[TI] [Fwd: Salvatore=Sam?]

Kathy Kirkpatrick gentracekirkpatrick at jiwire-member.com
Sat Jul 19 23:58:13 EEST 2008


Mike,

They moved about a lot more than we give them credit for, so I wouldn't be
surprised at a connection. Good luck in your search!

Kathy Kirkpatrick
GenTracer
PO Box 11955
Salt Lake City, UT 84147
801 755 6991
www.gentracer.com
gentracer at gentracer.com

-----Original Message-----
From: terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org
[mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]On Behalf Of Mike
Maddi
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 2:44 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] [Fwd: Salvatore=Sam?]


Kathy,

Thanks for the feedback.

I'm almost certain that this Salvatore Vallelonga is the grandfather, known
as Sam, of a man with whom I have a close DNA match. He got the image of the
birth certificate by e-mail from someone who's a descendant of his
grandfather's brother. Someone had written on the record the name "Sam
Vallonga" with a number under it that looks like a Social Security number.
I've confirmed with Fred, my match, that the number is his grandfather's
Social Security number.

So now I have to order the LDS microfilms for Fabrizia, Calabria, where
Salvatore Vallelonga was born. I'm trying to establish some sort of
connection between this Calabrian Vallelonga line and my great-grandfather,
Nunzio Maddi. He was abandoned as an infant about 1845 and lived in
Mezzojuso, where my grandfather was born. Hopefully, I'll come across a
Vallelonga in this line who connects to Sicily. I believe the connection may
be a Vallelunga from Trabia or possibly Termini Imerese.

Mike



-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Kathy Kirkpatrick" <gentrace at gentracer.com>
>
> Mike,
>
> I've found that most Sams started out as Salvatores but not all Salvatores
> became Sams. It depended more on the local population and the names most
> popular there rather than a translation of the name. I work with a lot of
> 20th century researchers trying to locate living heirs to intestate
> probates and when they come to me with a question like this I have to
> answer that no matter what their birth name, they could end up as ANYTHING
> in the US. Sad, but true for those of us trying to connect the dots. Of
> course, names like Ignazio and Natale are most likely to be something
> unrecognizable, but the same can be said for Salvatore and Vincenzo.
> Sorry, no simple answer. However, Sharon's comment about all the men in
> her family with one Italian name ending up with the same English name is a
> very valid point. Not the same names used for Salvatore in every family,
> but the trend to use the same English names for successive generations was
> often followed, as at home with the Italian names.
>
>
> Kathy Kirkpatrick
> GenTracer
> PO Box 11955
> Salt Lake City, UT 84147
> 801-755-6991
> gentrace at gentracer.com
> www.gentracer.com
>
> > Sharon,
> >
> > It doesn't answer my question, but it was an interesting story.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: sreif1956 at comcast.net
> >>
> > Mike, Uncle Willie (Salvatore) was actually born in Omaha, Nebraska in
> > 1895.
> > The Pitti family moved there from St. Louis around the time just before
> > the
> > great St. Louis cyclone, but then returned thereafter when my when
grandma
> > and
> >> her twin were born in St. Louis in 1897.
> >>
> > The Pitti family originated in Florence, but after getting "escorted"
out
> > of
> > town with the Medici, they took their money and headed south to Sicily
> > where
> > their money would go much farther because everything was so much
cheaper,
> > like
> > the real estate, etc.  They ended up in the Palermo region and then to
> > Porticello/Termini/Cefalo/Campfelice de Rocella/Belmonte Mezzagno.  They
> > brought
> >> with them their education and music (many violinists in the family).
> >>
> > When coming to America, most about 1888-1910, they considered themselves
> > Sicilian.  Although, I know of one small branch who refuse to believe
that
> > the
> > family went to Sicily...they think that there was just a
misunderstanding
> > with
> >> the people of Florence and the aristocrats. Being a Sicilian is a
> >> "dirty" word
> >> to them.  So sad. They don't know what they are missing.  i have shared
> >> my
> >> documentation with them, but they still refuse to believe.
> >>
> >> So, I guess they had to go through Calabria to get to Palermo in the
> >> 1600s, if
> >> you look at it that way.  Does that answer your question?  Probably
not.
> >>  Oh,
> >> well.
> >>
> >> Sharon
> >>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >> From: "Mike Maddi" <m.maddi at att.net>
> >> > By any chance, was your Uncle Salvatore, who called himself Sam, from
> >> southern
> >> > Italy, not Sicily.
> >> >
> >> > I'm trying to establish for someone with Calabrian ancestry, whether
a
> >> Calabrian
> >> > birth record is that of his grandfather. The date of birth and
surname
> >> match
> >> his
> >> > grandfather, but the given name is Salvatore and he only knows his
> >> grandfather
> >> > as "Sam."
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >> > From: sreif1956 at comcast.net
> >> > >
> >> > Mike, all of my family Salvatore's called themselves William or
> >> Willie.  The
> >> > father of my uncle  (related only by marriage) called himself Sam
> >> instead of
> >> > > Salvatore.
> >> > >  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >> > > From: Laura <laura at termini-imerese.org>
> >> > > > FORWARDED MESSAGE - ORIGINAL IN HTML FORMAT
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -------- Original Message --------
> >> > > > Subject: 	Salvatore=Sam?
> >> > > > Date: 	Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:32:54 +0000
> >> > > > From: 	Mike Maddi <m.maddi at att.net>
> >> > > > To: 	terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Have people found that ancestors who were named Salvatore
> >> Americanized
> >> > > > their name to "Sam" when they came to the U.S.? If not, what was
> >> the
> >> > > > original Italian given name of ancestors who were called Sam?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Mike Maddi
>
>
>
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