From bmascari at gmail.com  Sat Jun  1 06:41:44 2013
From: bmascari at gmail.com (Becky Mascari)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 22:41:44 -0500
Subject: [TI] Trying to locate someone with
	Mascari/Morialli/Monreale/Lopicolo connections
Message-ID: <CAKDBRSfLJW5sd_iP1vyW7HLucvSf4Wx0WRsUDyv_6T1RA6pvTw@mail.gmail.com>

I know this is a bit random and vague but is there anyone on this list
that is related to the Lopicolo's and Morialli's of Memphis and
Detroit? About 9 years ago someone from the Detroit area tried to
contact my husband's cousin in Memphis. He tried to explain that the
name was originally Monreale and that the spelling was changed to the
phonetic Morialli. The cousin said that was bs and hung up.

This cousin now knows that the caller was indeed correct and we would
like to reconnect with this individual who has these Detroit and
Memphis Lopicolo/Morialli connections. If you are this person or know
who this might be, please contact me.

Thank you,

Becky Mascari



From tcorso at lecom.edu  Mon Jun  3 21:33:25 2013
From: tcorso at lecom.edu (Thomas Corso, PhD)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 18:33:25 +0000
Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test
Message-ID: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net>

Are there any TI members that have a good understanding of the Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini?   I just obtained some information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is found in only 4.5% of Sicilians.  I'm looking forward to a discussion with someone knowledgeable. 

Tom
   



From mtmaddi at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  3 23:43:21 2013
From: mtmaddi at yahoo.com (Michael Maddi)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:43:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test
In-Reply-To: <1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net>
	<1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it the first time in plain text.

Mike


________________________________
From: Michael Maddi <mtmaddi at yahoo.com>
To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org> 
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test



Tom,

I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA. Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily

There are over 700 members in the project, including several members of this list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in the project with Sicilian paternal lines.

I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of those haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results.

J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also Turks. Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a higher percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe.

R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages among Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line which is R1a1
would probably have deep ancestry from north/northeastern Europe or the Balkans.

Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily Project.

Mike Maddi




________________________________
From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" <tcorso at lecom.edu>
To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org> 
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM
Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test


Are there any TI members that have a good understanding
of the Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini????I just obtained some information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is found in only 4.5% of Sicilians.? I'm looking forward to a discussion with someone knowledgeable. 

Tom


_______________________________________________
TerminiImerese mailing list
TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org? 



From lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  4 01:54:45 2013
From: lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net (Lorri)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:54:45 -0500
Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test
In-Reply-To: <1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net>	<1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <014901ce60ad$5876ea40$0964bec0$@sbcglobal.net>

Hi, 

Can you tell me more about the Sicily list?  I am finding my maiden name
"Papania" in the list and I am new to genealogy.

Thanks,
Lorri

-----Original Message-----
From: TerminiImerese [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Maddi
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 3:43 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test

I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it the first
time in plain text.

Mike


________________________________
From: Michael Maddi <mtmaddi at yahoo.com>
To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org> 
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test



Tom,

I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA.
Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily

There are over 700 members in the project, including several members of this
list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in the project
with Sicilian paternal lines.

I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of those
haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results.

J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also Turks.
Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a higher
percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe.

R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages among
Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line which is R1a1
would probably have deep ancestry from north/northeastern Europe or the
Balkans.

Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily Project.

Mike Maddi




________________________________
From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" <tcorso at lecom.edu>
To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org> 
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM
Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test


Are there any TI members that have a good understanding
of the Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini????I just obtained some
information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is found in
only 4.5% of Sicilians.? I'm looking forward to a discussion with someone
knowledgeable. 

Tom


_______________________________________________
TerminiImerese mailing list
TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
? 

_______________________________________________
TerminiImerese mailing list
TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org




From corielind at msn.com  Tue Jun  4 05:12:30 2013
From: corielind at msn.com (Corie Lindemann)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 21:12:30 -0500
Subject: [TI] Papania
In-Reply-To: <014901ce60ad$5876ea40$0964bec0$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net>
	<1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<014901ce60ad$5876ea40$0964bec0$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <BAY174-W2660ED81D2CD742993F932B89E0@phx.gbl>

Hi Lorri,
Welcome to the list! Are your Papania ancestors from Termini Imerese? I have Papania's on my tree through marriage. Michael Papania, b. 1887 in Termini Imerese married Mayme Girolama Geraci b. 1890, who was my 1st cousin once removed. They emigrated and lived in the Lockland, OH area. Any connection? 

Corie 



> From: lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net
> To: mtmaddi at yahoo.com; terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:54:45 -0500
> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> Can you tell me more about the Sicily list? I am finding my maiden name
> "Papania" in the list and I am new to genealogy.
> 
> Thanks,
> Lorri
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TerminiImerese [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Maddi
> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 3:43 PM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test
> 
> I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it the first
> time in plain text.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Michael Maddi <mtmaddi at yahoo.com>
> To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org> 
> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test
> 
> 
> 
> Tom,
> 
> I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA.
> Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily
> 
> There are over 700 members in the project, including several members of this
> list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in the project
> with Sicilian paternal lines.
> 
> I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of those
> haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results.
> 
> J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also Turks.
> Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a higher
> percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe.
> 
> R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages among
> Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line which is R1a1
> would probably have deep ancestry from north/northeastern Europe or the
> Balkans.
> 
> Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily Project.
> 
> Mike Maddi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" <tcorso at lecom.edu>
> To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org> 
> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM
> Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test
> 
> 
> Are there any TI members that have a good understanding
> of the Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini? I just obtained some
> information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is found in
> only 4.5% of Sicilians. I'm looking forward to a discussion with someone
> knowledgeable. 
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org 		 	   		  


From franthony at trappist.net  Tue Jun  4 13:42:54 2013
From: franthony at trappist.net (Fr. Anthony Delisi)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 06:42:54 -0400
Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test
In-Reply-To: <1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net><1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BE86AF10CBC54917AA7B3DAD35AD021F@109anthny>

Dear Mike,

I had my DNA tested last year.  I am not up to understanding what it is all
about.
Should I send a copy to you.

PAX. Fr. Anthony Delisi
-----Original Message-----
From: TerminiImerese [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Maddi
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 4:43 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test

I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it the first
time in plain text.

Mike


________________________________
From: Michael Maddi <mtmaddi at yahoo.com>
To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org> 
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test



Tom,

I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA.
Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily

There are over 700 members in the project, including several members of this
list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in the project
with Sicilian paternal lines.

I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of those
haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results.

J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also Turks.
Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a higher
percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe.

R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages among
Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line which is R1a1
would probably have deep ancestry from north/northeastern Europe or the
Balkans.

Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily Project.

Mike Maddi




________________________________
From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" <tcorso at lecom.edu>
To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org> 
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM
Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test


Are there any TI members that have a good understanding
of the Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini????I just obtained some
information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is found in
only 4.5% of Sicilians.? I'm looking forward to a discussion with someone
knowledgeable. 

Tom


_______________________________________________
TerminiImerese mailing list
TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
? 

_______________________________________________
TerminiImerese mailing list
TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org




From lgted0430 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  5 04:33:42 2013
From: lgted0430 at yahoo.com (Larie Tedesco)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 18:33:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test
In-Reply-To: <BE86AF10CBC54917AA7B3DAD35AD021F@109anthny>
References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net><1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<BE86AF10CBC54917AA7B3DAD35AD021F@109anthny>
Message-ID: <1370396022.76536.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I took an Ancestry.com ?DNA test also at the end of last year.? Not one drop of Southern European unless it is in the 10% unknown.? I saved all the lists discussions for years?in case I would need them and when my email was compromised I closed my email (which I shouldn't have done).?
Thanks,
Larie Tedesco

From: Fr. Anthony Delisi <franthony at trappist.net>
To: 'Michael Maddi' <mtmaddi at yahoo.com>; terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org 
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test


Dear Mike,

I had my DNA tested last year.? I am not up to understanding what it is all
about.
Should I send a copy to you.

PAX. Fr. Anthony Delisi
-----Original Message-----
From: TerminiImerese [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Maddi
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 4:43 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test

I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it the first
time in plain text.

Mike


________________________________
From: Michael Maddi <mtmaddi at yahoo.com>
To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org> 
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test



Tom,

I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA.
Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily

There are over 700 members in the project, including several members of this
list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in the project
with Sicilian paternal lines.

I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of those
haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results.

J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also Turks.
Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a higher
percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe.

R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages among
Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line which is R1a1
would probably have deep ancestry from north/northeastern Europe or the
Balkans.

Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily Project.

Mike Maddi




________________________________
From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" <tcorso at lecom.edu>
To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org> 
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM
Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test


Are there any TI members that have a good understanding
of the Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini????I just obtained some
information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is found in
only 4.5% of Sicilians.? I'm looking forward to a discussion with someone
knowledgeable. 

Tom


_______________________________________________
TerminiImerese mailing list
TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org


_______________________________________________
TerminiImerese mailing list
TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org


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TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org? 



From bobam99 at insightbb.com  Sat Jun  8 21:58:09 2013
From: bobam99 at insightbb.com (Bobbye Gayle)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 14:58:09 -0400
Subject: [TI] Papania
References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net><1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<014901ce60ad$5876ea40$0964bec0$@sbcglobal.net>
	<BAY174-W2660ED81D2CD742993F932B89E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D33CB0440D0F4D709A950426D530667C@Amato>

I just read your message, I have researched my husband's Termini genealogy 
which is extensive.  His grandmother was a Papania from Termini who came to 
Lexington, KY  June 1906.  I have the documented arrival from Ellis Island. 
She was accompanied by her mother and 3 children.  Her husband and 2 
children were already here in Lexington..
bga
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
To: "Termini Imerese list 2" <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 10:12 PM
Subject: [TI] Papania


> Hi Lorri,
> Welcome to the list! Are your Papania ancestors from Termini Imerese? I 
> have Papania's on my tree through marriage. Michael Papania, b. 1887 in 
> Termini Imerese married Mayme Girolama Geraci b. 1890, who was my 1st 
> cousin once removed. They emigrated and lived in the Lockland, OH area. 
> Any connection?
>
> Corie
>
>
>
>> From: lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net
>> To: mtmaddi at yahoo.com; terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:54:45 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can you tell me more about the Sicily list? I am finding my maiden name
>> "Papania" in the list and I am new to genealogy.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lorri
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TerminiImerese [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] 
>> On
>> Behalf Of Michael Maddi
>> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 3:43 PM
>> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test
>>
>> I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it the 
>> first
>> time in plain text.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Michael Maddi <mtmaddi at yahoo.com>
>> To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" 
>> <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA.
>> Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily
>>
>> There are over 700 members in the project, including several members of 
>> this
>> list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in the project
>> with Sicilian paternal lines.
>>
>> I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of 
>> those
>> haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results.
>>
>> J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also 
>> Turks.
>> Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a higher
>> percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe.
>>
>> R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages 
>> among
>> Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line which is 
>> R1a1
>> would probably have deep ancestry from north/northeastern Europe or the
>> Balkans.
>>
>> Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily 
>> Project.
>>
>> Mike Maddi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" <tcorso at lecom.edu>
>> To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" 
>> <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM
>> Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test
>>
>>
>> Are there any TI members that have a good understanding
>> of the Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini? I just obtained some
>> information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is found in
>> only 4.5% of Sicilians. I'm looking forward to a discussion with someone
>> knowledgeable.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TerminiImerese mailing list
>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TerminiImerese mailing list
>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TerminiImerese mailing list
>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
> _______________________________________________
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> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org 




From lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jun  9 01:52:25 2013
From: lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net (Lorri)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 17:52:25 -0500
Subject: [TI] Papania
In-Reply-To: <D33CB0440D0F4D709A950426D530667C@Amato>
References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net><1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<014901ce60ad$5876ea40$0964bec0$@sbcglobal.net>	<BAY174-W2660ED81D2CD742993F932B89E0@phx.gbl>
	<D33CB0440D0F4D709A950426D530667C@Amato>
Message-ID: <0f9e01ce649a$d8d87a50$8a896ef0$@sbcglobal.net>

It seems my family is actually from Corleone. I am very new at this and
trying to sort it all out.

My great-grandfather Leo Luca (or sometimes written Leoluca or Leo Lucas)
Papania left Corleone, at 26 years of age, from Palermo arriving in New
Orleans, via Gibralter, on Nov. 4, 1886.

It seems that Corleone is not that far from Termini and both are in the
Province of Palermo. Wish I could hop on a plane and get over there!  I
don't know of any relatives we have outside of TX, LA, and MS.

Any thoughts?

Lorri

-----Original Message-----
From: TerminiImerese [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On
Behalf Of Bobbye Gayle
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 1:58 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] Papania

I just read your message, I have researched my husband's Termini genealogy
which is extensive.  His grandmother was a Papania from Termini who came to
Lexington, KY  June 1906.  I have the documented arrival from Ellis Island. 
She was accompanied by her mother and 3 children.  Her husband and 2
children were already here in Lexington..
bga
----- Original Message -----
From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
To: "Termini Imerese list 2" <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 10:12 PM
Subject: [TI] Papania


> Hi Lorri,
> Welcome to the list! Are your Papania ancestors from Termini Imerese? 
> I have Papania's on my tree through marriage. Michael Papania, b. 1887 
> in Termini Imerese married Mayme Girolama Geraci b. 1890, who was my 
> 1st cousin once removed. They emigrated and lived in the Lockland, OH
area.
> Any connection?
>
> Corie
>
>
>
>> From: lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net
>> To: mtmaddi at yahoo.com; terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:54:45 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can you tell me more about the Sicily list? I am finding my maiden 
>> name "Papania" in the list and I am new to genealogy.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lorri
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TerminiImerese 
>> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Michael Maddi
>> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 3:43 PM
>> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test
>>
>> I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it 
>> the first time in plain text.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Michael Maddi <mtmaddi at yahoo.com>
>> To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" 
>> <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA.
>> Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily
>>
>> There are over 700 members in the project, including several members 
>> of this list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in 
>> the project with Sicilian paternal lines.
>>
>> I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of 
>> those haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results.
>>
>> J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also 
>> Turks.
>> Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a 
>> higher percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe.
>>
>> R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages 
>> among Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line 
>> which is
>> R1a1
>> would probably have deep ancestry from north/northeastern Europe or 
>> the Balkans.
>>
>> Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily 
>> Project.
>>
>> Mike Maddi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" <tcorso at lecom.edu>
>> To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" 
>> <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM
>> Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test
>>
>>
>> Are there any TI members that have a good understanding of the 
>> Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini? I just obtained some 
>> information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is 
>> found in only 4.5% of Sicilians. I'm looking forward to a discussion 
>> with someone knowledgeable.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TerminiImerese mailing list
>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofit
>> aly.org
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofit
>> aly.org
>>
>>
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>> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofit
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From lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jun  9 01:53:47 2013
From: lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net (Lorri)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 17:53:47 -0500
Subject: [TI] Papania
In-Reply-To: <BAY174-W2660ED81D2CD742993F932B89E0@phx.gbl>
References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net>	<1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<014901ce60ad$5876ea40$0964bec0$@sbcglobal.net>
	<BAY174-W2660ED81D2CD742993F932B89E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0fa401ce649b$09f25cf0$1dd716d0$@sbcglobal.net>

Corie, I just wrote a reply to another person but it seems mine are from
Corleone.  Not sure of any connections.

Lorri

-----Original Message-----
From: TerminiImerese [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On
Behalf Of Corie Lindemann
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 9:12 PM
To: Termini Imerese list 2
Subject: [TI] Papania

Hi Lorri,
Welcome to the list! Are your Papania ancestors from Termini Imerese? I have
Papania's on my tree through marriage. Michael Papania, b. 1887 in Termini
Imerese married Mayme Girolama Geraci b. 1890, who was my 1st cousin once
removed. They emigrated and lived in the Lockland, OH area. Any connection? 

Corie 



> From: lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net
> To: mtmaddi at yahoo.com; terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:54:45 -0500
> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Can you tell me more about the Sicily list? I am finding my maiden 
> name "Papania" in the list and I am new to genealogy.
> 
> Thanks,
> Lorri
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TerminiImerese 
> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On Behalf Of 
> Michael Maddi
> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 3:43 PM
> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test
> 
> I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it the 
> first time in plain text.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Michael Maddi <mtmaddi at yahoo.com>
> To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" 
> <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test
> 
> 
> 
> Tom,
> 
> I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA.
> Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily
> 
> There are over 700 members in the project, including several members 
> of this list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in 
> the project with Sicilian paternal lines.
> 
> I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of 
> those haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results.
> 
> J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also
Turks.
> Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a 
> higher percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe.
> 
> R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages 
> among Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line 
> which is R1a1 would probably have deep ancestry from 
> north/northeastern Europe or the Balkans.
> 
> Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily Project.
> 
> Mike Maddi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" <tcorso at lecom.edu>
> To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" 
> <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM
> Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test
> 
> 
> Are there any TI members that have a good understanding of the 
> Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini? I just obtained some 
> information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is found 
> in only 4.5% of Sicilians. I'm looking forward to a discussion with 
> someone knowledgeable.
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TerminiImerese mailing list
> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofita
> ly.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofita
> ly.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From lgted0430 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  9 02:43:58 2013
From: lgted0430 at yahoo.com (Larie Tedesco)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 16:43:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TI] Papania
In-Reply-To: <0f9e01ce649a$d8d87a50$8a896ef0$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <5DC4E435CD1D7049BBC91952FF25488541E26537@MAILSERVER01.lecomintra.net><1370287339.93539.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<1370292201.71238.YahooMailNeo@web163604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<014901ce60ad$5876ea40$0964bec0$@sbcglobal.net>	<BAY174-W2660ED81D2CD742993F932B89E0@phx.gbl>
	<D33CB0440D0F4D709A950426D530667C@Amato>
	<0f9e01ce649a$d8d87a50$8a896ef0$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1370735038.15766.YahooMailNeo@web121704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Lorri,

??? We are connected to the Papania's in Corleone.? They live in St. Bernard Parish, LA.? Two Tedesco's from Termini married 2 Papania's from Termini.? Then one of the descendants my grandfather's brother Saverio married a Papania who's family is from Corleone.? I believe they are related to Leo Luca.? I have paperwork I will have to look up but the little information in my tree is on Rosolino Papania 1872-1952 son of Calogero Papania and Katherine Ferrera.? Rosolino was married to Leoliechina (Laura) Dimiceli died October, 1939.? I am also was in contact with a person who is related to Leo Luca and works on the Papania family tree from Corleone.? If you would send me your email address and I will see if I can contact her.? 
Larie Tedesco


________________________________
From: Lorri <lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net>
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Papania


It seems my family is actually from Corleone. I am very new at this and
trying to sort it all out.

My great-grandfather Leo Luca (or sometimes written Leoluca or Leo Lucas)
Papania left Corleone, at 26 years of age, from Palermo arriving in New
Orleans, via Gibralter, on Nov. 4, 1886.

It seems that Corleone is not that far from Termini and both are in the
Province of Palermo. Wish I could hop on a plane and get over there!? I
don't know of any relatives we have outside of TX, LA, and MS.

Any thoughts?

Lorri

-----Original Message-----
From: TerminiImerese [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org] On
Behalf Of Bobbye Gayle
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 1:58 PM
To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
Subject: Re: [TI] Papania

I just read your message, I have researched my husband's Termini genealogy
which is extensive.? His grandmother was a Papania from Termini who came to
Lexington, KY? June 1906.? I have the documented arrival from Ellis Island. 
She was accompanied by her mother and 3 children.? Her husband and 2
children were already here in Lexington..
bga
----- Original Message -----
From: "Corie Lindemann" <corielind at msn.com>
To: "Termini Imerese list 2" <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 10:12 PM
Subject: [TI] Papania


> Hi Lorri,
> Welcome to the list! Are your Papania ancestors from Termini Imerese? 
> I have Papania's on my tree through marriage. Michael Papania, b. 1887 
> in Termini Imerese married Mayme Girolama Geraci b. 1890, who was my 
> 1st cousin once removed. They emigrated and lived in the Lockland, OH
area.
> Any connection?
>
> Corie
>
>
>
>> From: lpmccallum at sbcglobal.net
>> To: mtmaddi at yahoo.com; terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 17:54:45 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can you tell me more about the Sicily list? I am finding my maiden 
>> name "Papania" in the list and I am new to genealogy.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lorri
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TerminiImerese 
>> [mailto:terminiimerese-bounces at comunesofitaly.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Michael Maddi
>> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 3:43 PM
>> To: terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test
>>
>> I have to resend my reply to Tom below because I forgot to send it 
>> the first time in plain text.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Michael Maddi <mtmaddi at yahoo.com>
>> To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" 
>> <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TI] Y-chromosome test
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> I'm the volunteer administrator of the Sicily Project at Family Tree DNA.
>> Our website is at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sicily
>>
>> There are over 700 members in the project, including several members 
>> of this list. We have y chromosome (yDNA) test results for 400 men in 
>> the project with Sicilian paternal lines.
>>
>> I'm guessing that your haplogroup is J1 or R1a1 of some sort. Each of 
>> those haplogroups represent about 4.5% of the project's yDNA results.
>>
>> J1 occurs mainly among Near Eastern men, both Jews and Arabs and also 
>> Turks.
>> Sicily, given its historical connections to the Near East, has a 
>> higher percentage of J1 than the rest of Europe.
>>
>> R1a1 occurs in Scandinavia and among Slavs, with smaller percentages 
>> among Germans and Greeks. So, someone with a Sicilian paternal line 
>> which is
>> R1a1
>> would probably have deep ancestry from north/northeastern Europe or 
>> the Balkans.
>>
>> Have you tested at Family Tree DNA? If so, please join the Sicily 
>> Project.
>>
>> Mike Maddi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Thomas Corso, PhD" <tcorso at lecom.edu>
>> To: "terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org" 
>> <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 1:33 PM
>> Subject: [TI] Y-chromosome test
>>
>>
>> Are there any TI members that have a good understanding of the 
>> Y-chromosome haplotypes found in Termini? I just obtained some 
>> information showing that our family line has a haplotype that is 
>> found in only 4.5% of Sicilians. I'm looking forward to a discussion 
>> with someone knowledgeable.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TerminiImerese mailing list
>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofit
>> aly.org
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TerminiImerese mailing list
>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofit
>> aly.org
>>
>>
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>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofit
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Mon Jun 17 13:04:38 2013
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:04:38 -0500
Subject: [TI] Fwd: Re: SD Reunion Update - Hotel Information
In-Reply-To: <20130617032116.7PA4F.74978.root@cdptpa-web27-z01>
References: <20130617032116.7PA4F.74978.root@cdptpa-web27-z01>
Message-ID: <51BEDF36.7020601@madisontelco.com>



I will get this information on the website hopefully tonight.  But you 
can go ahead and book your rooms now.

Forwarded Message:  Hi Laura, Jeanette and I each checked out Old Town 
Inn in San Diego, and decided this is the best place for everyone to stay.
http://www.oldtown-inn.com/
They don't book blocks of 5 or more rooms without a contract, nor do 
they provide a discount for groups. Having said that, their rates are 
very competitive and quite affordable. I know that several of those 
attending like to share rooms. For them, we recommend the Economy Room 
with 2 Full Size Beds (only 2 guests allowed in these rooms), which is 
$74.86 for weeknights and $79.86 for weekend nights, plus 12.5% city 
tax. A deluxe room with two queen beds (up to 4 guests allowed in these 
rooms is $84.86 weeknights and $89.96 weekend nights, plus 12.5% city 
tax. The deluxe room with one queen bed is about $10 a night higher 
because it has a frig. I just spoke with Cecily there and she said that 
although they won't block rooms for us, and won't take a group name, the 
availability at this point is great. Not a lot of rooms booked this far 
ahead. Andy and I actually visited the hotel and were able to look at 
both of these rooms and they're really nice! Jeanette also emailed the 
hotel and got the same rates from Laura there. The hotel is in a more 
industrial area, but it's only about 2 blocks from the Old Town trolley 
station, and right on the edge of Old Town San Diego. We'll be using the 
trolley for primary transportation. The cost is $5 a day, after the 
purchase of a $2 Compass Card (they don't take cash anymore). We'll 
email with more plans soon.... Nancy ----




From comella.f3104 at comcast.net  Thu Jun 20 19:47:57 2013
From: comella.f3104 at comcast.net (Francis Comella)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:47:57 -0500
Subject: [TI] Italian Foundling
Message-ID: <1386941D-B2E7-4D3B-A2DF-FA67179778BF@comcast.net>

Many of you no doubt have foundlings in your family tree. My interest in this subject lead me to a book entitled "Sacrificed for Honor" by David Kertzer. I found it to be fascinating reading and very informative and I would recommend it even to those without foundlings in their family. It provides insights into the political and social environment that I found helpful in understanding 19th century Sicily and is readily available in hardback or paperback.


Frank Comella
comella.f3104 at comcast.net






From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Fri Jun 21 01:25:10 2013
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:25:10 -0500
Subject: [TI] Italian Foundling
In-Reply-To: <1386941D-B2E7-4D3B-A2DF-FA67179778BF@comcast.net>
References: <1386941D-B2E7-4D3B-A2DF-FA67179778BF@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <51C38146.6060003@madisontelco.com>

I agree.  The book is very good.  I read the book BEFORE we went to 
Italy in 2006.  When we were in Cardano al Campo and I was working on 
the research for my mother's Italian side, one of her greatx3 
grandmothers was a foundling.  The document tells that she was born in 
the Milano foundling home and that her mother was someone who could not 
afford to keep her child.  The mother refused to be named and refused to 
identify the father and all of this is notated on the document.  This 
birth document was found in the records for the marriage of the 
foundling.  It made the book more important and useful when I learned of 
this foundling birth

On 6/20/2013 11:47 AM, Francis Comella wrote:
> Many of you no doubt have foundlings in your family tree. My interest in this subject lead me to a book entitled "Sacrificed for Honor" by David Kertzer. I found it to be fascinating reading and very informative and I would recommend it even to those without foundlings in their family. It provides insights into the political and social environment that I found helpful in understanding 19th century Sicily and is readily available in hardback or paperback.
>
>
> Frank Comella
> comella.f3104 at comcast.net
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From anniegoe at verizon.net  Fri Jun 21 21:44:25 2013
From: anniegoe at verizon.net (anna riggio)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:44:25 -0400
Subject: [TI] Italian Foundling
References: <1386941D-B2E7-4D3B-A2DF-FA67179778BF@comcast.net>
	<51C38146.6060003@madisontelco.com>
Message-ID: <415F83F3E9BF45B2AD5B1E840D2A8E69@DJZBSK81>

Where can you get the book?  Carnegie Library said they never had it in 
their system!  I would like to read it.
Ann Riggio
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laura Johnson" <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TI] Italian Foundling


>I agree.  The book is very good.  I read the book BEFORE we went to 
>Italy in 2006.  When we were in Cardano al Campo and I was working on 
>the research for my mother's Italian side, one of her greatx3 
>grandmothers was a foundling.  The document tells that she was born in 
>the Milano foundling home and that her mother was someone who could not 
>afford to keep her child.  The mother refused to be named and refused 
>to identify the father and all of this is notated on the document. 
>This birth document was found in the records for the marriage of the 
>foundling.  It made the book more important and useful when I learned 
>of this foundling birth
>
> On 6/20/2013 11:47 AM, Francis Comella wrote:
>> Many of you no doubt have foundlings in your family tree. My interest 
>> in this subject lead me to a book entitled "Sacrificed for Honor" by 
>> David Kertzer. I found it to be fascinating reading and very 
>> informative and I would recommend it even to those without foundlings 
>> in their family. It provides insights into the political and social 
>> environment that I found helpful in understanding 19th century Sicily 
>> and is readily available in hardback or paperback.
>>
>>
>> Frank Comella
>> comella.f3104 at comcast.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org
>>
>>
>
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From bcaito820 at aol.com  Sat Jun 22 00:48:03 2013
From: bcaito820 at aol.com (Brigitt)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:48:03 -0400
Subject: [TI] Italian Foundling
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I found it at the local library here in Indianapolis.

Brigitt Caito

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On Jun 21, 2013, at 2:44 PM, "anna riggio" <anniegoe at verizon.net> wrote:

> Where can you get the book?  Carnegie Library said they never had it in their system!  I would like to read it.
> Ann Riggio
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Johnson" <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] Italian Foundling
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> 
>> I agree.  The book is very good.  I read the book BEFORE we went to Italy in 2006.  When we were in Cardano al Campo and I was working on the research for my mother's Italian side, one of her greatx3 grandmothers was a foundling.  The document tells that she was born in the Milano foundling home and that her mother was someone who could not afford to keep her child.  The mother refused to be named and refused to identify the father and all of this is notated on the document. This birth document was found in the records for the marriage of the foundling.  It made the book more important and useful when I learned of this foundling birth
>> 
>> On 6/20/2013 11:47 AM, Francis Comella wrote:
>>> Many of you no doubt have foundlings in your family tree. My interest in this subject lead me to a book entitled "Sacrificed for Honor" by David Kertzer. I found it to be fascinating reading and very informative and I would recommend it even to those without foundlings in their family. It provides insights into the political and social environment that I found helpful in understanding 19th century Sicily and is readily available in hardback or paperback.
>>> 
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From rngade57 at madisontelco.com  Sat Jun 22 01:02:39 2013
From: rngade57 at madisontelco.com (Laura Johnson)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:02:39 -0500
Subject: [TI] Italian Foundling
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I got my copy on Amazon.com

On 6/21/2013 1:44 PM, anna riggio wrote:
> Where can you get the book?  Carnegie Library said they never had it 
> in their system!  I would like to read it.
> Ann Riggio
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Johnson" 
> <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [TI] Italian Foundling
>
>
>> I agree.  The book is very good.  I read the book BEFORE we went to 
>> Italy in 2006.  When we were in Cardano al Campo and I was working on 
>> the research for my mother's Italian side, one of her greatx3 
>> grandmothers was a foundling.  The document tells that she was born 
>> in the Milano foundling home and that her mother was someone who 
>> could not afford to keep her child.  The mother refused to be named 
>> and refused to identify the father and all of this is notated on the 
>> document. This birth document was found in the records for the 
>> marriage of the foundling.  It made the book more important and 
>> useful when I learned of this foundling birth
>>
>> On 6/20/2013 11:47 AM, Francis Comella wrote:
>>> Many of you no doubt have foundlings in your family tree. My 
>>> interest in this subject lead me to a book entitled "Sacrificed for 
>>> Honor" by David Kertzer. I found it to be fascinating reading and 
>>> very informative and I would recommend it even to those without 
>>> foundlings in their family. It provides insights into the political 
>>> and social environment that I found helpful in understanding 19th 
>>> century Sicily and is readily available in hardback or paperback.
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank Comella
>>> comella.f3104 at comcast.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> TerminiImerese mailing list
>>> TerminiImerese at comunesofitaly.org
>>> http://comunesofitaly.org/mailman/listinfo/terminiimerese_comunesofitaly.org 
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From comella.f3104 at comcast.net  Sat Jun 22 01:38:01 2013
From: comella.f3104 at comcast.net (Francis Comella)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:38:01 -0500
Subject: [TI] Italian Foundling
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I also got my copy on Amazon. Very reasonably priced especially in paperback.
Frank Comella
comella.f3104 at comcast.net



On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Laura Johnson <rngade57 at madisontelco.com> wrote:

> I got my copy on Amazon.com
> 
> On 6/21/2013 1:44 PM, anna riggio wrote:
>> Where can you get the book?  Carnegie Library said they never had it in their system!  I would like to read it.
>> Ann Riggio
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Johnson" <rngade57 at madisontelco.com>
>> To: <terminiimerese at comunesofitaly.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TI] Italian Foundling
>> 
>> 
>>> I agree.  The book is very good.  I read the book BEFORE we went to Italy in 2006.  When we were in Cardano al Campo and I was working on the research for my mother's Italian side, one of her greatx3 grandmothers was a foundling.  The document tells that she was born in the Milano foundling home and that her mother was someone who could not afford to keep her child.  The mother refused to be named and refused to identify the father and all of this is notated on the document. This birth document was found in the records for the marriage of the foundling.  It made the book more important and useful when I learned of this foundling birth
>>> 
>>> On 6/20/2013 11:47 AM, Francis Comella wrote:
>>>> Many of you no doubt have foundlings in your family tree. My interest in this subject lead me to a book entitled "Sacrificed for Honor" by David Kertzer. I found it to be fascinating reading and very informative and I would recommend it even to those without foundlings in their family. It provides insights into the political and social environment that I found helpful in understanding 19th century Sicily and is readily available in hardback or paperback.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Frank Comella
>>>> comella.f3104 at comcast.net
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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