHARD.
> ii. CAROL HUGHES, m. UNKNOWN GILCHRIST.
> iii. MARIE HUGHES, m. UNKNOWN HINCHEY.
>
>
> 31.  LENA B.5 CALCAGNO (SALVATORE4, ONOFRIO3,
> GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born Abt. 1928 in New
> Orleans, LA, and died 22 Jun 1967.  She married THOMAS
> J. FONTI.
>
> Child of LENA CALCAGNO and THOMAS FONTI is:
> i. DORA ANN6 FONTI.
>
>
> 32.  MARGUERITE5 INDOVINA (ANNIE4 CALCAGNO, LEONARDO3,
> GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 26 Feb 1916 in New
> Orleans, LA, and died 21 Oct 2003.  She married LOUIS
> E. REILING.  He died Bef. 2003.
>
> Children of MARGUERITE INDOVINA and LOUIS REILING are:
> i. BARBARA6 REILING, m. UNKNOWN CLARK.
> ii. JANICE REILING, m. UNKNOWN SCLAFANI.
>
>
> 33.  LEONARD A5 CALCAGNO (JAMES A4, LEONARDO3,
> GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 09 Apr 1922 in New
> Orleans, LA, and died 06 Sep 1972 in Jefferson Parish,
> Louisiana.  He married MARGUARITE VICTORIA AMATO 02
> Aug 1940 in New Orleans, La., daughter of JOSEPH AMATO
> and LENA MANCUSO.  She was born 23 Mar 1923, and died
> 14 Jul 2002.
>
> Children of LEONARD CALCAGNO and MARGUARITE AMATO are:
> i. LEONARD A.6 CALCAGNO, JR.
> ii. CAROLE CALCAGNO, m. (1) UNKNOWN GARLEPIED; m. (2)
> UNKNOWN WALLACE.
> iii. LYNN ANN CALCAGNO, b. 20 Feb 1943, New Orleans,
> LA; d. 07 Nov 1997, Metairie, Louisiana; m. RONALD
> SCALLAN.
>
>
> 34.  LEON S.5 MUSACCHIA (FRANCESCA4 CALCAGNO,
> LEONARDO3, GIROLAMO2, SALVADORE1) was born 27 Jun
> 1919, and died 15 Oct 2004.  He married DORN UNKNOWN.
>
>
> Child of LEON MUSACCHIA and DORN UNKNOWN is:
> i. FRANCIS A6 MUSACCHIA.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- nell lamantia <nellie at woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> After checking the database on Laura's suggestion, I
>> find that the
>> Delisi/Dilisi line that I am researching is indeed
>> the descendants of
>> Antonino Dilisi and Saveria Cira.
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> 





From graceolivo at comcast.net  Mon Oct 23 22:04:46 2006
From: graceolivo at comcast.net (Grace Olivo)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:04:46 -0400
Subject: [TI] Parma Province, Nov-Dec 2006 Comunes of Italy Magazine
Message-ID: <000201c6f6d6$21d8d310$0201a8c0@XPPro>



The November-December 2006 issue of the Comunes of Italy Magazine is back
from the printer and due to be in the mail to all subscribers in the next
couple of days. This issue features Parma Province in the Emilia Romagna
region. It also has a host of great articles sure to be of interest to all
[index below].  

Anyone interested in more information about the magazine, which is dedicated
to Italian genealogy, is invited to visit our webpage at
http://www.ItalianAncestry.com/coi or drop me an e-mail at
ComunesofItaly at Comcast.Net for more information.

Here's a sneak peek at the index:

...2006 Index

...A Stranger's Love - The 14 year old bride from Avellino, by Marian Licko

...Barletta-Andria-Trani Province

...Brindisi Di Montagna Families

...Catacombe dei Cappuccini by Jenny Floro-Khalaf

...Columbus, and Some Key Lessons of History, by Dominic Candeloro

...I Sepolcri and the Trail of Inspiration by Jenny Floro-Khalaf

...Il Giorno dei Morte - Nov. 2nd 

...New Surnames

...Noepoli, Potenza Province #11 - by Rose Tangredi

...Parma Province - featured province

...Sorenson Molecular Genealogy DNA Project

Grace Lancieri Olivo, GraceOlivo at Comcast.Net
Editor, Comunes of Italy Magazine, ComunesOfItaly at Comcast.Net 
Chair, OSIA CSJ-New Jersey
 http://www.ItalianAncestry.com/coi
http://www.ItalianAncestry.com/tito





From gotto at ameritech.net  Tue Oct 24 06:48:49 2006
From: gotto at ameritech.net (Gloria Otto)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:48:49 -0500
Subject: [TI] RE  Descendants of Antonino Dilisi   - Lafourche Parish,
	Louisiana -  Calcagno Genealogy
Message-ID: <000001c6f71f$510840a0$138afea9@D37FZK21>

-----Original Message--From: Gloria Otto [mailto:gotto at ameritech.net] Sent:
Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:28 PM
 Larie, the Calcagno's in the family photo resemble my Dad's half sister,
Josephine Calcagno. Her father was Giuseppe Calcagno. All I know about him
is in the marriage record-Giuseppe Calcagno married Teresa Scolaro Feb 04,
1888 in TI. He died the same year before their first child was born. He was
kicked in the head by a mule. Teresa was b: Sep 05, 1867 in TI d: Mar 06,
1946 in Toronto, Ohio Father: Salvatore Scolaro Mother: Rosaria Scolaro
2014483 62 Matrimonio. Teresa was my grandmother. Thanks so much for
posting. 

Gloria

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Larie
Tedesco
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 8:35 AM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] Decendants of Antonino Dilisi - Lafourche Parish,Louisiana
- Calcagno Genealogy

Dilisi is not a direct line to me but is connected to
the Calcagno's from Termini which is in our family
through many many marriages in the tree in New
Orleans.
I do have a few pictures of Calcagno's because I am in
touch with family.  Some pictures
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/180881222XqCwiS. 
Below is the first four generations.  If you would
like the genealogy report with notes I will send you
offline.  

Larie








From rgmorris at austin.rr.com  Tue Oct 24 07:17:41 2006
From: rgmorris at austin.rr.com (Rosemary G. Morris)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:17:41 -0500
Subject: [TI] J.P. Graziano Grocery Company
Message-ID: <002b01c6f723$5988a040$9865fea9@HOME7S7OQRMYLB>

Hello All,

Is anyone familiar with J.P. Graziano Grocery Company?

My son, Jason, was in Chicago for a few days visiting a former professor,
the 
NU campus and places he waited tables in Evanston and Chicago.  He was in 
route to Milwaukee to attend a folklore conference where he gave a paper. 

He stayed at a hostel on East Congress.  Returning from breakfast one 
morning, he saw JP Graziano Grocery.  It was closed as it was the weekend. 
The Grocery is a wholesale grocery.  See their webpage link below.

http://www.jpgraziano.com/

Jason returned to the store during the week.  He met one of the sons, Jim
Graziano.   Jim and I exchanged a couple of emails.  His father said he
remembers my Grandfather, Antonio Graziano.  I haven't learned if Jim's
grandparents were from Termini.

Rosemary





From melanie_holtz at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 24 15:04:40 2006
From: melanie_holtz at hotmail.com (Melanie Holtz)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:04:40 +0000
Subject: [TI] Lo Schiavo's in Chicago
Message-ID: <BAY107-F215101E4CF45D5980AC51C92010@phx.gbl>

Some time ago I spoke with someone from this list who had Lo Schiavo 
ancestors that settled in Chicago.  I cannot find my old email to know who 
it was.

We have found a picture of an unknown man in my grandmother's papers labeled 
only "Lo Schiavo, Chicago".  Please contact me if you are the person I spoke 
to or have Lo Schiavo's ancestors that settled in Chicago.  Maybe we can 
work together to identify this picture!

Thanks,

Melanie





From l_coppola at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 25 00:22:02 2006
From: l_coppola at yahoo.com (leonard coppola)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:22:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?
In-Reply-To: <000801c6f636$0ece5d30$6501a8c0@momshp>
Message-ID: <20061024212202.28513.qmail@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Since there are more than 400 entries for Maria
Battaglia's in the TI certificate database, there is a
Maria Battaglia in many of the member's family trees. 
I'll add mine to see if there are any connections to
other members.
Ignazio Coppola b: abt 1797 d: 19Jan1838 married Maria
Battaglia b: abt 1805 d: 26May1835.  They were married
13Jul1829 in TI.  I know of two children, Vincenzo
born unk died 11Jul1854 and Rosaria b: 20Jul1829 d:
unk.  Married Simone DiLisi 18Oct1845 in TI.  9
children born.  Her parents were Salvadore Battaglia
and Maria Filicichia.  His parents were Vincenso
Coppola and Rosaria Pansica.  

Len











From anniegoe at fyi.net  Tue Oct 24 23:46:56 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:46:56 -0400
Subject: [TI] Guccione
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.67$.013e01c6f7ad$8c5632a0$139950ce@DJZBSK81>

I have a picture of a tombstone and Guccione is on it besides my Spadaro 
name.
There are about 10 in the Database.
This is a name I never seen before.  Is it familiar to anyone else.  Reading 
the tombstone I would say they came from Alia??
Ann Riggio 




From ltedesco26 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 25 02:58:13 2006
From: ltedesco26 at yahoo.com (Larie Tedesco)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:58:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] J.P. Graziano Grocery Company
In-Reply-To: <002b01c6f723$5988a040$9865fea9@HOME7S7OQRMYLB>
Message-ID: <20061024235813.33514.qmail@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Here are a few obits for Graziano

 
Chicago Sun-Times (IL) - July 5, 1994
Deceased Name: Fred P. Graziano, 79

Active In Family Business 70 Years
Fred P. Graziano, 79, a Chicago businessman, died
Sunday at home in Franklin Park.

Mr. Graziano's father, J. P. Graziano, founded J.P.
Graziano Grocery Co. on Randolph and Peoria about 70
years ago. The company supplies domestic and imported
Italian foods to restaurants, stores and other
businesses in Chicago and 38 states.

His father and mother, Anna Graziano, had immigrated
to the United States around 1905.

Mr. Graziano was born on the West Side of Chicago. He
began working for his father when he was 9 years old,
and was active in the business until shortly before
his death.

Mr. Graziano was a member of the St. Joseph Society,
made up of Italian immigrants.

Survivors include his wife, Pauline; a daughter, Ann
Lee Pienta; a son, James; a brother, Paul; and five
grandchildren and three great-grandchildren.

Visitation will be from 4 to 9 p.m. today and
Wednesday at Cumberland Funeral Chapels, 8300 W.
Lawrence in Norridge. Mass will be offered at 9:30
a.m. on Thursday at St. Gertrude Church, 9613 Schiller
Blvd., Schiller Park.

Chicago Sun-Times (IL) 
Date: July 5, 1994
Edition: LATE SPORTS FINAL
Page: 46
Record Number: CHI929022

1997-12-24 
Chicago Tribune (IL) 

PAULINE GRAZIANO 



Edition: Chicago Tribune



Pauline Graziano, 82, a longtime Chicago resident and
a homemaker, died Sunday at her home in Franklin Park.
Born in St. Paul, Mrs. Graziano moved to Chicago as a
young child, where she later met her late husband,
Fred, who owned Graziano Grocery Co. Mrs. Graziano was
a member of the St. Joseph Society. Survivors include
a daughter, Ann Lee Pienta; a son, James; three
sisters; five grandchildren; and four
great-grandchildren. Mass will be said at 9:30 a.m.
Wednesday at St. Gertrude Catholic Church, 9613
Schiller Blvd., Franklin Park.



Copyright 1997, Chicago Tribune. For permission to
reprint, contact Chicago Tribune.

Record Number: 19971224OB9712240179 



1968-05-08 
Chicago Tribune (IL) 

James P. Graziano 



Edition: Chicago Tribune



James P. Graziano, 76, of 2658 N. Mason av., founder
of J. P. Graziano Food company of 901 Randolph st.,
died yesterday in Forkosh hospital. In recent years,
Mr. Graziano was associated in business with two sons,
Paul and Frederick. In addition, he leaves his widow,
Anna; five grandchildren; and five
great-grandchildren. Mass will be said at 9:30 a.m.
Friday in St. John Bosco Catholic church, 2250 N.
McVicker av. They will be visitation after 3 p.m.
today in the chapel at 5120 Fullerton av.



Copyright 1968, Chicago Tribune. For permission to
reprint, contact Chicago Tribune.

Record Number: 19680508ob007 





--- "Rosemary G. Morris" <rgmorris at austin.rr.com>
wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> Is anyone familiar with J.P. Graziano Grocery
> Company?
> 
> My son, Jason, was in Chicago for a few days
> visiting a former professor,
> the 
> NU campus and places he waited tables in Evanston
> and Chicago.  He was in 
> route to Milwaukee to attend a folklore conference
> where he gave a paper. 
> 
> He stayed at a hostel on East Congress.  Returning
> from breakfast one 
> morning, he saw JP Graziano Grocery.  It was closed
> as it was the weekend. 
> The Grocery is a wholesale grocery.  See their
> webpage link below.
> 
> http://www.jpgraziano.com/
> 
> Jason returned to the store during the week.  He met
> one of the sons, Jim
> Graziano.   Jim and I exchanged a couple of emails. 
> His father said he
> remembers my Grandfather, Antonio Graziano.  I
> haven't learned if Jim's
> grandparents were from Termini.
> 
> Rosemary
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> 





From rgmorris at austin.rr.com  Wed Oct 25 03:31:33 2006
From: rgmorris at austin.rr.com (Rosemary G. Morris)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:31:33 -0500
Subject: [TI] J.P. Graziano Grocery Company
In-Reply-To: <20061024235813.33514.qmail@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c6f7cc$ef336630$9865fea9@HOME7S7OQRMYLB>

Thank you Larie.

My cousins, Barbara Listug(list member) and Gloria Anzalone, do not know
this family.  We are all interested in talking further with Jim and his
family.  Gloria lives in Rolling Meadows, so hopefully she and Jim will be
able to visit.

Rosemary

Rosemary Graziano Morris
Austin, Texas
Hammond, Louisiana
Researching:
Graziano, Lamonte, Piazza, Misuraca, Cardinale, Varsala



-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Larie
Tedesco
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 6:58 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] J.P. Graziano Grocery Company


Here are a few obits for Graziano

 
Chicago Sun-Times (IL) - July 5, 1994
Deceased Name: Fred P. Graziano, 79

Active In Family Business 70 Years
Fred P. Graziano, 79, a Chicago businessman, died
Sunday at home in Franklin Park.

Mr. Graziano's father, J. P. Graziano, founded J.P.
Graziano Grocery Co. on Randolph and Peoria about 70
years ago. The company supplies domestic and imported
Italian foods to restaurants, stores and other
businesses in Chicago and 38 states.

His father and mother, Anna Graziano, had immigrated
to the United States around 1905.

Mr. Graziano was born on the West Side of Chicago. He
began working for his father when he was 9 years old,
and was active in the business until shortly before
his death.

Mr. Graziano was a member of the St. Joseph Society,
made up of Italian immigrants.

Survivors include his wife, Pauline; a daughter, Ann
Lee Pienta; a son, James; a brother, Paul; and five grandchildren and three
great-grandchildren.

Visitation will be from 4 to 9 p.m. today and
Wednesday at Cumberland Funeral Chapels, 8300 W.
Lawrence in Norridge. Mass will be offered at 9:30
a.m. on Thursday at St. Gertrude Church, 9613 Schiller
Blvd., Schiller Park.

Chicago Sun-Times (IL) 
Date: July 5, 1994
Edition: LATE SPORTS FINAL
Page: 46
Record Number: CHI929022

1997-12-24 
Chicago Tribune (IL) 

PAULINE GRAZIANO 



Edition: Chicago Tribune



Pauline Graziano, 82, a longtime Chicago resident and
a homemaker, died Sunday at her home in Franklin Park.
Born in St. Paul, Mrs. Graziano moved to Chicago as a
young child, where she later met her late husband,
Fred, who owned Graziano Grocery Co. Mrs. Graziano was
a member of the St. Joseph Society. Survivors include
a daughter, Ann Lee Pienta; a son, James; three
sisters; five grandchildren; and four
great-grandchildren. Mass will be said at 9:30 a.m.
Wednesday at St. Gertrude Catholic Church, 9613
Schiller Blvd., Franklin Park.



Copyright 1997, Chicago Tribune. For permission to
reprint, contact Chicago Tribune.

Record Number: 19971224OB9712240179 



1968-05-08 
Chicago Tribune (IL) 

James P. Graziano 



Edition: Chicago Tribune



James P. Graziano, 76, of 2658 N. Mason av., founder
of J. P. Graziano Food company of 901 Randolph st.,
died yesterday in Forkosh hospital. In recent years,
Mr. Graziano was associated in business with two sons,
Paul and Frederick. In addition, he leaves his widow,
Anna; five grandchildren; and five
great-grandchildren. Mass will be said at 9:30 a.m.
Friday in St. John Bosco Catholic church, 2250 N.
McVicker av. They will be visitation after 3 p.m.
today in the chapel at 5120 Fullerton av.



Copyright 1968, Chicago Tribune. For permission to
reprint, contact Chicago Tribune.

Record Number: 19680508ob007 





--- "Rosemary G. Morris" <rgmorris at austin.rr.com>
wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> Is anyone familiar with J.P. Graziano Grocery
> Company?
> 
> My son, Jason, was in Chicago for a few days
> visiting a former professor,
> the
> NU campus and places he waited tables in Evanston
> and Chicago.  He was in 
> route to Milwaukee to attend a folklore conference
> where he gave a paper. 
> 
> He stayed at a hostel on East Congress.  Returning
> from breakfast one
> morning, he saw JP Graziano Grocery.  It was closed
> as it was the weekend. 
> The Grocery is a wholesale grocery.  See their
> webpage link below.
> 
> http://www.jpgraziano.com/
> 
> Jason returned to the store during the week.  He met
> one of the sons, Jim
> Graziano.   Jim and I exchanged a couple of emails. 
> His father said he
> remembers my Grandfather, Antonio Graziano.  I
> haven't learned if Jim's
> grandparents were from Termini.
> 
> Rosemary
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> 



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From tomteresi at comcast.net  Wed Oct 25 04:07:42 2006
From: tomteresi at comcast.net (Tom Teresi)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:07:42 -0500
Subject: [TI] database mixup perhaps
References: <002c01c6f7cc$ef336630$9865fea9@HOME7S7OQRMYLB>
Message-ID: <00bd01c6f7d1$f9e6dd00$6400a8c0@TOMDELL8300>

Hi Laura -

It looks like there's a database problem.  There's a Thomas J Teresi at 
tsmith at msixpert.com that is associated with me.  I do not know Thomas J. 
Teresi.  In some cases his email address is my email address.  See "Teresi, 
Antonio" for an example.

My ancestors are: Guiseppe Teresi  AND Francesca & Ignacio & Providenzia 
Calderone AND Josephine Pasafuma.

Thank you for all the wonderful work on the database.  I don't mean to be 
critical but I know you want appropriate problems identified.

Tom 





From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Wed Oct 25 04:16:38 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:16:38 -0500
Subject: [TI] database mixup perhaps
In-Reply-To: <00bd01c6f7d1$f9e6dd00$6400a8c0@TOMDELL8300>
References: <002c01c6f7cc$ef336630$9865fea9@HOME7S7OQRMYLB>
	<00bd01c6f7d1$f9e6dd00$6400a8c0@TOMDELL8300>
Message-ID: <453EBAF6.5070209@madisontelco.com>

Tom,

You will need to tell me exactly what entries are yours so that I can 
make sure your email address is only associated with those entries.

Tom Teresi wrote:

>Hi Laura -
>
>It looks like there's a database problem.  There's a Thomas J Teresi at 
>tsmith at msixpert.com that is associated with me.  I do not know Thomas J. 
>Teresi.  In some cases his email address is my email address.  See "Teresi, 
>Antonio" for an example.
>
>My ancestors are: Guiseppe Teresi  AND Francesca & Ignacio & Providenzia 
>Calderone AND Josephine Pasafuma.
>
>Thank you for all the wonderful work on the database.  I don't mean to be 
>critical but I know you want appropriate problems identified.
>
>Tom 
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>TerminiImerese mailing list
>TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>
>
>
>  
>



From SReif1956 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 25 04:26:14 2006
From: SReif1956 at comcast.net (SReif1956 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:26:14 +0000
Subject: [TI] Guccione
Message-ID: <102520060126.7194.453EBD360008EB7900001C1A2205889116C0CAC7CE00070AADAC@comcast.net>

I dated a Guccione boy when I was a teen in St. Louis....very cute guy.  Too bad there were not many sparks after a while.  Of course, this did not help you with your questions, but the name brought back fun memories.  Sharon
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "anniegoe" <anniegoe at fyi.net>
> I have a picture of a tombstone and Guccione is on it besides my Spadaro 
> name.
> There are about 10 in the Database.
> This is a name I never seen before.  Is it familiar to anyone else.  Reading 
> the tombstone I would say they came from Alia??
> Ann Riggio 
> 
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From kimsansone at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 25 05:43:23 2006
From: kimsansone at sbcglobal.net (Kim Sansone)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:43:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] 1928 Death Certificates for Missouri
Message-ID: <20061025024323.28054.qmail@web81713.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

For those of you who have Missouri relatives the 1928
death certificates are now on line for viewing. 

http://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/resources/deathcertificates/



From gotto at ameritech.net  Wed Oct 25 07:24:29 2006
From: gotto at ameritech.net (Gloria Otto)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:24:29 -0500
Subject: [TI] Guccione
In-Reply-To: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.67$.013e01c6f7ad$8c5632a0$139950ce@DJZBSK81>
Message-ID: <000001c6f7ed$76958ca0$138afea9@D37FZK21>

Guccione was shortened to Gucci of the Gucci bags etc. Maybe this is the
same Guccione as yours.

Gloria

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of anniegoe
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 2:47 PM
To: Termini Termini
Subject: [TI] Guccione

I have a picture of a tombstone and Guccione is on it besides my Spadaro 
name.
There are about 10 in the Database.
This is a name I never seen before.  Is it familiar to anyone else.  Reading

the tombstone I would say they came from Alia??
Ann Riggio 


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From ltedesco26 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 25 13:49:34 2006
From: ltedesco26 at yahoo.com (Larie Tedesco)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:49:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Scolaro - Calcagno
In-Reply-To: <000001c6f71f$510840a0$138afea9@D37FZK21>
Message-ID: <20061025104934.58625.qmail@web36213.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sorry Gloria, I just saw this email this morning.  As
of now I do not see a Scolaro married to a Calcagno. 
Of course there is a lot not posted to the Calcagno's.
     I have a few Scolaro's though,
Anastasia Scolaro died 1830 daughter of Antonino
Scolaro and Agata Gerardi married a Giuseppe Culotta.

Also another daughter of Antonino Scolaro and Agata
Gerardi -  Maria Anna Scolaro married Agostino
Palotta-Piazza.  Agostino's parents were Antonino
Palotta-Piazza and Francesca Aglieri-Rinella sister of
my gggrandmother Maria Aglieri-Rinella died about 1830
 that married Giuseppe Tedesco.  Don't have too much
more info posted on the Scolaro's.
Larie





--- Gloria Otto <gotto at ameritech.net> wrote:

> -----Original Message--From: Gloria Otto
> [mailto:gotto at ameritech.net] Sent:
> Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:28 PM
>  Larie, the Calcagno's in the family photo resemble
> my Dad's half sister,
> Josephine Calcagno. Her father was Giuseppe
> Calcagno. All I know about him
> is in the marriage record-Giuseppe Calcagno married
> Teresa Scolaro Feb 04,
> 1888 in TI. He died the same year before their first
> child was born. He was
> kicked in the head by a mule. Teresa was b: Sep 05,
> 1867 in TI d: Mar 06,
> 1946 in Toronto, Ohio Father: Salvatore Scolaro
> Mother: Rosaria Scolaro
> 2014483 62 Matrimonio. Teresa was my grandmother.
> Thanks so much for
> posting. 
> 
> Gloria
> 
>  



From gotto at ameritech.net  Wed Oct 25 19:47:02 2006
From: gotto at ameritech.net (Gloria Otto)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:47:02 -0500
Subject: [TI] Scolaro - Calcagno
In-Reply-To: <20061025104934.58625.qmail@web36213.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c6f855$329fa630$138afea9@D37FZK21>

No probleme! Thanks. My cousin would like some information on her Calcagno
ggrandfather. I should correct that to half cousin except I never knew she
was only a half cousin until a few years ago!!! That Calcagno sure looks
like my half aunt - half aunt sounds a little silly............Thanks again.

Gloria

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Larie
Tedesco
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:50 AM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] Scolaro - Calcagno

Sorry Gloria, I just saw this email this morning.  As
of now I do not see a Scolaro married to a Calcagno. 
Of course there is a lot not posted to the Calcagno's.
     I have a few Scolaro's though,
Anastasia Scolaro died 1830 daughter of Antonino
Scolaro and Agata Gerardi married a Giuseppe Culotta.

Also another daughter of Antonino Scolaro and Agata
Gerardi -  Maria Anna Scolaro married Agostino
Palotta-Piazza.  Agostino's parents were Antonino
Palotta-Piazza and Francesca Aglieri-Rinella sister of
my gggrandmother Maria Aglieri-Rinella died about 1830
 that married Giuseppe Tedesco.  Don't have too much
more info posted on the Scolaro's.
Larie





--- Gloria Otto <gotto at ameritech.net> wrote:

> -----Original Message--From: Gloria Otto
> [mailto:gotto at ameritech.net] Sent:
> Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:28 PM
>  Larie, the Calcagno's in the family photo resemble
> my Dad's half sister,
> Josephine Calcagno. Her father was Giuseppe
> Calcagno. All I know about him
> is in the marriage record-Giuseppe Calcagno married
> Teresa Scolaro Feb 04,
> 1888 in TI. He died the same year before their first
> child was born. He was
> kicked in the head by a mule. Teresa was b: Sep 05,
> 1867 in TI d: Mar 06,
> 1946 in Toronto, Ohio Father: Salvatore Scolaro
> Mother: Rosaria Scolaro
> 2014483 62 Matrimonio. Teresa was my grandmother.
> Thanks so much for
> posting. 
> 
> Gloria
> 
>  

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From dfg353 at cox.net  Wed Oct 25 20:55:41 2006
From: dfg353 at cox.net (dfg353 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:55:41 -0400
Subject: [TI] Scolaro - Calcagno
Message-ID: <27782156.1161798941828.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net>

Hi Gloria,

We've talked in the past about Battaglia and Giuffre relations, but this dialogue regarding Scolaro/Calcagno grabbed my attention because I am related to folks with both these names.

My mom talked about Calcagno cousins that came to visit her parents in Bayonne NJ in the 1930's. Two brothers, Frank and August Calcagno from Oak Park, IL.  

Frank and August were sons of Marino Calcagno and Domenica Scolaro. 

I see a marriage record in the TI database for Marino and Domenica for 1891.

Domenica Scolaro was the daughter of Antonino Scolaro and Rosalia Satariano.

First, I'll list Domenica's 'Scolaro' (father's) side:

Antonino Scolaro was the son of Agostino Scolaro and Domenica Giuffre.

Agostino was the son of Antonino Scolaro and Maria Ann Piraino

I am connected to Domenica Scolaro in two ways:

She was a first cousin to my maternal Grandmother (Vincenza Pace Battaglia)
because their mothers were sisters (Rosalia Satariano and Vincenza Satariano).

She was also a second cousin to Grandma Vincenza Pace Battaglia because their fathers were first cousins (Antonino Scolaro was first cousin to Giuseppe Pace, Grandma's father).  Antonino's mother, Domenica Giuffre was sister to Giuseppe Pace's mother, Benedetta Giuffre.

Phew!  This even seems confusing to me! 

I really need to start adding entries to the personal database.

Dom Guagenti
Va Beach, VA

---- Gloria Otto <gotto at ameritech.net> wrote: 
> No probleme! Thanks. My cousin would like some information on her Calcagno
> ggrandfather. I should correct that to half cousin except I never knew she
> was only a half cousin until a few years ago!!! That Calcagno sure looks
> like my half aunt - half aunt sounds a little silly............Thanks again.
> 
> Gloria
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Larie
> Tedesco
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:50 AM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] Scolaro - Calcagno
> 
> Sorry Gloria, I just saw this email this morning.  As
> of now I do not see a Scolaro married to a Calcagno. 
> Of course there is a lot not posted to the Calcagno's.
>      I have a few Scolaro's though,
> Anastasia Scolaro died 1830 daughter of Antonino
> Scolaro and Agata Gerardi married a Giuseppe Culotta.
> 
> Also another daughter of Antonino Scolaro and Agata
> Gerardi -  Maria Anna Scolaro married Agostino
> Palotta-Piazza.  Agostino's parents were Antonino
> Palotta-Piazza and Francesca Aglieri-Rinella sister of
> my gggrandmother Maria Aglieri-Rinella died about 1830
>  that married Giuseppe Tedesco.  Don't have too much
> more info posted on the Scolaro's.
> Larie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Gloria Otto <gotto at ameritech.net> wrote:
> 
> > -----Original Message--From: Gloria Otto
> > [mailto:gotto at ameritech.net] Sent:
> > Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:28 PM
> >  Larie, the Calcagno's in the family photo resemble
> > my Dad's half sister,
> > Josephine Calcagno. Her father was Giuseppe
> > Calcagno. All I know about him
> > is in the marriage record-Giuseppe Calcagno married
> > Teresa Scolaro Feb 04,
> > 1888 in TI. He died the same year before their first
> > child was born. He was
> > kicked in the head by a mule. Teresa was b: Sep 05,
> > 1867 in TI d: Mar 06,
> > 1946 in Toronto, Ohio Father: Salvatore Scolaro
> > Mother: Rosaria Scolaro
> > 2014483 62 Matrimonio. Teresa was my grandmother.
> > Thanks so much for
> > posting. 
> > 
> > Gloria
> > 
> >  
> 
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From dfg353 at cox.net  Wed Oct 25 20:56:26 2006
From: dfg353 at cox.net (dfg353 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:56:26 -0400
Subject: [TI] Scolaro - Calcagno
Message-ID: <6340069.1161798986893.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net>

Hi Gloria,

We've talked in the past about Battaglia and Giuffre relations, but this dialogue regarding Scolaro/Calcagno grabbed my attention because I am related to folks with both these names.

My mom talked about Calcagno cousins that came to visit her parents in Bayonne NJ in the 1930's. Two brothers, Frank and August Calcagno from Oak Park, IL.  

Frank and August were sons of Marino Calcagno and Domenica Scolaro. 

I see a marriage record in the TI database for Marino and Domenica for 1891.

Domenica Scolaro was the daughter of Antonino Scolaro and Rosalia Satariano.

First, I'll list Domenica's 'Scolaro' (father's) side:

Antonino Scolaro was the son of Agostino Scolaro and Domenica Giuffre.

Agostino was the son of Antonino Scolaro and Maria Ann Piraino

I am connected to Domenica Scolaro in two ways:

She was a first cousin to my maternal Grandmother (Vincenza Pace Battaglia)
because their mothers were sisters (Rosalia Satariano and Vincenza Satariano).

She was also a second cousin to Grandma Vincenza Pace Battaglia because their fathers were first cousins (Antonino Scolaro was first cousin to Giuseppe Pace, Grandma's father).  Antonino's mother, Domenica Giuffre was sister to Giuseppe Pace's mother, Benedetta Giuffre.

Phew!  This even seems confusing to me! 

I really need to start adding entries to the personal database.

Dom Guagenti
Va Beach, VA

---- Gloria Otto <gotto at ameritech.net> wrote: 
> No probleme! Thanks. My cousin would like some information on her Calcagno
> ggrandfather. I should correct that to half cousin except I never knew she
> was only a half cousin until a few years ago!!! That Calcagno sure looks
> like my half aunt - half aunt sounds a little silly............Thanks again.
> 
> Gloria
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Larie
> Tedesco
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:50 AM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] Scolaro - Calcagno
> 
> Sorry Gloria, I just saw this email this morning.  As
> of now I do not see a Scolaro married to a Calcagno. 
> Of course there is a lot not posted to the Calcagno's.
>      I have a few Scolaro's though,
> Anastasia Scolaro died 1830 daughter of Antonino
> Scolaro and Agata Gerardi married a Giuseppe Culotta.
> 
> Also another daughter of Antonino Scolaro and Agata
> Gerardi -  Maria Anna Scolaro married Agostino
> Palotta-Piazza.  Agostino's parents were Antonino
> Palotta-Piazza and Francesca Aglieri-Rinella sister of
> my gggrandmother Maria Aglieri-Rinella died about 1830
>  that married Giuseppe Tedesco.  Don't have too much
> more info posted on the Scolaro's.
> Larie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Gloria Otto <gotto at ameritech.net> wrote:
> 
> > -----Original Message--From: Gloria Otto
> > [mailto:gotto at ameritech.net] Sent:
> > Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:28 PM
> >  Larie, the Calcagno's in the family photo resemble
> > my Dad's half sister,
> > Josephine Calcagno. Her father was Giuseppe
> > Calcagno. All I know about him
> > is in the marriage record-Giuseppe Calcagno married
> > Teresa Scolaro Feb 04,
> > 1888 in TI. He died the same year before their first
> > child was born. He was
> > kicked in the head by a mule. Teresa was b: Sep 05,
> > 1867 in TI d: Mar 06,
> > 1946 in Toronto, Ohio Father: Salvatore Scolaro
> > Mother: Rosaria Scolaro
> > 2014483 62 Matrimonio. Teresa was my grandmother.
> > Thanks so much for
> > posting. 
> > 
> > Gloria
> > 
> >  
> 
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From l_coppola at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 26 01:01:19 2006
From: l_coppola at yahoo.com (leonard coppola)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:01:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?
In-Reply-To: <000801c6f636$0ece5d30$6501a8c0@momshp>
Message-ID: <20061025220119.70781.qmail@web30311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Since there are more than 400 entries for Maria
Battaglia's in the TI certificate database, there is a
Maria Battaglia in many of the member's family trees. 
I'll add mine to see if there are any connections to
other members.
Ignazio Coppola b: abt 1797 d: 19Jan1838 married Maria
Battaglia b: abt 1805 d: 26May1835.  They were married
13 Jul 1829 in TI.  I know of two children, Vincenzo
born unk died 11Jul1854 and Rosaria b: 20 Jul 1829 d:
unk.  Rosaria married Simone DiLisi    18 Oct 1845 in
TI.  9 children born.  Maria's parents were Salvadore
Battaglia and Maria Filicichia.  Ignazio's parents
were Vincenso Coppola and Rosaria Pansica.  

Len













From l_coppola at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 26 02:40:09 2006
From: l_coppola at yahoo.com (leonard coppola)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:40:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?
In-Reply-To: <000801c6f636$0ece5d30$6501a8c0@momshp>
Message-ID: <20061025234009.79945.qmail@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Since there are more than 400 entries for Maria
Battaglia's in the TI certificate database, there is a
Maria Battaglia in many of the member's family trees. 
I'll add mine to see if there are any connections to
other members.
Ignazio Coppola b: abt 1797 d: 19 Jan 1838 married
Maria Battaglia b: abt 1805 d: 26 May 1835.  They were
married 13 Jul 1829 in TI.  I know of two children,
Vincenzo born unk died 11 Jul 1854 and Rosaria b: 20
Jul 1829 d: unk.  Rosaria married Simone DiLisi    18
Oct 1845 in TI.  9 children born.  Maria's parents
were Salvadore Battaglia and Maria Filicichia. 
Ignazio's parents were Vincenso Coppola and Rosaria
Pansica.  

Len














From nellie at woh.rr.com  Thu Oct 26 13:07:36 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:07:36 -0400
Subject: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?
References: <20061025234009.79945.qmail@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c6f8e6$900a2bb0$6501a8c0@momshp>

Sounds close but no cigar.
I have Salvadore Battaglia with Providenza Lanzarotta (b 1828)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "leonard coppola" <l_coppola at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?


> Since there are more than 400 entries for Maria
> Battaglia's in the TI certificate database, there is a
> Maria Battaglia in many of the member's family trees.
> I'll add mine to see if there are any connections to
> other members.
> Ignazio Coppola b: abt 1797 d: 19 Jan 1838 married
> Maria Battaglia b: abt 1805 d: 26 May 1835.  They were
> married 13 Jul 1829 in TI.  I know of two children,
> Vincenzo born unk died 11 Jul 1854 and Rosaria b: 20
> Jul 1829 d: unk.  Rosaria married Simone DiLisi    18
> Oct 1845 in TI.  9 children born.  Maria's parents
> were Salvadore Battaglia and Maria Filicichia.
> Ignazio's parents were Vincenso Coppola and Rosaria
> Pansica.
>
> Len
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From joseph at laiacona.org  Thu Oct 26 15:30:49 2006
From: joseph at laiacona.org (Joseph Laiacona)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:30:49 -0500
Subject: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?
References: <20061025234009.79945.qmail@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<000d01c6f8e6$900a2bb0$6501a8c0@momshp>
Message-ID: <005e01c6f8fa$926d58f0$220110ac@JACK>




> Sounds close but no cigar.
> I have Salvadore Battaglia with Providenza Lanzarotta (b 1828)

Do you know Salvadore Battaglia's parents?

Joe





From l_coppola at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 26 16:57:52 2006
From: l_coppola at yahoo.com (leonard coppola)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:57:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?
In-Reply-To: <005e01c6f8fa$926d58f0$220110ac@JACK>
Message-ID: <20061026135752.82194.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

No, Salvadore is the earliest one I have.

Len




From nellie at woh.rr.com  Thu Oct 26 18:33:09 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:33:09 -0400
Subject: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?
References: <20061025234009.79945.qmail@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<000d01c6f8e6$900a2bb0$6501a8c0@momshp>
	<005e01c6f8fa$926d58f0$220110ac@JACK>
Message-ID: <000301c6f914$0aa25230$6501a8c0@momshp>

Salvatore Battaglia and Rosa Cira.  Salvatore was dead by 1853, Rosa died in 
October 1853
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph Laiacona" <joseph at laiacona.org>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?


>
>
>
>> Sounds close but no cigar.
>> I have Salvadore Battaglia with Providenza Lanzarotta (b 1828)
>
> Do you know Salvadore Battaglia's parents?
>
> Joe
>
>
>
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From nellie at woh.rr.com  Thu Oct 26 18:34:43 2006
From: nellie at woh.rr.com (nell lamantia)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:34:43 -0400
Subject: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?
References: <20061026135752.82194.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701c6f914$454dda30$6501a8c0@momshp>

I don't distinguish between Salvatore and Salvadore.  It could be that the 
person writing down the information spelled it the way he thought it would 
be spelled, I doubt if all the ancestors this far back could read and write.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "leonard coppola" <l_coppola at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?


> No, Salvadore is the earliest one I have.
>
> Len
>
>
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From erinsmom at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 23:30:44 2006
From: erinsmom at gmail.com (erinsmom)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:30:44 -0500
Subject: [TI] name not on the database
Message-ID: <135790bb0610261330p4a7024c8n32fc724c48b9a9af@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
I have a quandry relating to a distant cousin. My great uncle
Francesco Iannarino married Lucia Vigli in Termini Imerese in 1906. I
have obtained from Laura a copy of the original marriage document --
thank you Laura. These documents are such treasures.

Lucia's parents were "Ignoti" although she may have been living with
other relatives of my family. Lucia, according to the records, was
born in Palermo. According to the story Lucia told her children --
Lucia's mother abandoned her at birth since she was born out of
wedlock -- I guess we would say illegitimate. Lucia was raised by
another family and after she was grown was given an opportunity to
meet her birth mother but declined saying that her adoptive mother was
her real mother.

My question is this -- is it possible to find something about Lucia's
birth mother without going to Italy? Are there websites that might
list some of the names of adopted children? Would the Vigli name be
the name of the birth mother? If Lucia were raised by another family
other than her own, would it be common for her to retain her birth
mother's name? Or more likely that she had been given the name of the
adoptive parents?

I will be visiting with Lucia's daughter in the next couple of weeks.
The daughter is in her 90's and knows little about her mom except what
I have told you. I will show the daughter the original marriage
document for her parents but would love to be able to tell her more
about her mom. Any suggestions that anyone has would be appreciated.

Franciene McDonald

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From joseph at laiacona.org  Thu Oct 26 23:57:14 2006
From: joseph at laiacona.org (Joseph Laiacona)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:57:14 -0500
Subject: [TI] name not on the database
References: <135790bb0610261330p4a7024c8n32fc724c48b9a9af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003901c6f941$5152a900$220110ac@JACK>

You might find some further information on who raised Lucia if you look in 
the Allegatti, but there will be nothing more to be found about her 
"unknown" parents. She was an abandoned baby and unhappily will remain that.

Joe


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:30 PM
Subject: [TI] name not on the database


> Hi everyone,
> I have a quandry relating to a distant cousin. My great uncle
> Francesco Iannarino married Lucia Vigli in Termini Imerese in 1906. I
> have obtained from Laura a copy of the original marriage document --
> thank you Laura. These documents are such treasures.
>
> Lucia's parents were "Ignoti" although she may have been living with
> other relatives of my family. Lucia, according to the records, was
> born in Palermo. According to the story Lucia told her children --
> Lucia's mother abandoned her at birth since she was born out of
> wedlock -- I guess we would say illegitimate. Lucia was raised by
> another family and after she was grown was given an opportunity to
> meet her birth mother but declined saying that her adoptive mother was
> her real mother.
>
> My question is this -- is it possible to find something about Lucia's
> birth mother without going to Italy? Are there websites that might
> list some of the names of adopted children? Would the Vigli name be
> the name of the birth mother? If Lucia were raised by another family
> other than her own, would it be common for her to retain her birth
> mother's name? Or more likely that she had been given the name of the
> adoptive parents?
>
> I will be visiting with Lucia's daughter in the next couple of weeks.
> The daughter is in her 90's and knows little about her mom except what
> I have told you. I will show the daughter the original marriage
> document for her parents but would love to be able to tell her more
> about her mom. Any suggestions that anyone has would be appreciated.
>
> Franciene McDonald
>
> -- 
> Meet my amazing Italian American family: go to http://www.iannarino.us.
>
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Thu Oct 26 16:50:02 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:50:02 -0400
Subject: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?
References: <20061025220119.70781.qmail@web30311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.74$.001601c6f906$396506c0$4a9a50ce@DJZBSK81>

Leonard,
I noticed Rosaria Coppola and Agostina Coppola were witnesses on a death 
certificate in 1903 for an aunt that died as a child of 3.  Are the names 
familiar.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "leonard coppola" <l_coppola at yahoo.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?


> Since there are more than 400 entries for Maria
> Battaglia's in the TI certificate database, there is a
> Maria Battaglia in many of the member's family trees.
> I'll add mine to see if there are any connections to
> other members.
> Ignazio Coppola b: abt 1797 d: 19Jan1838 married Maria
> Battaglia b: abt 1805 d: 26May1835.  They were married
> 13 Jul 1829 in TI.  I know of two children, Vincenzo
> born unk died 11Jul1854 and Rosaria b: 20 Jul 1829 d:
> unk.  Rosaria married Simone DiLisi    18 Oct 1845 in
> TI.  9 children born.  Maria's parents were Salvadore
> Battaglia and Maria Filicichia.  Ignazio's parents
> were Vincenso Coppola and Rosaria Pansica.
>
> Len
>
>
>
>
>
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Fri Oct 27 00:54:19 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:54:19 -0400
Subject: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?
References: <20061026135752.82194.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<000701c6f914$454dda30$6501a8c0@momshp>
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.82$.00b701c6f949$4b360c80$4a9a50ce@DJZBSK81>

Territorial!  In my Fathers home town they are all Salvatore.  All my 
relatives from Termini were Salvadore.  (product of the Spanish rule).  Up 
in Italy it is Salvatore.
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nell lamantia" <nellie at woh.rr.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?


>I don't distinguish between Salvatore and Salvadore.  It could be that the
> person writing down the information spelled it the way he thought it would
> be spelled, I doubt if all the ancestors this far back could read and 
> write.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "leonard coppola" <l_coppola at yahoo.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?
>
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>> No, Salvadore is the earliest one I have.
>>
>> Len
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Fri Oct 27 01:11:29 2006
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:11:29 -0500
Subject: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?
In-Reply-To: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.82$.00b701c6f949$4b360c80$4a9a50ce@DJZBSK81>
References: <20061026135752.82194.qmail@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<000701c6f914$454dda30$6501a8c0@momshp>
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If your Salvadore was born, married or died after about 1875 in TI, then 
the spelling became Salvatore with a T instead of a D.  Before the 
1870's, it was always found  as Salvadore with a D but the later records 
do NOT show the D and instead show it with a T

anniegoe wrote:

>Territorial!  In my Fathers home town they are all Salvatore.  All my 
>relatives from Termini were Salvadore.  (product of the Spanish rule).  Up 
>in Italy it is Salvatore.
>Ann
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "nell lamantia" <nellie at woh.rr.com>
>To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:34 AM
>Subject: Re: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?
>
>
>  
>
>>I don't distinguish between Salvatore and Salvadore.  It could be that the
>>person writing down the information spelled it the way he thought it would
>>be spelled, I doubt if all the ancestors this far back could read and 
>>write.
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "leonard coppola" <l_coppola at yahoo.com>
>>To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:57 AM
>>Subject: Re: [TI] Battaglia Bingo again?
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>>
>>>No, Salvadore is the earliest one I have.
>>>
>>>Len
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From anniegoe at fyi.net  Fri Oct 27 01:18:22 2006
From: anniegoe at fyi.net (anniegoe)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:18:22 -0400
Subject: [TI] name not on the database
References: <135790bb0610261330p4a7024c8n32fc724c48b9a9af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.75$.017c01c6f94c$a72aab60$4a9a50ce@DJZBSK81>

Franciene, When you come to Pittsburgh call me.
Should we tell them the story about the cemetery?
Ann
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:30 PM
Subject: [TI] name not on the database


> Hi everyone,
> I have a quandry relating to a distant cousin. My great uncle
> Francesco Iannarino married Lucia Vigli in Termini Imerese in 1906. I
> have obtained from Laura a copy of the original marriage document --
> thank you Laura. These documents are such treasures.
>
> Lucia's parents were "Ignoti" although she may have been living with
> other relatives of my family. Lucia, according to the records, was
> born in Palermo. According to the story Lucia told her children --
> Lucia's mother abandoned her at birth since she was born out of
> wedlock -- I guess we would say illegitimate. Lucia was raised by
> another family and after she was grown was given an opportunity to
> meet her birth mother but declined saying that her adoptive mother was
> her real mother.
>
> My question is this -- is it possible to find something about Lucia's
> birth mother without going to Italy? Are there websites that might
> list some of the names of adopted children? Would the Vigli name be
> the name of the birth mother? If Lucia were raised by another family
> other than her own, would it be common for her to retain her birth
> mother's name? Or more likely that she had been given the name of the
> adoptive parents?
>
> I will be visiting with Lucia's daughter in the next couple of weeks.
> The daughter is in her 90's and knows little about her mom except what
> I have told you. I will show the daughter the original marriage
> document for her parents but would love to be able to tell her more
> about her mom. Any suggestions that anyone has would be appreciated.
>
> Franciene McDonald
>
> -- 
> Meet my amazing Italian American family: go to http://www.iannarino.us.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
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From kimsansone at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 27 03:19:50 2006
From: kimsansone at sbcglobal.net (Kim Sansone)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:19:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] To Paul Caito and Tony Rini  - Rini Family Tree
Message-ID: <20061027001950.34431.qmail@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Paul and Tony, 

I have many Rini's in my tree.   Barb Jenkins sent me
her line and I haven't been able to find a connection,
at least not yet, but she said that you both have more
information on additional Rini lines.  I know I am
related to Mike Rini.  

I was wondering if you wouldn't mind sending me a copy
of your genealogy reports for your Rini's to see if we
can find a connection.  kimsansone at sbcglobal.net

Here is a portion of my Rini tree.     

Descendants of Vincenzo Rini


Generation No. 1

1.  VINCENZO1 RINI  He married CARMELA CORRAO.  
	
Child of VINCENZO RINI and CARMELA CORRAO is:
2.	i.	NICOLO2 RINI, b. Abt. 1784, Termini Imerese
Sicily; d. 26 Jun 1834, Termini Imerese Sicily.


Generation No. 2

2.  NICOLO2 RINI (VINCENZO1) was born Abt. 1784 in
Termini Imerese Sicily, and died 26 Jun 1834 in
Termini Imerese Sicily1.  He married ANTONIA SCHIAVO,
daughter of VINCENZO SCHIAVO and CARMELA SCALISI.  She
was born Abt. 1792 in Termini Imerese Sicily, and died
30 Nov 1841 in Termini Imerese Sicily.
	
Children of NICOLO RINI and ANTONIA SCHIAVO are:
	i.	GIOVANNI3 RINI, b. 04 Jul 1826, Termini Imerese
Sicily; d. 07 Jul 1826, Termini Imerese Sicily.
3.	ii.	CARMELA RINI, b. Abt. 1807, Termini Imerese
Sicily; d. 15 Aug 1898, Termini Imerese Sicily.
4.	iii.	VINCENZA RINI, b. Abt. 1819, Termini Imerese
Sicily.
5.	iv.	SALVADORE RINI, b. Abt. 1820, Termini Imerese
Sicily.
6.	v.	ROSALIA RINI, b. 12 Oct 1823, Termini Imerese
Sicily; d. 13 Mar 1883, Termini Imerese Sicily. (my
line)
	vi.	ANNA RINI, b. 05 Jul 1826, Termini Imerese
Sicily2.
7.	vii.	AGOSTINO NICOLO RINI, b. 03 Aug 1830, Termini
Imerese Sicily; d. 11 Apr 1894, #2 Via Gandalfo,
Termini Imerese Sicily.


Generation No. 3

3.  CARMELA3 RINI (NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was born Abt.
1807 in Termini Imerese Sicily, and died 15 Aug 1898
in Termini Imerese Sicily3.  She married ANDREA
GALLUZZO 01 Feb 1836 in Termini Imerese Sicily4, son
of ANTONINO GALLUZZO and MARIA CRISANTI.  He was born
Abt. 1780 in Termini Imerese Sicily, and died Bef.
1898 in Termini Imerese Sicily.

More About ANDREA GALLUZZO and CARMELA RINI:
Marriage: 01 Feb 1836, Termini Imerese Sicily4
	
Children of CARMELA RINI and ANDREA GALLUZZO are:
	i.	ANDREA4 GALLUZZO, d. 15 Aug 1839, Termini Imerese
Sicily.
	ii.	ANDREA GALLUZZO, d. 25 Mar 1837, Termini Imerese
Sicily.
	iii.	GIUSEPPE GALLUZZO, b. 07 Dec 1836; d. 25 Mar
1837, Termini Imerese Sicily.
	iv.	GIUSEPPE GALLUZZO, d. 15 Aug 1839, Termini
Imerese Sicily.
	v.	ANTONINO GALLUZZO, b. 16 Apr 1839, Termini 
Imerese Sicily5.
	vi.	ANTONINA GALLUZZO, b. 10 Jun 1840, Termini
Imerese Sicily6; m. GIOVANNI CAMPAGNA, 08 Jan 1884,
Termini Imerese Sicily.
8.	vii.	ROSALIA GALLUZZO, b. 26 Jan 1843, Termini
Imerese Sicily.
	viii.	ANTONIA GALLUZZO, b. 16 Dec 1845.


4.  VINCENZA3 RINI (NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was born Abt.
1819 in Termini Imerese Sicily.  She married DIEGO
MORMINO 12 Oct 1839 in Termini Imerese Sicily, son of
CARMELO MORMINO and MARIA PALMISANO.  

	
Children of VINCENZA RINI and DIEGO MORMINO are:
	i.	AGOSTINA4 MORMINO, b. 28 Feb 1840; d. 04 Jun 1840.
	ii.	AGOSTINA MORMINO, b. 14 May 1849, Termini Imerese
Sicily7; m. MATTEO LOPRESTI, 12 Feb 1876, Termini
Imerese Sicily.
	iii.	MARIA MORMINO, b. 22 Nov 1852, Termini Imerese
Sicily.
	iv.	LORENZO MORMINO, b. 09 Aug 1858, Termini Imerese
Sicily8; d. 13 Oct 1859, Termini  Imerese Sicily9.

5.  SALVADORE3 RINI (NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was born Abt.
1820 in Termini Imerese Sicily.  He married FRANCESCA
CIANCIOLO 12 Oct 1845 in Termini Imerese Sicily10,
daughter of GUGHELMO CIANCIOLO and MARGARITA ZODIA. 
She was born 19 Oct 1823 in Termini Imerese Sicily.
	
Children of SALVADORE RINI and FRANCESCA CIANCIOLO
are:
	i.	ANTONINA4 RINI, b. 15 Jun 1846.
9.	ii.	NICOLO AGOSTINO RINI, b. 15 May 1849, Termini
Imerese Sicily.
	iii.	ANTONINO RINI, b. 02 Jul 1851, Termini Imerese
Sicily11.
10.	iv.	ANTONIO RINI, b. 02 Jul 1852, Termini Imerese
Sicily; d. 28 Aug 1920, Cleveland, Cuyahoga County,
Ohio.
	v.	MARGHERITA RINI, b. 07 Oct 1853.
	vi.	GIUSEPPE RINI, b. 27 Feb 1856.
	vii.	CARMELO RINI, b. 20 Oct 1858, Termini Imerese
Sicily12.
	viii.	MARIA RINI13, b. 10 Nov 1861; m. GIOVANNI
SANSONE-ZODIA, 11 Feb 1888, Termini Imerese Sicily.
	ix.	FRANCESCA RINI, b. 02 May 1864, Termini Imerese
Sicily14.


This is my line:  
6.  ROSALIA3 RINI (NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was born 12 Oct
1823 in Termini Imerese Sicily, and died 13 Mar 1883
in Termini Imerese Sicily.  She married PIETRO
PALMISANO 14 Sep 1850 in Termini Imerese Sicily15, son
of ROSARIO PALMISANO and MICHIELA CORSO.  He was born
Abt. 1815 in Termini Imerese Sicily, and died Aft.
1864 in Termini Imerese Sicily.
	
Children of ROSALIA RINI and PIETRO PALMISANO are:
	i.	ROSARIO4 PALMISANO, b. 22 May 1853, Termini
Imerese Sicily; d. 27 May 1853, Termini Imerese
Sicily16.
	ii.	ROSARIO PALMISANO, b. 13 Aug 1854, Termini
Imerese Sicily17; d. 17 Aug 1854, Termini Imerese
Sicily.
11.	iii.	MICHELA PALMISANO, b. 19 Dec 1855, Termini
Imerese Sicily; d. 16 Oct 1931, Lincoln General
Hospital - Lincoln NE. (my gr gr grandmother)
12.	iv.	AGOSTINO PALMISANO, b. 28 May 1858, Termini
Imerese Sicily; d. 15 Aug 1909, Omaha Nebraska.
13.	v.	ANTONIA PALMISANO, b. 30 Dec 1864, Termini
Imerese, Sicily; d. 27 Mar 1941, Omaha Nebraska.
	vi.	ROSARIO SALVATORE PALMISANO, b. 18 Jun 1862,
Termini Imerese Sicily.


7.  AGOSTINO NICOLO3 RINI (NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was
born 03 Aug 1830 in Termini Imerese Sicily18, and died
11 Apr 1894 in #2 Via Gandalfo, Termini Imerese
Sicily19.  He married MARIA CULOTTA 10 Jan 1857 in
Termini Imerese Sicily20, daughter of ANTONINO CULOTTA
and CARMELA BISESI.  She was born 16 Nov 1840 in
Termini Imerese Sicily, and died Aft. 1894.
	
Children of AGOSTINO RINI and MARIA CULOTTA are:
	i.	NICOLO4 RINI, b. 22 Jan 1859, Termini Imerese
Sicily21; d. 05 Feb 1859, Termini Imerese Sicily.
14.	ii.	ANTONIO RINI, b. 31 May 1860, Termini Imerese
Sicily.
15.	iii.	NICOLO (CHARLES) RINI, b. 26 May 1863,
Termini Imerese Sicily; d. 24 Jan 1938, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
	iv.	VINCENZO RINI, b. 23 Jul 1865, Termini Imerese
Sicily22.
	v.	ANTONIA RINI, b. Abt. 1868; m. ANTONINO LONGO, 01
Feb 1892, Termini Imerese Sicily23.
	vi.	AGOSTINO RINI, b. 27 May 1873, Termini Imerese
Sicily24; m. IGNAZIA GRAZIANO, 24 Oct 1894, Termini
Imerese Sicily.
16.	vii.	LIBORIO (LEO) RINI, b. Abt. 1874, Termini
Imerese Sicily; d. Bef. 1951.
	viii.	VINCENZO RINI, b. 26 Jun 1877, Termini Imerese
Sicily25.
17.	ix.	VINCENT JAMES (AGOSTINO) RINI, b. 24 Jun 1883,
Termini Imerese Sicily; d. 18 Nov 1941, Rochester New
York.


Generation No. 4

8.  ROSALIA4 GALLUZZO (CARMELA3 RINI, NICOLO2,
VINCENZO1) was born 26 Jan 1843 in Termini Imerese
Sicily.  She married PIETRO TERESI 30 Nov 1861 in
Termini Imerese Sicily26.  
	
Child of ROSALIA GALLUZZO and PIETRO TERESI is:
	i.	GIUSEPPE5 TERESI, b. 08 May 1865, Termini Imerese
Sicily27.

9.  NICOLO AGOSTINO4 RINI (SALVADORE3, NICOLO2,
VINCENZO1) was born 15 May 1849 in Termini Imerese
Sicily28.  He married (1) CATERINA IANNARINO 16 Dec
1879 in Termini Imerese Sicily, daughter of GIUSEPPE
IANNARINO and BIAGGIA MANTIA.    He married (2)
VINCENZA(FRANCES) GIARDINA 20 Apr 1883 in Termini
Imerese Sicily, daughter of MICHELE GIARDINA and
MAGGIE DEMMA.  
	
Children of NICOLO RINI and VINCENZA(FRANCES) GIARDINA
are:
18.	i.	FRANCESCA5 RINI, b. 13 Dec 1884, Palermo
Sicily; d. 09 Oct 1955, Marion County Indiana.
19.	ii.	SALVATORE (SAM) RINI, b. 25 Dec 1885, Termini
Imerese Sicily; d. 18 Apr 1940, Marion County Indiana.
	iii.	MARGHERITA (MARY) RINI, b. 25 Oct 1891, Termini
Imerese Sicily; d. Mar 1996, Marion County Indiana; m.
MICHAEL GIARDINA, 22 Jul 1908, Marion County Indiana;
b. 28 Dec 1886, Marion County Indiana.

10.  ANTONIO4 RINI (SALVADORE3, NICOLO2, VINCENZO1)
was born 02 Jul 1852 in Termini Imerese Sicily, and
died 28 Aug 1920 in Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio. 
He married MICHELINA RINI 31 Jan 1885 in Termini
Imerese Sicily, daughter of JOSEPH RINI and GIROLOMA
BATTAGLIA.  She was born 21 Mar 1868 in Termini
Imerese Sicily, and died 26 Oct 1942 in Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
	
Children of ANTONIO RINI and MICHELINA RINI are:
20.	i.	FRANCESCA5 RINI, b. 19 May 1887, Termini
Imerese Sicily; d. 19 Feb 1957, Shaker Heights Ohio.
21.	ii.	LOUIS SALVATORE RINI, b. 26 Jun 1891,
Cleveland Ohio; d. 15 Sep 1957, Lakewood, Cuyahoga
County,  Ohio.
	iii.	JOSEPH RINI, b. 18 Feb 1894, Cleveland Ohio; d.
08 Apr 1894, Cleveland Ohio.
	iv.	MARY RINI, b. 18 Feb 1894, Cleveland Ohio; d. 28
Sep 1894, Cleveland Ohio.
22.	v.	JOSEPH THOMAS RINI, b. 17 Jun 1895, Cleveland
Ohio; d. 09 Jan 1972, Lakewood, Cuyahoga County, 
Ohio.
	vi.	NICHOLAS RINI, b. 04 Apr 1898, Cleveland Ohio; d.
19 Sep 1898, Cleveland Ohio.
	vii.	MAMIE E RINI, b. 20 Aug 1899, Cleveland Ohio; d.
04 Aug 1917, Cleveland Ohio.
23.	viii.	NICHOLAS JOSEPH RINI, b. 06 Sep 1902,
Cleveland Ohio; d. 10 Nov 1983, Cleveland Ohio.
24.	ix.	CHARLES THOMAS RINI, b. 08 Apr 1905, Cleveland
Ohio; d. 27 Mar 1976, Newbury Park, Ventura County,
California.


11.  MICHELA4 PALMISANO (ROSALIA3 RINI, NICOLO2,
VINCENZO1) was born 19 Dec 1855 in Termini Imerese
Sicily29, and died 16 Oct 1931 in Lincoln General
Hospital - Lincoln NE30.  She married PIETRO CATALANO
27 Jan 1878 in Termini Imerese Sicily, son of IGNAZIO
CATALANO and MARIA RIZZO.  He was born 06 Jan 1853 in
Termini Imerese Sicily, and died 25 Jan 1926 in 614 St
19th Street Lincoln Nebraska31.
	
Children of MICHELA PALMISANO and PIETRO CATALANO are:
25.	i.	MARIA5 CATALANO, b. 27 Jan 1878, Termini
Imerese Sicily; d. 19 Jul 1933, Beatrice Nebraska.
26.	ii.	ROSALIA CATALANO, b. 24 Jan 1881, #? Via Remo
Termini Imerese Sicily; d. 07 Oct 1966, DePaul
Hospital St Louis Missouri. (my gr grandmother)
27.	iii.	ANNA CATALANO, b. 09 Aug 1883, #36 Via
Mascari Termini Imerese Sicily; d. Aft. 1930.
	iv.	ASSUNTA MARIA CATALANO, b. 09 Aug 1883, #36 Via
Mascari Termini Imerese Sicily32; d. 01 Sep 1883,
Termini Imerese Sicily33.
	v.	WILLIAM I CATALANO, b. 05 May 1886, Nebraska; d.
01 May 1973, St Louis Missouri; m. (1) UNKNOWN CARTER,
Bef. 1930; m. (2) ANNA BALSAMO, Aft. 1930; b. Abt.
1900, St Louis Missouri; d. 10 Apr 1960, St Louis
Missouri.
28.	vi.	ANTONINA (LENA) CATALANO, b. 08 Mar 1888, St
Joseph Missouri; d. 29 Dec 1958, Lincoln Nebraska.
29.	vii.	PROVVIDENZA (PEARL) CATALANO, b. 20 Jun 1891,
Lincoln, Lancaster County, Nebraska; d. 23 Nov 1974,
Riverside County California.


12.  AGOSTINO4 PALMISANO (ROSALIA3 RINI, NICOLO2,
VINCENZO1) was born 28 May 1858 in Termini Imerese
Sicily34, and died 15 Aug 1909 in Omaha Nebraska.  He
married ANNA AMATO 03 Oct 1892 in Lincoln Nebraska,
daughter of IGNAZIO AMATO and CARMELLA UNKNOWN.  She
was born Abt. 1872 in Italy.
	
Children of AGOSTINO PALMISANO and ANNA AMATO are:
30.	i.	PETER ANTHONY5 PALMESANO, b. 24 Apr 1894,
Lincoln Nebraska; d. 21 Apr 1982, Omaha Nebraska.
31.	ii.	ROSE MARIE PALMESANO, b. 14 Feb 1896, Lincoln
Nebraska; d. 26 Aug 1957, Omaha Nebraska.
32.	iii.	IGNATIUS "WILLIAM" A. PALMESANO, b. 20 Dec
1897, St Louis Missouri; d. 06 Jun 1976, Omaha
Nebraska.
	iv.	RUSSELL EDWARD PALMESANO, b. 10 Mar 1900, Omaha
Nebraska; d. 25 Aug 1935, Omaha Nebraska.
33.	v.	CARMELLA HELEN PALMESANO, b. 22 Jun 1902, Omaha
Nebraska; d. 21 Feb 1999, Omaha, Douglas County,
Nebraska.
34.	vi.	MARGARET MARIE PALMISANO, b. 23 May 1904,
Omaha Nebraska; d. 01 Aug 1986, Omaha Nebraska.
35.	vii.	AUGUST NICHOLAS PALMESANO, b. 07 Sep 1905,
Omaha Nebraska; d. 07 Dec 2003, Omaha, Nebraska.
36.	viii.	JOSEPH JAMES PALMESANO, b. 01 Jul 1907,
Omaha Nebraska; d. 25 Jan 1974, Omaha Nebraska.
37.	ix.	ANTHONY JAMES PALMESANO, b. 22 Apr 1909, Omaha
Nebraska; d. 31 Dec 1992, Omaha Nebraska.


13.  ANTONIA4 PALMISANO (ROSALIA3 RINI, NICOLO2,
VINCENZO1) was born 30 Dec 1864 in Termini Imerese,
Sicily35, and died 27 Mar 1941 in Omaha Nebraska.  She
married CONSTANTINO SCARPELLINO 08 Jan 1890 in Lincoln
Nebraska.  He was born 20 May 1861 in Formia, Gaeta
Italy, and died 14 Oct 1918 in Lincoln Nebraska.

Children of ANTONIA PALMISANO and CONSTANTINO
SCARPELLINO are:
38.	i.	MARY5 SCARPELLINO, b. 30 Mar 1891, Lincoln
Nebraska; d. 14 Jan 1915, Lincoln Nebraska.
39.	ii.	ROSE SCARPELLINO, b. 25 Dec 1896, Lincoln,
Lancaster County, Nebraska; d. 18 May 1954, Omaha,
Douglas County, Nebraska.
40.	iii.	JOSEPH F. SCARPELLINO, b. 22 Aug 1899,
Lincoln, Lancaster County, Nebraska; d. 01 Jan 1977.
41.	iv.	MARGARET CATHERINE SCARPELLINO, b. 22 Oct
1902, Lincoln, Lancaster County, Nebraska; d. 10 Apr
1976, Glendora, Los Angeles County, California.

14.  ANTONIO4 RINI (AGOSTINO NICOLO3, NICOLO2,
VINCENZO1) was born 31 May 1860 in Termini Imerese
Sicily.  He married DOMENICA ARGENTO in Termini
Imerese Sicily.  

Children of ANTONIO RINI and DOMENICA ARGENTO are:
	i.	ROSA5 RINI, m. UNKNOWN PUSATERI.
42.	ii.	MARIA (MARY) RINI, b. Abt. 1893, Termini
Imerese Sicily; d. Nov 1990, Cleveland, Cuyahoga
County, Ohio.
	iii.	ANTONIA (LENA) RINI, b. Abt. 1900, Termini
Imerese Sicily; d. Apr 2000, Cleveland, Cuyahoga
County, Ohio.


15.  NICOLO (CHARLES)4 RINI (AGOSTINO NICOLO3,
NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was born 26 May 1863 in Termini
Imerese Sicily36, and died 24 Jan 1938 in Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio.  He married ROSALIA CAPODICE 28
Mar 1892 in Termini Imerese Sicily37.  She died Feb
1952 in Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio.

Children of NICOLO RINI and ROSALIA CAPODICE are:
	i.	MARY5 RINI, b. 26 Feb 1893, Termini Imerese
Sicily; d. 11 Mar 1919, Cleveland, Cuyahoga County,
Ohio.
43.	ii.	SARAH RINI, b. 10 May 1895, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio; d. Apr 1973, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
	iii.	AUGUST RINI, b. Abt. 1898, Cleveland, Cuyahoga
County, Ohio; d. 11 Apr 1924, Cleveland, Cuyahoga
County, Ohio.
	iv.	MARTIN RINI, b. 29 Mar 1901, Cleveland, Cuyahoga
County, Ohio; d. 24 Aug 1994, Cleveland, Cuyahoga
County, Ohio; m. GRACE PROVENZANO; b. 19 Dec 1906; d.
11 Jun 1990, Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
	v.	CARMELA (MILLIE) RINI, b. 30 Sep 1904, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio; d. 25 May 1922, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
	vi.	ANTHONY RINI, b. 22 Nov 1905, Cleveland, Cuyahoga
County, Ohio; d. 26 Dec 1996, Rocky Rive, Cuyahoga
County, Ohio; m. LAVELLE HILL; b. 14 Mar 1903; d. Dec
1980, Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
	vii.	ANTONINA RINI, b. 23 Mar 1908, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio; d. Oct 1980, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
	viii.	ROSE RINI, b. Abt. 1911, Cleveland, Cuyahoga
County, Ohio; m. MARTIN RINI.
44.	ix.	MICHAEL RINI, b. 14 Jun 1912, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio; d. Jan 1987, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
45.	x.	JOSEPHINE RINI, b. 09 Feb 1914, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio; d. Mar 1986, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio.


16.  LIBORIO (LEO)4 RINI (AGOSTINO NICOLO3, NICOLO2,
VINCENZO1) was born Abt. 1874 in Termini Imerese
Sicily, and died Bef. 1951.  He married FRANCES
MERCURIO 09 Feb 1897 in Termini Imerese Sicily.  She
died 19 Sep 1952 in Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio.

Children of LIBORIO RINI and FRANCES MERCURIO are:
	i.	AUGUST5 RINI, b. 28 Apr 1900, Cleveland, Cuyahoga
County, Ohio; d. 15 Mar 1947, Cleveland, Cuyahoga
County, Ohio.
	ii.	MARY RINI, b. 12 Jul 1902, Cleveland, Cuyahoga
County, Ohio; d. 08 Jun 1917, Cleveland, Cuyahoga
County, Ohio.
46.	iii.	ANTONIA (ANNETTE) RINI, b. 27 Nov 1905,
Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio; d. Sep 1975, Maple
Heights, Cuyahoga County, Ohio.

17.  VINCENT JAMES (AGOSTINO)4 RINI (AGOSTINO NICOLO3,
NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was born 24 Jun 1883 in Termini
Imerese Sicily, and died 18 Nov 1941 in Rochester New
York.  He married IGNAZIA (AGNES) GRAZIANO 20 Sep 1896
in Termini Imerese Sicily.  She was born Bet. 1876 -
1882, and died 20 Feb 1957 in Rochester New York.
	
Children of VINCENT RINI and IGNAZIA GRAZIANO are:
	i.	AGNES5 RINI, d. Bef. 1996; m. KENNETH DUANE.
	ii.	JEAN ROSE RINI, d. Bef. 1966; m. SAMUEL BONDI.
	iii.	VINCENT JAMES RINI, d. Bef. 1996.
	iv.	AUGUST RINI, b. Abt. 1896; d. May 1960, Rochester
New York.

More About AUGUST RINI:
Burial: 25 May 1960, Holy Sepulchre Cemetery Rochester
NY Sect SO 22 Lot T06 Grave DB 231

	v.	MARIE RINI, b. 11 Jan 1903; d. 04 Dec 1996,
Rochester, Monroe County, NY; m. THOMAS FRANCIS
MASCARI; b. 09 Dec 1908, Rochester, Monroe County, NY;
d. 23 Apr 1985, Rochester New York.

	vi.	SAMUEL RINI RINI, b. Abt. 1906; d. Apr 1962,
Rochester New York.

More About SAMUEL RINI RINI:
Burial: 21 Apr 1962, Holy Sepulchre Cemetery Rochester
NY Sect SO 22 Lot T06 Grave DB 23R

Generation No. 5

18.  FRANCESCA5 RINI (NICOLO AGOSTINO4, SALVADORE3,
NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was born 13 Dec 1884 in Palermo
Sicily, and died 09 Oct 1955 in Marion County Indiana.
 She married MICHAEL MASCARI in Marion County Indiana.
 He was born 07 Sep 1872.

	
Children of FRANCESCA RINI and MICHAEL MASCARI are:
	i.	JOSEPHINE6 MASCARI, b. 31 Aug 1901, Marion County
Indiana; m. GIUSEPPE SIGRETO, 18 Oct 1922, Marion
County Indiana.

	ii.	PROVIDENCE MASCARI, b. 04 Oct 1904, Marion County
Indiana; d. 28 Jan 1996, Marion County Indiana; m.
ANTHONY SANSONE, 14 Jun 1922, Marion County Indiana.


19.  SALVATORE (SAM)5 RINI (NICOLO AGOSTINO4,
SALVADORE3, NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was born 25 Dec 1885
in Termini Imerese Sicily, and died 18 Apr 1940 in
Marion County Indiana.  He married (1) MARIA GIARDINA
23 Oct 1907 in Marion County Indiana.    He married
(2) CONCETTA RE Dec 1923 in Marion County Indiana.  

Children of SALVATORE RINI and MARIA GIARDINA are:
	i.	NICHOLAS6 RENE, b. 22 Oct 1910, Marion County
Indiana; d. 16 Oct 1998, Marion County Indiana; m.
LENA MARIE DEMORE, May 1934, Marion County Indiana.
	ii.	PAUL ANTHONY RENE, b. 29 Jun 1912, Marion County
Indiana; d. 21 Sep 1981, Marion County Indiana.
	iii.	FRANK P RENE, b. 30 Dec 1919, Marion County
Indiana; m. MARY ELIZABETH KITCHELL, 27 Oct 1947,
Marion County Indiana.
	
Children of SALVATORE RINI and CONCETTA RE are:
	iv.	ANTHONY J6 RENE, b. 30 Nov 1924, Marion County
Indiana; d. 02 Sep 1998, Marion County Indiana.
	v.	SALVATORE RENE, b. 30 Sep 1927, Marion County
Indiana; m. LORETTA KASPER, 30 May 1951, Marion County
Indiana.
	vi.	JOSEPH LEONARD RENE, b. 14 Jun 1930, Marion
County Indiana; d. 10 Sep 1954, Marion County Indiana;
m. CONSTANCE MARIE NAVARRA, 02 Sep 1951, Marion County
Indiana.

20.  FRANCESCA5 RINI (ANTONIO4, SALVADORE3, NICOLO2,
VINCENZO1) was born 19 May 1887 in Termini Imerese
Sicily, and died 19 Feb 1957 in Shaker Heights Ohio. 
She married PAULO TAORIMINA 09 Sep 1906 in Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County,  Ohio.  

More About PAULO TAORIMINA and FRANCESCA RINI:
Marriage: 09 Sep 1906, Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, 
Ohio
	
Children of FRANCESCA RINI and PAULO TAORIMINA are:
	i.	ANGELA6 TARMINA, b. 12 Oct 1907, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio; d. 23 Jul 1928, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
	ii.	MICHELINA TARMINA, b. 19 Jul 1909; m. ALFONSO
MARINO, 09 Sep 1930, Cleveland Ohio.
	iii.	JOHN TARMINA, b. Abt. 1912, Cleveland, Cuyahoga
County, Ohio; d. Aug 1983, Cleveland, Cuyahoga County,
Ohio; m. LOUISE CONCAR.
47.	iv.	TONY TARMINA, b. 15 Jun 1913, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio; d. May 1986, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
48.	v.	SALVATORE LOUIS TARMINA, b. 23 Mar 1917,
Cleveland Ohio; d. 03 Feb 1981, Cleveland Ohio.
	vi.	MAMIE TARMINA, b. 12 Sep 1924, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio; m. PATRICK FELICIANO.


21.  LOUIS SALVATORE5 RINI (ANTONIO4, SALVADORE3,
NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was born 26 Jun 1891 in Cleveland
Ohio, and died 15 Sep 1957 in Lakewood, Cuyahoga
County,  Ohio.  He married ANNA ZINGALE 04 Oct 1920 in
Cleveland Ohio, daughter of FRANK ZINGALE and MARIA
SORCI.  She died Aft. 15 Sep 1957.

Children of LOUIS RINI and ANNA ZINGALE are:
	i.	MICHELA (MARGARET)6 RINI, b. 08 Aug 1922.
	ii.	MARY ROSE RINI, b. 06 Oct 1924, Cleveland Ohio;
d. 18 Mar 1985, Cleveland Ohio.


	iii.	FRANCES RINI, b. 15 Feb 1927, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio; d. 25 Mar 1927, Cleveland,
Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
	iv.	ANGELINE RINI, b. 08 Aug 1928, Cleveland Ohio; d.
16 Oct 2000, Cleveland Ohio.
49.	v.	ANTHONY SALVATORE RINI, b. 23 Feb 1931,
Cleveland Ohio.
50.	vi.	FRANK S RINI, b. 13 Jul 1934, Cleveland Ohio;
d. 26 Sep 1976, Los Angeles County California.


22.  JOSEPH THOMAS5 RINI (ANTONIO4, SALVADORE3,
NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was born 17 Jun 1895 in Cleveland
Ohio, and died 09 Jan 1972 in Lakewood, Cuyahoga
County,  Ohio.  He married MADALINE KABAT 19 Aug 1920
in Cleveland Ohio.  She was born 02 May 1903, and died
Mar 1981 in Lakewood , Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
	
Children of JOSEPH RINI and MADALINE KABAT are:
51.	i.	MAMIE ELIZABETH6 RINI, b. 11 Jun 1921, Berea,
Ohio; d. 21 Sep 2000, Solon, Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
52.	ii.	AGNES LUCILLE RINI, b. 21 May 1923, Cleveland
Ohio.
53.	iii.	ANTHONY JOSEPH RINI, b. 20 Jul 1927,
Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio.


23.  NICHOLAS JOSEPH5 RINI (ANTONIO4, SALVADORE3,
NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was born 06 Sep 1902 in Cleveland
Ohio, and died 10 Nov 1983 in Cleveland Ohio.  He
married DOROTHY VIRGINIA FILIPIC Sep 1933 in Cleveland
Ohio, daughter of JACK FILIPIC and MARGARET OTOCIC. 
She was born 06 Mar 1910 in Remainder of the World
Hospital, and died 02 Apr 1995 in Cleveland, Cuyahoga
County, Ohio.

Children of NICHOLAS RINI and DOROTHY FILIPIC are:
	i.	CONSTANCE6 RINI.
	ii.	CAMILLE RINI.


24.  CHARLES THOMAS5 RINI (ANTONIO4, SALVADORE3,
NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was born 08 Apr 1905 in Cleveland
Ohio, and died 27 Mar 1976 in Newbury Park, Ventura
County, California.  He married ANGELINE LICATA.  She
was born 01 May 1917 in Cleveland Ohio, and died 19
Nov 1978 in Thousand Oaks, Ventura County, California.
	
Children of CHARLES RINI and ANGELINE LICATA are:
	i.	ANTHONY CHARLES6 RINI, b. 20 Jul 1937.
	ii.	JO ANN RINI, b. 06 Mar 1945.
	iii.	MICHAEL JOSEPH RINI, b. 13 Aug 1948.




From erinsmom at gmail.com  Fri Oct 27 03:56:44 2006
From: erinsmom at gmail.com (erinsmom)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:56:44 -0500
Subject: [TI] name not on the database
In-Reply-To: <anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.75$.017c01c6f94c$a72aab60$4a9a50ce@DJZBSK81>
References: <135790bb0610261330p4a7024c8n32fc724c48b9a9af@mail.gmail.com>
	<anniegoe%40fyi.net$206.80.154.75$.017c01c6f94c$a72aab60$4a9a50ce@DJZBSK81>
Message-ID: <135790bb0610261756s65eba4aby6c364005bfef6f1a@mail.gmail.com>

Ann,
What story is that? I guess I am not following you.
Franciene

On 10/26/06, anniegoe <anniegoe at fyi.net> wrote:
> Franciene, When you come to Pittsburgh call me.
> Should we tell them the story about the cemetery?
> Ann
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "erinsmom" <erinsmom at gmail.com>
> To: <TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:30 PM
> Subject: [TI] name not on the database
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> > I have a quandry relating to a distant cousin. My great uncle
> > Francesco Iannarino married Lucia Vigli in Termini Imerese in 1906. I
> > have obtained from Laura a copy of the original marriage document --
> > thank you Laura. These documents are such treasures.
> >
> > Lucia's parents were "Ignoti" although she may have been living with
> > other relatives of my family. Lucia, according to the records, was
> > born in Palermo. According to the story Lucia told her children --
> > Lucia's mother abandoned her at birth since she was born out of
> > wedlock -- I guess we would say illegitimate. Lucia was raised by
> > another family and after she was grown was given an opportunity to
> > meet her birth mother but declined saying that her adoptive mother was
> > her real mother.
> >
> > My question is this -- is it possible to find something about Lucia's
> > birth mother without going to Italy? Are there websites that might
> > list some of the names of adopted children? Would the Vigli name be
> > the name of the birth mother? If Lucia were raised by another family
> > other than her own, would it be common for her to retain her birth
> > mother's name? Or more likely that she had been given the name of the
> > adoptive parents?
> >
> > I will be visiting with Lucia's daughter in the next couple of weeks.
> > The daughter is in her 90's and knows little about her mom except what
> > I have told you. I will show the daughter the original marriage
> > document for her parents but would love to be able to tell her more
> > about her mom. Any suggestions that anyone has would be appreciated.
> >
> > Franciene McDonald
> >
> > --
> > Meet my amazing Italian American family: go to http://www.iannarino.us.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
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From corielind at msn.com  Fri Oct 27 05:25:25 2006
From: corielind at msn.com (Corie Lindemann)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:25:25 -0500
Subject: [TI] Scolaro - Calcagno
References: <6340069.1161798986893.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml04.mgt.cox.net>
Message-ID: <BAY108-DAV2C26AB6B9B2DA718D5892B8040@phx.gbl>

Dom,
I have Antonino Scolaro and Maria Anna Piraino on my tree. Their daughter 
Antonina is my 3rd great grandaunt (or wife of my granduncle). She married 
Nicolo Bondi, my 3rd great granduncle, brother of Lorenzo Bondi, my 3rd 
great grandfather.
No blood relation, but I think that makes us shoestring relatives of some 
sort anyway!

Corie Lindemann




----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dfg353 at cox.net>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Scolaro - Calcagno


> Hi Gloria,
>
> We've talked in the past about Battaglia and Giuffre relations, but this 
> dialogue regarding Scolaro/Calcagno grabbed my attention because I am 
> related to folks with both these names.
>
> My mom talked about Calcagno cousins that came to visit her parents in 
> Bayonne NJ in the 1930's. Two brothers, Frank and August Calcagno from Oak 
> Park, IL.
>
> Frank and August were sons of Marino Calcagno and Domenica Scolaro.
>
> I see a marriage record in the TI database for Marino and Domenica for 
> 1891.
>
> Domenica Scolaro was the daughter of Antonino Scolaro and Rosalia 
> Satariano.
>
> First, I'll list Domenica's 'Scolaro' (father's) side:
>
> Antonino Scolaro was the son of Agostino Scolaro and Domenica Giuffre.
>
> Agostino was the son of Antonino Scolaro and Maria Ann Piraino
>
> I am connected to Domenica Scolaro in two ways:
>
> She was a first cousin to my maternal Grandmother (Vincenza Pace 
> Battaglia)
> because their mothers were sisters (Rosalia Satariano and Vincenza 
> Satariano).
>
> She was also a second cousin to Grandma Vincenza Pace Battaglia because 
> their fathers were first cousins (Antonino Scolaro was first cousin to 
> Giuseppe Pace, Grandma's father).  Antonino's mother, Domenica Giuffre was 
> sister to Giuseppe Pace's mother, Benedetta Giuffre.
>
> Phew!  This even seems confusing to me!
>
> I really need to start adding entries to the personal database.
>
> Dom Guagenti
> Va Beach, VA
>
> ---- Gloria Otto <gotto at ameritech.net> wrote:
> > No probleme! Thanks. My cousin would like some information on her 
> > Calcagno
> > ggrandfather. I should correct that to half cousin except I never knew 
> > she
> > was only a half cousin until a few years ago!!! That Calcagno sure looks
> > like my half aunt - half aunt sounds a little silly............Thanks 
> > again.
> >
> > Gloria
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
> > [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Larie
> > Tedesco
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 4:50 AM
> > To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> > Subject: Re: [TI] Scolaro - Calcagno
> >
> > Sorry Gloria, I just saw this email this morning.  As
> > of now I do not see a Scolaro married to a Calcagno.
> > Of course there is a lot not posted to the Calcagno's.
> >      I have a few Scolaro's though,
> > Anastasia Scolaro died 1830 daughter of Antonino
> > Scolaro and Agata Gerardi married a Giuseppe Culotta.
> >
> > Also another daughter of Antonino Scolaro and Agata
> > Gerardi -  Maria Anna Scolaro married Agostino
> > Palotta-Piazza.  Agostino's parents were Antonino
> > Palotta-Piazza and Francesca Aglieri-Rinella sister of
> > my gggrandmother Maria Aglieri-Rinella died about 1830
> >  that married Giuseppe Tedesco.  Don't have too much
> > more info posted on the Scolaro's.
> > Larie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Gloria Otto <gotto at ameritech.net> wrote:
> >
> > > -----Original Message--From: Gloria Otto
> > > [mailto:gotto at ameritech.net] Sent:
> > > Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:28 PM
> > >  Larie, the Calcagno's in the family photo resemble
> > > my Dad's half sister,
> > > Josephine Calcagno. Her father was Giuseppe
> > > Calcagno. All I know about him
> > > is in the marriage record-Giuseppe Calcagno married
> > > Teresa Scolaro Feb 04,
> > > 1888 in TI. He died the same year before their first
> > > child was born. He was
> > > kicked in the head by a mule. Teresa was b: Sep 05,
> > > 1867 in TI d: Mar 06,
> > > 1946 in Toronto, Ohio Father: Salvatore Scolaro
> > > Mother: Rosaria Scolaro
> > > 2014483 62 Matrimonio. Teresa was my grandmother.
> > > Thanks so much for
> > > posting.
> > >
> > > Gloria
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
> >
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From pjcaito at frontiernet.net  Fri Oct 27 07:24:23 2006
From: pjcaito at frontiernet.net (Paul  J. Caito)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:24:23 -0400
Subject: [TI] To Paul Caito and Tony Rini  - Rini Family Tree
References: <20061027001950.34431.qmail@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005001c6f97f$c8b66fc0$6401a8c0@frontiernet.net>

Hi Kim,

You already have my line incorporated into your tree.  Your family
members married my family of Mascari's and Rini's that you have listed
in the Rochester, NY area.  Unfortunately, my connection to these
Mascari's happens about two generations above where they married into
your family tree, so you and I don't share any common ancestors.  You
have everything that I have already.

Paul

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kim Sansone" <kimsansone at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Termini Website" <Terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:19 PM
Subject: [TI] To Paul Caito and Tony Rini - Rini Family Tree


> Paul and Tony,
>
> I have many Rini's in my tree.   Barb Jenkins sent me
> her line and I haven't been able to find a connection,
> at least not yet, but she said that you both have more
> information on additional Rini lines.  I know I am
> related to Mike Rini.
>
> I was wondering if you wouldn't mind sending me a copy
> of your genealogy reports for your Rini's to see if we
> can find a connection.  kimsansone at sbcglobal.net
>
> Here is a portion of my Rini tree.
>
> Descendants of Vincenzo Rini
>
>
> Generation No. 1
>
> 1.  VINCENZO1 RINI  He married CARMELA CORRAO.
>
> Child of VINCENZO RINI and CARMELA CORRAO is:
> 2. i. NICOLO2 RINI, b. Abt. 1784, Termini Imerese
> Sicily; d. 26 Jun 1834, Termini Imerese Sicily.
>
>
> Generation No. 2
>
> 2.  NICOLO2 RINI (VINCENZO1) was born Abt. 1784 in
> Termini Imerese Sicily, and died 26 Jun 1834 in
> Termini Imerese Sicily1.  He married ANTONIA SCHIAVO,
> daughter of VINCENZO SCHIAVO and CARMELA SCALISI.  She
> was born Abt. 1792 in Termini Imerese Sicily, and died
> 30 Nov 1841 in Termini Imerese Sicily.
>
> Children of NICOLO RINI and ANTONIA SCHIAVO are:
> i. GIOVANNI3 RINI, b. 04 Jul 1826, Termini Imerese
> Sicily; d. 07 Jul 1826, Termini Imerese Sicily.
> 3. ii. CARMELA RINI, b. Abt. 1807, Termini Imerese
> Sicily; d. 15 Aug 1898, Termini Imerese Sicily.
> 4. iii. VINCENZA RINI, b. Abt. 1819, Termini Imerese
> Sicily.
> 5. iv. SALVADORE RINI, b. Abt. 1820, Termini Imerese
> Sicily.
> 6. v. ROSALIA RINI, b. 12 Oct 1823, Termini Imerese
> Sicily; d. 13 Mar 1883, Termini Imerese Sicily. (my
> line)
> vi. ANNA RINI, b. 05 Jul 1826, Termini Imerese
> Sicily2.
> 7. vii. AGOSTINO NICOLO RINI, b. 03 Aug 1830, Termini
> Imerese Sicily; d. 11 Apr 1894, #2 Via Gandalfo,
> Termini Imerese Sicily.
>
>
> Generation No. 3
>
> 3.  CARMELA3 RINI (NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was born Abt.
> 1807 in Termini Imerese Sicily, and died 15 Aug 1898
> in Termini Imerese Sicily3.  She married ANDREA
> GALLUZZO 01 Feb 1836 in Termini Imerese Sicily4, son
> of ANTONINO GALLUZZO and MARIA CRISANTI.  He was born
> Abt. 1780 in Termini Imerese Sicily, and died Bef.
> 1898 in Termini Imerese Sicily.
>
> More About ANDREA GALLUZZO and CARMELA RINI:
> Marriage: 01 Feb 1836, Termini Imerese Sicily4
>
> Children of CARMELA RINI and ANDREA GALLUZZO are:
> i. ANDREA4 GALLUZZO, d. 15 Aug 1839, Termini Imerese
> Sicily.
> ii. ANDREA GALLUZZO, d. 25 Mar 1837, Termini Imerese
> Sicily.
> iii. GIUSEPPE GALLUZZO, b. 07 Dec 1836; d. 25 Mar
> 1837, Termini Imerese Sicily.
> iv. GIUSEPPE GALLUZZO, d. 15 Aug 1839, Termini
> Imerese Sicily.
> v. ANTONINO GALLUZZO, b. 16 Apr 1839, Termini
> Imerese Sicily5.
> vi. ANTONINA GALLUZZO, b. 10 Jun 1840, Termini
> Imerese Sicily6; m. GIOVANNI CAMPAGNA, 08 Jan 1884,
> Termini Imerese Sicily.
> 8. vii. ROSALIA GALLUZZO, b. 26 Jan 1843, Termini
> Imerese Sicily.
> viii. ANTONIA GALLUZZO, b. 16 Dec 1845.
>
>
> 4.  VINCENZA3 RINI (NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was born Abt.
> 1819 in Termini Imerese Sicily.  She married DIEGO
> MORMINO 12 Oct 1839 in Termini Imerese Sicily, son of
> CARMELO MORMINO and MARIA PALMISANO.
>
>
> Children of VINCENZA RINI and DIEGO MORMINO are:
> i. AGOSTINA4 MORMINO, b. 28 Feb 1840; d. 04 Jun 1840.
> ii. AGOSTINA MORMINO, b. 14 May 1849, Termini Imerese
> Sicily7; m. MATTEO LOPRESTI, 12 Feb 1876, Termini
> Imerese Sicily.
> iii. MARIA MORMINO, b. 22 Nov 1852, Termini Imerese
> Sicily.
> iv. LORENZO MORMINO, b. 09 Aug 1858, Termini Imerese
> Sicily8; d. 13 Oct 1859, Termini  Imerese Sicily9.
>
> 5.  SALVADORE3 RINI (NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was born Abt.
> 1820 in Termini Imerese Sicily.  He married FRANCESCA
> CIANCIOLO 12 Oct 1845 in Termini Imerese Sicily10,
> daughter of GUGHELMO CIANCIOLO and MARGARITA ZODIA.
> She was born 19 Oct 1823 in Termini Imerese Sicily.
>
> Children of SALVADORE RINI and FRANCESCA CIANCIOLO
> are:
> i. ANTONINA4 RINI, b. 15 Jun 1846.
> 9. ii. NICOLO AGOSTINO RINI, b. 15 May 1849, Termini
> Imerese Sicily.
> iii. ANTONINO RINI, b. 02 Jul 1851, Termini Imerese
> Sicily11.
> 10. iv. ANTONIO RINI, b. 02 Jul 1852, Termini Imerese
> Sicily; d. 28 Aug 1920, Cleveland, Cuyahoga County,
> Ohio.
> v. MARGHERITA RINI, b. 07 Oct 1853.
> vi. GIUSEPPE RINI, b. 27 Feb 1856.
> vii. CARMELO RINI, b. 20 Oct 1858, Termini Imerese
> Sicily12.
> viii. MARIA RINI13, b. 10 Nov 1861; m. GIOVANNI
> SANSONE-ZODIA, 11 Feb 1888, Termini Imerese Sicily.
> ix. FRANCESCA RINI, b. 02 May 1864, Termini Imerese
> Sicily14.
>
>
> This is my line:
> 6.  ROSALIA3 RINI (NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was born 12 Oct
> 1823 in Termini Imerese Sicily, and died 13 Mar 1883
> in Termini Imerese Sicily.  She married PIETRO
> PALMISANO 14 Sep 1850 in Termini Imerese Sicily15, son
> of ROSARIO PALMISANO and MICHIELA CORSO.  He was born
> Abt. 1815 in Termini Imerese Sicily, and died Aft.
> 1864 in Termini Imerese Sicily.
>
> Children of ROSALIA RINI and PIETRO PALMISANO are:
> i. ROSARIO4 PALMISANO, b. 22 May 1853, Termini
> Imerese Sicily; d. 27 May 1853, Termini Imerese
> Sicily16.
> ii. ROSARIO PALMISANO, b. 13 Aug 1854, Termini
> Imerese Sicily17; d. 17 Aug 1854, Termini Imerese
> Sicily.
> 11. iii. MICHELA PALMISANO, b. 19 Dec 1855, Termini
> Imerese Sicily; d. 16 Oct 1931, Lincoln General
> Hospital - Lincoln NE. (my gr gr grandmother)
> 12. iv. AGOSTINO PALMISANO, b. 28 May 1858, Termini
> Imerese Sicily; d. 15 Aug 1909, Omaha Nebraska.
> 13. v. ANTONIA PALMISANO, b. 30 Dec 1864, Termini
> Imerese, Sicily; d. 27 Mar 1941, Omaha Nebraska.
> vi. ROSARIO SALVATORE PALMISANO, b. 18 Jun 1862,
> Termini Imerese Sicily.
>
>
> 7.  AGOSTINO NICOLO3 RINI (NICOLO2, VINCENZO1) was
> born 03 Aug 1830 in Termini Imerese Sicily18, and died
> 11 Apr 1894 in #2 Via Gandalfo, Termini Imerese
> Sicily19.  He married MARIA CULOTTA 10 Jan 1857 in
> Termini Imerese Sicily20, daughter of ANTONINO CULOTTA
> and CARMELA BISESI.  She was born 16 Nov 1840 in
> Termini Imerese Sicily, and died Aft. 1894.
>
> Children of AGOSTINO RINI and MARIA CULOTTA are:
> i. NICOLO4 RINI, b. 22 Jan 1859, Termini Imerese
> Sicily21; d. 05 Feb 1859, Termini Imerese Sicily.
> 14. ii. ANTONIO RINI, b. 31 May 1860, Termini Imerese
> Sicily.
> 15. iii. NICOLO (CHARLES) RINI, b. 26 May 1863,
> Termini Imerese Sicily; d. 24 Jan 1938, Cleveland,
> Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
> iv. VINCENZO RINI, b. 23 Jul 1865, Termini Imerese
> Sicily22.
> v. ANTONIA RINI, b. Abt. 1868; m. ANTONINO LONGO, 01
> Feb 1892, Termini Imerese Sicily23.
> vi. AGOSTINO RINI, b. 27 May 1873, Termini Imerese
> Sicily24; m. IGNAZIA GRAZIANO, 24 Oct 1894, Termini
> Imerese Sicily.
> 16. vii. LIBORIO (LEO) RINI, b. Abt. 1874, Termini
> Imerese Sicily; d. Bef. 1951.
> viii. VINCENZO RINI, b. 26 Jun 1877, Termini Imerese
> Sicily25.
> 17. ix. VINCENT JAMES (AGOSTINO) RINI, b. 24 Jun 1883,
> Termini Imerese Sicily; d. 18 Nov 1941, Rochester New
> York.
>
>
> Generation No. 4
>
> 8.  ROSALIA4 GALLUZZO (CARMELA3 RINI, NICOLO2,
> VINCENZO1) was born 26 Jan 1843 in Termini Imerese
> Sicily.  She married PIETRO TERESI 30 Nov 1861 in
> Termini Imerese Sicily26.
>
> Child of ROSALIA GALLUZZO and PIETRO TERESI is:
> i. GIUSEPPE5 TERESI, b. 08 May 1865, Termini Imerese
> Sicily27.
>
> 9.  NICOLO AGOSTINO4 RINI (SALVADORE3, NICOLO2,
> VINCENZO1) was born 15 May 1849 in Termini Imerese
> Sicily28.  He married (1) CATERINA IANNARINO 16 Dec
> 1879 in Termini Imerese Sicily, daughter of GIUSEPPE
> IANNARINO and BIAGGIA MANTIA.    He married (2)
> VINCENZA(FRANCES) GIARDINA 20 Apr 1883 in Termini
> Imerese Sicily, daughter of MICHELE GIARDINA and
> MAGGIE DEMMA.
>
> Children of NICOLO RINI and VINCENZA(FRANCES) GIARDINA
> are:
> 18. i. FRANCESCA5 RINI, b. 13 Dec 1884, Palermo
> Sicily; d. 09 Oct 1955, Marion County Indiana.
> 19. ii. SALVATORE (SAM) RINI, b. 25 Dec 1885, Termini
> Imerese Sicily; d. 18 Apr 1940, Marion County Indiana.
> iii. MARGHERITA (MARY) RINI, b. 25 Oct 1891, Termini
> Imerese Sicily; d. Mar 1996, Marion County Indiana; m.
> MICHAEL GIARDINA, 22 Jul 1908, Marion County Indiana;
> b. 28 Dec 1886, Marion County Indiana.
>
> 10.  ANTONIO4 RINI (SALVADORE3, NICOLO2, VINCENZO1)
> was born 02 Jul 1852 in Termini Imerese Sicily, and
> died 28 Aug 1920 in Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
> He married MICHELINA RINI 31 Jan 1885 in Termini
> Imerese Sicily, daughter of JOSEPH RINI and GIROLOMA
> BATTAGLIA.  She was born 21 Mar 1868 in Termini
> Imerese Sicily, and died 26 Oct 1942 in Cleveland,
> Cuyahoga County, Ohio.
>
> Children of ANTONIO RINI and MICHELINA RINI are:
> 20. i. FRANCESCA5 RINI, b. 19 May 1887, Termini
> Imerese Sicily; d. 19 Feb 1957, Shaker Heights Ohio.
> 21. ii. LOUIS SALVATORE RINI, b. 26 Jun 1891,
> Cleveland Ohio; d. 15 Sep 1957, Lakewood, Cuyahoga
> County,  Ohio.
> iii. JOSEPH RINI, b. 18 Feb 1894, Cleveland Ohio; d.
> 08 Apr 1894, Cleveland Ohio.
> iv. MARY RINI, b. 18 Feb 1894, Cleveland Ohio; d. 28
> Sep 1894, Cleveland Ohio.
> 22. v. JOSEPH THOMAS RINI, b. 17 Jun 1895, Cleveland
> Ohio; d. 09 Jan 1972, Lakewood, Cuyahoga County,
> Ohio.
> vi. NICHOLAS RINI, b. 04 Apr 1898, Cleveland Ohio; d.
> 19 Sep 1898, Cleveland Ohio.
> vii. MAMIE E RINI, b. 20 Aug 1899, Cleveland Ohio; d.
> 04 Aug 1917, Cleveland Ohio.
> 23. viii. NICHOLAS JOSEPH RINI, b. 06 Sep 1902,
> Cleveland Ohio; d. 10 Nov 1983, Cleveland Ohio.
> 24. ix. CHARLES THOMAS RINI, b. 08 Apr 1905, Cleveland
> Ohio; d. 27 Mar 1976, Newbury Park, Ventura County,
> California.
>
>
> 11.  MICHELA4 PALMISANO (ROSALIA3 RINI, NICOLO2,
> VINCENZO1) was born 19 Dec 1855 in Termini Imerese
> Sicily29, and died 16 Oct 1931 in Lincoln General
> Hospital - Lincoln NE30.  She married PIETRO CATALANO
> 27 Jan 1878 in Termini Imerese Sicily, son of IGNAZIO
> CATALANO and MARIA RIZZO.  He was born 06 Jan 1853 in
> Termini Imerese Sicily, and died 25 Jan 1926 in 614 St
> 19th Street Lincoln Nebraska31.
>
> Children of MICHELA PALMISANO and PIETRO CATALANO are:
> 25. i. MARIA5 CATALANO, b. 27 Jan 1878, Termini
> Imerese Sicily; d. 19 Jul 1933, Beatrice Nebraska.
> 26. ii. ROSALIA CATALANO, b. 24 Jan 1881, #? Via Remo
> Termini Imerese Sicily; d. 07 Oct 1966, DePaul
> Hospital St Louis Missouri. (my gr grandmother)
> 27. iii. ANNA CATALANO, b. 09 Aug 1883, #36 Via
> Mascari Termini Imerese Sicily; d. Aft. 1930.
> iv. ASSUNTA MARIA CATALANO, b. 09 Aug 1883, #36 Via
> Mascari Termini Imerese Sicily32; d. 01 Sep 1883,
> Termini Imerese Sicily33.
> v. WILLIAM I CATALANO, b. 05 May 1886, Nebraska; d.
> 01 May 1973, St Louis Missouri; m. (1) UNKNOWN CARTER,
> Bef. 1930; m. (2) ANNA BALSAMO, Aft. 1930; b. Abt.
> 1900, St Louis Missouri; d. 10 Apr 1960, St Louis
> Missouri.
> 28. vi. ANTONINA (LENA) CATALANO, b. 08 Mar 1888, St
> Joseph Missouri; d. 29 Dec 1958, Lincoln Nebraska.
> 29. vii. PROVVIDENZA (PEARL) CATALANO, b. 20 Jun 1891,
> Lincoln, Lancaster County, Nebraska; d. 23 Nov 1974,
> Riverside County California.
>
>
> 12.  AGOSTINO4 PALMISANO (ROSALIA3 RINI, NICOLO2,
> VINCENZO1) was born 28 May 1858 in Termini Imerese
> Sicily34, and died 15 Aug 1909 in Omaha Nebraska.  He
> married ANNA AMATO 03 Oct 1892 in Lincoln Nebraska,
> daughter of IGNAZIO AMATO and CARMELLA UNKNOWN.  She
> was born Abt. 1872 in Italy.
>
> Children of AGOSTINO PALMISANO and ANNA AMATO are:
> 30. i. PETER ANTHONY5 PALMESANO, b. 24 Apr 1894,
> Lincoln Nebraska; d. 21 Apr 1982, Omaha Nebraska.
> 31. ii. ROSE MARIE PALMESANO, b. 14 Feb 1896, Lincoln
> Nebraska; d. 26 Aug 1957, Omaha Nebraska.
> 32. iii. IGNATIUS "WILLIAM" A. PALMESANO, b. 20 Dec
> 1897, St Louis Missouri; d. 06 Jun 1976, Omaha