From bmascari at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 06:41:44 2013 From: bmascari at gmail.com (Becky Mascari) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 22:41:44 -0500 Subject: [TI] Trying to locate someone with Mascari/Morialli/Monreale/Lopicolo connections Message-ID: I know this is a bit random and vague but is there anyone on this list that is related to the Lopicolo's and Morialli's of Memphis and Detroit? About 9 years ago someone from the Detroit area tried to contact my husband's cousin in Memphis. He tried to explain that the name was originally Monreale and that the spelling was changed to the phonetic Morialli. The cousin said that was bs and hung up. This cousin now knows that the caller was indeed correct and we would like to reconnect with this individual who has these Detroit and Memphis Lopicolo/Morialli connections. If you are this person or know who this might be, please contact me. Thank you, Becky Mascari From tcorso at lecom.edu Mon Jun 3 21:33:25 2013 From: tcorso at lecom.edu (Thomas Corso, PhD) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 18:33:25 +0000 Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test Message-ID: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net> Are there any TI members that have a good understanding of the Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini? I just obtained some information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is found in only 4.5% of Sicilians. I'm looking forward to a discussion with someone knowledgeable. Tom From mtmaddi at yahoo.com Mon Jun 3 23:43:21 2013 From: mtmaddi at yahoo.com (Michael Maddi) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test In-Reply-To: <1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net> <1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it the first time in plain text. Mike ________________________________ From: Michael Maddi To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test Tom, I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA. Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily There are over 700 members in the project, including several members of this list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in the project with Sicilian paternal lines. I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of those haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results. J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also Turks. Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a higher percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe. R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages among Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line which is R1a1 would probably have deep ancestry from north/northeastern Europe or the Balkans. Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily Project. Mike Maddi ________________________________ From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test Are there any TI members that have a good understanding of the Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini????I just obtained some information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is found in only 4.5% of Sicilians.? I'm looking forward to a discussion with someone knowledgeable. Tom _______________________________________________ TerminiImerese mailing list TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org? From lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 4 01:54:45 2013 From: lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net (Lorri) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:54:45 -0500 Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test In-Reply-To: <1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net> <1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <014901ce60ad$5876ea40$0964bec0$@sbcglobal.net> Hi, Can you tell me more about the Sicily list? I am finding my maiden name "Papania" in the list and I am new to genealogy. Thanks, Lorri -----Original Message----- From: TerminiImerese [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Michael Maddi Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 3:43 PM To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it the first time in plain text. Mike ________________________________ From: Michael Maddi To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test Tom, I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA. Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily There are over 700 members in the project, including several members of this list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in the project with Sicilian paternal lines. I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of those haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results. J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also Turks. Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a higher percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe. R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages among Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line which is R1a1 would probably have deep ancestry from north/northeastern Europe or the Balkans. Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily Project. Mike Maddi ________________________________ From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test Are there any TI members that have a good understanding of the Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini????I just obtained some information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is found in only 4.5% of Sicilians.? I'm looking forward to a discussion with someone knowledgeable. Tom _______________________________________________ TerminiImerese mailing list TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org ? _______________________________________________ TerminiImerese mailing list TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org From corielind at msn.com Tue Jun 4 05:12:30 2013 From: corielind at msn.com (Corie Lindemann) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:12:30 -0500 Subject: [TI] Papania In-Reply-To: <014901ce60ad$5876ea40$0964bec0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net> <1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <014901ce60ad$5876ea40$0964bec0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Hi Lorri, Welcome to the list! Are your Papania ancestors from Termini Imerese? I have Papania's on my tree through marriage. Michael Papania, b. 1887 in Termini Imerese married Mayme Girolama Geraci b. 1890, who was my 1st cousin once removed. They emigrated and lived in the Lockland, OH area. Any connection? Corie > From: lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net > To: mtmaddi at yahoo.com; terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org > Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:54:45 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test > > Hi, > > Can you tell me more about the Sicily list? I am finding my maiden name > "Papania" in the list and I am new to genealogy. > > Thanks, > Lorri > > -----Original Message----- > From: TerminiImerese [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On > Behalf Of Michael Maddi > Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 3:43 PM > To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org > Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test > > I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it the first > time in plain text. > > Mike > > > ________________________________ > From: Michael Maddi > To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" > Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM > Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test > > > > Tom, > > I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA. > Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily > > There are over 700 members in the project, including several members of this > list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in the project > with Sicilian paternal lines. > > I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of those > haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results. > > J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also Turks. > Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a higher > percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe. > > R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages among > Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line which is R1a1 > would probably have deep ancestry from north/northeastern Europe or the > Balkans. > > Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily Project. > > Mike Maddi > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" > To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" > Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM > Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test > > > Are there any TI members that have a good understanding > of the Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini? I just obtained some > information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is found in > only 4.5% of Sicilians. I'm looking forward to a discussion with someone > knowledgeable. > > Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > TerminiImerese mailing list > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org > > > _______________________________________________ > TerminiImerese mailing list > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org > > > _______________________________________________ > TerminiImerese mailing list > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org From franthony at trappist.net Tue Jun 4 13:42:54 2013 From: franthony at trappist.net (Fr. Anthony Delisi) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 06:42:54 -0400 Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test In-Reply-To: <1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net><1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Mike, I had my DNA tested last year. I am not up to understanding what it is all about. Should I send a copy to you. PAX. Fr. Anthony Delisi -----Original Message----- From: TerminiImerese [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Michael Maddi Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 4:43 PM To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it the first time in plain text. Mike ________________________________ From: Michael Maddi To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test Tom, I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA. Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily There are over 700 members in the project, including several members of this list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in the project with Sicilian paternal lines. I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of those haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results. J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also Turks. Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a higher percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe. R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages among Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line which is R1a1 would probably have deep ancestry from north/northeastern Europe or the Balkans. Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily Project. Mike Maddi ________________________________ From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test Are there any TI members that have a good understanding of the Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini????I just obtained some information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is found in only 4.5% of Sicilians.? I'm looking forward to a discussion with someone knowledgeable. Tom _______________________________________________ TerminiImerese mailing list TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org ? _______________________________________________ TerminiImerese mailing list TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org From lgted0430 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 5 04:33:42 2013 From: lgted0430 at yahoo.com (Larie Tedesco) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 18:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test In-Reply-To: References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net><1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1370396022.76536.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I took an Ancestry.com ?DNA test also at the end of last year.? Not one drop of Southern European unless it is in the 10% unknown.? I saved all the lists discussions for years?in case I would need them and when my email was compromised I closed my email (which I shouldn't have done).? Thanks, Larie Tedesco From: Fr. Anthony Delisi To: 'Michael Maddi' ; terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 5:42 AM Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test Dear Mike, I had my DNA tested last year.? I am not up to understanding what it is all about. Should I send a copy to you. PAX. Fr. Anthony Delisi -----Original Message----- From: TerminiImerese [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Michael Maddi Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 4:43 PM To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it the first time in plain text. Mike ________________________________ From: Michael Maddi To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test Tom, I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA. Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily There are over 700 members in the project, including several members of this list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in the project with Sicilian paternal lines. I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of those haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results. J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also Turks. Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a higher percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe. R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages among Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line which is R1a1 would probably have deep ancestry from north/northeastern Europe or the Balkans. Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily Project. Mike Maddi ________________________________ From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test Are there any TI members that have a good understanding of the Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini????I just obtained some information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is found in only 4.5% of Sicilians.? I'm looking forward to a discussion with someone knowledgeable. Tom _______________________________________________ TerminiImerese mailing list TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org _______________________________________________ TerminiImerese mailing list TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org _______________________________________________ TerminiImerese mailing list TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org? From bobam99 at insightbb.com Sat Jun 8 21:58:09 2013 From: bobam99 at insightbb.com (Bobbye Gayle) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 14:58:09 -0400 Subject: [TI] Papania References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net><1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <014901ce60ad$5876ea40$0964bec0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I just read your message, I have researched my husband's Termini genealogy which is extensive. His grandmother was a Papania from Termini who came to Lexington, KY June 1906. I have the documented arrival from Ellis Island. She was accompanied by her mother and 3 children. Her husband and 2 children were already here in Lexington.. bga ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corie Lindemann" To: "Termini Imerese list 2" Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 10:12 PM Subject: [TI] Papania > Hi Lorri, > Welcome to the list! Are your Papania ancestors from Termini Imerese? I > have Papania's on my tree through marriage. Michael Papania, b. 1887 in > Termini Imerese married Mayme Girolama Geraci b. 1890, who was my 1st > cousin once removed. They emigrated and lived in the Lockland, OH area. > Any connection? > > Corie > > > >> From: lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net >> To: mtmaddi at yahoo.com; terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org >> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:54:45 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test >> >> Hi, >> >> Can you tell me more about the Sicily list? I am finding my maiden name >> "Papania" in the list and I am new to genealogy. >> >> Thanks, >> Lorri >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: TerminiImerese [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Michael Maddi >> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 3:43 PM >> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org >> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test >> >> I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it the >> first >> time in plain text. >> >> Mike >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Michael Maddi >> To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" >> >> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test >> >> >> >> Tom, >> >> I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA. >> Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily >> >> There are over 700 members in the project, including several members of >> this >> list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in the project >> with Sicilian paternal lines. >> >> I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of >> those >> haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results. >> >> J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also >> Turks. >> Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a higher >> percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe. >> >> R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages >> among >> Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line which is >> R1a1 >> would probably have deep ancestry from north/northeastern Europe or the >> Balkans. >> >> Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily >> Project. >> >> Mike Maddi >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" >> To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" >> >> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM >> Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test >> >> >> Are there any TI members that have a good understanding >> of the Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini? I just obtained some >> information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is found in >> only 4.5% of Sicilians. I'm looking forward to a discussion with someone >> knowledgeable. >> >> Tom >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TerminiImerese mailing list >> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org >> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TerminiImerese mailing list >> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org >> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TerminiImerese mailing list >> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org >> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org > _______________________________________________ > TerminiImerese mailing list > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org From lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 9 01:52:25 2013 From: lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net (Lorri) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 17:52:25 -0500 Subject: [TI] Papania In-Reply-To: References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net><1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <014901ce60ad$5876ea40$0964bec0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <0f9e01ce649a$d8d87a50$8a896ef0$@sbcglobal.net> It seems my family is actually from Corleone. I am very new at this and trying to sort it all out. My great-grandfather Leo Luca (or sometimes written Leoluca or Leo Lucas) Papania left Corleone, at 26 years of age, from Palermo arriving in New Orleans, via Gibralter, on Nov. 4, 1886. It seems that Corleone is not that far from Termini and both are in the Province of Palermo. Wish I could hop on a plane and get over there! I don't know of any relatives we have outside of TX, LA, and MS. Any thoughts? Lorri -----Original Message----- From: TerminiImerese [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Bobbye Gayle Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 1:58 PM To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org Subject: Re: [TI] Papania I just read your message, I have researched my husband's Termini genealogy which is extensive. His grandmother was a Papania from Termini who came to Lexington, KY June 1906. I have the documented arrival from Ellis Island. She was accompanied by her mother and 3 children. Her husband and 2 children were already here in Lexington.. bga ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corie Lindemann" To: "Termini Imerese list 2" Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 10:12 PM Subject: [TI] Papania > Hi Lorri, > Welcome to the list! Are your Papania ancestors from Termini Imerese? > I have Papania's on my tree through marriage. Michael Papania, b. 1887 > in Termini Imerese married Mayme Girolama Geraci b. 1890, who was my > 1st cousin once removed. They emigrated and lived in the Lockland, OH area. > Any connection? > > Corie > > > >> From: lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net >> To: mtmaddi at yahoo.com; terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org >> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:54:45 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test >> >> Hi, >> >> Can you tell me more about the Sicily list? I am finding my maiden >> name "Papania" in the list and I am new to genealogy. >> >> Thanks, >> Lorri >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: TerminiImerese >> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Michael Maddi >> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 3:43 PM >> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org >> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test >> >> I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it >> the first time in plain text. >> >> Mike >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Michael Maddi >> To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" >> >> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test >> >> >> >> Tom, >> >> I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA. >> Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily >> >> There are over 700 members in the project, including several members >> of this list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in >> the project with Sicilian paternal lines. >> >> I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of >> those haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results. >> >> J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also >> Turks. >> Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a >> higher percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe. >> >> R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages >> among Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line >> which is >> R1a1 >> would probably have deep ancestry from north/northeastern Europe or >> the Balkans. >> >> Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily >> Project. >> >> Mike Maddi >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" >> To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" >> >> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM >> Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test >> >> >> Are there any TI members that have a good understanding of the >> Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini? I just obtained some >> information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is >> found in only 4.5% of Sicilians. I'm looking forward to a discussion >> with someone knowledgeable. >> >> Tom >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TerminiImerese mailing list >> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org >> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofit >> aly.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TerminiImerese mailing list >> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org >> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofit >> aly.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TerminiImerese mailing list >> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org >> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofit >> aly.org > _______________________________________________ > TerminiImerese mailing list > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofita > ly.org _______________________________________________ TerminiImerese mailing list TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org From lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 9 01:53:47 2013 From: lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net (Lorri) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 17:53:47 -0500 Subject: [TI] Papania In-Reply-To: References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net> <1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <014901ce60ad$5876ea40$0964bec0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <0fa401ce649b$09f25cf0$1dd716d0$@sbcglobal.net> Corie, I just wrote a reply to another person but it seems mine are from Corleone. Not sure of any connections. Lorri -----Original Message----- From: TerminiImerese [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Corie Lindemann Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 9:12 PM To: Termini Imerese list 2 Subject: [TI] Papania Hi Lorri, Welcome to the list! Are your Papania ancestors from Termini Imerese? I have Papania's on my tree through marriage. Michael Papania, b. 1887 in Termini Imerese married Mayme Girolama Geraci b. 1890, who was my 1st cousin once removed. They emigrated and lived in the Lockland, OH area. Any connection? Corie > From: lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net > To: mtmaddi at yahoo.com; terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org > Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:54:45 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test > > Hi, > > Can you tell me more about the Sicily list? I am finding my maiden > name "Papania" in the list and I am new to genealogy. > > Thanks, > Lorri > > -----Original Message----- > From: TerminiImerese > [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of > Michael Maddi > Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 3:43 PM > To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org > Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test > > I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it the > first time in plain text. > > Mike > > > ________________________________ > From: Michael Maddi > To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" > > Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM > Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test > > > > Tom, > > I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA. > Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily > > There are over 700 members in the project, including several members > of this list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in > the project with Sicilian paternal lines. > > I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of > those haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results. > > J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also Turks. > Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a > higher percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe. > > R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages > among Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line > which is R1a1 would probably have deep ancestry from > north/northeastern Europe or the Balkans. > > Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily Project. > > Mike Maddi > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" > To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" > > Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM > Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test > > > Are there any TI members that have a good understanding of the > Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini? I just obtained some > information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is found > in only 4.5% of Sicilians. I'm looking forward to a discussion with > someone knowledgeable. > > Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > TerminiImerese mailing list > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofita > ly.org > > > _______________________________________________ > TerminiImerese mailing list > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofita > ly.org > > > _______________________________________________ > TerminiImerese mailing list > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org _______________________________________________ TerminiImerese mailing list TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org From lgted0430 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 9 02:43:58 2013 From: lgted0430 at yahoo.com (Larie Tedesco) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 16:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TI] Papania In-Reply-To: <0f9e01ce649a$d8d87a50$8a896ef0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net><1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <014901ce60ad$5876ea40$0964bec0$@sbcglobal.net> <0f9e01ce649a$d8d87a50$8a896ef0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1370735038.15766.YahooMailNeo@web121704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Lorri, ??? We are connected to the Papania's in Corleone.? They live in St. Bernard Parish, LA.? Two Tedesco's from Termini married 2 Papania's from Termini.? Then one of the descendants my grandfather's brother Saverio married a Papania who's family is from Corleone.? I believe they are related to Leo Luca.? I have paperwork I will have to look up but the little information in my tree is on Rosolino Papania 1872-1952 son of Calogero Papania and Katherine Ferrera.? Rosolino was married to Leoliechina (Laura) Dimiceli died October, 1939.? I am also was in contact with a person who is related to Leo Luca and works on the Papania family tree from Corleone.? If you would send me your email address and I will see if I can contact her.? Larie Tedesco ________________________________ From: Lorri To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [TI] Papania It seems my family is actually from Corleone. I am very new at this and trying to sort it all out. My great-grandfather Leo Luca (or sometimes written Leoluca or Leo Lucas) Papania left Corleone, at 26 years of age, from Palermo arriving in New Orleans, via Gibralter, on Nov. 4, 1886. It seems that Corleone is not that far from Termini and both are in the Province of Palermo. Wish I could hop on a plane and get over there!? I don't know of any relatives we have outside of TX, LA, and MS. Any thoughts? Lorri -----Original Message----- From: TerminiImerese [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of Bobbye Gayle Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 1:58 PM To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org Subject: Re: [TI] Papania I just read your message, I have researched my husband's Termini genealogy which is extensive.? His grandmother was a Papania from Termini who came to Lexington, KY? June 1906.? I have the documented arrival from Ellis Island. She was accompanied by her mother and 3 children.? Her husband and 2 children were already here in Lexington.. bga ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corie Lindemann" To: "Termini Imerese list 2" Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 10:12 PM Subject: [TI] Papania > Hi Lorri, > Welcome to the list! Are your Papania ancestors from Termini Imerese? > I have Papania's on my tree through marriage. Michael Papania, b. 1887 > in Termini Imerese married Mayme Girolama Geraci b. 1890, who was my > 1st cousin once removed. They emigrated and lived in the Lockland, OH area. > Any connection? > > Corie > > > >> From: lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net >> To: mtmaddi at yahoo.com; terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org >> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:54:45 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test >> >> Hi, >> >> Can you tell me more about the Sicily list? I am finding my maiden >> name "Papania" in the list and I am new to genealogy. >> >> Thanks, >> Lorri >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: TerminiImerese >> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Michael Maddi >> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 3:43 PM >> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org >> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test >> >> I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it >> the first time in plain text. >> >> Mike >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Michael Maddi >> To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" >> >> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test >> >> >> >> Tom, >> >> I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA. >> Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily >> >> There are over 700 members in the project, including several members >> of this list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in >> the project with Sicilian paternal lines. >> >> I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of >> those haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results. >> >> J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also >> Turks. >> Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a >> higher percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe. >> >> R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages >> among Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line >> which is >> R1a1 >> would probably have deep ancestry from north/northeastern Europe or >> the Balkans. >> >> Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily >> Project. >> >> Mike Maddi >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" >> To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" >> >> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM >> Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test >> >> >> Are there any TI members that have a good understanding of the >> Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini? I just obtained some >> information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is >> found in only 4.5% of Sicilians. I'm looking forward to a discussion >> with someone knowledgeable. >> >> Tom >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TerminiImerese mailing list >> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org >> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofit >> aly.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TerminiImerese mailing list >> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org >> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofit >> aly.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TerminiImerese mailing list >> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org >> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofit >> aly.org > _______________________________________________ > TerminiImerese mailing list > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofita > ly.org _______________________________________________ TerminiImerese mailing list TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org _______________________________________________ TerminiImerese mailing list TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org? ?? From rngade57 at madisontelco.com Mon Jun 17 13:04:38 2013 From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:04:38 -0500 Subject: [TI] Fwd: Re: SD Reunion Update - Hotel Information In-Reply-To: <20130617032116.7PA4F.74978.root@cdptpa-web27-z01> References: <20130617032116.7PA4F.74978.root@cdptpa-web27-z01> Message-ID: <51BEDF36.7020601@madisontelco.com> I will get this information on the website hopefully tonight. But you can go ahead and book your rooms now. Forwarded Message: Hi Laura, Jeanette and I each checked out Old Town Inn in San Diego, and decided this is the best place for everyone to stay. http://www.oldtown-inn.com/ They don't book blocks of 5 or more rooms without a contract, nor do they provide a discount for groups. Having said that, their rates are very competitive and quite affordable. I know that several of those attending like to share rooms. For them, we recommend the Economy Room with 2 Full Size Beds (only 2 guests allowed in these rooms), which is $74.86 for weeknights and $79.86 for weekend nights, plus 12.5% city tax. A deluxe room with two queen beds (up to 4 guests allowed in these rooms is $84.86 weeknights and $89.96 weekend nights, plus 12.5% city tax. The deluxe room with one queen bed is about $10 a night higher because it has a frig. I just spoke with Cecily there and she said that although they won't block rooms for us, and won't take a group name, the availability at this point is great. Not a lot of rooms booked this far ahead. Andy and I actually visited the hotel and were able to look at both of these rooms and they're really nice! Jeanette also emailed the hotel and got the same rates from Laura there. The hotel is in a more industrial area, but it's only about 2 blocks from the Old Town trolley station, and right on the edge of Old Town San Diego. We'll be using the trolley for primary transportation. The cost is $5 a day, after the purchase of a $2 Compass Card (they don't take cash anymore). We'll email with more plans soon.... Nancy ---- From comella.f3104 at comcast.net Thu Jun 20 19:47:57 2013 From: comella.f3104 at comcast.net (Francis Comella) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:47:57 -0500 Subject: [TI] Italian Foundling Message-ID: <1386941D-B2E7-4D3B-A2DF-FA67179778BF@comcast.net> Many of you no doubt have foundlings in your family tree. My interest in this subject lead me to a book entitled "Sacrificed for Honor" by David Kertzer. I found it to be fascinating reading and very informative and I would recommend it even to those without foundlings in their family. It provides insights into the political and social environment that I found helpful in understanding 19th century Sicily and is readily available in hardback or paperback. Frank Comella comella.f3104 at comcast.net From rngade57 at madisontelco.com Fri Jun 21 01:25:10 2013 From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:25:10 -0500 Subject: [TI] Italian Foundling In-Reply-To: <1386941D-B2E7-4D3B-A2DF-FA67179778BF@comcast.net> References: <1386941D-B2E7-4D3B-A2DF-FA67179778BF@comcast.net> Message-ID: <51C38146.6060003@madisontelco.com> I agree. The book is very good. I read the book BEFORE we went to Italy in 2006. When we were in Cardano al Campo and I was working on the research for my mother's Italian side, one of her greatx3 grandmothers was a foundling. The document tells that she was born in the Milano foundling home and that her mother was someone who could not afford to keep her child. The mother refused to be named and refused to identify the father and all of this is notated on the document. This birth document was found in the records for the marriage of the foundling. It made the book more important and useful when I learned of this foundling birth On 6/20/2013 11:47 AM, Francis Comella wrote: > Many of you no doubt have foundlings in your family tree. My interest in this subject lead me to a book entitled "Sacrificed for Honor" by David Kertzer. I found it to be fascinating reading and very informative and I would recommend it even to those without foundlings in their family. It provides insights into the political and social environment that I found helpful in understanding 19th century Sicily and is readily available in hardback or paperback. > > > Frank Comella > comella.f3104 at comcast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TerminiImerese mailing list > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org > > From anniegoe at verizon.net Fri Jun 21 21:44:25 2013 From: anniegoe at verizon.net (anna riggio) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:44:25 -0400 Subject: [TI] Italian Foundling References: <1386941D-B2E7-4D3B-A2DF-FA67179778BF@comcast.net> <51C38146.6060003@madisontelco.com> Message-ID: <415F83F3E9BF45B2AD5B1E840D2A8E69@DJZBSK81> Where can you get the book? Carnegie Library said they never had it in their system! I would like to read it. Ann Riggio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Johnson" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [TI] Italian Foundling >I agree. The book is very good. I read the book BEFORE we went to >Italy in 2006. When we were in Cardano al Campo and I was working on >the research for my mother's Italian side, one of her greatx3 >grandmothers was a foundling. The document tells that she was born in >the Milano foundling home and that her mother was someone who could not >afford to keep her child. The mother refused to be named and refused >to identify the father and all of this is notated on the document. >This birth document was found in the records for the marriage of the >foundling. It made the book more important and useful when I learned >of this foundling birth > > On 6/20/2013 11:47 AM, Francis Comella wrote: >> Many of you no doubt have foundlings in your family tree. My interest >> in this subject lead me to a book entitled "Sacrificed for Honor" by >> David Kertzer. I found it to be fascinating reading and very >> informative and I would recommend it even to those without foundlings >> in their family. It provides insights into the political and social >> environment that I found helpful in understanding 19th century Sicily >> and is readily available in hardback or paperback. >> >> >> Frank Comella >> comella.f3104 at comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TerminiImerese mailing list >> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org >> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TerminiImerese mailing list > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org From bcaito820 at aol.com Sat Jun 22 00:48:03 2013 From: bcaito820 at aol.com (Brigitt) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:48:03 -0400 Subject: [TI] Italian Foundling In-Reply-To: <415F83F3E9BF45B2AD5B1E840D2A8E69@DJZBSK81> References: <1386941D-B2E7-4D3B-A2DF-FA67179778BF@comcast.net> <51C38146.6060003@madisontelco.com> <415F83F3E9BF45B2AD5B1E840D2A8E69@DJZBSK81> Message-ID: I found it at the local library here in Indianapolis. Brigitt Caito Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2013, at 2:44 PM, "anna riggio" wrote: > Where can you get the book? Carnegie Library said they never had it in their system! I would like to read it. > Ann Riggio > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Johnson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:25 PM > Subject: Re: [TI] Italian Foundling > > >> I agree. The book is very good. I read the book BEFORE we went to Italy in 2006. When we were in Cardano al Campo and I was working on the research for my mother's Italian side, one of her greatx3 grandmothers was a foundling. The document tells that she was born in the Milano foundling home and that her mother was someone who could not afford to keep her child. The mother refused to be named and refused to identify the father and all of this is notated on the document. This birth document was found in the records for the marriage of the foundling. It made the book more important and useful when I learned of this foundling birth >> >> On 6/20/2013 11:47 AM, Francis Comella wrote: >>> Many of you no doubt have foundlings in your family tree. My interest in this subject lead me to a book entitled "Sacrificed for Honor" by David Kertzer. I found it to be fascinating reading and very informative and I would recommend it even to those without foundlings in their family. It provides insights into the political and social environment that I found helpful in understanding 19th century Sicily and is readily available in hardback or paperback. >>> >>> >>> Frank Comella >>> comella.f3104 at comcast.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TerminiImerese mailing list >>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org >>> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TerminiImerese mailing list >> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org >> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org > > > _______________________________________________ > TerminiImerese mailing list > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org From rngade57 at madisontelco.com Sat Jun 22 01:02:39 2013 From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:02:39 -0500 Subject: [TI] Italian Foundling In-Reply-To: <415F83F3E9BF45B2AD5B1E840D2A8E69@DJZBSK81> References: <1386941D-B2E7-4D3B-A2DF-FA67179778BF@comcast.net> <51C38146.6060003@madisontelco.com> <415F83F3E9BF45B2AD5B1E840D2A8E69@DJZBSK81> Message-ID: <51C4CD7F.8040508@madisontelco.com> I got my copy on Amazon.com On 6/21/2013 1:44 PM, anna riggio wrote: > Where can you get the book? Carnegie Library said they never had it > in their system! I would like to read it. > Ann Riggio > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Johnson" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:25 PM > Subject: Re: [TI] Italian Foundling > > >> I agree. The book is very good. I read the book BEFORE we went to >> Italy in 2006. When we were in Cardano al Campo and I was working on >> the research for my mother's Italian side, one of her greatx3 >> grandmothers was a foundling. The document tells that she was born >> in the Milano foundling home and that her mother was someone who >> could not afford to keep her child. The mother refused to be named >> and refused to identify the father and all of this is notated on the >> document. This birth document was found in the records for the >> marriage of the foundling. It made the book more important and >> useful when I learned of this foundling birth >> >> On 6/20/2013 11:47 AM, Francis Comella wrote: >>> Many of you no doubt have foundlings in your family tree. My >>> interest in this subject lead me to a book entitled "Sacrificed for >>> Honor" by David Kertzer. I found it to be fascinating reading and >>> very informative and I would recommend it even to those without >>> foundlings in their family. It provides insights into the political >>> and social environment that I found helpful in understanding 19th >>> century Sicily and is readily available in hardback or paperback. >>> >>> >>> Frank Comella >>> comella.f3104 at comcast.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TerminiImerese mailing list >>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org >>> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TerminiImerese mailing list >> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org >> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > TerminiImerese mailing list > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org > > > From comella.f3104 at comcast.net Sat Jun 22 01:38:01 2013 From: comella.f3104 at comcast.net (Francis Comella) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:38:01 -0500 Subject: [TI] Italian Foundling In-Reply-To: <51C4CD7F.8040508@madisontelco.com> References: <1386941D-B2E7-4D3B-A2DF-FA67179778BF@comcast.net> <51C38146.6060003@madisontelco.com> <415F83F3E9BF45B2AD5B1E840D2A8E69@DJZBSK81> <51C4CD7F.8040508@madisontelco.com> Message-ID: <3D42DE34-C45A-4324-BE06-2279146E5182@comcast.net> I also got my copy on Amazon. Very reasonably priced especially in paperback. Frank Comella comella.f3104 at comcast.net On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Laura Johnson wrote: > I got my copy on Amazon.com > > On 6/21/2013 1:44 PM, anna riggio wrote: >> Where can you get the book? Carnegie Library said they never had it in their system! I would like to read it. >> Ann Riggio >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Johnson" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [TI] Italian Foundling >> >> >>> I agree. The book is very good. I read the book BEFORE we went to Italy in 2006. When we were in Cardano al Campo and I was working on the research for my mother's Italian side, one of her greatx3 grandmothers was a foundling. The document tells that she was born in the Milano foundling home and that her mother was someone who could not afford to keep her child. The mother refused to be named and refused to identify the father and all of this is notated on the document. This birth document was found in the records for the marriage of the foundling. It made the book more important and useful when I learned of this foundling birth >>> >>> On 6/20/2013 11:47 AM, Francis Comella wrote: >>>> Many of you no doubt have foundlings in your family tree. My interest in this subject lead me to a book entitled "Sacrificed for Honor" by David Kertzer. I found it to be fascinating reading and very informative and I would recommend it even to those without foundlings in their family. It provides insights into the political and social environment that I found helpful in understanding 19th century Sicily and is readily available in hardback or paperback. >>>> >>>> >>>> Frank Comella >>>> comella.f3104 at comcast.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TerminiImerese mailing list >>>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org >>>> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TerminiImerese mailing list >>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org >>> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TerminiImerese mailing list >> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org >> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TerminiImerese mailing list > TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org > http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org